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date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:36:56 -0700,
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Monthly Ammounts
How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
They don't do the sensible :-
ammount / 7 = daily
daily * 365.25 = yearly
yearly/12 = monthly
I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
its a different answer !!
Rick
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:36:56 -0700
author: Rick
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
basis for the likes of shared care.
"Rick" wrote in message
news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>
> They don't do the sensible :-
> ammount / 7 = daily
> daily * 365.25 = yearly
> yearly/12 = monthly
>
> I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
> 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>
> Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>
> I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
> monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>
> Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
> its a different answer !!
>
> Rick
>
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:16:08 GMT
author: Toffee
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
For CS2 the monthly account is worked out slightly differently. The
calculation will produce 1 monthly amount which is slightly different to the
remaining 11 months. Its worked out the same as your council tax, with 1
odd month and 11 equal monthly amounts. and the one odd month is calculated
depending on whether the case is under a 48 week year or 53 week year
(although how they come up with that is anyone's guess!)
For a standard 52 week year, you need to look at your weekly liability
calculated over a whole year. (ie x 52) Then you work out 4 x weekly
liability - take that away from the yearly amount - and divide the remaining
balance by 11.
I am sure there is some logical excuse as to why they go through this long
winded process.
NACSA CHAIR
--
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454,
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"Toffee" wrote in message
news:sWdii.10214$%Z3.6942@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
>
> It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
> basis for the likes of shared care.
>
> "Rick" wrote in message
> news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>>
>> They don't do the sensible :-
>> ammount / 7 = daily
>> daily * 365.25 = yearly
>> yearly/12 = monthly
>>
>> I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
>> 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>>
>> Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>>
>> I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
>> monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>>
>> Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
>> its a different answer !!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>
>
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:13:14 GMT
author: NACSA CHAIR
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Re: Monthly Ammounts
On 2 Jul, 22:16, "Toffee" wrote:
> Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
>
> It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
> basis for the likes of shared care.
>
> "Rick" wrote in message
>
> news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>
> > They don't do the sensible :-
> > ammount / 7 = daily
> > daily * 365.25 = yearly
> > yearly/12 = monthly
>
> > I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
> > 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>
> > Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>
> > I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
> > monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>
> > Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
> > its a different answer !!
>
> > Rick- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
But there are not 52 weeks in a year
date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:28:07 -0700
author: Rick
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
basis for the likes of shared care.
"Rick" wrote in message
news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>
> They don't do the sensible :-
> ammount / 7 = daily
> daily * 365.25 = yearly
> yearly/12 = monthly
>
> I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
> 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>
> Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>
> I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
> monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>
> Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
> its a different answer !!
>
> Rick
>
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:16:08 GMT
author: Toffee
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
For CS2 the monthly account is worked out slightly differently. The
calculation will produce 1 monthly amount which is slightly different to the
remaining 11 months. Its worked out the same as your council tax, with 1
odd month and 11 equal monthly amounts. and the one odd month is calculated
depending on whether the case is under a 48 week year or 53 week year
(although how they come up with that is anyone's guess!)
For a standard 52 week year, you need to look at your weekly liability
calculated over a whole year. (ie x 52) Then you work out 4 x weekly
liability - take that away from the yearly amount - and divide the remaining
balance by 11.
I am sure there is some logical excuse as to why they go through this long
winded process.
NACSA CHAIR
--
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454,
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"Toffee" wrote in message
news:sWdii.10214$%Z3.6942@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
>
> It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
> basis for the likes of shared care.
>
> "Rick" wrote in message
> news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>>
>> They don't do the sensible :-
>> ammount / 7 = daily
>> daily * 365.25 = yearly
>> yearly/12 = monthly
>>
>> I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
>> 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>>
>> Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>>
>> I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
>> monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>>
>> Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
>> its a different answer !!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>
>
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:13:14 GMT
author: NACSA CHAIR
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
On 2 Jul, 22:16, "Toffee" wrote:
> Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
>
> It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
> basis for the likes of shared care.
>
> "Rick" wrote in message
>
> news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>
> > They don't do the sensible :-
> > ammount / 7 = daily
> > daily * 365.25 = yearly
> > yearly/12 = monthly
>
> > I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
> > 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>
> > Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>
> > I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
> > monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>
> > Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
> > its a different answer !!
>
> > Rick- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
But there are not 52 weeks in a year
date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:28:07 -0700
author: Rick
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
basis for the likes of shared care.
