im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data 
protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and 
phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.

harry
---------------------------

harry@by.co.uk wrote:
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data 
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and 
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
> 
> harry
> ---------------------------

The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every 
other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain 
that the information provided can be given to a variety of 
organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.

Which private organisations did you have in mind?



-- 
Robbie

On Jun 4, 4:29 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> h...@by.co.uk wrote:
> > im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> > protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> > phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> > to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > harry
> > ---------------------------
>
> The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every
> other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain
> that the information provided can be given to a variety of
> organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.
>
> Which private organisations did you have in mind?
>
> --
> Robbie

The companies the JC are passing the deatils onto are almost certainly
contracted by the DWP to carry out specific functions such as training
on behalf of the DWP.  This is entirely within the DPA.

Mike

harry@by.co.uk wrote:
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data 
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and 
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
> 
> harry
> ---------------------------

The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every 
other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain 
that the information provided can be given to a variety of 
organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.

Which private organisations did you have in mind?



-- 
Robbie

On Jun 4, 4:29 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> h...@by.co.uk wrote:
> > im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> > protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> > phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> > to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > harry
> > ---------------------------
>
> The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every
> other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain
> that the information provided can be given to a variety of
> organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.
>
> Which private organisations did you have in mind?
>
> --
> Robbie

The companies the JC are passing the deatils onto are almost certainly
contracted by the DWP to carry out specific functions such as training
on behalf of the DWP.  This is entirely within the DPA.

Mike

harry@by.co.uk wrote:
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data 
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and 
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
> 
> harry
> ---------------------------

The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every 
other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain 
that the information provided can be given to a variety of 
organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.

Which private organisations did you have in mind?



-- 
Robbie

On Jun 4, 4:29 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> h...@by.co.uk wrote:
> > im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> > protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> > phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> > to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > harry
> > ---------------------------
>
> The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every
> other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain
> that the information provided can be given to a variety of
> organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.
>
> Which private organisations did you have in mind?
>
> --
> Robbie

The companies the JC are passing the deatils onto are almost certainly
contracted by the DWP to carry out specific functions such as training
on behalf of the DWP.  This is entirely within the DPA.

Mike

wrote in message 
news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>

The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.

Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.

Niteawk wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
>> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
>> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
>> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>
> 
> The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
> on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
> shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
> 
> Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
> frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
> responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details. 
> 
> 

I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk! 
Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...

-- 
Robbie

harry@by.co.uk wrote:
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data 
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and 
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
> 
> harry
> ---------------------------

The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every 
other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain 
that the information provided can be given to a variety of 
organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.

Which private organisations did you have in mind?



-- 
Robbie

On Jun 4, 4:29 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> h...@by.co.uk wrote:
> > im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> > protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> > phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> > to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > harry
> > ---------------------------
>
> The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every
> other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain
> that the information provided can be given to a variety of
> organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.
>
> Which private organisations did you have in mind?
>
> --
> Robbie

The companies the JC are passing the deatils onto are almost certainly
contracted by the DWP to carry out specific functions such as training
on behalf of the DWP.  This is entirely within the DPA.

Mike

wrote in message 
news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>

The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.

Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.

Niteawk wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
>> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
>> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
>> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>
> 
> The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
> on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
> shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
> 
> Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
> frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
> responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details. 
> 
> 

I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk! 
Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...

-- 
Robbie

On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> Niteawk wrote:
> >  wrote in message
> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written
> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without
> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>
> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do
> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is
> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.
>
> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>
> --
> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
since IT systems were introduced.

I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
of wrong doing.

Mike

harry@by.co.uk wrote:
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data 
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and 
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
> 
> harry
> ---------------------------

The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every 
other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain 
that the information provided can be given to a variety of 
organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.

Which private organisations did you have in mind?



-- 
Robbie

On Jun 4, 4:29 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> h...@by.co.uk wrote:
> > im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> > protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> > phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> > to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > harry
> > ---------------------------
>
> The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every
> other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain
> that the information provided can be given to a variety of
> organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.
>
> Which private organisations did you have in mind?
>
> --
> Robbie

The companies the JC are passing the deatils onto are almost certainly
contracted by the DWP to carry out specific functions such as training
on behalf of the DWP.  This is entirely within the DPA.

Mike

wrote in message 
news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>

The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.

Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.

