liability order and what happens ?

A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
by goverment employees in the CSA.

If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.

If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.

But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.

You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
suspected, collecting pay bonuses.

Knew iot was here somewhere - check out this thread and particularly
the link in the second posting

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.gov.agency.csa/browse_thread/thread/0276a1ded976704c/a3f7ae7b688238c8?hl=en#a3f7ae7b688238c8

A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
by goverment employees in the CSA.

If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.

If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.

But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.

You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
suspected, collecting pay bonuses.

Knew iot was here somewhere - check out this thread and particularly
the link in the second posting

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.gov.agency.csa/browse_thread/thread/0276a1ded976704c/a3f7ae7b688238c8?hl=en#a3f7ae7b688238c8

A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
by goverment employees in the CSA.

If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.

If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.

But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.

You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
suspected, collecting pay bonuses.

Knew iot was here somewhere - check out this thread and particularly
the link in the second posting

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.gov.agency.csa/browse_thread/thread/0276a1ded976704c/a3f7ae7b688238c8?hl=en#a3f7ae7b688238c8

ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
 wrote in message 
news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>
> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>
> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>
> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>
> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>
>

bailiffs should not have been instructed until the liability order has been 
granted????

if you are not employed its going to be difficult for them to secure monies 
from you....they may look for other measures such as third party debt order 
(freezing your bank account) or bailiffs.  Do note though...that if the debt 
has arisen because of a wilful refusal to pay maintenance, they do then have 
powers to take you to court for removal of driving license or even committal 
to prison.

if the LO is granted, and the debt is valid, you could apply to have the 
courts make the decision as to what payment you can make based on your 
circumstances.  But again, it would depend on the history of compliance as 
to how reasonable the court may be iwth you.

NACSA CHAIR

-- 
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"LYNN MALONE"  wrote in message 
news:oucci.9164$aS5.627@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
> change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
> bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
>  wrote in message 
> news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
>> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
>> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
>> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
>> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
>> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
>> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
>> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
>> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
>> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
>> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
>> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
>> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
>> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
>> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
>> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
>> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
>> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
>> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
>> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
>> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
>> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>>
>> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>>
>> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
>> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>>
>> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
>> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
>> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
>> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
>> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
>> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>>
>> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
>> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
>> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
>> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
>> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
>> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
>> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
>> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
>> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
>> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
>> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>>
>>
>
>

A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
by goverment employees in the CSA.

If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.

If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.

But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.

You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
suspected, collecting pay bonuses.

Knew iot was here somewhere - check out this thread and particularly
the link in the second posting

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.gov.agency.csa/browse_thread/thread/0276a1ded976704c/a3f7ae7b688238c8?hl=en#a3f7ae7b688238c8

ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
 wrote in message 
news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>
> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>
> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>
> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>
> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>
>

bailiffs should not have been instructed until the liability order has been 
granted????

if you are not employed its going to be difficult for them to secure monies 
from you....they may look for other measures such as third party debt order 
(freezing your bank account) or bailiffs.  Do note though...that if the debt 
has arisen because of a wilful refusal to pay maintenance, they do then have 
powers to take you to court for removal of driving license or even committal 
to prison.

if the LO is granted, and the debt is valid, you could apply to have the 
courts make the decision as to what payment you can make based on your 
circumstances.  But again, it would depend on the history of compliance as 
to how reasonable the court may be iwth you.

NACSA CHAIR

-- 
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"LYNN MALONE"  wrote in message 
news:oucci.9164$aS5.627@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
> change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
> bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
>  wrote in message 
> news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
>> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
>> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
>> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
>> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
>> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
>> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
>> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
>> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
>> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
>> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
>> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
>> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
>> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
>> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
>> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
>> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
>> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
>> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
>> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
>> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
>> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>>
>> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>>
>> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
>> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>>
>> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
>> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
>> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
>> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
>> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
>> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>>
>> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
>> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
>> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
>> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
>> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
>> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
>> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
>> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
>> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
>> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
>> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>>
>>
>
>

A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
by goverment employees in the CSA.

