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date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:41:25 -0700,
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"The law says we cannot pay you"
Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
(involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
the law says we cannot pay you.
I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
before I phone them on Monday morning. Obviously, I don't want them to
break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
welcome.
--
James
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:41:25 -0700
author: James
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Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:41:25 -0700, James wrote:
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
See:
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/employment/dismissal_and_benefits.htm
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:58:33 GMT
author: Robin T Cox
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 6:41 pm, James wrote:
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning. Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
> --
> James
Sounds like a piss poor computer generated letter alright. I doubt it
was anything to do with the reasons for leaving last job (confusing
though they are!), as you say the form could not have arrived in
time. Assuming you've signed a jobseekers agreement and remembered to
sign on I think it's a safe bet that your contribution record shows
you've not paid enough NI.
If this is confirmed by the jobcentre you can compare the NI records
they hold against your 04/05 + 05/06 P60s and P45s if you've had more
than one job (end of year P60s only show current employment). If they
differ than the jobcentre will need to look into it.
You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Mike
ps I have assumed you signed on this year, if not these will be the
wrong tax years
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:17:14 -0000
author: Mike
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Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
wrote:
> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
up payments in any case.
The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
there was no misconduct per se.
--
James
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700
author: James
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Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
"James" wrote in message
news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning.
....
If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
These computer generated letters are probably produced
automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
biblios
--
> Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
>
> --
> James
>
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:07:11 +0100
author: biblios
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Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700, James
wrote:
>On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
>wrote:
>
>> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
>> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
>> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
>
>Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
>been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
>wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
I have heard of companies not having paid the NI they said they have.
Collect your payslips etc as evidence of having paid it.
>where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
>that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
>up payments in any case.
>
>The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
>Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
>I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
>posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
>unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
>looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
>I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
>there was no misconduct per se.
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date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:20:44 +0100
author: Mogga
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Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 10:07 pm, "biblios" wrote:
> "James" wrote in message
>
> news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> > (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> > last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> > he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> > circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> > said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> > Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> > Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> > YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> > We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> > We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> > the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> > can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> > before I phone them on Monday morning.
>
> ...
>
> If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
>
> These computer generated letters are probably produced
> automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
> in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
> number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
>
> If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
> then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
> phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
> employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
> JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
>
> Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
> or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
> then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
>
> biblios
I doubt it's anything to do with the circumstances around leaving his
last job. The form from prev emp was in the post and unless the OP
has said he left volumntarily the JC wouldn't consider a suspension
and even then it's very unlikely. 99% of the time they wait for the
form and act on that.
Mike
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:53:12 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:41:25 -0700, James wrote:
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
See:
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/employment/dismissal_and_benefits.htm
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:58:33 GMT
author: Robin T Cox
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 6:41 pm, James wrote:
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning. Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
> --
> James
Sounds like a piss poor computer generated letter alright. I doubt it
was anything to do with the reasons for leaving last job (confusing
though they are!), as you say the form could not have arrived in
time. Assuming you've signed a jobseekers agreement and remembered to
sign on I think it's a safe bet that your contribution record shows
you've not paid enough NI.
If this is confirmed by the jobcentre you can compare the NI records
they hold against your 04/05 + 05/06 P60s and P45s if you've had more
than one job (end of year P60s only show current employment). If they
differ than the jobcentre will need to look into it.
You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Mike
ps I have assumed you signed on this year, if not these will be the
wrong tax years
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:17:14 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
wrote:
> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
up payments in any case.
The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
there was no misconduct per se.
--
James
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700
author: James
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
"James" wrote in message
news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning.
....
If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
These computer generated letters are probably produced
automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
biblios
--
> Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
>
> --
> James
>
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:07:11 +0100
author: biblios
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700, James
wrote:
>On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
>wrote:
>
>> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
>> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
>> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
>
>Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
>been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
>wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
I have heard of companies not having paid the NI they said they have.
Collect your payslips etc as evidence of having paid it.
>where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
>that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
>up payments in any case.
>
>The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
>Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
>I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
>posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
>unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
>looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
>I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
>there was no misconduct per se.