Niteawk wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
>> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
>> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
>> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>
> 
> The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
> on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
> shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
> 
> Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
> frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
> responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details. 
> 
> 

I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk! 
Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...

-- 
Robbie

On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> Niteawk wrote:
> >  wrote in message
> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written
> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without
> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>
> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do
> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is
> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.
>
> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>
> --
> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
since IT systems were introduced.

I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
of wrong doing.

Mike

harry@by.co.uk wrote:
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data 
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and 
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
> 
> harry
> ---------------------------

The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every 
other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain 
that the information provided can be given to a variety of 
organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.

Which private organisations did you have in mind?



-- 
Robbie

On Jun 4, 4:29 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> h...@by.co.uk wrote:
> > im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> > protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> > phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> > to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > harry
> > ---------------------------
>
> The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every
> other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain
> that the information provided can be given to a variety of
> organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.
>
> Which private organisations did you have in mind?
>
> --
> Robbie

The companies the JC are passing the deatils onto are almost certainly
contracted by the DWP to carry out specific functions such as training
on behalf of the DWP.  This is entirely within the DPA.

Mike

wrote in message 
news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>

The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.

Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.

Niteawk wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
>> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
>> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
>> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>
> 
> The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
> on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
> shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
> 
> Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
> frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
> responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details. 
> 
> 

I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk! 
Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...

-- 
Robbie

On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> Niteawk wrote:
> >  wrote in message
> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written
> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without
> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>
> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do
> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is
> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.
>
> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>
> --
> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
since IT systems were introduced.

I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
of wrong doing.

Mike

"Mike"  wrote in message
news:1181059373.378230.82590@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
>> Niteawk wrote:
>> >  wrote in message
>> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the
>> >> data
>> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses
>> >> and
>> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this
>> >> seems
>> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>
>> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its
>> > written
>> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish
>> > without
>> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>>
>> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which
>> > they do
>> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual
>> > who is
>> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your
>> > details.
>>
>> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
>> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>>
>> --
>> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
> members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
> random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
> since IT systems were introduced.
>
> I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
> caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
> for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
> had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
> of wrong doing.
>

You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed on.

Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on their
family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping them off
New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting up
claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people who are
still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.

People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they are in
India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for them,
all with the help of bent asian JC staff.

harry@by.co.uk wrote:
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data 
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and 
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
> 
> harry
> ---------------------------

The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every 
other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain 
that the information provided can be given to a variety of 
organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.

Which private organisations did you have in mind?



-- 
Robbie

On Jun 4, 4:29 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> h...@by.co.uk wrote:
> > im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> > protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> > phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> > to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > harry
> > ---------------------------
>
> The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every
> other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain
> that the information provided can be given to a variety of
> organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.
>
> Which private organisations did you have in mind?
>
> --
> Robbie

The companies the JC are passing the deatils onto are almost certainly
contracted by the DWP to carry out specific functions such as training
on behalf of the DWP.  This is entirely within the DPA.

Mike

wrote in message 
news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>

The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.

Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.

Niteawk wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
>> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
>> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
>> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>
> 
> The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
> on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
> shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
> 
> Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
> frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
> responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details. 
> 
> 

I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk! 
Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...

-- 
Robbie

On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> Niteawk wrote:
> >  wrote in message
> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written
> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without
> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>
> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do
> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is
> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.
>
> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>
> --
> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
since IT systems were introduced.

I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
of wrong doing.

Mike

"Mike"  wrote in message
news:1181059373.378230.82590@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
>> Niteawk wrote:
>> >  wrote in message
>> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the
>> >> data
>> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses
>> >> and
>> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this
>> >> seems
>> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>
>> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its
>> > written
>> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish
>> > without
>> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>>
>> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which
>> > they do
>> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual
>> > who is
>> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your
>> > details.
>>
>> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
>> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>>
>> --
>> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
> members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
> random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
> since IT systems were introduced.
>
> I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
> caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
> for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
> had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
> of wrong doing.
>

You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed on.

Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on their
family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping them off
New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting up
claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people who are
still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.

People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they are in
India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for them,
all with the help of bent asian JC staff.