If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.

If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.

But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.

You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
suspected, collecting pay bonuses.

Knew iot was here somewhere - check out this thread and particularly
the link in the second posting

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.gov.agency.csa/browse_thread/thread/0276a1ded976704c/a3f7ae7b688238c8?hl=en#a3f7ae7b688238c8

ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
 wrote in message 
news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>
> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>
> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>
> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>
> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>
>

bailiffs should not have been instructed until the liability order has been 
granted????

if you are not employed its going to be difficult for them to secure monies 
from you....they may look for other measures such as third party debt order 
(freezing your bank account) or bailiffs.  Do note though...that if the debt 
has arisen because of a wilful refusal to pay maintenance, they do then have 
powers to take you to court for removal of driving license or even committal 
to prison.

if the LO is granted, and the debt is valid, you could apply to have the 
courts make the decision as to what payment you can make based on your 
circumstances.  But again, it would depend on the history of compliance as 
to how reasonable the court may be iwth you.

NACSA CHAIR

-- 
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"LYNN MALONE"  wrote in message 
news:oucci.9164$aS5.627@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
> change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
> bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
>  wrote in message 
> news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
>> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
>> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
>> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
>> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
>> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
>> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
>> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
>> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
>> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
>> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
>> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
>> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
>> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
>> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
>> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
>> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
>> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
>> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
>> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
>> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
>> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>>
>> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>>
>> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
>> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>>
>> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
>> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
>> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
>> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
>> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
>> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>>
>> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
>> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
>> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
>> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
>> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
>> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
>> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
>> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
>> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
>> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
>> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>>
>>
>
>

A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
by goverment employees in the CSA.

If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.

If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.

But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.

You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
suspected, collecting pay bonuses.

Knew iot was here somewhere - check out this thread and particularly
the link in the second posting

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.gov.agency.csa/browse_thread/thread/0276a1ded976704c/a3f7ae7b688238c8?hl=en#a3f7ae7b688238c8

ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
 wrote in message 
news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>
> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>
> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>
> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>
> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>
>

bailiffs should not have been instructed until the liability order has been 
granted????

if you are not employed its going to be difficult for them to secure monies 
from you....they may look for other measures such as third party debt order 
(freezing your bank account) or bailiffs.  Do note though...that if the debt 
has arisen because of a wilful refusal to pay maintenance, they do then have 
powers to take you to court for removal of driving license or even committal 
to prison.

if the LO is granted, and the debt is valid, you could apply to have the 
courts make the decision as to what payment you can make based on your 
circumstances.  But again, it would depend on the history of compliance as 
to how reasonable the court may be iwth you.

NACSA CHAIR

-- 
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"LYNN MALONE"  wrote in message 
news:oucci.9164$aS5.627@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
> change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
> bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
>  wrote in message 
> news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
>> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
>> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
>> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
>> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
>> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
>> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
>> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
>> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
>> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
>> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
>> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
>> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
>> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
>> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
>> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
>> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
>> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
>> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
>> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
>> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
>> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>>
>> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>>
>> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
>> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>>
>> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
>> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
>> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
>> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
>> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
>> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>>
>> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
>> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
>> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
>> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
>> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
>> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
>> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
>> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
>> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
>> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
>> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>>
>>
>
>

A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
by goverment employees in the CSA.

If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.

If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.

But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.

You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
suspected, collecting pay bonuses.

Knew iot was here somewhere - check out this thread and particularly
the link in the second posting

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.gov.agency.csa/browse_thread/thread/0276a1ded976704c/a3f7ae7b688238c8?hl=en#a3f7ae7b688238c8

ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
 wrote in message 
news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>
> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>
> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>
> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>
> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>
>

bailiffs should not have been instructed until the liability order has been 
granted????

if you are not employed its going to be difficult for them to secure monies 
from you....they may look for other measures such as third party debt order 
(freezing your bank account) or bailiffs.  Do note though...that if the debt 
has arisen because of a wilful refusal to pay maintenance, they do then have 
powers to take you to court for removal of driving license or even committal 
to prison.

if the LO is granted, and the debt is valid, you could apply to have the 
courts make the decision as to what payment you can make based on your 
circumstances.  But again, it would depend on the history of compliance as 
to how reasonable the court may be iwth you.

