Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas

1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
holidays in the Lake District and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
from the area that could adversely affect tourism.  That's one reason
why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support
red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.


2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
case for repealing the Hunting Act. He supports the view that foxes
should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
breaking the law behind the scenes.

A greedy little guy full of hate!


Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
___________________________
>
>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>
>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>
>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>it.

Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
weren't  keeping to the law.

>
>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.

Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.

>
>What more could you want?
>
>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>
In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
people  killing foxes.  It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
escape.

Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
-- 
Malcolm Kane

_________________



Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident. 
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:20:09 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:

>Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas
>
>1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
>holidays in the Lake District 

Nice I'd like to go there, whereabouts? I hope they allow smoking.

>and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
>trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
>from the area that could adversely affect tourism.  That's one reason
>why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support
>red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
>also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
>places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.
>
>
>2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
>case for repealing the Hunting Act. He supports the view that foxes
>should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
>this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
>dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
>to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
>breaking the law behind the scenes.
>
>A greedy little guy full of hate!
>
>
>Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
>adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
>___________________________
>>
>>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>>
>>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>>
>>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>>it.
>
>Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
>weren't  keeping to the law.
>
>>
>>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.
>
>Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
>Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.
>
>>
>>What more could you want?
>>
>>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>>
>In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
>people  killing foxes.  It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
>death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
>escape.
>
>Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.

He's just a pro hunt bully. nuff said.

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:52:07 +0000, Adam Hart 
wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:20:09 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:
>
>>Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas
>>
>>1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
>>holidays in the Lake District 
>
>Nice I'd like to go there, whereabouts? I

http://www.ambernook.co.uk/

 hope they allow smoking.

Probably not because of the fire risk to a timber building.

>
>>and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
>>trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
>>from the area that could adversely affect tourism.  That's one reason
>>why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support
>>red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
>>also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
>>places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.
>>
>>
>>2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
>>case for repealing the Hunting Act. He supports the view that foxes
>>should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
>>this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
>>dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
>>to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
>>breaking the law behind the scenes.
>>
>>A greedy little guy full of hate!
>>
>>
>>Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
>>adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
>>___________________________
>>>
>>>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>>>
>>>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>>>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>>>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>>>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>>>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>>>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>>>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>>>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>>>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>>>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>>>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>>>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>>>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>>>
>>>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>>>it.
>>
>>Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
>>weren't  keeping to the law.
>>
>>>
>>>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.
>>
>>Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
>>Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.
>>
>>>
>>>What more could you want?
>>>
>>>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>>>
>>In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
>>people  killing foxes.  It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
>>death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
>>escape.
>>
>>Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
>
>He's just a pro hunt bully. nuff said.
>

Yes, and a small time one at that


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident. 
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:08:37 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:52:07 +0000, Adam Hart 
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:20:09 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas
>>>
>>>1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
>>>holidays in the Lake District 
>>
>>Nice I'd like to go there, whereabouts? I
>
>http://www.ambernook.co.uk/

I doubt he gets much business being a pro hunt nut, who could support
that! Maybe people don't know yet? They sure will in due course.

>
>> hope they allow smoking.
>
>Probably not because of the fire risk to a timber building.

That's a shame it looks very nice there. Perhaps I'll pretend I don't
smoke in bed after I have had a few jars!

>>
>>>and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
>>>trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
>>>from the area that could adversely affect tourism.  That's one reason
>>>why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support
>>>red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
>>>also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
>>>places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.
>>>
>>>
>>>2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
>>>case for repealing the Hunting Act. He supports the view that foxes
>>>should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
>>>this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
>>>dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
>>>to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
>>>breaking the law behind the scenes.
>>>
>>>A greedy little guy full of hate!
>>>
>>>
>>>Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
>>>adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
>>>___________________________
>>>>
>>>>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>>>>
>>>>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>>>>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>>>>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>>>>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>>>>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>>>>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>>>>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>>>>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>>>>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>>>>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>>>>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>>>>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>>>>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>>>>
>>>>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>>>>it.
>>>
>>>Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
>>>weren't  keeping to the law.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.
>>>
>>>Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
>>>Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>What more could you want?
>>>>
>>>>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>>>>
>>>In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
>>>people  killing foxes.  It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
>>>death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
>>>escape.
>>>
>>>Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
>>
>>He's just a pro hunt bully. nuff said.
>>
>
>Yes, and a small time one at that
>
>
>Angus Macmillan
>www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
>www.killhunting.org
>www.con-servation.org.uk
>
>All truth passes through three stages:
>First, it is ridiculed;
>Second, it is violently opposed; and
>Third, it is accepted as self-evident. 
>-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