On Jun 6, 1:41 pm, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> "Mike"  wrote in message
>
> news:1181059373.378230.82590@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> >> Niteawk wrote:
> >> >  wrote in message
> >> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the
> >> >> data
> >> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses
> >> >> and
> >> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this
> >> >> seems
> >> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> >> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its
> >> > written
> >> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish
> >> > without
> >> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>
> >> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which
> >> > they do
> >> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual
> >> > who is
> >> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your
> >> > details.
>
> >> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
> >> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>
> >> --
> >> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
> > members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
> > random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
> > since IT systems were introduced.
>
> > I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
> > caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
> > for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
> > had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
> > of wrong doing.
>
> You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed on.

No, I couldn't substantiate the access - almost certainly it was post
that wasn't for my section and I accessed the records saw that
forwarded on to somewhere in the DWP and so could not sustantiate the
access.  Alt I could simply have miskeyed the NINo.  Ihvae never
passed data on illegally & am hardly liklely to 'confess' to anything
illegal here.

> Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on their
> family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping them off
> New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting up
> claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people who are
> still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.
>
> People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they are in
> India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for them,
> all with the help of bent asian JC staff.- Hide quoted text -

Ahhh **itehawk, you love proving me right!  If you have 'evidence' or
genuine suspicions pass them onto the DWP, don't burble vaguely on
usenet.  When I used to deal with the public I used to get people
talking **ite like this. 'I no someone who does this that and the
other, I used to simply challenge them to put up or shut up, only one
person ever put up.

Unfortunately very few shut up .....

Mike

"Mike"  wrote in message 
news:1181137047.433399.212550@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed 
>>> on.
>
> No, I couldn't substantiate the access - almost certainly it was post
> that wasn't for my section and I accessed the records saw that
> forwarded on to somewhere in the DWP and so could not sustantiate the
> access.  Alt I could simply have miskeyed the NINo.  Ihvae never
> passed data on illegally & am hardly liklely to 'confess' to anything
> illegal here.

Of course not, why would you confess, even a moron knows when to keep quite, 
thats how easy it is to abuse the system.


>
>> Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on their
>> family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping them 
>> off
>> New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting up
>> claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people who 
>> are
>> still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.
>>
>> People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they are 
>> in
>> India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for 
>> them,
>> all with the help of bent asian JC staff.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Ahhh **itehawk, you love proving me right!  If you have 'evidence' or
> genuine suspicions pass them onto the DWP, don't burble vaguely on
> usenet.  When I used to deal with the public I used to get people
> talking **ite like this. 'I no someone who does this that and the
> other, I used to simply challenge them to put up or shut up, only one
> person ever put up.
>
> Unfortunately very few shut up .....
>

What the hell do you think this is, a court of law? I know of a couple of 
asian JC staff who were caught doing what I have said, and they were only 
caught by accident, old bill pulled them for dodgy driving and found 
numerous JSA books with fake IDs sitting in the glove box awaiting delivery 
to their mates, the rest is history.

I am sure you are aware they can only catch dodgy JC staff if they 
deliberately set out to do so, which they dont because they are too busy 
running after so called dodgy claimants while the real dodgy bastards are 
sitting right under their noses, always one step ahead.

Niteawk wrote:
> "Mike"  wrote in message
> news:1181059373.378230.82590@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>>  wrote in message
>>>> news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the
>>>>> data
>>>>> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses
>>>>> and
>>>>> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this
>>>>> seems
>>>>> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>>> The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its
>>>> written
>>>> on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish
>>>> without
>>>> shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>>>> Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which
>>>> they do
>>>> frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual
>>>> who is
>>>> responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your
>>>> details.
>>> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
>>> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
>> members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
>> random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
>> since IT systems were introduced.
>>
>> I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
>> caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
>> for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
>> had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
>> of wrong doing.
>>
> 
> You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed on.
> 
> Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on their
> family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping them off
> New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting up
> claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people who are
> still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.
> 
> People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they are in
> India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for them,
> all with the help of bent asian JC staff.
> 

Being envious with racist comments won't get you anywhere...


-- 
Robbie

harry@by.co.uk wrote:
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data 
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and 
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
> 
> harry
> ---------------------------

The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every 
other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain 
that the information provided can be given to a variety of 
organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.

Which private organisations did you have in mind?