--
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date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:20:44 +0100
author: Mogga
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 10:07 pm, "biblios" wrote:
> "James" wrote in message
>
> news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> > (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> > last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> > he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> > circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> > said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> > Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> > Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> > YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> > We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> > We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> > the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> > can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> > before I phone them on Monday morning.
>
> ...
>
> If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
>
> These computer generated letters are probably produced
> automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
> in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
> number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
>
> If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
> then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
> phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
> employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
> JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
>
> Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
> or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
> then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
>
> biblios
I doubt it's anything to do with the circumstances around leaving his
last job. The form from prev emp was in the post and unless the OP
has said he left volumntarily the JC wouldn't consider a suspension
and even then it's very unlikely. 99% of the time they wait for the
form and act on that.
Mike
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:53:12 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:41:25 -0700, James wrote:
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
See:
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/employment/dismissal_and_benefits.htm
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:58:33 GMT
author: Robin T Cox
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 6:41 pm, James wrote:
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning. Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
> --
> James
Sounds like a piss poor computer generated letter alright. I doubt it
was anything to do with the reasons for leaving last job (confusing
though they are!), as you say the form could not have arrived in
time. Assuming you've signed a jobseekers agreement and remembered to
sign on I think it's a safe bet that your contribution record shows
you've not paid enough NI.
If this is confirmed by the jobcentre you can compare the NI records
they hold against your 04/05 + 05/06 P60s and P45s if you've had more
than one job (end of year P60s only show current employment). If they
differ than the jobcentre will need to look into it.
You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Mike
ps I have assumed you signed on this year, if not these will be the
wrong tax years
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:17:14 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
wrote:
> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
up payments in any case.
The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
there was no misconduct per se.
--
James
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700
author: James
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
"James" wrote in message
news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning.
....
If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
These computer generated letters are probably produced
automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
biblios
--
> Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
>
> --
> James
>
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:07:11 +0100
author: biblios
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700, James
wrote:
>On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
>wrote:
>
>> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
>> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
>> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
>
>Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
>been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
>wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
I have heard of companies not having paid the NI they said they have.
Collect your payslips etc as evidence of having paid it.
>where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
>that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
>up payments in any case.
>
>The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
>Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
>I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
>posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
>unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
>looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
>I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
>there was no misconduct per se.
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date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:20:44 +0100
author: Mogga
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 10:07 pm, "biblios" wrote:
> "James" wrote in message
>
> news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> > (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> > last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> > he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> > circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> > said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> > Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> > Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> > YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> > We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> > We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> > the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> > can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> > before I phone them on Monday morning.
>
> ...
>
> If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
>
> These computer generated letters are probably produced
> automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
> in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
> number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
>
> If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
> then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
> phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
> employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
> JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
>
> Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
> or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
> then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
>
> biblios
I doubt it's anything to do with the circumstances around leaving his
last job. The form from prev emp was in the post and unless the OP
has said he left volumntarily the JC wouldn't consider a suspension
and even then it's very unlikely. 99% of the time they wait for the
form and act on that.
Mike
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:53:12 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:41:25 -0700, James wrote:
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
See:
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/employment/dismissal_and_benefits.htm
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:58:33 GMT
author: Robin T Cox
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 6:41 pm, James wrote:
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning. Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
> --
> James
Sounds like a piss poor computer generated letter alright. I doubt it
was anything to do with the reasons for leaving last job (confusing
though they are!), as you say the form could not have arrived in
time. Assuming you've signed a jobseekers agreement and remembered to
sign on I think it's a safe bet that your contribution record shows
you've not paid enough NI.
If this is confirmed by the jobcentre you can compare the NI records
they hold against your 04/05 + 05/06 P60s and P45s if you've had more
than one job (end of year P60s only show current employment). If they
differ than the jobcentre will need to look into it.
You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Mike
ps I have assumed you signed on this year, if not these will be the
wrong tax years
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:17:14 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
wrote:
> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
up payments in any case.
The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
there was no misconduct per se.
--
James
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700
author: James
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
"James" wrote in message
news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning.
....
