Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?

say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim money 
for the first 12 months ?

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
> money for the first 12 months ?
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has
> to go through them ? (just to clarify)

James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
another reason for your question.

Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
made aware by CSA
that they have an interest in you".

This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.

If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
you will owe it all again.

This has happened to far too many people - beware.

Legaly they can only make demands from the time they first make contact with 
you the payer so you'll owe from that date only.

Don't worry about any money you have paid your ex, thats gone and if their 
is any overlap then you will probably have to pay CSA again. Your Ex canont 
divulge that you gave her anything as she would be guilty of committing 
fraud if she failed to declare it to the benefits agency.

Crazy I know but thats how this particular Gestapo trick works!



 wrote in message 
news:1187106042.770780.76220@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>>
>> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
>> has
>> to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
> James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
> another reason for your question.
>
> Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
> made aware by CSA
> that they have an interest in you".
>
> This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.
>
> If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
> this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
> the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
> you will owe it all again.
>
> This has happened to far too many people - beware.
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
> money for the first 12 months ?
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has
> to go through them ? (just to clarify)

James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
another reason for your question.

Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
made aware by CSA
that they have an interest in you".

This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.

If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
you will owe it all again.

This has happened to far too many people - beware.

Legaly they can only make demands from the time they first make contact with 
you the payer so you'll owe from that date only.

Don't worry about any money you have paid your ex, thats gone and if their 
is any overlap then you will probably have to pay CSA again. Your Ex canont 
divulge that you gave her anything as she would be guilty of committing 
fraud if she failed to declare it to the benefits agency.

Crazy I know but thats how this particular Gestapo trick works!



 wrote in message 
news:1187106042.770780.76220@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>>
>> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
>> has
>> to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
> James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
> another reason for your question.
>
> Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
> made aware by CSA
> that they have an interest in you".
>
> This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.
>
> If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
> this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
> the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
> you will owe it all again.
>
> This has happened to far too many people - beware.
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
> money for the first 12 months ?
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has
> to go through them ? (just to clarify)

James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
another reason for your question.

Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
made aware by CSA
that they have an interest in you".

This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.

If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
you will owe it all again.

This has happened to far too many people - beware.

Legaly they can only make demands from the time they first make contact with 
you the payer so you'll owe from that date only.

Don't worry about any money you have paid your ex, thats gone and if their 
is any overlap then you will probably have to pay CSA again. Your Ex canont 
divulge that you gave her anything as she would be guilty of committing 
fraud if she failed to declare it to the benefits agency.

Crazy I know but thats how this particular Gestapo trick works!



 wrote in message 
news:1187106042.770780.76220@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>>
>> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
>> has
>> to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
> James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
> another reason for your question.
>
> Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
> made aware by CSA
> that they have an interest in you".
>
> This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.
>
> If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
> this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
> the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
> you will owe it all again.
>
> This has happened to far too many people - beware.
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
> money for the first 12 months ?
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has
> to go through them ? (just to clarify)

James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
another reason for your question.

Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
made aware by CSA
that they have an interest in you".

This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.

If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
you will owe it all again.

This has happened to far too many people - beware.

Legaly they can only make demands from the time they first make contact with 
you the payer so you'll owe from that date only.

Don't worry about any money you have paid your ex, thats gone and if their 
is any overlap then you will probably have to pay CSA again. Your Ex canont 
divulge that you gave her anything as she would be guilty of committing 
fraud if she failed to declare it to the benefits agency.

Crazy I know but thats how this particular Gestapo trick works!



 wrote in message 
news:1187106042.770780.76220@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>>
>> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
>> has
>> to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
> James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
> another reason for your question.
>
> Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
> made aware by CSA
> that they have an interest in you".
>
> This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.
>
> If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
> this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
> the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
> you will owe it all again.
>
> This has happened to far too many people - beware.
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
> money for the first 12 months ?
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has
> to go through them ? (just to clarify)

James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
another reason for your question.

Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
made aware by CSA
that they have an interest in you".

This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.

If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
you will owe it all again.

This has happened to far too many people - beware.

Legaly they can only make demands from the time they first make contact with 
you the payer so you'll owe from that date only.