NACSA CHAIR

-- 
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"LYNN MALONE"  wrote in message 
news:oucci.9164$aS5.627@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
> change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
> bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
>  wrote in message 
> news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
>> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
>> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
>> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
>> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
>> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
>> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
>> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
>> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
>> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
>> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
>> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
>> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
>> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
>> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
>> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
>> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
>> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
>> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
>> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
>> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
>> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>>
>> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>>
>> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
>> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>>
>> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
>> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
>> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
>> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
>> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
>> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>>
>> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
>> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
>> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
>> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
>> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
>> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
>> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
>> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
>> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
>> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
>> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>>
>>
>
>

ok .so had a bad deal.was not compliant at the start.had a lot to lose. my 
kids 4 one.but like every thing else you settle down. and have to deal with 
things in this life.my ex had took off with a young lad she was entering her 
30s .more than one time i had caught her out .with one of her freinds.any 
way  one freind to many after her spending one than to many times away from 
home.found her following morn turning into work. spare knickers. and used 
knikers.had all calls to home logged via phone recorder. and pulled an 
confronted her.
all denided.then all hell broke lose and i had to leave home.becouse i would 
have killed her.becouse it was not the first time.i loved my kids i would 
die for them as i write this. but i have been denide them for so long that 
they probably have been turned against the bad csa parent.some thing has to 
change?we cant allow the goverment to tell us we are all bad parents .mother 
or father 1 seed 1 child 2 equal parents.
"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:Xkgci.5118$p8.2799@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> bailiffs should not have been instructed until the liability order has 
> been granted????
>
> if you are not employed its going to be difficult for them to secure 
> monies from you....they may look for other measures such as third party 
> debt order (freezing your bank account) or bailiffs.  Do note 
> though...that if the debt has arisen because of a wilful refusal to pay 
> maintenance, they do then have powers to take you to court for removal of 
> driving license or even committal to prison.
>
> if the LO is granted, and the debt is valid, you could apply to have the 
> courts make the decision as to what payment you can make based on your 
> circumstances.  But again, it would depend on the history of compliance as 
> to how reasonable the court may be iwth you.
>
> NACSA CHAIR
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
> "LYNN MALONE"  wrote in message 
> news:oucci.9164$aS5.627@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
>> change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
>> bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
>>  wrote in message 
>> news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
>>> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
>>> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
>>> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
>>> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
>>> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
>>> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
>>> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
>>> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
>>> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
>>> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
>>> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
>>> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
>>> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
>>> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
>>> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
>>> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
>>> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
>>> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
>>> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
>>> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
>>> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>>>
>>> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>>>
>>> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
>>> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>>>
>>> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
>>> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
>>> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
>>> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
>>> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
>>> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>>>
>>> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
>>> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
>>> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
>>> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
>>> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
>>> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
>>> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
>>> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
>>> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
>>> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
>>> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
by goverment employees in the CSA.

If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.

If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.

But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.

You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
suspected, collecting pay bonuses.

Knew iot was here somewhere - check out this thread and particularly
the link in the second posting

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.gov.agency.csa/browse_thread/thread/0276a1ded976704c/a3f7ae7b688238c8?hl=en#a3f7ae7b688238c8

ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
 wrote in message 
news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>
> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>
> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>
> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>
> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>
>

bailiffs should not have been instructed until the liability order has been 
granted????

if you are not employed its going to be difficult for them to secure monies 
from you....they may look for other measures such as third party debt order 
(freezing your bank account) or bailiffs.  Do note though...that if the debt 
has arisen because of a wilful refusal to pay maintenance, they do then have 
powers to take you to court for removal of driving license or even committal 
to prison.

if the LO is granted, and the debt is valid, you could apply to have the 
courts make the decision as to what payment you can make based on your 
circumstances.  But again, it would depend on the history of compliance as 
to how reasonable the court may be iwth you.

