On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
> A quick question:
>
> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
> Would all here recommend signing up?

NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
is no money in it.

There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
should be realistic.

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


 wrote in message 
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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


 wrote in message 
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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


 wrote in message 
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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


 wrote in message 
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> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


 wrote in message 
news:1179920087.562889.144520@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


 wrote in message 
news:1179920087.562889.144520@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


 wrote in message 
news:1179920087.562889.144520@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>

Very well put.

And I just like to add many people have been so abused by the Gestapo that 
they have or are still fighting in the trenches.

We should remember this shower of bastards are intimately involved in the 
deaths of some 100 or so men,
Thousands have simply left the country,
Men are still being sent to Jail,
Driving licences still being removed,
Property is still being lifted by the Gestapo's henchmen,
Bank accounts are still being frozen

AND their appalling error rate has not improved!

Yet this GOVERNMENT, the LABOUR Government or Tony's government the one the 
aspiring mister Brown want's to run, the one that has sanctioned payments in 
bonuses of over 25,000,000 (yes that's million) in the last 5 years, while 
at the very same time saying this agency was not fit for purpose, the one 
that hinted at its closure have now santioned the The continuance of this 
mess by handing out even bigger clubs to beat MEN with and whispering 'Don't 
give a shit whether the figures add up get the bloody money.'

Remember this when it comes time to cast your vote again.

Ask your MP where he stands on this issue


 wrote in message 
news:1179920087.562889.144520@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On 23 May, 11:26, John  wrote:
>> A quick question:
>>
>> From what I have read it seems that the NACSA are a competent lot.
>> Would all here recommend signing up?
>
> NACSA are usually very supportive and for that reason alone are worth
> the subscription.  However, they do not have a magic wand.   It takes
> two to tango and the Goverment (who run the CSA) are in no mood to
> tango at the moment.  Secondly, it requires common sense and
> reasonableness to get anywhere - those two particularly qualities are
> seldom used in  the same sentence as Labour Goverment and civil
> servants.  The purpose of the CSA is to hit goverment targets and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of your children or anyone
> elses for that matter.  Looking at it logically, you stand in the way
> of goverment employees hitting their targets and collecting a pay
> bonus for doing so, so even NACSA are going to find it difficult
> getting anywhere with cases which are time consuming to sort out.  To
> use a business phrase they go for the 'low hanging fruit' because its
> easy.  The real dead-beat dads are too much like hard work and there
> is no money in it.
>
> There appears to have been a directive from upon high to errect the
> barracades, making the organisation even more inpenetrable than it was
> before.  NACSA can help point you in the right direction but it and
> you are dealing with a department of goverment which appears to be a
> Law unto itself, will make up things to suit, and will even lie in
> Courts if it means getting the performance statistics it needs.  You
> have perhaps realised that when you kick up a fuss the politicians and
> civil servants, bounty hunters they employ at the CSA throw their toys
> out ofd the pram.  So by all means sign up to NACSA, but unless you
> have a direct line to the God Tony Blair worships and can count on
> divine intervention, remember NACSA is mortal and your expectations
> should be realistic.
>