The UK Government has, quite rightly, condemned the actions of Sudan
in their treatment of British teacher Gillian Gibbons.

However, while they are mounting their high horse and complaining
loudly about 'unfair' laws, maybe they should take time to consider
some of the equally grotesque and discriminatory practices inflicted
on their citizens in the UK by the CSA.

As a father, I have been targeted by the Government and labeled as a
'deadbeat dad'. I have been ordered to hand over so much of my income
that I will be forced into literal poverty. Despite the fact that I
have always cared and supported my child, and furthermore share the
care of him equally with my ex-wife, I'm told that I must pay again,
and a crippling arrears bill has landed on my doorstep.

No justification has been given for the amounts I have to pay. I have
no right to challenge the actions of this Government through a fair
legal process. I will lose my home and I will lose the ability to
financially support myself.

I face the prospect of having my driving licence removed, and
therefore my right to earn a living removed. I have no right to
challenge this decision in a court because the Magistrates are only
allowed to rubber-stamp CSA liability orders without question. I could
lose my passport, taking away the fundamental right of free passage in
and out of the country. Bailiffs can kick down my door and remove the
few hard-earned possessions I have managed to accumulate through the
years, selling them for pennies.
My credit rating will be ruined, removing any prospects of owning a
house in the future.

At least Gillian Sheppard appeared before a judge to argue her case. I
don't even get that privilege.

Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful not to be living in a place like
Sudan and wouldn't compare life there to life in the UK. We are all
very lucky to be living in a place where the principles of freedom and
democracy still (just about) exist. But in this case, the CSAs
practices are every bit as bad as those of East African regimes, and
that is a discraceful state of affairs in a so called 'modern' and
'civilised' country like ours.

Granted, I don't face the prospect of 40 lashes, but given the choice
between that and spending the rest of my life at the mercy of the CSA,
I'd take a whipping and get it over and done with.

Gary.

You can fight back,

You need to be self employed ands you do need to get 'organised', give away 
all your possessions legally so you effectively own nothing.

Be prepared to take them to the end of the road and be for them to start all 
over again. Effectively that means all the way to Jail, possibly twice or 
more for your beliefs, in effect your being a martyr to the cause.

If you can reach that state of mind the actual war with them become fun and 
allows you a large degree of self satisfaction and self esteem. If your 
contributing to your kids lives as I am I'll be damned if I'll pay twice and 
I'll take anything they throw at me, and I mean anything, death its self 
won't make me conform, to far down this road now to ever think of coming to 
any arrangement with these utter bastard. Over the years I've seen it all 
everything you can imagine right down to lawyer grubbing about for cash, 
judges kowtowing to Ministers, court official lying, and of course the usual 
CSA lies. So believe me when I say British law is a fucking joke when it 
comes to dealing with CSA, there is no justice in a CSA court, the judge has 
his hands firmly tied behind his back and you have no recourse to law.

The first rule of the court is the integrity of the Judge, in these case the 
judge has none, he tries to make it look legal and proper and as though its 
his court and he rules over but he knows he's a puppet  right from the start 
but he's a well paid puppet and you only have to ask one question to prove 
it. Ask the judge to carefully examine the flaws in the financial figures 
relating to your case? and he tells you point blank it's out of his 
jurisdiction and you'll have to take that up with the CSA, effectively 
referring you back to your accuser, so you have no justice! Yet the case 
carries on to the point of conviction without even that referal having any 
possibility of ever happening. How can this be considered as justice being 
done?

CSA is beyond the law of the people, CSA is the law, It sets the terms of 
the court, the laws that will be used and confines the parameters the judge 
can even ask about, and out right banns him from certain activities in there 
shody cases, it defines the sentences, demands the penalties. To all intent 
and purpose CSA judge these cases and the puppet judge just mouths the 
words, the Judge weares a csa hat.

And while all this continues the then prime minister Blair, agreed that this 
agency was not fit for purpose, that it should be closed for its failures.

So I'll die over this issue if it comes to it.

So I would encourage you to fight back, but while most guys feel they'd like 
to, think they'd like to but just don't have the will, the courage, the 
persistence or the commitment  to stand up for their convictions and 
actually fight government and this filthy judicious fucked up system.

Maybe we should start a group specifically for csa non compliance, the sum 
of the parts could be greater than the whole.



"gaz"  wrote in message 
news:05cccf69-33c9-41d7-955c-5077435d8c82@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> The UK Government has, quite rightly, condemned the actions of Sudan
> in their treatment of British teacher Gillian Gibbons.
>
> However, while they are mounting their high horse and complaining
> loudly about 'unfair' laws, maybe they should take time to consider
> some of the equally grotesque and discriminatory practices inflicted
> on their citizens in the UK by the CSA.
>
> As a father, I have been targeted by the Government and labeled as a
> 'deadbeat dad'. I have been ordered to hand over so much of my income
> that I will be forced into literal poverty. Despite the fact that I
> have always cared and supported my child, and furthermore share the
> care of him equally with my ex-wife, I'm told that I must pay again,
> and a crippling arrears bill has landed on my doorstep.
>
> No justification has been given for the amounts I have to pay. I have
> no right to challenge the actions of this Government through a fair
> legal process. I will lose my home and I will lose the ability to
> financially support myself.
>
> I face the prospect of having my driving licence removed, and
> therefore my right to earn a living removed. I have no right to
> challenge this decision in a court because the Magistrates are only
> allowed to rubber-stamp CSA liability orders without question. I could
> lose my passport, taking away the fundamental right of free passage in
> and out of the country. Bailiffs can kick down my door and remove the
> few hard-earned possessions I have managed to accumulate through the
> years, selling them for pennies.
> My credit rating will be ruined, removing any prospects of owning a
> house in the future.
>
> At least Gillian Sheppard appeared before a judge to argue her case. I
> don't even get that privilege.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful not to be living in a place like
> Sudan and wouldn't compare life there to life in the UK. We are all
> very lucky to be living in a place where the principles of freedom and
> democracy still (just about) exist. But in this case, the CSAs
> practices are every bit as bad as those of East African regimes, and
> that is a discraceful state of affairs in a so called 'modern' and
> 'civilised' country like ours.
>
> Granted, I don't face the prospect of 40 lashes, but given the choice
> between that and spending the rest of my life at the mercy of the CSA,
> I'd take a whipping and get it over and done with.
>
> Gary.