I know a 13 year old girl, vaguely.

She recently turned 13. She gave birth at home 4 months and 2 weeks
ago to a baby girl. I said she needs to tell social services.. but she
said she doesn't want to.

If social services find out, what will they do? From what I hear the
baby is being taken care of... but I really don't know enough to
confirm this. She lives in Birmingham.

Please don't patronise me, I know very well the severity of the
situation. At this point I just need reliable information.

Thank you.

> She recently turned 13. She gave birth at home 4 months and 2 weeks
> ago to a baby girl. I said she needs to tell social services.. but she
> said she doesn't want to.

IANAL etc.

Don't give her the option - just do it - or notify the police 
anonymously and let them initiate the SS checks !

The birth may not have been registered, the new mother might need 
medical treatment etc.

Where's this kids' mother in all this ? - she won't be living on her 
own at 13...

On 16 Sep, 19:18, 32andtwentyseven 
wrote:
> I know a 13 year old girl, vaguely.
>
> She recently turned 13. She gave birth at home 4 months and 2 weeks
> ago to a baby girl. I said she needs to tell social services.. but she
> said she doesn't want to.
>
> If social services find out, what will they do? From what I hear the
> baby is being taken care of... but I really don't know enough to
> confirm this. She lives in Birmingham.
>
> Please don't patronise me, I know very well the severity of the
> situation. At this point I just need reliable information.
>
> Thank you.

Does her view count for something? Or can the family not cope?
Social services can do more harm than good. Not always - but they can
make a problem much worse.

Might be worth getting to know her better, provide a friendly ear for
the mother.

Martin  <><

On 16 Sep, 19:52, Colin Wilson
 wrote:
> > She recently turned 13. She gave birth at home 4 months and 2 weeks
> > ago to a baby girl. I said she needs to tell social services.. but she
> > said she doesn't want to.
>
> IANAL etc.
>
> Don't give her the option - just do it - or notify the police
> anonymously and let them initiate the SS checks !
>
> The birth may not have been registered, the new mother might need
> medical treatment etc.
>
> Where's this kids' mother in all this ? - she won't be living on her
> own at 13...

The older mother is boarding on abusive in that she neglects both her
daughters, although she was present when the kid gave birth.

The 13 year old, who I will call Katie has also developed a crack
habit which begun 6 months ago. She sleeps with a 19 year old male,
who supplies her. He is not the father of the baby though.

I talk to her on the phone. Really all I am is a friendly ear. I wish
I could do more but at the moment I am just gaining her trust.

On 17 Sep, 14:52, "mart2...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
> On 16 Sep, 19:18, 32andtwentyseven 
> wrote:
>
> > I know a 13 year old girl, vaguely.
>
> > She recently turned 13. She gave birth at home 4 months and 2 weeks
> > ago to a baby girl. I said she needs to tell social services.. but she
> > said she doesn't want to.
>
> > If social services find out, what will they do? From what I hear the
> > baby is being taken care of... but I really don't know enough to
> > confirm this. She lives in Birmingham.
>
> > Please don't patronise me, I know very well the severity of the
> > situation. At this point I just need reliable information.
>
> > Thank you.
>
> Does her view count for something? Or can the family not cope?
> Social services can do more harm than good. Not always - but they can
> make a problem much worse.
>
> Might be worth getting to know her better, provide a friendly ear for
> the mother.
>

I don't plan to tell social services until I understand the situation
better.

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:38:28 -0700, 32andtwentyseven
 wrote:

>On 17 Sep, 14:52, "mart2...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
>> On 16 Sep, 19:18, 32andtwentyseven 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I know a 13 year old girl, vaguely.
>>
>> > She recently turned 13. She gave birth at home 4 months and 2 weeks
>> > ago to a baby girl. I said she needs to tell social services.. but she
>> > said she doesn't want to.
>>
>> > If social services find out, what will they do? From what I hear the
>> > baby is being taken care of... but I really don't know enough to
>> > confirm this. She lives in Birmingham.
>>
>> > Please don't patronise me, I know very well the severity of the
>> > situation. At this point I just need reliable information.
>>
>> > Thank you.
>>
>> Does her view count for something? Or can the family not cope?
>> Social services can do more harm than good. Not always - but they can
>> make a problem much worse.
>>
>> Might be worth getting to know her better, provide a friendly ear for
>> the mother.
>>
>
>I don't plan to tell social services until I understand the situation
>better.