-- 
Robbie

On Jun 4, 4:29 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> h...@by.co.uk wrote:
> > im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> > protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> > phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> > to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > harry
> > ---------------------------
>
> The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every
> other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain
> that the information provided can be given to a variety of
> organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.
>
> Which private organisations did you have in mind?
>
> --
> Robbie

The companies the JC are passing the deatils onto are almost certainly
contracted by the DWP to carry out specific functions such as training
on behalf of the DWP.  This is entirely within the DPA.

Mike

wrote in message 
news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>

The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.

Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.

Niteawk wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
>> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
>> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
>> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>
> 
> The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
> on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
> shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
> 
> Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
> frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
> responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details. 
> 
> 

I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk! 
Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...

-- 
Robbie

On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> Niteawk wrote:
> >  wrote in message
> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written
> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without
> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>
> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do
> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is
> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.
>
> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>
> --
> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
since IT systems were introduced.

I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
of wrong doing.

Mike

"Mike"  wrote in message
news:1181059373.378230.82590@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
>> Niteawk wrote:
>> >  wrote in message
>> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the
>> >> data
>> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses
>> >> and
>> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this
>> >> seems
>> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>
>> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its
>> > written
>> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish
>> > without
>> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>>
>> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which
>> > they do
>> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual
>> > who is
>> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your
>> > details.
>>
>> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
>> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>>
>> --
>> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
> members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
> random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
> since IT systems were introduced.
>
> I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
> caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
> for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
> had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
> of wrong doing.
>

You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed on.

Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on their
family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping them off
New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting up
claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people who are
still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.

People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they are in
India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for them,
all with the help of bent asian JC staff.

On Jun 6, 1:41 pm, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> "Mike"  wrote in message
>
> news:1181059373.378230.82590@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> >> Niteawk wrote:
> >> >  wrote in message
> >> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the
> >> >> data
> >> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses
> >> >> and
> >> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this
> >> >> seems
> >> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> >> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its
> >> > written
> >> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish
> >> > without
> >> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>
> >> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which
> >> > they do
> >> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual
> >> > who is
> >> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your
> >> > details.
>
> >> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
> >> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>
> >> --
> >> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
> > members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
> > random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
> > since IT systems were introduced.
>
> > I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
> > caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
> > for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
> > had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
> > of wrong doing.
>
> You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed on.

No, I couldn't substantiate the access - almost certainly it was post
that wasn't for my section and I accessed the records saw that
forwarded on to somewhere in the DWP and so could not sustantiate the
access.  Alt I could simply have miskeyed the NINo.  Ihvae never
passed data on illegally & am hardly liklely to 'confess' to anything
illegal here.

> Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on their
> family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping them off
> New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting up
> claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people who are
> still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.
>
> People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they are in
> India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for them,
> all with the help of bent asian JC staff.- Hide quoted text -

Ahhh **itehawk, you love proving me right!  If you have 'evidence' or
genuine suspicions pass them onto the DWP, don't burble vaguely on
usenet.  When I used to deal with the public I used to get people
talking **ite like this. 'I no someone who does this that and the
other, I used to simply challenge them to put up or shut up, only one
person ever put up.

Unfortunately very few shut up .....

Mike

"Mike"  wrote in message 
news:1181137047.433399.212550@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed 
>>> on.
>
> No, I couldn't substantiate the access - almost certainly it was post
> that wasn't for my section and I accessed the records saw that
> forwarded on to somewhere in the DWP and so could not sustantiate the
> access.  Alt I could simply have miskeyed the NINo.  Ihvae never
> passed data on illegally & am hardly liklely to 'confess' to anything
> illegal here.

Of course not, why would you confess, even a moron knows when to keep quite, 
thats how easy it is to abuse the system.


>
>> Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on their
>> family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping them 
>> off
>> New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting up
>> claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people who 
>> are
>> still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.
>>
>> People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they are 
>> in
>> India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for 
>> them,
>> all with the help of bent asian JC staff.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Ahhh **itehawk, you love proving me right!  If you have 'evidence' or
> genuine suspicions pass them onto the DWP, don't burble vaguely on
> usenet.  When I used to deal with the public I used to get people
> talking **ite like this. 'I no someone who does this that and the
> other, I used to simply challenge them to put up or shut up, only one
> person ever put up.
>
> Unfortunately very few shut up .....
>

What the hell do you think this is, a court of law? I know of a couple of 
asian JC staff who were caught doing what I have said, and they were only 
caught by accident, old bill pulled them for dodgy driving and found 
numerous JSA books with fake IDs sitting in the glove box awaiting delivery 
to their mates, the rest is history.