NACSA CHAIR

-- 
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"LYNN MALONE"  wrote in message 
news:oucci.9164$aS5.627@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
> change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
> bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
>  wrote in message 
> news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
>> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
>> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
>> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
>> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
>> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
>> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
>> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
>> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
>> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
>> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
>> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
>> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
>> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
>> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
>> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
>> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
>> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
>> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
>> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
>> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
>> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>>
>> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>>
>> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
>> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>>
>> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
>> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
>> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
>> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
>> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
>> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>>
>> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
>> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
>> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
>> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
>> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
>> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
>> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
>> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
>> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
>> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
>> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>>
>>
>
>

ok .so had a bad deal.was not compliant at the start.had a lot to lose. my 
kids 4 one.but like every thing else you settle down. and have to deal with 
things in this life.my ex had took off with a young lad she was entering her 
30s .more than one time i had caught her out .with one of her freinds.any 
way  one freind to many after her spending one than to many times away from 
home.found her following morn turning into work. spare knickers. and used 
knikers.had all calls to home logged via phone recorder. and pulled an 
confronted her.
all denided.then all hell broke lose and i had to leave home.becouse i would 
have killed her.becouse it was not the first time.i loved my kids i would 
die for them as i write this. but i have been denide them for so long that 
they probably have been turned against the bad csa parent.some thing has to 
change?we cant allow the goverment to tell us we are all bad parents .mother 
or father 1 seed 1 child 2 equal parents.
"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:Xkgci.5118$p8.2799@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> bailiffs should not have been instructed until the liability order has 
> been granted????
>
> if you are not employed its going to be difficult for them to secure 
> monies from you....they may look for other measures such as third party 
> debt order (freezing your bank account) or bailiffs.  Do note 
> though...that if the debt has arisen because of a wilful refusal to pay 
> maintenance, they do then have powers to take you to court for removal of 
> driving license or even committal to prison.
>
> if the LO is granted, and the debt is valid, you could apply to have the 
> courts make the decision as to what payment you can make based on your 
> circumstances.  But again, it would depend on the history of compliance as 
> to how reasonable the court may be iwth you.
>
> NACSA CHAIR
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
> "LYNN MALONE"  wrote in message 
> news:oucci.9164$aS5.627@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
>> change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
>> bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
>>  wrote in message 
>> news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
>>> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
>>> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
>>> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
>>> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
>>> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
>>> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
>>> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
>>> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
>>> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
>>> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
>>> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
>>> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
>>> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
>>> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
>>> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
>>> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
>>> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
>>> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
>>> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
>>> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
>>> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>>>
>>> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>>>
>>> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
>>> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>>>
>>> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
>>> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
>>> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
>>> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
>>> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
>>> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>>>
>>> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
>>> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
>>> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
>>> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
>>> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
>>> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
>>> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
>>> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
>>> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
>>> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
>>> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
by goverment employees in the CSA.

If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.

If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.

But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.

You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
suspected, collecting pay bonuses.

Knew iot was here somewhere - check out this thread and particularly
the link in the second posting

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.gov.agency.csa/browse_thread/thread/0276a1ded976704c/a3f7ae7b688238c8?hl=en#a3f7ae7b688238c8

ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
 wrote in message 
news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>
> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>
> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>
> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>
> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>
>

bailiffs should not have been instructed until the liability order has been 
granted????

if you are not employed its going to be difficult for them to secure monies 
from you....they may look for other measures such as third party debt order 
(freezing your bank account) or bailiffs.  Do note though...that if the debt 
has arisen because of a wilful refusal to pay maintenance, they do then have 
powers to take you to court for removal of driving license or even committal 
to prison.

if the LO is granted, and the debt is valid, you could apply to have the 
courts make the decision as to what payment you can make based on your 
circumstances.  But again, it would depend on the history of compliance as 
to how reasonable the court may be iwth you.

