On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:58:43 -0000, "Niteawk" 
wrote:


>Yes, the same good old nanny state that got rid of affordable housing and 
>sold control of our utilities to forigners, privatised everything and told 
>us by creating competition it would bring the cost of living down, all lies 
>of course.
>
>You are meeting people who would rather be on benefits because it is an 
>affordable way to live without the risk of being made homeless. Nobody wants 
>a job that will leave them struggling to pay rent with an altrenative to 
>claim help with housing costs. Thats a definite no, people on the dole cant 
>afford to be in debt.
>

Rents are too high! The rent officer says a fair rent for my street is
85 a week. Council charges 75. Private landlords charge 135 and 150
...

If rents were fixed then landlords wouldn't buy houses so overpriced
and non-landlords would be able to buy a house and live in it.
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"Mogga"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:58:43 -0000, "Niteawk" 
> wrote:
>
>
>>Yes, the same good old nanny state that got rid of affordable housing and
>>sold control of our utilities to forigners, privatised everything and told
>>us by creating competition it would bring the cost of living down, all 
>>lies
>>of course.
>>
>>You are meeting people who would rather be on benefits because it is an
>>affordable way to live without the risk of being made homeless. Nobody 
>>wants
>>a job that will leave them struggling to pay rent with an altrenative to
>>claim help with housing costs. Thats a definite no, people on the dole 
>>cant
>>afford to be in debt.
>>
>
> Rents are too high! The rent officer says a fair rent for my street is
> 85 a week. Council charges 75. Private landlords charge 135 and 150

Rents are not that high, they are in line with the cost of living, 
considering what it costs a private landlord in mortgage payments.
The council may well charge £75 pw, but then its property is provided free 
courtesy of the tax payer anyway.
The problem is, councils are moving out of the lettings market and giving 
away their remaining housing stock free to housing trusts which charge about 
the same in rent as a private LL. The government must allow councils to 
start building to provide affordable properties for rent or more and more 
people are going to stay unemployed.


Council houses should never have been sold off in the first place, this is 
why we have so many people on the dole, no one is going to work in a low 
paid job an pay £135 pw rent. Its not happening, even councils charging £75 
pw is to much for a NMW job that pays £220 pw. How much is left after tax, 
NI, council tax, travelling costs are deducted, then knock £75 quid off that 
lot, you aint left with much.




> ...
>
> If rents were fixed then landlords wouldn't buy houses so overpriced
> and non-landlords would be able to buy a house and live in it.
>

There is always the private market, most landlords do not let property to 
unemployed people so they will still buy to let.

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> Rents are too high! The rent officer says a fair rent for my street is
> 85 a week. Council charges 75. Private landlords charge 135 and 150

I agree about rents.  What's happening now is that people are creating 
*tiny* one bed flats, which could only fit one person.  A couple could not 
reasonably be expected to live there.  But these tiny flats push down the 
guide price for property, so now couples cannot find a single bed flat 
large enough to fit them anywhere near the guide price.

There's some flexability to pay more than the guide price, in some 
circumstances.  But god forbid any couple who get a tiny flat that includes 
a cupboard large enough to be called an extra room - they'll get hammered.  
Sometimes their joint claim will end up being paid at *less* then either 
individual was claiming before they got together.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:50:18 -0000, "Niteawk" 
wrote:

>
>"Mogga"  wrote in message 
>news:lk99i313u9qkoah3gn1q2t4drhmiv35lj2@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:58:43 -0000, "Niteawk" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yes, the same good old nanny state that got rid of affordable housing and
>>>sold control of our utilities to forigners, privatised everything and told
>>>us by creating competition it would bring the cost of living down, all 
>>>lies
>>>of course.
>>>
>>>You are meeting people who would rather be on benefits because it is an
>>>affordable way to live without the risk of being made homeless. Nobody 
>>>wants
>>>a job that will leave them struggling to pay rent with an altrenative to
>>>claim help with housing costs. Thats a definite no, people on the dole 
>>>cant
>>>afford to be in debt.
>>>
>>
>> Rents are too high! The rent officer says a fair rent for my street is
>> 85 a week. Council charges 75. Private landlords charge 135 and 150
>
>Rents are not that high, they are in line with the cost of living, 
>considering what it costs a private landlord in mortgage payments.

