In article , 
amacmil304@aol.com writes
>On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 17:09:36 +0000, Malcolm
> wrote:
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>>In article ,
>>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>>On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:50:27 +0000, Malcolm
>>> wrote:
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>>>>In article ,
>>>>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>>>>On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:19:28 +0000, Malcolm
>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>In article ,
>>>>>>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>>>>>>On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:05:04 +0000, Malcolm
>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article
>>>>>>>>, John
>>>>>>>>M.  writes
>>>>>>>>>On Feb 9, 12:34 am, amacmil...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:05:06 -0800 (PST), "John M."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is a rational argument that shooting is cruel.  Even the BASC's
>>>>>>>>>> own survey and vets' evidence at the Burns Inquiry have confirmed
>>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>There is a consensus among rational people that kosher and halal
>>>>>>>>>butchery is cruel. There isn't a hope in hell of having it banned
>>>>>>>>>until you convince the religious bigots that carry it out of this. So
>>>>>>>>>it is with shooting. If BASC recognise it is cruel, but wish to
>>>>>>>>>continue to shoot, they should be in the forefront of any chance to
>>>>>>>>>change existing legislation with regard to the practice. Have you
>>>>>>>>>talked to them about it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just a thought, John, but as this is Angus making a claim about BASC's
>>>>>>>>survey, the first thing you should ask for is the reference which shows
>>>>>>>>that the survey did indeed confirm that "shooting is cruel".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No need.  The survey that was leaked showed that up to 40% of
>>>>>>>gamebirds were injured rather than killed outright by shooters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You claimed that "the BASC's own survey" confirmed that "shooting is
>>>>>>cruel".
>>>>>
>>>>>They commissioned it.
>>>>>
>>>>Do they use the phrase "shooting is cruel"?
>>>
>>>Up to 40% injured is cruel.  Their survey confirms this.
>>>
>>I see that, unsurprisingly, you have indulged in your usual habit of
>>failing to answer a straightforward question, so I'll ask it again.
>>
>>Do BASC use the phrase "shooting is cruel", in their report.
>>
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>Where did I say they did?   Read what I wrote.
>
You said that their survey confirmed that "shooting is cruel".

As soon as I asked whether the survey even mentioned the word "cruel" 
you went into typical wriggling mode indicating that, clearly, it did 
not.

Yet another example of Angus twisting words and meanings :-(

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>>>>>>I suggested that you should be asked for the reference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Typically, you have failed to produce it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It's in the public domain.
>>>>>
>>>>>Look it up yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>So you don't know where it is. Thought not.
>>>
>>>Do your own research
>>>
>>So you don't know.
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>Of course I do and so do you.
>
Another typical Angus response.

He claims there is a report in the public domain, but when asked for the 
reference, fails to produce it.

-- 
Malcolm