NACSA CHAIR

-- 
WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions
"LYNN MALONE"  wrote in message 
news:oucci.9164$aS5.627@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> ok so i have had £10.000. demand from bailiffs (drakes} like as if pocket 
> change.i am not employed do not own any property was refused invalididity 
> bennefit.and now they want to take me for a liability order.
>  wrote in message 
> news:1181752452.207651.137500@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>A CSA officer submits the LO  to the County Court (but are unlikely to
>> tell you) and a Judge rubber stamps their application to have the
>> Liability order enforced.  This opens up a range of debt collection
>> options, for example they can instruct bailliffs to seize and sell
>> your property - again you will know nothing of this until you recieve
>> a threatening demand/letter from the bailiffs demanding immediate
>> payment by cheque, cash or credit card.  They cannjot do this unless
>> they can gain entry to your property to list your belongings - this is
>> called 'Levying Distress'.  However, they cannot in Law force entry.
>> The CSA could also apply to court to freeze any of your banks accounts
>> they can get details of - normally from the ex .i.e. the mother.  Once
>> the accounts have been frozen their is court hearing which you can
>> attend but it is another rubber stamping session which means the bank
>> has to give the money to the CSA.  Complaining to a judge that the CSA
>> have messed up is pointless as even if you can prove it categorically,
>> ypou will be wasting your time with most judges as the Goverment has
>> passed legislation to prevent both the majistrates and County Court
>> Judges from considering it.  They have to act on a debt established in
>> Law in the Magistrates Court - as the debt has been Lawfully, if
>> immorrally, established by Magistrates who are likewise forbidden from
>> considering any evidence of maladministration, negligence or miconduct
>> by goverment employees in the CSA.
>>
>> If you have got to this stage their is one safety net of sorts.
>>
>> If you have few savings you can apply to court yourself for what is
>> called a Variation Order.  - you need form N245.
>>
>> But do it quickly because the suspicion is that the more individual
>> enforcements actions goverment employees at the CSA can rack up the
>> bigger the pay bonus they can achieve.  Think of it like the police
>> catching a shoplifter who has stollen 20 DVDs from a shop and
>> classiying the theft of each one as a seperate crime - so by catching
>> the shoplifter with the 20 DVDs they calim to have solved 20 crimes.
>>
>> You can download form N245 from the Court Service Website - you need
>> to show your income, savings and expenditure.  There will be a court
>> hearing where you can present your case and offer to pay the debt off
>> weekly.  You need to do it quickly before the CSA apply to seize bank
>> accounts first for example.  At the hearing the Judge will then
>> determine what to pay on the basis of the information given.   CSA
>> officers hate it because once the judge makes the order they cannot
>> take any further enforcement action on that particular debt so long as
>> you do not default.  This means officers cannot, in effect keep
>> passing Go (by taking muliple enforcement routes) and, it is
>> suspected, collecting pay bonuses.
>>
>>
>
>

ok .so had a bad deal.was not compliant at the start.had a lot to lose. my 
kids 4 one.but like every thing else you settle down. and have to deal with 
things in this life.my ex had took off with a young lad she was entering her 
30s .more than one time i had caught her out .with one of her freinds.any 
way  one freind to many after her spending one than to many times away from 
home.found her following morn turning into work. spare knickers. and used 
knikers.had all calls to home logged via phone recorder. and pulled an 
confronted her.
all denided.then all hell broke lose and i had to leave home.becouse i would 
have killed her.becouse it was not the first time.i loved my kids i would 
die for them as i write this. but i have been denide them for so long that 
they probably have been turned against the bad csa parent.some thing has to 
change?we cant allow the gove