Hi,

Following on from a thread I started earlier about a couple of days work 
I've been offered.

It just struck me.

If I sign off today and back on again next week, I'll better off than if I 
declare the 16 hours work.   

I think I'm right in saying, I will get benefit up untill today (the day I 
singed off).  

On the other hand, if I declare the work next week when I go into sign, I'd 
have lost a whole week of benefit due to my earning. 

Do I have that right?


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tdh270 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Following on from a thread I started earlier about a couple of days work 
> I've been offered.
> 
> It just struck me.
> 
> If I sign off today and back on again next week, I'll better off than if I 
> declare the 16 hours work.   
> 
> I think I'm right in saying, I will get benefit up untill today (the day I 
> singed off).  
> 
> On the other hand, if I declare the work next week when I go into sign, I'd 
> have lost a whole week of benefit due to my earning. 
> 
> Do I have that right?
> 
> 


it won't make any difference to be honest as benefit is paid in arrears 
- so when you sign back on, say next Thursday, the next benefit payment 
you receive will only cover the period from either next Thursday or 3 
days later (I'm not 100% sure if the 3 day waiting rule will apply). You 
won't receive any money from after today until a fortnight or so later 
and then only money for about 1 week.

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Robbie  wrote in
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> tdh270 wrote:
> 
> it won't make any difference to be honest as benefit is paid in
> arrears - 

I signed off today, filled in the form, made today my last claim day - I 
reckon I should get my payment next week as the claim is now ended.  

I work tomorrow and Friday.

I'll sign back on Monday next week - or more correctly make a new claim 
Monday.

Not sure about the 3 day rule  either - my new claim would be a rapid 
reclaim.


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tdh270 wrote:
> Robbie  wrote in
> news:5r5fj8F1361tsU1@mid.individual.net: 
> 
>> tdh270 wrote:
>>
>> it won't make any difference to be honest as benefit is paid in
>> arrears - 
> 
> I signed off today, filled in the form, made today my last claim day - I 
> reckon I should get my payment next week as the claim is now ended.  
> 
> I work tomorrow and Friday.
> 
> I'll sign back on Monday next week - or more correctly make a new claim 
> Monday.
> 
> Not sure about the 3 day rule  either - my new claim would be a rapid 
> reclaim.
> 
> 

Can you backdate your new claim to Saturday? As JSA is now a 7 day 
benefit, you are technically unemployed on Saturday and Sunday too...

I don't know how the 3 day rule works in relation to short periods of 
employment. It seems a bit of an outdated thing now anyway, it was 
introduced decades ago to stop people claiming unemployment benefit / 
means tested equivalents in the days when people left one job on a 
Friday and started a new one on a Monday, meaning they couldn't claim UB 
for a Saturday and its means tested equivalent for both days of the weekend.

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Robbie  wrote in
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> Can you backdate your new claim to Saturday? 

That is a good point - I suspect it will have to be Monday, the day I make 
first contact.

I did a rapid reclaim recently - can't remember to be honest whether the 3 
day rule was in operation or not - I didn't think it was, but I'm not sure.

I read something about them changing the 16 hours rule to allow you to earn 
more and still claim.  

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:02:07 +0000, tdh270 wrote:

> Robbie  wrote in
> news:5r5u60F12rfqtU1@mid.individual.net:
> 
>> Can you backdate your new claim to Saturday?
> 
> That is a good point - I suspect it will have to be Monday, the day I
> make first contact.
> 
> I did a rapid reclaim recently - can't remember to be honest whether the
> 3 day rule was in operation or not - I didn't think it was, but I'm not
> sure.
> 
> I read something about them changing the 16 hours rule to allow you to
> earn more and still claim.

If it's just a one-off, you may have been able to say as such. and so 
avoiding the sign-off sign-on palaver, rapid reclaims non-withstanding. I 
don't think you'd be able to back-claim to Saturday unless things have 
changed recently. I finished a job on a Friday a few months back, had an 
interview somewhere else (out of local area) on the Monday, but was not 
even able to back-claim for then going in first thing on the Tuesday 
morning.

S

SJB  wrote in news:pan.2007.11.29.11.06.36@yahoo.com:

> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:02:07 +0000, tdh270 wrote:
> non-withstanding. I don't think you'd be able to back-claim to
> Saturday unless things have changed recently. 

I think you're right, I don't think I can claim for Saturday.

I think it's the day you make initial contact to make the claim that is 
crucial.  Having said that - it an 0800 call now - the JPC's web site says 
Monday to Friday.

I may have some work again next week, but then again I may not, so I'll 
have to put a banker in and phone DWP

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"tdh270" <thedeerhunter270@gmail.com.remove> wrote in message 
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> SJB  wrote in news:pan.2007.11.29.11.06.36@yahoo.com:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:02:07 +0000, tdh270 wrote:
>> non-withstanding. I don't think you'd be able to back-claim to
>> Saturday unless things have changed recently.
>
> I think you're right, I don't think I can claim for Saturday.
>
> I think it's the day you make initial contact to make the claim that is
> crucial.  Having said that - it an 0800 call now - the JPC's web site says
> Monday to Friday.
>
> I may have some work again next week, but then again I may not, so I'll
> have to put a banker in and phone DWP
>
If you re-sign within 12 weeks of your previous JSA claim ending, you won't 
have to serve your 3 waiting days again. You could also request for your 
claim to go from Saturday - it is technically your first day of 
unemployment. If they ask the reason why you want your claim backdating, 
tell them you couldn't contact them as it was a weekend and they don't open 
on Saturdays and Monday is/was your first day you could contact them to 
reclaim. At the very least they should award you with National Insurance 
Credits for your backdating period. You never know, you may get your JSA 
awarded from Saturday.

"Netty"  wrote in news:fj1pou$qpu$1@aioe.org:

> If you re-sign within 12 weeks of your previous JSA claim ending, you
> won't have to serve your 3 waiting days again. 

I wasn't sure or not if the three day rule was in place for re-claims - 
thanks for clearing that up.

I didn't back date my claim to Saturday in the end - but I think next time 
I will.

I phoned up the 0800 number to reclaim, I got an interview the same day 
about 4 hours later - I was quite impressed to be honest, first time I've 
thought of DWP of being efficient.

I may be offered the two days work again this week.  I can't make my mind 
up whether to take it or not - I'll only make 30 quid more than my JSA, and 
when you take into account travelling expenses, is it worth it?


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