But if rents were fixed house prices would have to be lower (Negative
equity might hurt some people like it did during the last housing
crash) 
Is it right that people can make huge sums of money from basic
provision of services like housing, water, fuel?

The last 7 properties sold on my street have been "snapped" up by 3
different private landlords.


>The council may well charge £75 pw, but then its property is provided free 
>courtesy of the tax payer anyway.
>The problem is, councils are moving out of the lettings market and giving 
>away their remaining housing stock free to housing trusts which charge about 
>the same in rent as a private LL. The government must allow councils to 
>start building to provide affordable properties for rent or more and more 
>people are going to stay unemployed.
>


But what is affordable? Until recently mortgage lenders lent 3X salary
for a property and this was enough. Now people are having to borrow 7X
for an average price property. Given the US credit crunch it's likely
that the house of cards will tumble. 


>
>Council houses should never have been sold off in the first place, this is 
>why we have so many people on the dole, no one is going to work in a low 
>paid job an pay £135 pw rent. Its not happening, even councils charging £75 
>pw is to much for a NMW job that pays £220 pw. How much is left after tax, 
>NI, council tax, travelling costs are deducted, then knock £75 quid off that 
>lot, you aint left with much.
>

Tax credits. Which are propping up poorly paid, short hour jobs.
Benefiting employers greatly.


>
>
>
>> ...
>>
>> If rents were fixed then landlords wouldn't buy houses so overpriced
>> and non-landlords would be able to buy a house and live in it.
>>
>
>There is always the private market, most landlords do not let property to 
>unemployed people so they will still buy to let. 
>

I believe some private flats in one city are being used by the LA for
housing homeless people. This isn't social housing on the cheap by any
means. 
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"Mogga"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:50:18 -0000, "Niteawk" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mogga"  wrote in message
>>news:lk99i313u9qkoah3gn1q2t4drhmiv35lj2@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:58:43 -0000, "Niteawk" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yes, the same good old nanny state that got rid of affordable housing 
>>>>and
>>>>sold control of our utilities to forigners, privatised everything and 
>>>>told
>>>>us by creating competition it would bring the cost of living down, all
>>>>lies
>>>>of course.
>>>>
>>>>You are meeting people who would rather be on benefits because it is an
>>>>affordable way to live without the risk of being made homeless. Nobody
>>>>wants
>>>>a job that will leave them struggling to pay rent with an altrenative to
>>>>claim help with housing costs. Thats a definite no, people on the dole
>>>>cant
>>>>afford to be in debt.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rents are too high! The rent officer says a fair rent for my street is
>>> 85 a week. Council charges 75. Private landlords charge 135 and 150
>>
>>Rents are not that high, they are in line with the cost of living,
>>considering what it costs a private landlord in mortgage payments.
>
> But if rents were fixed house prices would have to be lower (Negative
> equity might hurt some people like it did during the last housing
> crash)
> Is it right that people can make huge sums of money from basic
> provision of services like housing, water, fuel?

The govt is never going to fix rents, how can they.



>
> The last 7 properties sold on my street have been "snapped" up by 3
> different private landlords.

And this trend will continue while the govt and LA's stand back and do 
nothing, as the homeless toll rises, civil war could break out in this 
country.



>
>
>>The council may well charge £75 pw, but then its property is provided free
>>courtesy of the tax payer anyway.
>>The problem is, councils are moving out of the lettings market and giving
>>away their remaining housing stock free to housing trusts which charge 
>>about
>>the same in rent as a private LL. The government must allow councils to
>>start building to provide affordable properties for rent or more and more
>>people are going to stay unemployed.
>>
>
>
> But what is affordable? Until recently mortgage lenders lent 3X salary
> for a property and this was enough. Now people are having to borrow 7X
> for an average price property. Given the US credit crunch it's likely
> that the house of cards will tumble.
>
>

Affordable as in to pay rent for minimum wage earners, thats what I am 
talking about. I dont give a damn what the private sector charges.