In message , 
amacmil304@aol.com writes
>Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas
>
>1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
>holidays in the Lake District and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
>trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
>from the area that could adversely affect tourism.

Oh dear Angus claims he is so unconcerned about what I post he doesn't 
even read my posts.  This would appear to be desperation in the extreme.

Incidentally the jewellers relies on local return customers what on 
earth made you think it would be tourism.

> That's one reason
>why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support

Angus thinks he is a mind reader.  If the casual reader cares to dig 
deep enough he will find posts where I have said I didn't support 
hunting until the posts from one Angus Macmillan ( I won't be rude 
enough to post all the personal details I know about him - unlike some 
desperate souls).  Posts from Angus caused me to look more deeply into 
fox hunting then I realised that hunting resulted in the death of fewer 
foxes and the kills were cleaner.

In view of what I found I feel hunting is the best way of controlling 
fox numbers. I do not follow a hunt or support one financial but I do 
recognise hunting as the method of killing foxes which is kindest to the 
fox.  Both from the fact no foxes escape wounded to die a lingering 
death and fewer foxes are killed.

I support the killing of grey squirrels because simply in some 
circumstances they are economic pest and because they are carrying a 
virus which the reds have no immunity to.  The greys a present in their 
native USA in large numbers and are introduced to UK I see no reason why 
the reds should be allowed to become extinct when we can try to help.  I 
do not believe in the AR ideals which lead to terrorism and body 
snatching.

>red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
>also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
>places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.

I support conservation for the sake of conservation.  Angus poor soul 
believes that he can read my mind.  I fail to see how conservation which 
I support which say takes place in Dorset or the highlands has any 
effect on "quote my own selfish agenda".

>
>
>2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
>case for repealing the Hunting Act.

True I hate people who dig up Grannies, post fire bombs, cause criminal 
damage and are part of the reason we have the extremely damaging mink 
loose in the UK.

I would expect any right minded person to do so.

The Hunting Act.  A lie from Angus.  I have never stated the hunting act 
should be repealed.  All I have ever done is point out the situation 
which Angus' own posts lead me to discover.

>He supports the view that foxes
>should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
>this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
>dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
>to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
>breaking the law behind the scenes.

Re read what I said Angus.  You must be reading my posts - oh hang on 
you said you don't.  A cynic might suggest that there was a lie in there 
somewhere.  I however couldn't possibly comment.

>
>A greedy little guy full of hate!

How do you know how big I am?

>
>
>Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
>adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
>___________________________
>>
>>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>>
>>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>>
>>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>>it.
>
>Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
>weren't  keeping to the law.
>
>>
>>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.
>
>Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
>Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.

I notice that you don't address this point Angus.

>
>>
>>What more could you want?
>>
>>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>>
>In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
>people  killing foxes.

Do you?  Do you think that every farmer who has a fox problem isn't 
taking pot shots at them rather than asking the hunt to call?  Do you 
think they don't take a pot shot at any they see to be on the safe side?

In the past they asked the hunt to pass through if they had a problem 
The hunt didn't always catch anything.

> It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
>death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
>escape.
>
>Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.


I notice you can't counter this statement.

For the casual reader.  Angus has been desperate to try to stop me 
posting for a long time.

He began by not answering my posts.  Fair enough he doesn't have to.  He 
has claimed he doesn't read my posts but here is obvious evidence that 
he does.  He has sent me letters threatening legal action because I had 
the temerity to suggest things about his attitude and its effect on wild 
life. (Note for Angus unlike you I do keep my word).

