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amacmil304@aol.com writes
>On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 15:58:35 +0000, Malcolm
> wrote:
>
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>>In article
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>>John M.  writes
>>>On Nov 1, 8:11 am, Malcolm  wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> ,
>>>> John M.  writes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >On Nov 1, 7:04 am, Malcolm  wrote:
>>>> >> In article ,
>>>> >> amacmil...@aol.com writes
>>>>
>>>> >> >On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:23:07 +0000, Malcolm
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> >>In article ,
>>>> >> >>amacmil...@aol.com writes
>>>> >> >>>On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:51:20 +0000, Malcolm
>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>In article ,
>>>> >> >>>>amacmil...@aol.com writes
>>>> >> >>>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:09:53 +0000, Malcolm
>>>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>Got that?  Good.
>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>Got that? Good.
>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>You very obviously haven't. You asked why farmers got paid 
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>you that it is because geese can do agricultural damage. But
>>>> >> >>>>geese also
>>>> >> >>>>graze grass and do no agricultural damage and in those
>>>> >> >>>>circumstances the
>>>> >> >>>>farmers don't get paid.
>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>What's so difficult to understand?
>>>>
>>>> >> >>>It's very easily understood.
>>>>
>>>> >> >>>Geese damage all grass
>>>>
>>>> >> >>No, that's nonsense. Read what you've written and you will (no, make
>>>> >> >>that might) realise why.
>>>>
>>>> >> >It's not nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> >> Have you actually read it again?  Have you made any effort to realise
>>>> >> why I called it nonsense? Presumably not. So I'll spell it you for you.
>>>>
>>>> >> Please provide evidence for your use of the word "all".
>>>>
>>>> >> >>> but only when it impacts of a farmers income is
>>>> >> >>>it considered agricultural damage.   You're wrongly confusing the
>>>> >> >>>economic element with what geese do to grass.  They don't 
>>>> >> >>>know whether
>>>> >> >>>they're on agricultural land or not.
>>>>
>>>> >> >>No, I'm not confusing the economic element, because that is 
>>>> >> >>what we have
>>>> >> >>been discussing.
>>>>
>>>> >> >I've been discussing ALL grass.
>>>>
>>>> >> The discussion has always been about economic damage caused by geese.
>>>>
>>>> >> >>You have assumed that whenever geese are on
>>>> >> >>agricultural grass, i.e. that is farmed in some way, they are damaging
>>>> >> >>it. This is not the case. There can be extensive grazing on the grass
>>>> >> >>and the farmer suffers no economic loss.
>>>>
>>>> >> >Grass trampled underfoot is always damaged.  Just look at shortcuts
>>>> >> >across grass in parks and rabbit runs.
>>>>
>>>> >> Neither of which have anything to do with geese or their effects on
>>>> >> agricultural grassland.
>>>>
>>>> >> >>>Nothing complicated about it.
>>>>
>>>> >> >>You appear not to realise that grazing by animals/birds or for that
>>>> >> >>matter mowing by man does not necessarily damage the grass. It can
>>>> >> >>indeed, in some circumstances, improve it.
>>>>
>>>> >> >See above.
>>>>
>>>> >> Nothing "above" contradicts what I've just said which is tthat grazing
>>>> >> by animals/birds or for that matter mowing by man does not necessarily
>>>> >> damage the grass. It can indeed in some circumstances improve it.
>>>>
>>>> >Wasn't there a discovery some years back that light goose grazing on
>>>> >winter sown cereals (wheat, I think) caused tillering? in root-stocks
>>>> >which ultimately increased the yield?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, farmers regularly turn their sheep out onto newly sprouting winter
>>>> wheat in order to obtain this tillering effect. which to explain it to
>>>> Angus, means grazing off the single stem which arises from the seed so
>>>> that it will be replaced by several stems. The same effect can be caused
>>>> on grass. Farmers without either sheep or geese run a heavy roller over
>>>> the crop to achieve the same thing.
>>>
>>>Perhaps you should also explain to Angus that while farmers have
>>>absolute control over the degree of sheep grazing, getting control
>>>over grazing by wild geese is another matter
>>
>>Would you like to give me some advice on how one explains anything to
>>Angus?
>
>
>Try truthfully.
>
>And could no-one from the South Atlantic advised on line fishing's
>impact on albatrosses rather than you having to travel there?
>
Try behaving differently if you want answers to your questions, i.e. do 
not jump to wild conclusions based on ignorance and prejudice BEFORE 
asking your question and try not using childish insults and name calling 
BEFORE asking your question. You might then get an answer. Because you 
chose to do those things BEFORE asking your question why on earth do you 
think you deserve an answer?




-- 
Malcolm