Don't worry about any money you have paid your ex, thats gone and if their 
is any overlap then you will probably have to pay CSA again. Your Ex canont 
divulge that you gave her anything as she would be guilty of committing 
fraud if she failed to declare it to the benefits agency.

Crazy I know but thats how this particular Gestapo trick works!



 wrote in message 
news:1187106042.770780.76220@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>>
>> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
>> has
>> to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
> James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
> another reason for your question.
>
> Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
> made aware by CSA
> that they have an interest in you".
>
> This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.
>
> If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
> this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
> the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
> you will owe it all again.
>
> This has happened to far too many people - beware.
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
> money for the first 12 months ?
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has
> to go through them ? (just to clarify)

James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
another reason for your question.

Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
made aware by CSA
that they have an interest in you".

This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.

If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
you will owe it all again.

This has happened to far too many people - beware.

Legaly they can only make demands from the time they first make contact with 
you the payer so you'll owe from that date only.

Don't worry about any money you have paid your ex, thats gone and if their 
is any overlap then you will probably have to pay CSA again. Your Ex canont 
divulge that you gave her anything as she would be guilty of committing 
fraud if she failed to declare it to the benefits agency.

Crazy I know but thats how this particular Gestapo trick works!



 wrote in message 
news:1187106042.770780.76220@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>>
>> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
>> has
>> to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
> James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
> another reason for your question.
>
> Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
> made aware by CSA
> that they have an interest in you".
>
> This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.
>
> If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
> this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
> the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
> you will owe it all again.
>
> This has happened to far too many people - beware.
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
> money for the first 12 months ?
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has
> to go through them ? (just to clarify)

James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
another reason for your question.

Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
made aware by CSA
that they have an interest in you".

This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.

If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
you will owe it all again.

This has happened to far too many people - beware.

Legaly they can only make demands from the time they first make contact with 
you the payer so you'll owe from that date only.

Don't worry about any money you have paid your ex, thats gone and if their 
is any overlap then you will probably have to pay CSA again. Your Ex canont 
divulge that you gave her anything as she would be guilty of committing 
fraud if she failed to declare it to the benefits agency.

Crazy I know but thats how this particular Gestapo trick works!



 wrote in message 
news:1187106042.770780.76220@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>>
>> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
>> has
>> to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
> James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
> another reason for your question.
>
> Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
> made aware by CSA
> that they have an interest in you".
>
> This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.
>
> If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
> this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
> the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
> you will owe it all again.
>
> This has happened to far too many people - beware.
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
> money for the first 12 months ?
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has
> to go through them ? (just to clarify)

James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
another reason for your question.

Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
made aware by CSA
that they have an interest in you".

This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.

If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
you will owe it all again.

This has happened to far too many people - beware.

Legaly they can only make demands from the time they first make contact with 
you the payer so you'll owe from that date only.

Don't worry about any money you have paid your ex, thats gone and if their 
is any overlap then you will probably have to pay CSA again. Your Ex canont 
divulge that you gave her anything as she would be guilty of committing 
fraud if she failed to declare it to the benefits agency.

Crazy I know but thats how this particular Gestapo trick works!



 wrote in message 
news:1187106042.770780.76220@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>>
>> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
>> has
>> to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
> James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
> another reason for your question.
>
> Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
> made aware by CSA
> that they have an interest in you".
>
> This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.
>
> If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
> this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
> the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
> you will owe it all again.
>
> This has happened to far too many people - beware.
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
> money for the first 12 months ?
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has
> to go through them ? (just to clarify)

James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
another reason for your question.

Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
made aware by CSA
that they have an interest in you".

This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.

If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
you will owe it all again.

This has happened to far too many people - beware.

Legaly they can only make demands from the time they first make contact with 
you the payer so you'll owe from that date only.

Don't worry about any money you have paid your ex, thats gone and if their 
is any overlap then you will probably have to pay CSA again. Your Ex canont 
divulge that you gave her anything as she would be guilty of committing 
fraud if she failed to declare it to the benefits agency.