He starts threads based on personal abuse.  Look for a few which mention 
mad Penrith jewellers.  More than once he has tried this tack of posting 
personal details.

Angus it won't work.  I will post on a public forum my own views which 
as I have told you many times before are based on personal practical 
experience and many years of study.

Nice try but expect to see me posting for a long time.  With of course 
gaps if/when I am busy or away.

I will not be intimidated.  However I will make you a promise. one of 
these days you will push me too far with regard to the childish 
publishing of details and abuse.  If/when that happens I will retaliate.

If you can't take public debate on what you post go to a newsgroup which 
is more to your liking.  As most of your posts aren't about conservation 
one on AR might be better.

Have a nice day.
-- 
Malcolm Kane

In message , 
amacmil304@aol.com writes
>
>http://www.ambernook.co.uk/
>
Thanks for the advert Angus.  Personally I try to stick to news group 
conventions and don't advertise.

However as you have done that I suppose it is OK.
-- 
Malcolm Kane

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:57:16 +0000, Malcolm Kane
 wrote:

>In message , 
>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas
>>
>>1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
>>holidays in the Lake District and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
>>trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
>>from the area that could adversely affect tourism.
>
>Oh dear Angus claims he is so unconcerned about what I post he doesn't 
>even read my posts.  This would appear to be desperation in the extreme.
>
>Incidentally the jewellers relies on local return customers what on 
>earth made you think it would be tourism.
>
>> That's one reason
>>why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support
>
>Angus thinks he is a mind reader.  If the casual reader cares to dig 
>deep enough he will find posts where I have said I didn't support 
>hunting until the posts from one Angus Macmillan ( I won't be rude 
>enough to post all the personal details I know about him - unlike some 
>desperate souls).  Posts from Angus caused me to look more deeply into 
>fox hunting then I realised that hunting resulted in the death of fewer 
>foxes and the kills were cleaner.
>
>In view of what I found I feel hunting is the best way of controlling 
>fox numbers. I do not follow a hunt or support one financial but I do 
>recognise hunting as the method of killing foxes which is kindest to the 
>fox.  Both from the fact no foxes escape wounded to die a lingering 
>death and fewer foxes are killed.
>
>I support the killing of grey squirrels because simply in some 
>circumstances they are economic pest and because they are carrying a 
>virus which the reds have no immunity to.  The greys a present in their 
>native USA in large numbers and are introduced to UK I see no reason why 
>the reds should be allowed to become extinct when we can try to help.  I 
>do not believe in the AR ideals which lead to terrorism and body 
>snatching.
>
>>red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
>>also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
>>places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.
>
>I support conservation for the sake of conservation.  Angus poor soul 
>believes that he can read my mind.  I fail to see how conservation which 
>I support which say takes place in Dorset or the highlands has any 
>effect on "quote my own selfish agenda".
>
>>
>>
>>2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
>>case for repealing the Hunting Act.
>
>True I hate people who dig up Grannies, post fire bombs, cause criminal 
>damage and are part of the reason we have the extremely damaging mink 
>loose in the UK.
>
>I would expect any right minded person to do so.
>
>The Hunting Act.  A lie from Angus.  I have never stated the hunting act 
>should be repealed.  All I have ever done is point out the situation 
>which Angus' own posts lead me to discover.
>
>>He supports the view that foxes
>>should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
>>this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
>>dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
>>to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
>>breaking the law behind the scenes.
>
>Re read what I said Angus.  You must be reading my posts - oh hang on 
>you said you don't.  A cynic might suggest that there was a lie in there 
>somewhere.  I however couldn't possibly comment.
>
>>
>>A greedy little guy full of hate!
>
>How do you know how big I am?
>
>>
>>
>>Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
>>adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
>>___________________________
>>>
>>>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>>>
>>>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>>>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>>>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>>>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>>>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>>>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>>>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>>>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>>>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>>>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>>>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>>>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>>>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>>>
>>>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>>>it.
>>
>>Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
>>weren't  keeping to the law.
>>
>>>
>>>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.
>>
>>Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
>>Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.
>
>I notice that you don't address this point Angus.
>
>>
>>>
>>>What more could you want?
>>>
>>>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>>>
>>In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
>>people  killing foxes.
>
>Do you?  Do you think that every farmer who has a fox problem isn't 
>taking pot shots at them rather than asking the hunt to call?  Do you 
>think they don't take a pot shot at any they see to be on the safe side?
>
>In the past they asked the hunt to pass through if they had a problem 
>The hunt didn't always catch anything.
>
>> It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
>>death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
>>escape.
>>
>>Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
>
>
>I notice you can't counter this statement.
>
>For the casual reader.  Angus has been desperate to try to stop me 
>posting for a long time.
>
>He began by not answering my posts.  Fair enough he doesn't have to.  He 
>has claimed he doesn't read my posts but here is obvious evidence that 
>he does.  He has sent me letters threatening legal action because I had 
>the temerity to suggest things about his attitude and its effect on wild 
>life. (Note for Angus unlike you I do keep my word).
>
>He starts threads based on personal abuse.  Look for a few which mention 
>mad Penrith jewellers.  More than once he has tried this tack of posting 
>personal details.
>
>Angus it won't work.  I will post on a public forum my own views which 
>as I have told you many times before are based on personal practical 
>experience and many years of study.
>
>Nice try but expect to see me posting for a long time.  With of course 
>gaps if/when I am busy or away.
>
>I will not be intimidated.  However I will make you a promise. one of 
>these days you will push me too far with regard to the childish 
>publishing of details and abuse.  If/when that happens I will retaliate.