I am sure you are aware they can only catch dodgy JC staff if they 
deliberately set out to do so, which they dont because they are too busy 
running after so called dodgy claimants while the real dodgy bastards are 
sitting right under their noses, always one step ahead.

Niteawk wrote:
> "Mike"  wrote in message
> news:1181059373.378230.82590@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>>  wrote in message
>>>> news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the
>>>>> data
>>>>> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses
>>>>> and
>>>>> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this
>>>>> seems
>>>>> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>>> The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its
>>>> written
>>>> on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish
>>>> without
>>>> shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>>>> Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which
>>>> they do
>>>> frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual
>>>> who is
>>>> responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your
>>>> details.
>>> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
>>> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
>> members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
>> random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
>> since IT systems were introduced.
>>
>> I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
>> caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
>> for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
>> had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
>> of wrong doing.
>>
> 
> You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed on.
> 
> Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on their
> family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping them off
> New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting up
> claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people who are
> still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.
> 
> People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they are in
> India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for them,
> all with the help of bent asian JC staff.
> 

Being envious with racist comments won't get you anywhere...


-- 
Robbie

On Jun 6, 5:48 pm, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> "Mike"  wrote in message
>
> news:1181137047.433399.212550@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed
> >>> on.
>
> > No, I couldn't substantiate the access - almost certainly it was post
> > that wasn't for my section and I accessed the records saw that
> > forwarded on to somewhere in the DWP and so could not sustantiate the
> > access.  Alt I could simply have miskeyed the NINo.  Ihvae never
> > passed data on illegally & am hardly liklely to 'confess' to anything
> > illegal here.
>
> Of course not, why would you confess, even a moron knows when to keep quite,
> thats how easy it is to abuse the system.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on their
> >> family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping them
> >> off
> >> New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting up
> >> claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people who
> >> are
> >> still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.
>
> >> People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they are
> >> in
> >> India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for
> >> them,
> >> all with the help of bent asian JC staff.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Ahhh **itehawk, you love proving me right!  If you have 'evidence' or
> > genuine suspicions pass them onto the DWP, don't burble vaguely on
> > usenet.  When I used to deal with the public I used to get people
> > talking **ite like this. 'I no someone who does this that and the
> > other, I used to simply challenge them to put up or shut up, only one
> > person ever put up.
>
> > Unfortunately very few shut up .....
>
> What the hell do you think this is, a court of law? I know of a couple of
> asian JC staff who were caught doing what I have said, and they were only
> caught by accident, old bill pulled them for dodgy driving and found
> numerous JSA books with fake IDs sitting in the glove box awaiting delivery
> to their mates, the rest is history.

Ahh so you only actualy know of one incident which was resolved, so
for all you no absolutely every other JC employee (including the
asians) is scrupulously honest.  I invited you to put up or shut up,
not suprisingly you did neither.

> I am sure you are aware they can only catch dodgy JC staff if they
> deliberately set out to do so, which they dont because they are too busy
> running after so called dodgy claimants while the real dodgy bastards are
> sitting right under their noses, always one step ahead.- Hide quoted text -

As well as checks on access they do investigate any allegations, I
actually know some of the people who actually conduct the
investigations, the substantive ones rather than the racist groundless
**ite you pedal.

I am pretty certain there are employees up to no good equally I am
sure that the number involved is very very small.  Sure the DWP could
do more checks to detect and deter however that costs money and the
people who make these decisions have access to dtat we do not and if
there was a cost effective basis for more checks I'm sure there would
be more.

FYI insurers actually give discounts on hse and car insurance to civil
servants based on a presumption of being honest and careful.  I assume
this is based on statistical evidence rather than assumption as
insurers tend not to give 'owt away if they can help it.

