http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/

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Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied and
is subject to errors and omissions

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:uJtai.1926$p8.533@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:uJtai.1926$p8.533@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:uJtai.1926$p8.533@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:uJtai.1926$p8.533@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
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>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
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> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
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Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:uJtai.1926$p8.533@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:uJtai.1926$p8.533@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:uJtai.1926$p8.533@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:uJtai.1926$p8.533@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:uJtai.1926$p8.533@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:uJtai.1926$p8.533@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


"NACSA CHAIR"  wrote in message 
news:uJtai.1926$p8.533@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/
>
> -- 
> WHEN CSA GET IT WRONG...NACSA PUT IT RIGHT!!! www.nacsa.co.uk PO BOX 4454, 
> Dudley West Midlands, DY1 9AN  FAX 01384 343966
> Disclaimer: the content of this email is based upon information supplied 
> and
> is subject to errors and omissions
>

Many of the 'new' measures are not new at all and can already be used
by the CSA - rather like the farcical G8 agreement to give money to
Africa which it had already committed to giving last time it met.
What we have is new packaging.of the same 'product'.

What the media increasingly misses by focssing on Hutton et als and
their spin, is that this Goverment department has an uneerring ability
to 'srew-up' just about anything, and whilst it can and does bully
judges into rubber stamping Enforcement Orders in our secret Kangaroo
Courts many fathers will continue to find themselvs victims of the
trade-mark incompetence and deviousness associated with this
particular Goverment.   To adopt an often used quotation - 'Its the
legislation stupid'.  But what makes it worse is that we have a
Goverment Department (DWP) as unfit for purpose as the legislation
dreamed up in the Wesminster House of Horrors.

It is Interesting that those who created this mess can think of
nothing better than to point a finger at so called dead-beat dads. Pot
and kettle spring to mind Mr. Hutton.  Come the ministerial reshuffle
it will be interesting to see who is next in line to drink from the
poison challace.

I wonder if the Westminster Mafia will so readily support those
fathers wrongly tarred as 'dead-beats' if they decide to name and
shame goverment employees who have failed to discharge their
responsibilities to calculate the assessment correctly.   This farcial
situation is almost entirely of the Goverments making.  What Messers
Hutton and Co. need to understand is that the 'dead-beats' who should
pay first for their irresponsibility are the dead-beats in the Palace
of Westminster who created the problem in the first place and who for
the last fifteen years have only made a bad situation even worse.

Good article again pointing out the glaring discrimination discrepancy 
regarding restricting travel would not apply to foreign nationals, so again 
dead beat CSA will operate another two tier system.

On the same site, I found this which I thought simply explains it all if 
only idiots like Hutton would read and understand the message here copy 
below
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/dwp_no_travel_no_id/comments/#c_20284 
My reaction and I would think any reasonable persons reaction is THIEVES, 
YES GOVERNMENT THIEVES.
And what about the people who DO pay?
Posted Friday 8th June 2007 18:45 GMT
Will they continue to be treated in the exact same manner as the deadbeats 
that don't? Will they continue to be charged additional fees that don't go 
to their child, in other words pay not only for the bureaucracy but also 
foot the bill for parents that don't pay up.

With every pay rise my brother gets, virtually all of it is taken by the 
CSA. His son continues to receive the same amount as before, so in other 
words they are using child support as a punishment for getting divorced.

His son (or rather his ex-wife) receives about 600 quid a month. CSA receive 
in excess of a 1000. When he gets a pay rise CSA take more, his son receives 
the same 600 quid.

This is what is wrong with the agency, but is not the only thing that needed 
fixing. As far as I'm aware getting a divorce is not a crime, therefore 
being treated as criminal, and having ever increasing sums of money deducted 
from your wages for no apparent reason is surely unjust?

If his son received larger checks he wouldn't have a problem with having his 
child support payment increased, but that is simply never the case. His 
money pays for these peoples jobs and the payments they send to the children 
of deadbeats. In return for his generosity, for providing them with a wage 
and supporting children he's never met, his reward is to be treated with the 
same contempt and rudeness befitting the losers that don't pay.

Then you have the people that receive letters of enforcement out of the blue 
due to human error. Tell me what your wife would think if you received such 
a letter - regardless of the truth of the matter. Tell me that wouldn't 
permanently damage your marriage.

Manage to prove that the kid isn't yours and you get treated as if you 
somehow got away with a crime. Actually managing to stop the enforcement 
letters, bills and punishments for not paying is not exactly a walk in the 
park - usually involves DNA testing, and often a court appearance.

To say these people are scum is an insult people that actually are scum. IMO 
they are worse than the deadbeats they supposedly go after, but seem content 
to ignore as long they're getting the money from someone who pays.


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