Wow! Am I meant to be impressed?  

Go and polish your stones :-))

>
>If you can't take public debate on what you post go to a newsgroup which 
>is more to your liking.  As most of your posts aren't about conservation 
>one on AR might be better.
>
>Have a nice day.

Much better than your by the look of it.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident. 
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:11:05 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:57:16 +0000, Malcolm Kane
> wrote:
>
>>In message , 
>>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>>Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas
>>>
>>>1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
>>>holidays in the Lake District and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
>>>trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
>>>from the area that could adversely affect tourism.
>>
>>Oh dear Angus claims he is so unconcerned about what I post he doesn't 
>>even read my posts.  This would appear to be desperation in the extreme.
>>
>>Incidentally the jewellers relies on local return customers what on 
>>earth made you think it would be tourism.
>>
>>> That's one reason
>>>why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support
>>
>>Angus thinks he is a mind reader.  If the casual reader cares to dig 
>>deep enough he will find posts where I have said I didn't support 
>>hunting until the posts from one Angus Macmillan ( I won't be rude 
>>enough to post all the personal details I know about him - unlike some 
>>desperate souls).  Posts from Angus caused me to look more deeply into 
>>fox hunting then I realised that hunting resulted in the death of fewer 
>>foxes and the kills were cleaner.
>>
>>In view of what I found I feel hunting is the best way of controlling 
>>fox numbers. I do not follow a hunt or support one financial but I do 
>>recognise hunting as the method of killing foxes which is kindest to the 
>>fox.  Both from the fact no foxes escape wounded to die a lingering 
>>death and fewer foxes are killed.
>>
>>I support the killing of grey squirrels because simply in some 
>>circumstances they are economic pest and because they are carrying a 
>>virus which the reds have no immunity to.  The greys a present in their 
>>native USA in large numbers and are introduced to UK I see no reason why 
>>the reds should be allowed to become extinct when we can try to help.  I 
>>do not believe in the AR ideals which lead to terrorism and body 
>>snatching.
>>
>>>red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
>>>also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
>>>places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.
>>
>>I support conservation for the sake of conservation.  Angus poor soul 
>>believes that he can read my mind.  I fail to see how conservation which 
>>I support which say takes place in Dorset or the highlands has any 
>>effect on "quote my own selfish agenda".
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
>>>case for repealing the Hunting Act.
>>
>>True I hate people who dig up Grannies, post fire bombs, cause criminal 
>>damage and are part of the reason we have the extremely damaging mink 
>>loose in the UK.
>>
>>I would expect any right minded person to do so.
>>
>>The Hunting Act.  A lie from Angus.  I have never stated the hunting act 
>>should be repealed.  All I have ever done is point out the situation 
>>which Angus' own posts lead me to discover.
>>
>>>He supports the view that foxes
>>>should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
>>>this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
>>>dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
>>>to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
>>>breaking the law behind the scenes.
>>
>>Re read what I said Angus.  You must be reading my posts - oh hang on 
>>you said you don't.  A cynic might suggest that there was a lie in there 
>>somewhere.  I however couldn't possibly comment.
>>
>>>
>>>A greedy little guy full of hate!
>>
>>How do you know how big I am?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
>>>adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
>>>___________________________
>>>>
>>>>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>>>>
>>>>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>>>>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>>>>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>>>>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>>>>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>>>>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>>>>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>>>>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>>>>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>>>>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>>>>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>>>>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>>>>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>>>>
>>>>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>>>>it.
>>>
>>>Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
>>>weren't  keeping to the law.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.
>>>
>>>Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
>>>Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.
>>
>>I notice that you don't address this point Angus.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>What more could you want?
>>>>
>>>>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>>>>
>>>In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
>>>people  killing foxes.
>>
>>Do you?  Do you think that every farmer who has a fox problem isn't 
>>taking pot shots at them rather than asking the hunt to call?  Do you 
>>think they don't take a pot shot at any they see to be on the safe side?
>>
>>In the past they asked the hunt to pass through if they had a problem 
>>The hunt didn't always catch anything.
>>
>>> It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
>>>death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
>>>escape.
>>>
>>>Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
>>
>>
>>I notice you can't counter this statement.
>>
>>For the casual reader.  Angus has been desperate to try to stop me 
>>posting for a long time.
>>
>>He began by not answering my posts.  Fair enough he doesn't have to.  He 
>>has claimed he doesn't read my posts but here is obvious evidence that 
>>he does.  He has sent me letters threatening legal action because I had 
>>the temerity to suggest things about his attitude and its effect on wild 
>>life. (Note for Angus unlike you I do keep my word).
>>
>>He starts threads based on personal abuse.  Look for a few which mention 
>>mad Penrith jewellers.  More than once he has tried this tack of posting 
>>personal details.
>>
>>Angus it won't work.  I will post on a public forum my own views which 
>>as I have told you many times before are based on personal practical 
>>experience and many years of study.
>>
>>Nice try but expect to see me posting for a long time.  With of course 
>>gaps if/when I am busy or away.
>>
>>I will not be intimidated.  However I will make you a promise. one of 
>>these days you will push me too far with regard to the childish 
>>publishing of details and abuse.  If/when that happens I will retaliate.
>
>Wow! Am I meant to be impressed?  
>
>Go and polish your stones :-))

Just the sort of threat we'd expect to see from a newsgroup bully, a
liar, cheat, fraud and pro hunt bully. If anyone is silly enough to
buy jewelry from jgj-jewellers.demon.co.uk or even rent a chalet from
http://www.ambernook.co.uk/ run by this nasty pro hunt piece of work,
I'd think twice.

Imagine if you were dealing with him and he found out you didn't agree
with bloodspots & bullying!

>>If you can't take public debate on what you post go to a newsgroup which 
>>is more to your liking.  As most of your posts aren't about conservation 
>>one on AR might be better.
>>
>>Have a nice day.
>
>Much better than your by the look of it.

Ha ha ha that's got to be the best poke in the eye of the day.

Oh well they were warned about glass houses.

Wont be long before he is infamous throughout Usenet!