"Rick" wrote in message
news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>
> They don't do the sensible :-
> ammount / 7 = daily
> daily * 365.25 = yearly
> yearly/12 = monthly
>
> I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
> 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>
> Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>
> I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
> monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>
> Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
> its a different answer !!
>
> Rick
>
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:16:08 GMT
author: Toffee
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
For CS2 the monthly account is worked out slightly differently. The
calculation will produce 1 monthly amount which is slightly different to the
remaining 11 months. Its worked out the same as your council tax, with 1
odd month and 11 equal monthly amounts. and the one odd month is calculated
depending on whether the case is under a 48 week year or 53 week year
(although how they come up with that is anyone's guess!)
For a standard 52 week year, you need to look at your weekly liability
calculated over a whole year. (ie x 52) Then you work out 4 x weekly
liability - take that away from the yearly amount - and divide the remaining
balance by 11.
I am sure there is some logical excuse as to why they go through this long
winded process.
NACSA CHAIR
--
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454,
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"Toffee" wrote in message
news:sWdii.10214$%Z3.6942@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
>
> It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
> basis for the likes of shared care.
>
> "Rick" wrote in message
> news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>>
>> They don't do the sensible :-
>> ammount / 7 = daily
>> daily * 365.25 = yearly
>> yearly/12 = monthly
>>
>> I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
>> 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>>
>> Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>>
>> I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
>> monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>>
>> Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
>> its a different answer !!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>
>
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:13:14 GMT
author: NACSA CHAIR
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
On 2 Jul, 22:16, "Toffee" wrote:
> Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
>
> It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
> basis for the likes of shared care.
>
> "Rick" wrote in message
>
> news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>
> > They don't do the sensible :-
> > ammount / 7 = daily
> > daily * 365.25 = yearly
> > yearly/12 = monthly
>
> > I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
> > 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>
> > Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>
> > I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
> > monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>
> > Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
> > its a different answer !!
>
> > Rick- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
But there are not 52 weeks in a year
date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:28:07 -0700
author: Rick
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
basis for the likes of shared care.
"Rick" wrote in message
news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>
> They don't do the sensible :-
> ammount / 7 = daily
> daily * 365.25 = yearly
> yearly/12 = monthly
>
> I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
> 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>
> Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>
> I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
> monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>
> Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
> its a different answer !!
>
> Rick
>
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:16:08 GMT
author: Toffee
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
For CS2 the monthly account is worked out slightly differently. The
calculation will produce 1 monthly amount which is slightly different to the
remaining 11 months. Its worked out the same as your council tax, with 1
odd month and 11 equal monthly amounts. and the one odd month is calculated
depending on whether the case is under a 48 week year or 53 week year
(although how they come up with that is anyone's guess!)
For a standard 52 week year, you need to look at your weekly liability
calculated over a whole year. (ie x 52) Then you work out 4 x weekly
liability - take that away from the yearly amount - and divide the remaining
balance by 11.
I am sure there is some logical excuse as to why they go through this long
winded process.
NACSA CHAIR
--
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454,
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"Toffee" wrote in message
news:sWdii.10214$%Z3.6942@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
>
> It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
> basis for the likes of shared care.
>
> "Rick" wrote in message
> news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>>
>> They don't do the sensible :-
>> ammount / 7 = daily
>> daily * 365.25 = yearly
>> yearly/12 = monthly
>>
>> I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
>> 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>>
>> Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>>
>> I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
>> monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>>
>> Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
>> its a different answer !!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>
>
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:13:14 GMT
author: NACSA CHAIR
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
On 2 Jul, 22:16, "Toffee" wrote:
> Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
>
> It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
> basis for the likes of shared care.
>
> "Rick" wrote in message
>
> news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>
> > They don't do the sensible :-
> > ammount / 7 = daily
> > daily * 365.25 = yearly
> > yearly/12 = monthly
>
> > I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
> > 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>
> > Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>
> > I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
> > monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>
> > Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
> > its a different answer !!
>
> > Rick- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
But there are not 52 weeks in a year
date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:28:07 -0700
author: Rick
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
basis for the likes of shared care.
"Rick" wrote in message
news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>
> They don't do the sensible :-
> ammount / 7 = daily
> daily * 365.25 = yearly
> yearly/12 = monthly
>
> I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
> 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>
> Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>
> I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
> monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>
> Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
> its a different answer !!