Crazy I know but thats how this particular Gestapo trick works!



 wrote in message 
news:1187106042.770780.76220@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>>
>> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
>> has
>> to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
> James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
> another reason for your question.
>
> Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
> made aware by CSA
> that they have an interest in you".
>
> This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.
>
> If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
> this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
> the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
> you will owe it all again.
>
> This has happened to far too many people - beware.
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
> money for the first 12 months ?
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has
> to go through them ? (just to clarify)

James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
another reason for your question.

Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
made aware by CSA
that they have an interest in you".

This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.

If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
you will owe it all again.

This has happened to far too many people - beware.

Legaly they can only make demands from the time they first make contact with 
you the payer so you'll owe from that date only.

Don't worry about any money you have paid your ex, thats gone and if their 
is any overlap then you will probably have to pay CSA again. Your Ex canont 
divulge that you gave her anything as she would be guilty of committing 
fraud if she failed to declare it to the benefits agency.

Crazy I know but thats how this particular Gestapo trick works!



 wrote in message 
news:1187106042.770780.76220@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>>
>> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
>> has
>> to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
> James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
> another reason for your question.
>
> Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
> made aware by CSA
> that they have an interest in you".
>
> This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.
>
> If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
> this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
> the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
> you will owe it all again.
>
> This has happened to far too many people - beware.
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>

"Toffee"  wrote in message 
news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
> that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does 
> not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you 
> over the phone.
>
> "James"  wrote in message 
> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>>
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>
>

Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.

So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has 
to go through them ? (just to clarify)

Yes while shes on benefit you must pay CSA, anything you give her is a gift 
and will make no difference to what CSA take of you while your on benefit or 
even if you start back to work. You can only have an agreement if she is not 
claiming benefits.

Don't rush back to work before doing the maths, make sure any wage your 
going to get is enogh to live on after they deduct tax, ni, any pension plan 
and what you will have to pay CSA, 15% (for one child) of your net take 
home.


"James"  wrote in message 
news:CY6dncVgHrRhCl3bnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Toffee"  wrote in message 
> news:lx0wi.13794$ph7.11185@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by 
>> CSA that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described 
>> does not count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact 
>> you over the phone.
>>
>> "James"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean 
>>> ?
>>>
>>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
>>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
> has to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
>

On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
> money for the first 12 months ?
>
> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>
> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it has
> to go through them ? (just to clarify)

James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
another reason for your question.

Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
made aware by CSA
that they have an interest in you".

This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.

If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
you will owe it all again.

This has happened to far too many people - beware.

Legaly they can only make demands from the time they first make contact with 
you the payer so you'll owe from that date only.

Don't worry about any money you have paid your ex, thats gone and if their 
is any overlap then you will probably have to pay CSA again. Your Ex canont 
divulge that you gave her anything as she would be guilty of committing 
fraud if she failed to declare it to the benefits agency.

Crazy I know but thats how this particular Gestapo trick works!



 wrote in message 
news:1187106042.770780.76220@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "James"  wrote:
>> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim
>> money for the first 12 months ?
>>
>> Thanks Toffee for both your posts they've helped a lot.
>>
>> So under the guidelines I cannot have an agreement between her and me it 
>> has
>> to go through them ? (just to clarify)
>
> James, just a word of caution as I'm not exactly sure if there is
> another reason for your question.
>
> Toffee said "No, only from the point that you as the father are first
> made aware by CSA
> that they have an interest in you".
>
> This is the sensible answer but I'm not sure it happens in practice.
>
> If you have been paying cash, and you have no proof that you have paid
> this money (i.e. you are not getting a receipt) at some/any time in
> the future the CSA/your ex could say you haven't paid anything. And
> you will owe it all again.
>
> This has happened to far too many people - beware.
>

No, only from the point that you as the father are first made aware by CSA 
that they have an interest in you.  What you have already described does not 
count, they either have to send you a form to fill in or contact you over 
the phone.

"James"  wrote in message 
news:Z7edneyol8r1Hl3bnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com...
> Can they claim money from before a claim is made if you get what I mean ?
>
> say child 1 is 12 months only ... claim goes in now ... can they claim 
> money for the first 12 months ?
>