Heard some debate on 5 live radio the other morning about the csa. There was 
some Lord something or other on from the government going on about 'getting 
tough' with absent fathers(never mothers you might note). A lot of the 
debate however seemed to be about the two systems. Richard Bacon (presenter) 
asked the Lord Twat directly if the two different systems were illegal with 
the usual wriggling and squirming from the lord and blaming the computer 
system. Is the fact that the law of the land is being decided on by a crap 
computer system actually legal? You can guarantee there'd be uproar if the 
tax system worked in the same way for identical circumstances - for example 
if you left school before 2003 you can pay tax at 50% but if left school 
after this date you'd only have to pay at 25%.


--

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

Oh yes - the computer system

The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.

They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
said?

Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
(justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
Lords try to spin it as.

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

Oh yes - the computer system

The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.

They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
said?

Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
(justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
Lords try to spin it as.

Hear, hear

Very eloquently spells out what a rotten bunch of geedy selfish money 
grabbing war mongering ratbags run 'our' country.

Everyone should be reminded of this come voting time.

 wrote in message 
news:1180077678.980393.66280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh yes - the computer system
>
> The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
> blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
> useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
> reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
> it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
> bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
> one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.
>
> They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
> definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
> and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
> because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
> made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
> Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
> give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
> best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
> Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
> schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
> houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
> said?
>
> Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
> (justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
> cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
> apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
> kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
> a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
> on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
> Lords try to spin it as.
>
>
>
>

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

Oh yes - the computer system

The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.

They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
said?

Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
(justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
Lords try to spin it as.

Hear, hear

Very eloquently spells out what a rotten bunch of geedy selfish money 
grabbing war mongering ratbags run 'our' country.

Everyone should be reminded of this come voting time.

 wrote in message 
news:1180077678.980393.66280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh yes - the computer system
>
> The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
> blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
> useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
> reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
> it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
> bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
> one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.
>
> They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
> definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
> and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
> because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
> made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
> Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
> give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
> best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
> Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
> schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
> houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
> said?
>
> Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
> (justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
> cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
> apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
> kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
> a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
> on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
> Lords try to spin it as.
>
>
>
>

This is the sickening fact that it costs such colossul amounts of money to 
take anything to court.



"Mr Green Genes"  wrote in message 
news:1180042651.430253.305060@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
> little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.
>

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

Oh yes - the computer system

The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.

They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
said?

Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
(justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
Lords try to spin it as.

Hear, hear

Very eloquently spells out what a rotten bunch of geedy selfish money 
grabbing war mongering ratbags run 'our' country.

Everyone should be reminded of this come voting time.

 wrote in message 
news:1180077678.980393.66280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh yes - the computer system
>
> The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
> blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
> useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
> reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
> it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
> bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
> one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.
>
> They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
> definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
> and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
> because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
> made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
> Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
> give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
> best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
> Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
> schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
> houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
> said?
>
> Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
> (justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
> cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
> apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
> kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
> a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
> on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
> Lords try to spin it as.
>
>
>
>

This is the sickening fact that it costs such colossul amounts of money to 
take anything to court.



"Mr Green Genes"  wrote in message 
news:1180042651.430253.305060@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
> little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.
>

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

Oh yes - the computer system

The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.

They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
said?

Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
(justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
Lords try to spin it as.

Hear, hear

Very eloquently spells out what a rotten bunch of geedy selfish money 
grabbing war mongering ratbags run 'our' country.

Everyone should be reminded of this come voting time.

 wrote in message 
news:1180077678.980393.66280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh yes - the computer system
>
> The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
> blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
> useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
> reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
> it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
> bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
> one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.
>
> They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
> definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
> and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
> because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
> made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
> Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
> give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
> best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
> Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
> schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
> houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
> said?
>
> Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
> (justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
> cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
> apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
> kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
> a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
> on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
> Lords try to spin it as.
>
>
>
>

This is the sickening fact that it costs such colossul amounts of money to 
take anything to court.



"Mr Green Genes"  wrote in message 
news:1180042651.430253.305060@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
> little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.
>

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

Oh yes - the computer system

The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.

They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
said?

Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
(justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
Lords try to spin it as.

Hear, hear

Very eloquently spells out what a rotten bunch of geedy selfish money 
grabbing war mongering ratbags run 'our' country.

Everyone should be reminded of this come voting time.

 wrote in message 
news:1180077678.980393.66280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh yes - the computer system
>
> The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
> blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
> useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
> reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
> it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
> bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
> one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.
>
> They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
> definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
> and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
> because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
> made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
> Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
> give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
> best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
> Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
> schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
> houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
> said?
>
> Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
> (justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
> cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
> apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
> kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
> a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
> on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
> Lords try to spin it as.
>
>
>
>

This is the sickening fact that it costs such colossul amounts of money to 
take anything to court.



"Mr Green Genes"  wrote in message 
news:1180042651.430253.305060@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
> little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.
>

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

Oh yes - the computer system

The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.

They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
said?

Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
(justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
Lords try to spin it as.

Hear, hear

Very eloquently spells out what a rotten bunch of geedy selfish money 
grabbing war mongering ratbags run 'our' country.

Everyone should be reminded of this come voting time.

 wrote in message 
news:1180077678.980393.66280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh yes - the computer system
>
> The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
> blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
> useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
> reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
> it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
> bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
> one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.
>
> They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
> definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
> and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
> because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
> made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
> Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
> give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
> best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
> Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
> schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
> houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
> said?
>
> Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
> (justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
> cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
> apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
> kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
> a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
> on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
> Lords try to spin it as.
>
>
>
>

This is the sickening fact that it costs such colossul amounts of money to 
take anything to court.