If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
These computer generated letters are probably produced
automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
biblios
--
> Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
>
> --
> James
>
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:07:11 +0100
author: biblios
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700, James
wrote:
>On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
>wrote:
>
>> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
>> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
>> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
>
>Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
>been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
>wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
I have heard of companies not having paid the NI they said they have.
Collect your payslips etc as evidence of having paid it.
>where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
>that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
>up payments in any case.
>
>The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
>Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
>I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
>posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
>unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
>looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
>I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
>there was no misconduct per se.
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date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:20:44 +0100
author: Mogga
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 10:07 pm, "biblios" wrote:
> "James" wrote in message
>
> news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> > (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> > last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> > he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> > circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> > said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> > Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> > Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> > YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> > We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> > We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> > the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> > can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> > before I phone them on Monday morning.
>
> ...
>
> If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
>
> These computer generated letters are probably produced
> automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
> in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
> number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
>
> If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
> then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
> phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
> employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
> JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
>
> Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
> or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
> then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
>
> biblios
I doubt it's anything to do with the circumstances around leaving his
last job. The form from prev emp was in the post and unless the OP
has said he left volumntarily the JC wouldn't consider a suspension
and even then it's very unlikely. 99% of the time they wait for the
form and act on that.
Mike
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:53:12 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
> If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
Hoped it might be something like that :) Shades of Franz Kafka, being
"refused" but not able to be told why. I'll phone them tomorrow just
because I need a laugh, and I'll remember to try again later in the
week.
Thanks for the advice, and thanks to others who responded as well.
--
James
date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:56:27 -0700
author: James
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:41:25 -0700, James wrote:
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
See:
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/employment/dismissal_and_benefits.htm
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:58:33 GMT
author: Robin T Cox
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 6:41 pm, James wrote:
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning. Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
> --
> James
Sounds like a piss poor computer generated letter alright. I doubt it
was anything to do with the reasons for leaving last job (confusing
though they are!), as you say the form could not have arrived in
time. Assuming you've signed a jobseekers agreement and remembered to
sign on I think it's a safe bet that your contribution record shows
you've not paid enough NI.
If this is confirmed by the jobcentre you can compare the NI records
they hold against your 04/05 + 05/06 P60s and P45s if you've had more
than one job (end of year P60s only show current employment). If they
differ than the jobcentre will need to look into it.
You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Mike
ps I have assumed you signed on this year, if not these will be the
wrong tax years
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:17:14 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
wrote:
> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
up payments in any case.
The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
there was no misconduct per se.
--
James
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700
author: James
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
"James" wrote in message
news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning.
....
If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
These computer generated letters are probably produced
automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
biblios
--
> Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
>
> --
> James
>
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:07:11 +0100
author: biblios
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700, James
wrote:
>On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
>wrote:
>
>> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
>> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
>> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
>
>Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
>been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
>wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
I have heard of companies not having paid the NI they said they have.
Collect your payslips etc as evidence of having paid it.
>where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
>that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
>up payments in any case.
>
>The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
>Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
>I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
>posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
>unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
>looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
>I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
>there was no misconduct per se.
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date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:20:44 +0100
author: Mogga
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 10:07 pm, "biblios" wrote:
> "James" wrote in message
>
> news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> > (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> > last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> > he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> > circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> > said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> > Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> > Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> > YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> > We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> > We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> > the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> > can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> > before I phone them on Monday morning.
>
> ...
>
> If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
>
> These computer generated letters are probably produced
> automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
> in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
> number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
>
> If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
> then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
> phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
> employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
> JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
>
> Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
> or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
> then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
>
> biblios
I doubt it's anything to do with the circumstances around leaving his
last job. The form from prev emp was in the post and unless the OP
has said he left volumntarily the JC wouldn't consider a suspension
and even then it's very unlikely. 99% of the time they wait for the
form and act on that.
Mike
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:53:12 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
> If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
Hoped it might be something like that :) Shades of Franz Kafka, being
"refused" but not able to be told why. I'll phone them tomorrow just
because I need a laugh, and I'll remember to try again later in the
week.
Thanks for the advice, and thanks to others who responded as well.