Mike

"Mike"  wrote in message 
news:1181161099.142528.105220@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 6, 5:48 pm, "Niteawk"  wrote:
>> "Mike"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1181137047.433399.212550@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>> You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed
>> >>> on.
>>
>> > No, I couldn't substantiate the access - almost certainly it was post
>> > that wasn't for my section and I accessed the records saw that
>> > forwarded on to somewhere in the DWP and so could not sustantiate the
>> > access.  Alt I could simply have miskeyed the NINo.  Ihvae never
>> > passed data on illegally & am hardly liklely to 'confess' to anything
>> > illegal here.
>>
>> Of course not, why would you confess, even a moron knows when to keep 
>> quite,
>> thats how easy it is to abuse the system.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on 
>> >> their
>> >> family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping 
>> >> them
>> >> off
>> >> New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting 
>> >> up
>> >> claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people 
>> >> who
>> >> are
>> >> still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.
>>
>> >> People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they 
>> >> are
>> >> in
>> >> India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for
>> >> them,
>> >> all with the help of bent asian JC staff.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > Ahhh **itehawk, you love proving me right!  If you have 'evidence' or
>> > genuine suspicions pass them onto the DWP, don't burble vaguely on
>> > usenet.  When I used to deal with the public I used to get people
>> > talking **ite like this. 'I no someone who does this that and the
>> > other, I used to simply challenge them to put up or shut up, only one
>> > person ever put up.
>>
>> > Unfortunately very few shut up .....
>>
>> What the hell do you think this is, a court of law? I know of a couple of
>> asian JC staff who were caught doing what I have said, and they were only
>> caught by accident, old bill pulled them for dodgy driving and found
>> numerous JSA books with fake IDs sitting in the glove box awaiting 
>> delivery
>> to their mates, the rest is history.
>
> Ahh so you only actualy know of one incident which was resolved, so
> for all you no absolutely every other JC employee (including the
> asians) is scrupulously honest.  I invited you to put up or shut up,
> not suprisingly you did neither.


Why do you keep making assumptions, you dont know what I know, end of.



>
>> I am sure you are aware they can only catch dodgy JC staff if they
>> deliberately set out to do so, which they dont because they are too busy
>> running after so called dodgy claimants while the real dodgy bastards are
>> sitting right under their noses, always one step ahead.- Hide quoted 
>> text -
>
> As well as checks on access they do investigate any allegations, I
> actually know some of the people who actually conduct the
> investigations, the substantive ones rather than the racist groundless
> **ite you pedal.

Racist! where? you bandy the word racist about yet you say your mob ignores 
any such claims. I can give you plenty of examples of racism in the JC, 
trouble is I dont carry a camcorder with me so you will just have to take my 
word for it, by the way I am not the only claimant to notice this.

The scene is in the JC, asian JC staff on duty, the queue is a mixture of 
white black and asian people, asian guy goes up, its all hello's and big 
smiles, he signs on and is away in less than 2 minutes, all his mates follow 
suit, no delays for asians. White guy goes up, no smiles, JC staff grunts 
"what have you been doing to find work" he is given the third degree, half 
an hour later he gets away.



>
> I am pretty certain there are employees up to no good equally I am
> sure that the number involved is very very small.  Sure the DWP could
> do more checks to detect and deter however that costs money and the
> people who make these decisions have access to dtat we do not and if
> there was a cost effective basis for more checks I'm sure there would
> be more.
>
> FYI insurers actually give discounts on hse and car insurance to civil
> servants based on a presumption of being honest and careful.  I assume
> this is based on statistical evidence rather than assumption as
> insurers tend not to give 'owt away if they can help it.
>

Yes I am sure you are all wonderful honest people, the trouble is not all 
claimants see it like that.

"Robbie"  wrote in message 
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> Niteawk wrote:
>> "Mike"  wrote in message
>> news:1181059373.378230.82590@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
>>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>>>  wrote in message
>>>>> news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>>> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the
>>>>>> data
>>>>>> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this
>>>>>> seems
>>>>>> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>>>> The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its
>>>>> written
>>>>> on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish
>>>>> without
>>>>> shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>>>>> Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which
>>>>> they do
>>>>> frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual
>>>>> who is
>>>>> responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your
>>>>> details.
>>>> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
>>>> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
>>> members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
>>> random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
>>> since IT systems were introduced.
>>>
>>> I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
>>> caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
>>> for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
>>> had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
>>> of wrong doing.
>>>
>>
>> You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed on.
>>
>> Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on their
>> family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping them 
>> off
>> New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting up
>> claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people who 
>> are
>> still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.
>>
>> People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they are 
>> in
>> India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for 
>> them,
>> all with the help of bent asian JC staff.
>>
>
> Being envious with racist comments won't get you anywhere...
>
>

Dont talk crap, racist indeed, talking about asians is not racist. Allow me 
give you some examples of what is considered racist these days, for future 
reference so you can tell the difference.