> Tax credits. Which are propping up poorly paid, short hour jobs.
> Benefiting employers greatly.
>

Which cant be relied on, over payments are common leaving people in shit 
when they have to repay.


>
> I believe some private flats in one city are being used by the LA for
> housing homeless people. This isn't social housing on the cheap by any
> means.


A housing trust was set up by councillors in my area to house single 
homeless people, because it was a trust run by councillors they had no 
problem getting the extortionet rents paid by the LA.

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On 29 Oct, 18:06, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> "Mogga"  wrote in message
>
> news:5m0ci35n61leopuhfsisdspgilbt2pikij@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:50:18 -0000, "Niteawk" 
> > wrote:
>
> >>"Mogga"  wrote in message
> >>news:lk99i313u9qkoah3gn1q2t4drhmiv35lj2@4ax.com...
> >>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:58:43 -0000, "Niteawk" 
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>>Yes, the same good old nanny state that got rid of affordable housing
> >>>>and
> >>>>sold control of our utilities to forigners, privatised everything and
> >>>>told
> >>>>us by creating competition it would bring the cost of living down, all
> >>>>lies
> >>>>of course.
>
> >>>>You are meeting people who would rather be on benefits because it is 
> >>>>an
> >>>>affordable way to live without the risk of being made homeless. Nobody
> >>>>wants
> >>>>a job that will leave them struggling to pay rent with an altrenative 
> >>>>to
> >>>>claim help with housing costs. Thats a definite no, people on the dole
> >>>>cant
> >>>>afford to be in debt.
>
> >>> Rents are too high! The rent officer says a fair rent for my street is
> >>> 85 a week. Council charges 75. Private landlords charge 135 and 150
>
> >>Rents are not that high, they are in line with the cost of living,
> >>considering what it costs a private landlord in mortgage payments.
>
> > But if rents were fixed house prices would have to be lower (Negative
> > equity might hurt some people like it did during the last housing
> > crash)
> > Is it right that people can make huge sums of money from basic
> > provision of services like housing, water, fuel?
>
> The govt is never going to fix rents, how can they.
>
>
>
> > The last 7 properties sold on my street have been "snapped" up by 3
> > different private landlords.
>
> And this trend will continue while the govt and LA's stand back and do
> nothing, as the homeless toll rises, civil war could break out in this
> country.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>The council may well charge £75 pw, but then its property is provided 
> >>free
> >>courtesy of the tax payer anyway.
> >>The problem is, councils are moving out of the lettings market and 
> >>giving
> >>away their remaining housing stock free to housing trusts which charge
> >>about
> >>the same in rent as a private LL. The government must allow councils to
> >>start building to provide affordable properties for rent or more and 
> >>more
> >>people are going to stay unemployed.
>
> > But what is affordable? Until recently mortgage lenders lent 3X salary
> > for a property and this was enough. Now people are having to borrow 7X
> > for an average price property. Given the US credit crunch it's likely
> > that the house of cards will tumble.
>
> Affordable as in to pay rent for minimum wage earners, thats what I am
> talking about. I dont give a damn what the private sector charges.
>
> > Tax credits. Which are propping up poorly paid, short hour jobs.
> > Benefiting employers greatly.
>
> Which cant be relied on, over payments are common leaving people in shit
> when they have to repay.
>
>
>
> > I believe some private flats in one city are being used by the LA for
> > housing homeless people. This isn't social housing on the cheap by any
> > means.
>
> A housing trust was set up by councillors in my area to house single
> homeless people, because it was a trust run by councillors they had no
> problem getting the extortionet rents paid by the LA.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>


>I'm pretty sure civil war won't break out.

That was a bit stong, perhaps a bit of rioting here and there.





>Housing trusts can work out well. But don't your councillors have to
>declare an interest when it comes time to vote?

I dont know TBH, our councillors are business people with shops, factories 
etc. Fingers in every pie. Who's to say what they get up to if nobody 
attends the meetings, I never have ;)


>Our local press tends to be all over councillors who get things wrong
>(and boy can they get things wrong).

Now and again ours hit the headlines for silly things like voting themselves 
more expenses, free internet etc. Their main aim is to make sure no business 
is going to set up in competition with them.