--
James
date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:56:27 -0700
author: James
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 24, 7:56 pm, James wrote:
> > If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> > confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> > won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> > explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> > Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
>
> Hoped it might be something like that :) Shades of Franz Kafka, being
> "refused" but not able to be told why. I'll phone them tomorrow just
> because I need a laugh, and I'll remember to try again later in the
> week.
>
> Thanks for the advice, and thanks to others who responded as well.
>
> --
> James
Very strange sense of humour .... Never ever ring the DWP on a monday
unless you really really have too. In my office the waiting times are
twice as long.
This goes the same for any phone based organisation that shuts for
most of the weekend for obvious reasons.
Mike
date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:35:51 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
"Mike" wrote in message
news:1182713751.650230.134670@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 24, 7:56 pm, James wrote:
>> > If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
>> > confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
>> > won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
>> > explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>>
>> > Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
>>
>> Hoped it might be something like that :) Shades of Franz Kafka, being
>> "refused" but not able to be told why. I'll phone them tomorrow just
>> because I need a laugh, and I'll remember to try again later in the
>> week.
>>
>> Thanks for the advice, and thanks to others who responded as well.
>>
>> --
>> James
>
> Very strange sense of humour .... Never ever ring the DWP on a monday
> unless you really really have too. In my office the waiting times are
> twice as long.
>
> This goes the same for any phone based organisation that shuts for
> most of the weekend for obvious reasons.
>
> Mike
>
When I worked on a telephone team I always advised people to ring as soon as
the office opened or after 3.30pm. Our phone section was never very busy at
these times. Mind you, now the section has been disbanded and the calls are
now taken by the area BDC, I'm not sure if this still applies!
As for the reason why James has been disallowed JSA, it could be for many
reasons. It is highly doubtful if it's anything to do with the reasons why
his last job ended at this time as the letter would have told him so. When a
claim is shut down, a numerical code is input to tell the computer why it
has been closed (ie, found work, claimed other benefit, gone abroad, failed
to attend etc). If a code for 'other reason' has been input, this sometimes
generates a letter with similar wording as was mentioned. If this has
happened he needs to talk to the office and ask for an explanation. The
processor should have put a note on the computer to state why this code was
used.
Netty
date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:15:09 +0100
author: Netty netty@???.hello.com
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:41:25 -0700, James wrote:
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
See:
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/employment/dismissal_and_benefits.htm
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:58:33 GMT
author: Robin T Cox
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 6:41 pm, James wrote:
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning. Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
> --
> James
Sounds like a piss poor computer generated letter alright. I doubt it
was anything to do with the reasons for leaving last job (confusing
though they are!), as you say the form could not have arrived in
time. Assuming you've signed a jobseekers agreement and remembered to
sign on I think it's a safe bet that your contribution record shows
you've not paid enough NI.
If this is confirmed by the jobcentre you can compare the NI records
they hold against your 04/05 + 05/06 P60s and P45s if you've had more
than one job (end of year P60s only show current employment). If they
differ than the jobcentre will need to look into it.
You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Mike
ps I have assumed you signed on this year, if not these will be the
wrong tax years
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:17:14 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
wrote:
> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
up payments in any case.
The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
there was no misconduct per se.
--
James
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700
author: James
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
"James" wrote in message
news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning.
....
If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
These computer generated letters are probably produced
automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
biblios
--
> Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
>
> --
> James
>
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:07:11 +0100
author: biblios
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700, James
wrote:
>On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
>wrote:
>
>> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
>> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
>> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
>
>Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
>been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
>wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
I have heard of companies not having paid the NI they said they have.
Collect your payslips etc as evidence of having paid it.
>where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
>that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
>up payments in any case.
>
>The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
>Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
>I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
>posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
>unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
>looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
>I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
>there was no misconduct per se.
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date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:20:44 +0100
author: Mogga
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 10:07 pm, "biblios" wrote:
> "James" wrote in message
>
> news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> > (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> > last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> > he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> > circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> > said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> > Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> > Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> > YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> > We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> > We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> > the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> > can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> > before I phone them on Monday morning.
>
> ...
>
> If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
>
> These computer generated letters are probably produced
> automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
> in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
> number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
>
> If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
> then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
> phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
> employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
> JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
>
> Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
> or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
> then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
>
> biblios
I doubt it's anything to do with the circumstances around leaving his
last job. The form from prev emp was in the post and unless the OP
has said he left volumntarily the JC wouldn't consider a suspension
and even then it's very unlikely. 99% of the time they wait for the
form and act on that.
