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date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:25:45 +0100,    group: uk.gov.agency.csa        back       
>>>Fletchers short answer:   
Q. When will all this happen?
A. None of these changes will happen immediately. The new organisation and 
the changes to the rules will be introduced in stages over several years.

An expected timetable for change is as follows.

>>>Fletchers short answer: Fucking never, like cs2 it'll be a balls up

2007-2008
A Bill will be introduced to Parliament to reform the child maintenance 
system. Key appointments will be made on a provisional basis pending Royal 
Assent to ensure that the Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission's 
prospective Board members can input into the preparatory work necessary to 
launch the new organisation. Investment in the Operational Improvement Plan 
will continue, improving performance for parents using the existing 
arrangements.

>>>Fletchers short answer: improving performance? don't make me laugh

2008-2009
The Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission will be in place with 
statutory authority. Its priorities will be to:

  a.. take responsibility for existing Child Support Agency operations and 
start the procurement of new services
  b.. use the new powers for enforcement and collection to ensure more 
non-resident parents pay maintenance - delivering more money for more 
children
  c.. put in place new information and guidance services to support parents 
in making an informed choice
  d.. help parents to make an active choice by removing the requirement that 
parents with care who claim benefits be treated as applying for child 
maintenance. Also ensuring, with Jobcentre Plus, that all parents with care 
can take advantage of the £10 a week benefit disregard where maintenance is 
being paid, by extending this to cases on the original maintenance scheme.
>>>Fletchers short answer: yeh, £10.00 while the treasury steals hundres 
>>>from the NRP and all his children!
2009-2010
  a.. Parents will be supported to make choices - existing clients will have 
the options available outlined to them, either to make private arrangements 
or where both parents agree, continuing with their current arrangements 
supported by a simple cash transfer service or becoming a client of the new 
system.
>>>Fletchers short answer: er victim of the new system in other words if she 
>>>want to give him gip she just says no, just exactly like today, nothing 
>>>is changing
2010-2011
  a.. New applications will be accepted under the new assessment regime. The 
significantly higher disregard for all parents with care claiming benefits 
will be introduced and the transfer process for existing clients will begin. 
The transfer period is expected to take around three years.
>>>Fletchers short answer: ha ha ha ha only 3, your kidding me right?
2012-2013
  a.. All clients will be on a single set of rules managed by a single 
organisation.
>>>Fletchers short answer: Yeh just like you promised in 2003? Untill 2085 
>>>we'll have three systems runnin then eh CS1, CS2, CS3, (NEW DISGUISED 
>>>NAME OF CESS)
Q. What will happen to my case?
A. For now there will be no changes to your case. We have already shown an 
improving service through the Operational Improvement Plan and we will 
continue to improve our services.

We will let you know if there will be any changes to your case.

>>>Fletchers short answer: Well theres a surprise, no change eh, they forgot 
>>>to mention 'EVER'

Will the CSA be closed?
A. The new organisation will take responsibility for the Child Support 
Agency's work starting in 2008. In the meantime, cases will continue to be 
processed as usual.

>>>Fletchers short answer: No. That was just a another governmental lie to 
>>>full the public who wre begining to catch onto what the gestapo actually 
>>>do.

Q    I will want to move on to the new and simplified assessment scheme - 
how will my case transfer?
A. Where parents wish to transfer to the future system, minimising 
disruption for parents and providing continuity of service during the 
transfer period is essential. The new organisation will develop the detailed 
proposals for moving existing cases forward.

This move is expected to start in 2010-11 and to take around three years to 
complete.

>>>Fletchers short answer: Forget it it'll never happen, your kids will be 
>>>grandparents first!

I am a benefit claimant and want to set up a private arrangement - can I do 
this now?
A. Not yet.

You will not be able to do this until the new law and information and 
guidance system is in place. At this point those parents with care claiming 
benefits will have the opportunity to move to their own maintenance 
arrangements. Until then the current arrangements will continue.

>>>Fletchers short answer: Definatly not. The treasury make too much cash of 
>>>the higher earning NRP's to let you and your kids have it

Q. When will I be able to keep more of the money paid as child maintenance?
A. During 2008-09 the Government plans to extend the £10 benefit disregard 
to cases on the original child maintenance scheme so that all parents with 
care claiming benefits can keep the first £10 per week of child maintenance 
paid.

>>>Fletchers short answer: OH WHAW eh, a tenner, really tell how much are 
>>>you paying ouyr in bonuses was that around a million quid a year to CSA 
>>>staff?