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:43:53 +0000, Adam Hart 
wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:11:05 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:57:16 +0000, Malcolm Kane
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In message , 
>>>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>>>Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas
>>>>
>>>>1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
>>>>holidays in the Lake District and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
>>>>trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
>>>>from the area that could adversely affect tourism.
>>>
>>>Oh dear Angus claims he is so unconcerned about what I post he doesn't 
>>>even read my posts.  This would appear to be desperation in the extreme.
>>>
>>>Incidentally the jewellers relies on local return customers what on 
>>>earth made you think it would be tourism.
>>>
>>>> That's one reason
>>>>why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support
>>>
>>>Angus thinks he is a mind reader.  If the casual reader cares to dig 
>>>deep enough he will find posts where I have said I didn't support 
>>>hunting until the posts from one Angus Macmillan ( I won't be rude 
>>>enough to post all the personal details I know about him - unlike some 
>>>desperate souls).  Posts from Angus caused me to look more deeply into 
>>>fox hunting then I realised that hunting resulted in the death of fewer 
>>>foxes and the kills were cleaner.
>>>
>>>In view of what I found I feel hunting is the best way of controlling 
>>>fox numbers. I do not follow a hunt or support one financial but I do 
>>>recognise hunting as the method of killing foxes which is kindest to the 
>>>fox.  Both from the fact no foxes escape wounded to die a lingering 
>>>death and fewer foxes are killed.
>>>
>>>I support the killing of grey squirrels because simply in some 
>>>circumstances they are economic pest and because they are carrying a 
>>>virus which the reds have no immunity to.  The greys a present in their 
>>>native USA in large numbers and are introduced to UK I see no reason why 
>>>the reds should be allowed to become extinct when we can try to help.  I 
>>>do not believe in the AR ideals which lead to terrorism and body 
>>>snatching.
>>>
>>>>red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
>>>>also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
>>>>places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.
>>>
>>>I support conservation for the sake of conservation.  Angus poor soul 
>>>believes that he can read my mind.  I fail to see how conservation which 
>>>I support which say takes place in Dorset or the highlands has any 
>>>effect on "quote my own selfish agenda".
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
>>>>case for repealing the Hunting Act.
>>>
>>>True I hate people who dig up Grannies, post fire bombs, cause criminal 
>>>damage and are part of the reason we have the extremely damaging mink 
>>>loose in the UK.
>>>
>>>I would expect any right minded person to do so.
>>>
>>>The Hunting Act.  A lie from Angus.  I have never stated the hunting act 
>>>should be repealed.  All I have ever done is point out the situation 
>>>which Angus' own posts lead me to discover.
>>>
>>>>He supports the view that foxes
>>>>should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
>>>>this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
>>>>dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
>>>>to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
>>>>breaking the law behind the scenes.
>>>
>>>Re read what I said Angus.  You must be reading my posts - oh hang on 
>>>you said you don't.  A cynic might suggest that there was a lie in there 
>>>somewhere.  I however couldn't possibly comment.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>A greedy little guy full of hate!
>>>
>>>How do you know how big I am?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
>>>>adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
