I pay the correct weekly maintenance to the csa but thats not enough,
today they took money from my wages without notifing me not a call or
a letter

Yep that's the way this gang of shits opperate



"mike0012"  wrote in message 
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>I pay the correct weekly maintenance to the csa but thats not enough,
> today they took money from my wages without notifing me not a call or
> a letter

On 1 May, 09:23, "Fletcher"  wrote:
> Yep that's the way this gang of shits opperate
>
> "mike0012"  wrote in message
>
> news:4150bfda-4127-4260-a4ff-2d8b899539e6@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> >I pay the correct weekly maintenance to the csa but thats not enough,
> > today they took money from my wages without notifing me not a call or
> > a letter

Does anyone else feel that we have been stripped of our basic human
rights by the csa?
Child rapists, terrorists who plot to kill people in their thousands,
murderers, muggers, burglars....  they all have more recourse to a
happy life under the provisions of the European Human Rights act than
we do.
It's about time we all stood up and took this shambles to the court of
human rights!

Hear hear! I'll second that.







"JMC"  wrote in message 
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> On 1 May, 09:23, "Fletcher"  wrote:
>> Yep that's the way this gang of shits opperate
>>
>> "mike0012"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:4150bfda-4127-4260-a4ff-2d8b899539e6@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >I pay the correct weekly maintenance to the csa but thats not enough,
>> > today they took money from my wages without notifing me not a call or
>> > a letter
>
> Does anyone else feel that we have been stripped of our basic human
> rights by the csa?
> Child rapists, terrorists who plot to kill people in their thousands,
> murderers, muggers, burglars....  they all have more recourse to a
> happy life under the provisions of the European Human Rights act than
> we do.
> It's about time we all stood up and took this shambles to the court of
> human rights!

On 30 May, 13:57, "Fletcher"  wrote:
> Hear hear! I'll second that.
>
> "JMC"  wrote in message
>
> news:0e984239-5aa0-48ef-b48a-310b37a7965d@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>

I mean it though, it's a course of action that gets results for every
other piece of scum that walks the earth - so as we are treated as
lower than the most vile bastards you can think of then we must have a
rock solid case to take to the european court.  Anyone with a good
legal background know the initial route to take in presenting a case?

You're right there are several issues that could be tested in the European 
court, the removal of driving licences and inhibiting the right to work but 
more importantly when taken to court the victim has no chance of getting a 
true and just court case under UK law as the judge is specifically denied 
the opportunity to "see" all the evidence in the case, specifically anything 
dealing with the finance of the case and judges frequently state that this 
or that question is out with his jurisdiction! effectively ringfencing the 
case and also ensuring that justice has not been seen to have be done . As 
these cases are invariably about money it's easy to see why the puppet 
judges can only do the CSA bidding, their hands are tied by the politicians, 
passing sentences without seeing or hearing all the evidence, kangaroo 
courts in the truest sense of the word, making an absolute mockery of 
British justice, if you haven't seen any of these cases you should attend 
one or two just to see this injustice in action. The human right legislation 
demands everyone has an absolute right to a fair and just trial and it can 
easily be proven that this is not the case in almost any CSA show trial, we 
can document actual cases!

That said, to successfully navigate the European court system takes 3 things 
a damned good legal team that really does care and have an interest in 
winning and first they have to get past the "can't go to Europe until every 
other avenue has been exhausted" bullshit. this bit has you ping pinged back 
and forth between courts and CSA but precludes the opportunity to take it to 
Europe. Then finally it would take colossal funding that no one person has, 
fighting governments is vastly expensive, so that's why no one's tried it, 
these cases are usually because the victim has little or no money so how the 
hell can he get heard in Europe?

"JMC"  wrote in message 
news:729304a1-2e61-4583-b12f-cb71bca3ba9d@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On 30 May, 13:57, "Fletcher"  wrote:
>> Hear hear! I'll second that.
>>
>> "JMC"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:0e984239-5aa0-48ef-b48a-310b37a7965d@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>
> I mean it though, it's a course of action that gets results for every
> other piece of scum that walks the earth - so as we are treated as
> lower than the most vile bastards you can think of then we must have a
> rock solid case to take to the european court.  Anyone with a good
> legal background know the initial route to take in presenting a case?

On 31 May, 16:29, "Fletcher"  wrote:
> You're right there are several issues that could be tested in the European
> court, the removal of driving licences and inhibiting the right to work but
> more importantly when taken to court the victim has no chance of getting a
> true and just court case under UK law as the judge is specifically denied
> the opportunity to "see" all the evidence in the case, specifically anything
> dealing with the finance of the case and judges frequently state that this
> or that question is out with his jurisdiction! effectively ringfencing the
> case and also ensuring that justice has not been seen to have be done . As
> these cases are invariably about money it's easy to see why the puppet
> judges can only do the CSA bidding, their hands are tied by the politicians,
> passing sentences without seeing or hearing all the evidence, kangaroo
> courts in the truest sense of the word, making an absolute mockery of
> British justice, if you haven't seen any of these cases you should attend
> one or two just to see this injustice in action. The human right legislation
> demands everyone has an absolute right to a fair and just trial and it can
> easily be proven that this is not the case in almost any CSA show trial, we
> can document actual cases!
>
> That said, to successfully navigate the European court system takes 3 things
> a damned good legal team that really does care and have an interest in
> winning and first they have to get past the "can't go to Europe until every
> other avenue has been exhausted" bullshit. this bit has you ping pinged back
> and forth between courts and CSA but precludes the opportunity to take it to
> Europe. Then finally it would take colossal funding that no one person has,
> fighting governments is vastly expensive, so that's why no one's tried it,
> these cases are usually because the victim has little or no money so how the
> hell can he get heard in Europe?
>
> "JMC"  wrote in message
>
> news:729304a1-2e61-4583-b12f-cb71bca3ba9d@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On 30 May, 13:57, "Fletcher"  wrote:
> >> Hear hear! I'll second that.
>
> >> "JMC"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:0e984239-5aa0-48ef-b48a-310b37a7965d@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I mean it though, it's a course of action that gets results for every
> > other piece of scum that walks the earth - so as we are treated as
> > lower than the most vile bastards you can think of then we must have a
> > rock solid case to take to the european court.  Anyone with a good
> > legal background know the initial route to take in presenting a case?