1. Go home nigger
2. Go home paki
3. Go home whitey
4. Gay bastard paki
5. Gay bastard nigger

These type of comments are considered racist and should never be used, I 
hasten to add that I would never use such language in the presence of asian 
black or white people.

I love all asians although I must confess to feeling a tad nervous if I am 
near one who is wearing a rucksack, its only natural given the current 
climate.

harry@by.co.uk wrote:
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data 
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and 
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
> 
> harry
> ---------------------------

The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every 
other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain 
that the information provided can be given to a variety of 
organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.

Which private organisations did you have in mind?



-- 
Robbie

On Jun 4, 4:29 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> h...@by.co.uk wrote:
> > im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> > protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> > phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> > to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > harry
> > ---------------------------
>
> The Data Protection Act applies as much to the DWP as it does to every
> other organisation. However, the back of the claim form makes it plain
> that the information provided can be given to a variety of
> organisations, in connection with various aspects of the claim.
>
> Which private organisations did you have in mind?
>
> --
> Robbie

The companies the JC are passing the deatils onto are almost certainly
contracted by the DWP to carry out specific functions such as training
on behalf of the DWP.  This is entirely within the DPA.

Mike

wrote in message 
news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>

The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.

Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.

Niteawk wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
>> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
>> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
>> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>
> 
> The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written 
> on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without 
> shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
> 
> Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do 
> frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is 
> responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details. 
> 
> 

I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk! 
Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...

-- 
Robbie

On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> Niteawk wrote:
> >  wrote in message
> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the data
> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses and
> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this seems
> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its written
> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish without
> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>
> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which they do
> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual who is
> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your details.
>
> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>
> --
> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
since IT systems were introduced.

I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
of wrong doing.

Mike

"Mike"  wrote in message
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> On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
>> Niteawk wrote:
>> >  wrote in message
>> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the
>> >> data
>> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses
>> >> and
>> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this
>> >> seems
>> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>>
>> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its
>> > written
>> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish
>> > without
>> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>>
>> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which
>> > they do
>> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual
>> > who is
>> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your
>> > details.
>>
>> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
>> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>>
>> --
>> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
> members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
> random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
> since IT systems were introduced.
>
> I heard of several cases myself where people have done this and been
> caught, sacked and prosecuted.  I have been investigated myself twice
> for unsubstantiated access to an account (basically I couldn't prove I
> had a legitimate reason to access the account) and fortunately cleared
> of wrong doing.
>

You mean you lied and they could not prove the information was passed on.

Still its not as bad as what the asian staff get up to, signing on their
family and friends who they know are working cash in hand, keeping them off
New Deal so it does not disrupt their moonlighting activities, setting up
claims for people who do not live in the UK using details of people who are
still in Pakistan and maintained by asians in the UK.

People who are supposed to be living here in the UK on JSA, but they are in
India somewhere while family and friends living in the UK signs on for them,
all with the help of bent asian JC staff.

On Jun 6, 1:41 pm, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> "Mike"  wrote in message
>
> news:1181059373.378230.82590@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 2:24 pm, Robbie  wrote:
> >> Niteawk wrote:
> >> >  wrote in message
> >> >news:MPG.20ce3d53a9e08db9899b4@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> >> im just wondering do job centers have some sort of opt out from the
> >> >> data
> >> >> protection act as they now frequently pass peoples names, addresses
> >> >> and
> >> >> phone numbers to private companies without anyones permission. this
> >> >> seems
> >> >> to make a mockery of the entire data protection concept to me.
>
> >> > The data protection act means nothing, its not worth the paper its
> >> > written
> >> > on, look at banks for eg chucking peoples details out in the rubbish
> >> > without
> >> > shredding. What happened? nothing, please dont do it again.
>
> >> > Even if the JC gives out your information to debt collectors, which
> >> > they do
> >> > frequently, how can you prove it. There is no way that an individual
> >> > who is
> >> > responsible for doing this is going to admit to passing on your
> >> > details.
>
> >> I don't think the JC gives out details to debt collectors niteawk!
> >> Unless, of course, it is debt collectors employed by the DWP...
>
> >> --
> >> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I think **itehawk is refering to the illegal passing of information by
> > members of JCP staff rather than the JC itself.  It does happen and
> > random/targetted  event checks on account access have been carried out
> > since IT systems were introduced.
>
> &g