From 2010-11 the Government proposes to significantly increase the amount of 
child maintenance that parents with care on benefit can keep before it 
affects the level of benefits they receive.

>>>Fletchers short answer: yeh right like £10.25 fuck off

Q Will I have to pay to use the new organisation?
A. In some cases the Government may charge people to use the new 
organisation. Final decisions on the detail of this will be made nearer the 
time but our current intention is to charge from the earliest possible 
opportunity to ensure that the incentives for non-resident parents to meet 
their responsibilities are in place.

>>>Fletchers short answer: Well the teasury needs its cut to pay those 
>>>bonuses and Nasy PWC need another spike to jag the NRP with

Q Will I still deal with the Child Support Agency?
A. Yes, in the immediate future you will continue to deal with the Child 
Support Agency.

In 2008-09 the Government will establish the new organisation which will 
take responsibility for existing Child Support Agency operations, this will 
be known as the 'Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission'.

>>>Fletchers short answer: or C-MESS as youll see it will live up to its 
>>>nickname

Q Will it affect how I receive my payments?
A. No, not in the immediate future.

>>>Fletchers short answer: No the fuckups will start later when they move 
>>>systems

Q Can I still make a claim and how do I do this?
A. Yes, the process for making a claim has not changed.

>>>Fletchers short answer: yhe right nothings fucking changed except more 
>>>thing to give dad a good kicking with right!

Q What happens if my circumstances change?
A. You should continue to report any changes of circumstances in the normal 
way.

>>>Fletchers short answer: and that will be ignored as usual

Q My ex-partner says there is no point in paying child maintenance now. Do 
they still have to?
A. Yes - most definitely.

During the period where the Government are setting up the new organisation 
we will continue to increase our focus on compliance and enforcement as part 
of the improvements to our service we have already made, and are continuing 
to make, as part of the Operational Improvement Plan.

>>>Fletchers short answer: oh yes or we'll beat the living fuck out of you

Q My ex-partner owes me a lot of money in child maintenance - will this be 
written off under the new proposals?
A. There is no question of allowing non-resident parents who are able to pay 
to escape their responsibilities. The Government are introducing tougher 
enforcement capabilities which are aimed at making significant inroads into 
existing debt.

>>>Fletchers short answer: yeh they've already written of billions on the 
>>>hard to trace cases so its onlt soft targets that are left now.

The Government have decided against seeking a power to write-off debt that 
may appear to be irrecoverable. But, there are some very limited 
circumstances where it is appropriate to write off debts or revalue some 
overstated debts. Where debt is due to be paid to the parent with care a 
decision to accept a lesser amount will only be taken with the parent with 
care's agreement.

>>>Fletchers short answer: Well again its a case of rules for some and... 
>>>you know all amimals are equal but some are more equal than others sort 
>>>of thing and we are government after all we can do as we please really.

Q My ex-partner has an interim maintenance assessment which they have never 
paid for years - so why are you going to reduce the arrears they have to 
pay?
A. Punitive interim maintenance assessments were intended to encourage 
non-resident parents to comply and co-operate with the Child Support 
Agency.In practice this did not have the desired effect - many non-resident 
parents continued to evade their responsibilities.

>>>Fletchers short answer: We'll love you see wqe actually tell a lot of 
>>>lies when we make these assesment to terrorise our victim into coughing 
>>>up some cash but the poor fucker committed suicide, emigrated, went 
>>>unemployed, selfemployed or just deid with the prospect of working to 
>>>starve in the uk

The reason we're re-assessing the rate is to produce a more realistic figure 
that reflects the amount of child maintenance that would have been due had 
the Child Support Agency been able to complete a Full Maintenance 
Assessment, based on the non-resident parent's circumstances. We will 
revalue punitive Interim Maintenance Assessment debts so that they more 
realistically reflect parents' ability to pay. This will provide a stronger 
basis for the Child Support Agency and Child Maintenance and Enforcement 
Commission to chase down those debts and get money flowing to parents with 
care.

>>>Fletchers short answer: Now we think we the have fine tuned it to get the 
>>>maximum squeeze without killing the golden goose, good eh!

My case is still on the 'old scheme' - will this now transfer to the new 
scheme?
A. No.