>>>>___________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>>>>>
>>>>>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>>>>>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>>>>>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>>>>>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>>>>>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>>>>>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>>>>>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>>>>>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>>>>>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>>>>>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>>>>>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>>>>>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>>>>>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
>>>>weren't  keeping to the law.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.
>>>>
>>>>Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
>>>>Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.
>>>
>>>I notice that you don't address this point Angus.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What more could you want?
>>>>>
>>>>>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>>>>>
>>>>In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
>>>>people  killing foxes.
>>>
>>>Do you?  Do you think that every farmer who has a fox problem isn't 
>>>taking pot shots at them rather than asking the hunt to call?  Do you 
>>>think they don't take a pot shot at any they see to be on the safe side?
>>>
>>>In the past they asked the hunt to pass through if they had a problem 
>>>The hunt didn't always catch anything.
>>>
>>>> It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
>>>>death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
>>>>escape.
>>>>
>>>>Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
>>>
>>>
>>>I notice you can't counter this statement.
>>>
>>>For the casual reader.  Angus has been desperate to try to stop me 
>>>posting for a long time.
>>>
>>>He began by not answering my posts.  Fair enough he doesn't have to.  He 
>>>has claimed he doesn't read my posts but here is obvious evidence that 
>>>he does.  He has sent me letters threatening legal action because I had 
>>>the temerity to suggest things about his attitude and its effect on wild 
>>>life. (Note for Angus unlike you I do keep my word).
>>>
>>>He starts threads based on personal abuse.  Look for a few which mention 
>>>mad Penrith jewellers.  More than once he has tried this tack of posting 
>>>personal details.
>>>
>>>Angus it won't work.  I will post on a public forum my own views which 
>>>as I have told you many times before are based on personal practical 
>>>experience and many years of study.
>>>
>>>Nice try but expect to see me posting for a long time.  With of course 
>>>gaps if/when I am busy or away.
>>>
>>>I will not be intimidated.  However I will make you a promise. one of 
>>>these days you will push me too far with regard to the childish 
>>>publishing of details and abuse.  If/when that happens I will retaliate.
>>
>>Wow! Am I meant to be impressed?  
>>
>>Go and polish your stones :-))
>
>Just the sort of threat we'd expect to see from a newsgroup bully, a
>liar, cheat, fraud and pro hunt bully. If anyone is silly enough to
>buy jewelry from jgj-jewellers.demon.co.uk or even rent a chalet from
>http://www.ambernook.co.uk/ run by this nasty pro hunt piece of work,
>I'd think twice.
>
>Imagine if you were dealing with him and he found out you didn't agree
>with bloodspots & bullying!
>
>>>If you can't take public debate on what you post go to a newsgroup which 
>>>is more to your liking.  As most of your posts aren't about conservation 
>>>one on AR might be better.
>>>
>>>Have a nice day.
>>
>>Much better than your by the look of it.
>
>Ha ha ha that's got to be the best poke in the eye of the day.
>
>Oh well they were warned about glass houses.
>
>Wont be long before he is infamous throughout Usenet!