Mike
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:53:12 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
> If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
Hoped it might be something like that :) Shades of Franz Kafka, being
"refused" but not able to be told why. I'll phone them tomorrow just
because I need a laugh, and I'll remember to try again later in the
week.
Thanks for the advice, and thanks to others who responded as well.
--
James
date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:56:27 -0700
author: James
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 24, 7:56 pm, James wrote:
> > If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> > confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> > won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> > explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> > Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
>
> Hoped it might be something like that :) Shades of Franz Kafka, being
> "refused" but not able to be told why. I'll phone them tomorrow just
> because I need a laugh, and I'll remember to try again later in the
> week.
>
> Thanks for the advice, and thanks to others who responded as well.
>
> --
> James
Very strange sense of humour .... Never ever ring the DWP on a monday
unless you really really have too. In my office the waiting times are
twice as long.
This goes the same for any phone based organisation that shuts for
most of the weekend for obvious reasons.
Mike
date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:35:51 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
"Mike" wrote in message
news:1182713751.650230.134670@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 24, 7:56 pm, James wrote:
>> > If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
>> > confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
>> > won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
>> > explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>>
>> > Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
>>
>> Hoped it might be something like that :) Shades of Franz Kafka, being
>> "refused" but not able to be told why. I'll phone them tomorrow just
>> because I need a laugh, and I'll remember to try again later in the
>> week.
>>
>> Thanks for the advice, and thanks to others who responded as well.
>>
>> --
>> James
>
> Very strange sense of humour .... Never ever ring the DWP on a monday
> unless you really really have too. In my office the waiting times are
> twice as long.
>
> This goes the same for any phone based organisation that shuts for
> most of the weekend for obvious reasons.
>
> Mike
>
When I worked on a telephone team I always advised people to ring as soon as
the office opened or after 3.30pm. Our phone section was never very busy at
these times. Mind you, now the section has been disbanded and the calls are
now taken by the area BDC, I'm not sure if this still applies!
As for the reason why James has been disallowed JSA, it could be for many
reasons. It is highly doubtful if it's anything to do with the reasons why
his last job ended at this time as the letter would have told him so. When a
claim is shut down, a numerical code is input to tell the computer why it
has been closed (ie, found work, claimed other benefit, gone abroad, failed
to attend etc). If a code for 'other reason' has been input, this sometimes
generates a letter with similar wording as was mentioned. If this has
happened he needs to talk to the office and ask for an explanation. The
processor should have put a note on the computer to state why this code was
used.
Netty
date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:15:09 +0100
author: Netty netty@???.hello.com
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:41:25 -0700, James wrote:
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
See:
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/employment/dismissal_and_benefits.htm
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:58:33 GMT
author: Robin T Cox
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 6:41 pm, James wrote:
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning. Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
> --
> James
Sounds like a piss poor computer generated letter alright. I doubt it
was anything to do with the reasons for leaving last job (confusing
though they are!), as you say the form could not have arrived in
time. Assuming you've signed a jobseekers agreement and remembered to
sign on I think it's a safe bet that your contribution record shows
you've not paid enough NI.
If this is confirmed by the jobcentre you can compare the NI records
they hold against your 04/05 + 05/06 P60s and P45s if you've had more
than one job (end of year P60s only show current employment). If they
differ than the jobcentre will need to look into it.
You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Mike
ps I have assumed you signed on this year, if not these will be the
wrong tax years
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:17:14 -0000
author: Mike
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
wrote:
> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
up payments in any case.
The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
there was no misconduct per se.
--
James
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700
author: James
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
"James" wrote in message
news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
>
> YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> the law says we cannot pay you.
>
>
> I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> before I phone them on Monday morning.
....
If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
These computer generated letters are probably produced
automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
biblios
--
> Obviously, I don't want them to
> break the law on my account ;) but saying "we can't pay you because
> the law says we can't" is as much of an explanation as saying "we're
> not going to pay you because we've decided not to."