I appealed against a decision made by an appeals tribunal in Telford
and after much to-ing and fro-ing had to go direct to the Child
Support Commisioner who agreed with my claims and sent it back to be
re-assessed by the tribunal.  They then over-ruled the Commissioners
decision and say that their own decision still stands.
What kind of system gives you the right of complaint to a higher
authority, then allows the lower body to over ride the decisions made
by their lords and masters.
Bloody pathetic

In article <729304a1-2e61-4583-b12f-
cb71bca3ba9d@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, flipper.sixfive@gmail.com 
says...
> On 30 May, 13:57, "Fletcher"  wrote:
> > Hear hear! I'll second that.
> >
> > "JMC"  wrote in message
> >
> > news:0e984239-5aa0-48ef-b48a-310b37a7965d@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> 
> I mean it though, it's a course of action that gets results for every
> other piece of scum that walks the earth - so as we are treated as
> lower than the most vile bastards you can think of then we must have a
> rock solid case to take to the european court.  Anyone with a good
> legal background know the initial route to take in presenting a case?
> 
Ah, yes, but think of the children.
If we don't the CSA certainly aren't.

More importantly how this type of filthy Gestapo tactitic impacts on our 
trust and belief in the entire system of governance and how we teach our 
kids, the erosion has begun, the trust is lost. The system has not only 
failed, it's utterly useless, it leaves us filled with hate and a 
determinism to tear down the entire system, each of us withdraws form it.

Already their are cracks in this tired Westminster model of governance, many 
are now recognising the exploitation and drive towards a despotic police 
state!



"JMC"  wrote in message 
news:336d76ec-e45a-467c-bcdd-eaa32f3cd99c@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On 31 May, 16:29, "Fletcher"  wrote:
>> You're right there are several issues that could be tested in the 
>> European
>> court, the removal of driving licences and inhibiting the right to work 
>> but
>> more importantly when taken to court the victim has no chance of getting 
>> a
>> true and just court case under UK law as the judge is specifically denied
>> the opportunity to "see" all the evidence in the case, specifically 
>> anything
>> dealing with the finance of the case and judges frequently state that 
>> this
>> or that question is out with his jurisdiction! effectively ringfencing 
>> the
>> case and also ensuring that justice has not been seen to have be done . 
>> As
>> these cases are invariably about money it's easy to see why the puppet
>> judges can only do the CSA bidding, their hands are tied by the 
>> politicians,
>> passing sentences without seeing or hearing all the evidence, kangaroo
>> courts in the truest sense of the word, making an absolute mockery of
>> British justice, if you haven't seen any of these cases you should attend
>> one or two just to see this injustice in action. The human right 
>> legislation
>> demands everyone has an absolute right to a fair and just trial and it 
>> can
>> easily be proven that this is not the case in almost any CSA show trial, 
>> we
>> can document actual cases!
>>
>> That said, to successfully navigate the European court system takes 3 
>> things
>> a damned good legal team that really does care and have an interest in
>> winning and first they have to get past the "can't go to Europe until 
>> every
>> other avenue has been exhausted" bullshit. this bit has you ping pinged 
>> back
>> and forth between courts and CSA but precludes the opportunity to take it 
>> to
>> Europe. Then finally it would take colossal funding that no one person 
>> has,
>> fighting governments is vastly expensive, so that's why no one's tried 
>> it,
>> these cases are usually because the victim has little or no money so how 
>> the
>> hell can he get heard in Europe?
>>
>> "JMC"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:729304a1-2e61-4583-b12f-cb71bca3ba9d@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On 30 May, 13:57, "Fletcher"  wrote:
>> >> Hear hear! I'll second that.
>>
>> >> "JMC"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:0e984239-5aa0-48ef-b48a-310b37a7965d@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > I mean it though, it's a course of action that gets results for every
>> > other piece of scum that walks the earth - so as we are treated as
>> > lower than the most vile bastards you can think of then we must have a
>> > rock solid case to take to the european court.  Anyone with a good
>> > legal background know the initial route to take in presenting a case?
>
> I appealed against a decision made by an appeals tribunal in Telford
> and after much to-ing and fro-ing had to go direct to the Child
> Support Commisioner who agreed with my claims and sent it back to be
> re-assessed by the tribunal.  They then over-ruled the Commissioners
> decision and say that their own decision still stands.
> What kind of system gives you the right of complaint to a higher
> authority, then allows the lower body to over ride the decisions made
> by their lords and masters.
> Bloody pathetic