Interesting history on our pro hunt bully on google
http://tinyurl.com/2d5njl

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:01:26 +0000, Adam Hart 
wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:43:53 +0000, Adam Hart 
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:11:05 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:57:16 +0000, Malcolm Kane
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message , 
>>>>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>>>>Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas
>>>>>
>>>>>1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
>>>>>holidays in the Lake District and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
>>>>>trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
>>>>>from the area that could adversely affect tourism.
>>>>
>>>>Oh dear Angus claims he is so unconcerned about what I post he doesn't 
>>>>even read my posts.  This would appear to be desperation in the extreme.
>>>>
>>>>Incidentally the jewellers relies on local return customers what on 
>>>>earth made you think it would be tourism.
>>>>
>>>>> That's one reason
>>>>>why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support
>>>>
>>>>Angus thinks he is a mind reader.  If the casual reader cares to dig 
>>>>deep enough he will find posts where I have said I didn't support 
>>>>hunting until the posts from one Angus Macmillan ( I won't be rude 
>>>>enough to post all the personal details I know about him - unlike some 
>>>>desperate souls).  Posts from Angus caused me to look more deeply into 
>>>>fox hunting then I realised that hunting resulted in the death of fewer 
>>>>foxes and the kills were cleaner.
>>>>
>>>>In view of what I found I feel hunting is the best way of controlling 
>>>>fox numbers. I do not follow a hunt or support one financial but I do 
>>>>recognise hunting as the method of killing foxes which is kindest to the 
>>>>fox.  Both from the fact no foxes escape wounded to die a lingering 
>>>>death and fewer foxes are killed.
>>>>
>>>>I support the killing of grey squirrels because simply in some 
>>>>circumstances they are economic pest and because they are carrying a 
>>>>virus which the reds have no immunity to.  The greys a present in their 
>>>>native USA in large numbers and are introduced to UK I see no reason why 
>>>>the reds should be allowed to become extinct when we can try to help.  I 
>>>>do not believe in the AR ideals which lead to terrorism and body 
>>>>snatching.
>>>>
>>>>>red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
>>>>>also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
>>>>>places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.
>>>>
>>>>I support conservation for the sake of conservation.  Angus poor soul 
>>>>believes that he can read my mind.  I fail to see how conservation which 
>>>>I support which say takes place in Dorset or the highlands has any 
>>>>effect on "quote my own selfish agenda".
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
>>>>>case for repealing the Hunting Act.
>>>>
>>>>True I hate people who dig up Grannies, post fire bombs, cause criminal 
>>>>damage and are part of the reason we have the extremely damaging mink 
>>>>loose in the UK.
>>>>
>>>>I would expect any right minded person to do so.
>>>>
>>>>The Hunting Act.  A lie from Angus.  I have never stated the hunting act 
>>>>should be repealed.  All I have ever done is point out the situation 
>>>>which Angus' own posts lead me to discover.
>>>>
>>>>>He supports the view that foxes
>>>>>should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
>>>>>this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
>>>>>dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
>>>>>to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
>>>>>breaking the law behind the scenes.
>>>>
>>>>Re read what I said Angus.  You must be reading my posts - oh hang on 
>>>>you said you don't.  A cynic might suggest that there was a lie in there 
>>>>somewhere.  I however couldn't possibly comment.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>A greedy little guy full of hate!