"Mr Green Genes"  wrote in message 
news:1180042651.430253.305060@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
> little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.
>

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

Oh yes - the computer system

The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.

They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
said?

Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
(justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
Lords try to spin it as.

Hear, hear

Very eloquently spells out what a rotten bunch of geedy selfish money 
grabbing war mongering ratbags run 'our' country.

Everyone should be reminded of this come voting time.

 wrote in message 
news:1180077678.980393.66280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh yes - the computer system
>
> The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
> blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
> useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
> reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
> it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
> bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
> one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.
>
> They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
> definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
> and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
> because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
> made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
> Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
> give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
> best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
> Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
> schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
> houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
> said?
>
> Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
> (justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
> cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
> apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
> kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
> a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
> on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
> Lords try to spin it as.
>
>
>
>

This is the sickening fact that it costs such colossul amounts of money to 
take anything to court.



"Mr Green Genes"  wrote in message 
news:1180042651.430253.305060@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
> little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.
>

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

Oh yes - the computer system

The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.

They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
said?

Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
(justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
Lords try to spin it as.

Hear, hear

Very eloquently spells out what a rotten bunch of geedy selfish money 
grabbing war mongering ratbags run 'our' country.

Everyone should be reminded of this come voting time.

 wrote in message 
news:1180077678.980393.66280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh yes - the computer system
>
> The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
> blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
> useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
> reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
> it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
> bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
> one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.
>
> They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
> definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
> and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
> because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
> made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
> Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
> give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
> best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
> Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
> schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
> houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
> said?
>
> Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
> (justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
> cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
> apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
> kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
> a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
> on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
> Lords try to spin it as.
>
>
>
>

This is the sickening fact that it costs such colossul amounts of money to 
take anything to court.



"Mr Green Genes"  wrote in message 
news:1180042651.430253.305060@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
> little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.
>

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

Oh yes - the computer system

The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.

They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
said?

Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
(justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
Lords try to spin it as.

Hear, hear

Very eloquently spells out what a rotten bunch of geedy selfish money 
grabbing war mongering ratbags run 'our' country.

Everyone should be reminded of this come voting time.

 wrote in message 
news:1180077678.980393.66280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh yes - the computer system
>
> The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
> blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
> useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
> reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
> it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
> bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
> one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.
>
> They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
> definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
> and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
> because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
> made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
> Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
> give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
> best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
> Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
> schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
> houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
> said?
>
> Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
> (justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
> cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
> apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
> kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
> a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
> on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
> Lords try to spin it as.
>
>
>
>

This is the sickening fact that it costs such colossul amounts of money to 
take anything to court.



"Mr Green Genes"  wrote in message 
news:1180042651.430253.305060@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
> little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.
>

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

Oh yes - the computer system

The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.

They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
said?

Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
(justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
Lords try to spin it as.

Hear, hear

Very eloquently spells out what a rotten bunch of geedy selfish money 
grabbing war mongering ratbags run 'our' country.

Everyone should be reminded of this come voting time.

 wrote in message 
news:1180077678.980393.66280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh yes - the computer system
>
> The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
> blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
> useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
> reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
> it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
> bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
> one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.
>
> They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
> definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
> and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
> because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
> made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
> Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
> give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
> best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
> Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
> schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
> houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
> said?
>
> Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
> (justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
> cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
> apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
> kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
> a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
> on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
> Lords try to spin it as.
>
>
>
>

This is the sickening fact that it costs such colossul amounts of money to 
take anything to court.



"Mr Green Genes"  wrote in message 
news:1180042651.430253.305060@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
> little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.
>

It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.

Oh yes - the computer system

The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.

They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
said?

Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
(justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
Lords try to spin it as.

Hear, hear

Very eloquently spells out what a rotten bunch of geedy selfish money 
grabbing war mongering ratbags run 'our' country.

Everyone should be reminded of this come voting time.

 wrote in message 
news:1180077678.980393.66280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh yes - the computer system
>
> The Computer Systerm on which MPs, Lords and Civil Servants in the CSA
> blame the problem was commisioned by the very people who cite it as
> useless.  Some would say the competence of the computer mearly
> reflects the competence of the Ministers and civil servants who bought
> it, but then similarly 'not up to the job' computer systems were
> bought for just about every other departmnent of goverment - so if any
> one could be guarenteed to screw it up, it was them.
>
> They can, and do, bleat on about useless fathers (by the goverment
> definition that appears to be any father separated from the mother)
> and a useless computer (that is any computer bought by the Goverment)
> because it detracts attention away from the useless legislation they
> made.  If they spent as much time sorting it out as they do on making
> Laws to keep exept themselves from the Freedom of Information Act,
> give themselves above inflation pay rises, ensure they have one of the
> best pensions systems there has ever been (whilst ignoring the
> Ombudsmans scathing report on how they shafted other peoples pensions
> schemes), witter on about global warming whist each runs several
> houses and cars and take umpteen foreign holidays ... need more be
> said?
>
> Put another way, one weeks military expenditure on the war in Iraq
> (justified by a cooked up 'dossier of convenience') would probably
> cover a whole years child support payments.   Yet the Goverment
> apparently feels that money (our money) is better spent on bombs which
> kill Iraqi mothers, fathers and children - as presumably it represents
> a better form of child support, which rather shows New Labours policy
> on child welfare for what it is, rather than what its ministers and
> Lords try to spin it as.
>
>
>
>

This is the sickening fact that it costs such colossul amounts of money to 
take anything to court.



"Mr Green Genes"  wrote in message 
news:1180042651.430253.305060@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> It's never been tested through the courts.  An attempt was made a
> little while ago but the guy ran out of money so had to drop the case.
>