>
> Rick
>
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:16:08 GMT
author: Toffee
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
For CS2 the monthly account is worked out slightly differently. The
calculation will produce 1 monthly amount which is slightly different to the
remaining 11 months. Its worked out the same as your council tax, with 1
odd month and 11 equal monthly amounts. and the one odd month is calculated
depending on whether the case is under a 48 week year or 53 week year
(although how they come up with that is anyone's guess!)
For a standard 52 week year, you need to look at your weekly liability
calculated over a whole year. (ie x 52) Then you work out 4 x weekly
liability - take that away from the yearly amount - and divide the remaining
balance by 11.
I am sure there is some logical excuse as to why they go through this long
winded process.
NACSA CHAIR
--
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454,
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"Toffee" wrote in message
news:sWdii.10214$%Z3.6942@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
>
> It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
> basis for the likes of shared care.
>
> "Rick" wrote in message
> news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>>
>> They don't do the sensible :-
>> ammount / 7 = daily
>> daily * 365.25 = yearly
>> yearly/12 = monthly
>>
>> I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
>> 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>>
>> Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>>
>> I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
>> monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>>
>> Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
>> its a different answer !!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>
>
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:13:14 GMT
author: NACSA CHAIR
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
On 2 Jul, 22:16, "Toffee" wrote:
> Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
>
> It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
> basis for the likes of shared care.
>
> "Rick" wrote in message
>
> news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>
> > They don't do the sensible :-
> > ammount / 7 = daily
> > daily * 365.25 = yearly
> > yearly/12 = monthly
>
> > I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
> > 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>
> > Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>
> > I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
> > monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>
> > Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
> > its a different answer !!
>
> > Rick- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
But there are not 52 weeks in a year
date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:28:07 -0700
author: Rick
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
basis for the likes of shared care.
"Rick" wrote in message
news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>
> They don't do the sensible :-
> ammount / 7 = daily
> daily * 365.25 = yearly
> yearly/12 = monthly
>
> I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
> 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>
> Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>
> I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
> monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>
> Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
> its a different answer !!
>
> Rick
>
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:16:08 GMT
author: Toffee
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
For CS2 the monthly account is worked out slightly differently. The
calculation will produce 1 monthly amount which is slightly different to the
remaining 11 months. Its worked out the same as your council tax, with 1
odd month and 11 equal monthly amounts. and the one odd month is calculated
depending on whether the case is under a 48 week year or 53 week year
(although how they come up with that is anyone's guess!)
For a standard 52 week year, you need to look at your weekly liability
calculated over a whole year. (ie x 52) Then you work out 4 x weekly
liability - take that away from the yearly amount - and divide the remaining
balance by 11.
I am sure there is some logical excuse as to why they go through this long
winded process.
NACSA CHAIR
--
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454,
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"Toffee" wrote in message
news:sWdii.10214$%Z3.6942@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
>
> It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
> basis for the likes of shared care.
>
> "Rick" wrote in message
> news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>>
>> They don't do the sensible :-
>> ammount / 7 = daily
>> daily * 365.25 = yearly
>> yearly/12 = monthly
>>
>> I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
>> 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>>
>> Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>>
>> I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
>> monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>>
>> Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
>> its a different answer !!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>
>
date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:13:14 GMT
author: NACSA CHAIR
|
Re: Monthly Ammounts
On 2 Jul, 22:16, "Toffee" wrote:
> Monthly to weekly is £abc times 12 divided by 52
>
> It's all based around the fact that everything is worked out on a weekly
> basis for the likes of shared care.
>
> "Rick" wrote in message
>
> news:1183408616.522862.211830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > How do the CSA get from weekly accessments to monthly payments ?
>
> > They don't do the sensible :-
> > ammount / 7 = daily
> > daily * 365.25 = yearly
> > yearly/12 = monthly
>
> > I was told on the phone "its complex, as years can have between 48 &
> > 53 weeks", which is not the same as the calender I use.
>
> > Why cant they work in weeks, or days ?
>
> > I gust got 12 years of statment of account, its so full of this
> > monthly crap, the figures are all over the place.
>
> > Oh, and how do they get from a montly payslip to a weekly wage - I bet
> > its a different answer !!
>
> > Rick- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
But there are not 52 weeks in a year
date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:28:07 -0700
author: Rick
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