>
> Any insight into this lamentable piece of bureaucratese would be very
> welcome.
>
>
> --
> James
>
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:07:11 +0100
author: biblios
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:36:59 -0700, James
wrote:
>On 23 Jun, 19:17, Mike
>wrote:
>
>> You described your leaving as involuntary redundancy but your employer
>> ticked the box to say it was involutary dismissal, even if your sort
>> out the NI you may find your benefit sanctioned (stopped).
>
>Thanks for the advice. AFAICT, the NI should have been paid since I've
>been in continuous employment for 3 years, so it was taken out of my
>wages. The only slight problem might have been for a year before that,
I have heard of companies not having paid the NI they said they have.
Collect your payslips etc as evidence of having paid it.
>where I was semi-self-employed for a year (business was patchy) so
>that might have affected what I paid. But from what I remember, I kept
>up payments in any case.
>
>The circumstances of the "dismissal" are a bit difficult to pin down.
>Basically, I was hired for a job below my skill level and as far as
>I'm concerned I was lied to at the interview. Just looked at the link
>posted by Robin Cox, and I might see if I can pursue a claim for
>unfair dismissal. There was no misconduct, just "sorry, old chap,
>looks like this isn't the right job for you, so you'll have to leave."
>I would have preferred to stay, so it's not voluntary, but equally
>there was no misconduct per se.
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date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:20:44 +0100
author: Mogga
|
Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 23, 10:07 pm, "biblios" wrote:
> "James" wrote in message
>
> news:1182620485.441851.249900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hope this is the right group for this... I lost my job recently
> > (involuntary redundancy) and so I applied for jobseeker's allowance
> > last week. I was phoned on Thursday by my previous employer, who said
> > he'd got a form from the Jobcentre people, asking about the
> > circumstances of my dismissal (was it voluntary or involuntary). He
> > said he'd tick the "involuntary" box. Hurrah.
>
> > Given that he would not have had enough time to return the form by
> > Friday, I was surprised to receive a letter on Friday saying:
>
> > YOUR CLAIM FOR JOBSEEKER'S ALLOWANCE
>
> > We cannot pay you Jobseeker's Allowance from 12 June 2007.
> > We cannot pay you because the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > We cannot pay you an allowance from 13 June 2007. This is because:
> > the law says we cannot pay you.
>
> > I'm fairly sure I should qualify for contributions based allowance:
> > can anyone tell me what the problem might be? Just curious to find out
> > before I phone them on Monday morning.
>
> ...
>
> If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
>
> These computer generated letters are probably produced
> automatically so as to enable them to meet certain targets
> in respect of informing claimants of decisions within a certain
> number of days. Regardless of whether they're correct or not.
>
> If you phone on Monday before they've recieved the form back
> then they'll probably tell you the same thing over the
> phone. Until they recieve confirmation from your former
> employer, then their hands are tied. As they can't pay
> JSA stright off, where redundancy is voluntary.
>
> Give them enough time to have recieve the form back, say Wednesday
> or Thursday and phone them then. Assuming everything else is O.K
> then your JSA will be backdated to the first day of your claim.
>
> biblios
I doubt it's anything to do with the circumstances around leaving his
last job. The form from prev emp was in the post and unless the OP
has said he left volumntarily the JC wouldn't consider a suspension
and even then it's very unlikely. 99% of the time they wait for the
form and act on that.
Mike
date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:53:12 -0000
author: Mike
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Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
> If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
Hoped it might be something like that :) Shades of Franz Kafka, being
"refused" but not able to be told why. I'll phone them tomorrow just
because I need a laugh, and I'll remember to try again later in the
week.
Thanks for the advice, and thanks to others who responded as well.
--
James
date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:56:27 -0700
author: James
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Re: "The law says we cannot pay you"
On Jun 24, 7:56 pm, James wrote:
> > If they haven't yet recieved the form back from your employer
> > confirming your redundancy was involuntary - which as you say they
> > won't have done - then an automatic letter has been generated,
> > explaining that you're not eligible for JSA.
>
> > Once they've recieved that confirmation then you will be eligible.
>
> Hoped it might be something like that :) Shades of Franz Kafka, | |