If you think the baby is at risk - and tbh the 13 year was obviously
at risk to end up having a baby - then you should do what you think is
best. It's probably wisest to let SS get involved and provide the
proper support and help this child and her baby need.
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Mogga wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:38:28 -0700, 32andtwentyseven
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 17 Sep, 14:52, "mart2...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
>>> On 16 Sep, 19:18, 32andtwentyseven 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know a 13 year old girl, vaguely.
>>>> She recently turned 13. She gave birth at home 4 months and 2 weeks
>>>> ago to a baby girl. I said she needs to tell social services.. but she
>>>> said she doesn't want to.
>>>> If social services find out, what will they do? From what I hear the
>>>> baby is being taken care of... but I really don't know enough to
>>>> confirm this. She lives in Birmingham.
>>>> Please don't patronise me, I know very well the severity of the
>>>> situation. At this point I just need reliable information.
>>>> Thank you.
>>> Does her view count for something? Or can the family not cope?
>>> Social services can do more harm than good. Not always - but they can
>>> make a problem much worse.
>>>
>>> Might be worth getting to know her better, provide a friendly ear for
>>> the mother.
>>>
>> I don't plan to tell social services until I understand the situation
>> better.
> 
> If you think the baby is at risk - and tbh the 13 year was obviously
> at risk to end up having a baby - then you should do what you think is
> best. It's probably wisest to let SS get involved and provide the
> proper support and help this child and her baby need.

I agree with this.

-- 
Robbie

> The older mother is boarding on abusive in that she neglects both her
> daughters, although she was present when the kid gave birth.
> The 13 year old, who I will call Katie has also developed a crack
> habit which begun 6 months ago. She sleeps with a 19 year old male,
> who supplies her. He is not the father of the baby though.

IANAL

She DOES need medical attention, and URGENTLY - if nothing else for 
the safety of her baby and to get help coming off the drugs.

It goes like this - one bad trip, one more orphan.

You really wouldn't want the baby staying with granny, and I doubt the 
father (if known) would turn up to take on the role...

The police may also have an interest in her relationship with her 
dealer - she's probably getting a reduced rate for sexual favours, and 
paedophilia isn't a popular subject at the moment...

> I talk to her on the phone. Really all I am is a friendly ear. I wish
> I could do more but at the moment I am just gaining her trust.

That old phrase comes to mind - cruel to be kind...

Knowing that she's in that situation and leaving her there is reckless 
IMO, and it seems like it's only you who can "push the button" at the 
moment to get her out to a place of safety.

On 17 Sep, 20:19, Colin Wilson
 wrote:
> > The older mother is boarding on abusive in that she neglects both her
> > daughters, although she was present when the kid gave birth.
> > The 13 year old, who I will call Katie has also developed a crack
> > habit which begun 6 months ago. She sleeps with a 19 year old male,
> > who supplies her. He is not the father of the baby though.
>
> IANAL
>
> She DOES need medical attention, and URGENTLY - if nothing else for
> the safety of her baby and to get help coming off the drugs.
>
> It goes like this - one bad trip, one more orphan.
>
> You really wouldn't want the baby staying with granny, and I doubt the
> father (if known) would turn up to take on the role...
>
> The police may also have an interest in her relationship with her
> dealer - she's probably getting a reduced rate for sexual favours, and
> paedophilia isn't a popular subject at the moment...
>
> > I talk to her on the phone. Really all I am is a friendly ear. I wish
> > I could do more but at the moment I am just gaining her trust.
>
> That old phrase comes to mind - cruel to be kind...
>
> Knowing that she's in that situation and leaving her there is reckless
> IMO, and it seems like it's only you who can "push the button" at the
> moment to get her out to a place of safety.

Though if she has a crack habit, possible that at some point she will
end up stealing to get the money or prostitute on a street corner. Can
use up even more than a boyfriend is willing to supply.
Locally the Manor Hotel deals with females who have bad drug habits -
many of the girls have been prostitutes for £500 - £700 a day drug
habits. Just north of you in Walsall.
But not sure they would be able to take a 13 year old.

Social services may be able to do something. Just don't be suprised if
baby ends up with granny.
Some social workers seem to subscribe to the idea that family are
always best able to help, even when family is the worst thing that can
be done. And care homes for kids......<shudder>...

Do what you think is best. Perhaps discuss it with her first, or see
if you can contact a teen charity or young addict charity for advice.
Your local council for voluntary service may know of one if there
aren't any listed in the phone book.
Just be aware that volunteers have a little more leeway about
reporting things than official state bodies that must be seen to do
something.  :)

Martin  <><

QUOTE "The older mother is boarding on abusive in that she neglects
both her
daughters, although she was present when the kid gave birth.

The 13 year old, who I will call Katie has also developed a crack
habit which begun 6 months ago. She sleeps with a 19 year old male,
who supplies her. He is not the father of the baby though. "

_____________________________________________________

I accept that your motives are good-hearted but I think you are doing
too much hand-wringing.
This 13 year old girl and her baby are in an INCREDIBLY VULNERABLE
position.
So maybe Social Services aren't perfect - but I'm willing to bet they
can do a better job at supporting this person and her baby than a
crack dealing child abuser.

Pick up the phone.