>>>Fletchers short answer:Don't be fucking silly, you should know by now we 
>>>like running several systems and haveing wide cash discrepences for 
>>>people in similar circumstances. So now we can have threesystems with a 
>>>vide variety of option, variances,departures so in effect 10 dads in the 
>>>same job with same no of kids could all be paying diffrent amounts. We 
>>>don't make any effort to be fare, formalas on cs1 % net cs2 %gross cs3 we 
>>>take what we like.

We have always said that we could not consider transferring the bulk of the 
'old scheme' cases onto the current scheme introduced in 2003 until that 
scheme was working well.

>>>Fletchers short answer: yeh right so you lied, failed and stole!

The Government will move to establish the new organisation in 2008-09 and we 
expect to start moving cases over to the new scheme in 2010-11. The transfer 
process is expected to take around three years.

>>>Fletchers short answer: Fuck off, talk sense

The new organisation will develop the detailed proposals for moving existing 
cases forward and we will keep clients informed as decisions are made.

>>>Fletchers short answer: Yeh right!
date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:25:45 +0100   author:   Fletcher

Re: >>>Fletchers short answer:   
"Fletcher"  wrote in message 
news:rKydnTSSJYOkPgHbnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@giganews.com...

> 2007-2008
> A Bill will be introduced to Parliament to reform the child maintenance 
> system. Key appointments will be blah blah blah blah

After 10 years on CS1 paying nearly £700pm, living on the breadline, no 
change for me.

> 2008-2009
> The Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission will be blah blah

Still paying nearly £700pm on CS1, still no change for me.

> 2010-2011
>  a.. New applications will be accepted under blah blah blah
>
> We will let you know if there will be any changes to your case.

Bet i don't get moved over to CS3 like i didn't get moved over to CS2, 
£700pm on CS1 yet still no change for me.

2012-2013

Youngest child 18/19 years old.

The End.

Strange how all the high payers will be kept on CS1 isn't it?

i won't forget this.
date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:42:12 +0100   author:   Brian

Re: >>>Fletchers short answer:   
"Fletcher"  wrote in message 
news:rKydnTSSJYOkPgHbnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@giganews.com...

> 2007-2008
> A Bill will be introduced to Parliament to reform the child maintenance 
> system. Key appointments will be blah blah blah blah

After 10 years on CS1 paying nearly £700pm, living on the breadline, no 
change for me.

> 2008-2009
> The Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission will be blah blah

Still paying nearly £700pm on CS1, still no change for me.

> 2010-2011
>  a.. New applications will be accepted under blah blah blah
>
> We will let you know if there will be any changes to your case.

Bet i don't get moved over to CS3 like i didn't get moved over to CS2, 
£700pm on CS1 yet still no change for me.

2012-2013

Youngest child 18/19 years old.

The End.

Strange how all the high payers will be kept on CS1 isn't it?

i won't forget this.
date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:42:12 +0100   author:   Brian

Re: >>>Fletchers short answer:   
"Fletcher"  wrote in message 
news:rKydnTSSJYOkPgHbnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@giganews.com...

> 2007-2008
> A Bill will be introduced to Parliament to reform the child maintenance 
> system. Key appointments will be blah blah blah blah

After 10 years on CS1 paying nearly £700pm, living on the breadline, no 
change for me.

> 2008-2009
> The Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission will be blah blah

Still paying nearly £700pm on CS1, still no change for me.

> 2010-2011
>  a.. New applications will be accepted under blah blah blah
>
> We will let you know if there will be any changes to your case.

Bet i don't get moved over to CS3 like i didn't get moved over to CS2, 
£700pm on CS1 yet still no change for me.

2012-2013

Youngest child 18/19 years old.

The End.

Strange how all the high payers will be kept on CS1 isn't it?

i won't forget this.
date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:42:12 +0100   author:   Brian

Re: >>>Fletchers short answer:   
I was assessed just after CS2 was supposed to be introduced.

As it was delayed I was assessed on CS1.

I'm paying about £100/month more than I would have under CS2.

She's on benefits so gets nothing from my money and i've paid about
£6000 more on Cs1 than I would have done on CS2 since i've been caught
up in this crap.

With no hope of ever getting on the new system.

Roll on next year when I can get out of this shithole country and the
shithole that my hometown an ex-english town has become.

Fletcher what's the best way to get a nil assessment before i go.

Gary
date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:08:00 -0700   author:   sawutdee1

Re: >>>Fletchers short answer:   
"Fletcher"  wrote in message 
news:rKydnTSSJYOkPgHbnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@giganews.com...

> 2007-2008
> A Bill will be introduced to Parliament to reform the child maintenance 
> system. Key appointments will be blah blah blah blah

After 10 years on CS1 paying nearly £700pm, living on the breadline, no 
change for me.

> 2008-2009
> The Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission will be blah blah

Still paying nearly £700pm on CS1, still no change for me.

> 2010-2011
>  a.. New applications will be accepted under blah blah blah
>
> We will let you know if there will be any changes to your case.

Bet i don't get moved over to CS3 like i didn't get moved over to CS2, 
£700pm on CS1 yet still no change for me.

2012-2013

Youngest child 18/19 years old.

The End.

Strange how all the high payers will be kept on CS1 isn't it?

i won't forget this.
date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:42:12 +0100   author:   Brian

Re: >>>Fletchers short answer:   
I was assessed just after CS2 was supposed to be introduced.

As it was delayed I was assessed on CS1.

I'm paying about £100/month more than I would have under CS2.

She's on benefits so gets nothing from my money and i've paid about
£6000 more on Cs1 than I would have done on CS2 since i've been caught
up in this crap.

With no hope of ever getting on the new system.

Roll on next year when I can get out of this shithole country and the
shithole that my hometown an ex-english town has become.

Fletcher what's the best way to get a nil assessment before i go.

Gary
date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:08:00 -0700   author:   sawutdee1

Re: >>>Fletchers short answer:   
Become unemployed, have no income. Write and phone them until they reasses 
you at nill and you have it in writing. Don't tell them where your going 
either then leave.

Good luck hope it's somewhere warm and sunny


"sawutdee1"  wrote in message 
news:1184753280.674248.100180@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
I was assessed just after CS2 was supposed to be introduced.

As it was delayed I was assessed on CS1.

I'm paying about £100/month more than I would have under CS2.

She's on benefits so gets nothing from my money and i've paid about
£6000 more on Cs1 than I would have done on CS2 since i've been caught
up in this crap.

With no hope of ever getting on the new system.

Roll on next year when I can get out of this shithole country and the
shithole that my hometown an ex-english town has become.

Fletcher what's the best way to get a nil assessment before i go.

Gary
date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:07:54 +0100   author:   Fletcher

Re: >>>Fletchers short answer:   
"Fletcher"  wrote in message 
news:rKydnTSSJYOkPgHbnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@giganews.com...

> 2007-2008
> A Bill will be introduced to Parliament to reform the child maintenance 
> system. Key appointments will be blah blah blah blah

After 10 years on CS1 paying nearly £700pm, living on the breadline, no 
change for me.

> 2008-2009
> The Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission will be blah blah

Still paying nearly £700pm on CS1, still no change for me.

> 2010-2011
>  a.. New applications will be accepted under blah blah blah
>
> We will let you know if there will be any changes to your case.

Bet i don't get moved over to CS3 like i didn't get moved over to CS2, 
£700pm on CS1 yet still no change for me.

2012-2013

Youngest child 18/19 years old.

The End.

Strange how all the high payers will be kept on CS1 isn't it?

i won't forget this.
date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:42:12 +0100   author:   Brian

Re: >>>Fletchers short answer:   
I was assessed just after CS2 was supposed to be introduced.

As it was delayed I was assessed on CS1.

I'm paying about £100/month more than I would have under CS2.

She's on benefits so gets nothing from my money and i've paid about
£6000 more on Cs1 than I would have done on CS2 since i've been caught
up in this crap.

With no hope of ever getting on the new system.

Roll on next year when I can get out of this shithole country and the
shithole that my hometown an ex-english town has become.

Fletcher what's the best way to get a nil assessment before i go.

Gary
date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:08:00 -0700   author:   sawutdee1

Re: >>>Fletchers short answer:   
Become unemployed, have no income. Write and phone them until they reasses 
you at nill and you have it in writing. Don't tell them where your going 
either then leave.

Good luck hope it's somewhere warm and sunny


"sawutdee1"  wrote in message 
news:1184753280.674248.100180@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
I was assessed just after CS2 was supposed to be introduced.

As it was delayed I was assessed on CS1.

I'm paying about £100/month more than I would have under CS2.

She's on benefits so gets nothing from my money and i've paid about
£6000 more on Cs1 than I would have done on CS2 since i've been caught
up in this crap.

With no hope of ever getting on the new system.

Roll on next year when I can get out of this shithole country and the
shithole that my hometown an ex-english town has become.

Fletcher what's the best way to get a nil assessment before i go.

Gary
date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:07:54 +0100   author:   Fletcher

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