>>>>
>>>>How do you know how big I am?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
>>>>>adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
>>>>>___________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>>>>>>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>>>>>>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>>>>>>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>>>>>>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>>>>>>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>>>>>>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>>>>>>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>>>>>>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>>>>>>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>>>>>>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>>>>>>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>>>>>>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>>>>>>it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
>>>>>weren't  keeping to the law.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.
>>>>>
>>>>>Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
>>>>>Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.
>>>>
>>>>I notice that you don't address this point Angus.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What more could you want?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>>>>>>
>>>>>In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
>>>>>people  killing foxes.
>>>>
>>>>Do you?  Do you think that every farmer who has a fox problem isn't 
>>>>taking pot shots at them rather than asking the hunt to call?  Do you 
>>>>think they don't take a pot shot at any they see to be on the safe side?
>>>>
>>>>In the past they asked the hunt to pass through if they had a problem 
>>>>The hunt didn't always catch anything.
>>>>
>>>>> It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
>>>>>death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
>>>>>escape.
>>>>>
>>>>>Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I notice you can't counter this statement.
>>>>
>>>>For the casual reader.  Angus has been desperate to try to stop me 
>>>>posting for a long time.
>>>>
>>>>He began by not answering my posts.  Fair enough he doesn't have to.  He 
>>>>has claimed he doesn't read my posts but here is obvious evidence that 
>>>>he does.  He has sent me letters threatening legal action because I had 
>>>>the temerity to suggest things about his attitude and its effect on wild 
>>>>life. (Note for Angus unlike you I do keep my word).
>>>>
>>>>He starts threads based on personal abuse.  Look for a few which mention 
>>>>mad Penrith jewellers.  More than once he has tried this tack of posting 
>>>>personal details.
>>>>
>>>>Angus it won't work.  I will post on a public forum my own views which 
>>>>as I have told you many times before are based on personal practical 
>>>>experience and many years of study.
>>>>
>>>>Nice try but expect to see me posting for a long time.  With of course 
>>>>gaps if/when I am busy or away.
>>>>
>>>>I will not be intimidated.  However I will make you a promise. one of 
>>>>these days you will push me too far with regard to the childish 
>>>>publishing of details and abuse.  If/when that happens I will retaliate.
>>>
>>>Wow! Am I meant to be impressed?  
>>>
>>>Go and polish your stones :-))
>>
>>Just the sort of threat we'd expect to see from a newsgroup bully, a
>>liar, cheat, fraud and pro hunt bully. If anyone is silly enough to
>>buy jewelry from jgj-jewellers.demon.co.uk or even rent a chalet from
>>http://www.ambernook.co.uk/ run by this nasty pro hunt piece of work,
>>I'd think twice.
>>
>>Imagine if you were dealing with him and he found out you didn't agree
>>with bloodspots & bullying!
>>
>>>>If you can't take public debate on what you post go to a newsgroup which 
>>>>is more to your liking.  As most of your posts aren't about conservation 
>>>>one on AR might be better.
>>>>
>>>>Have a nice day.
>>>
>>>Much better than your by the look of it.
>>
>>Ha ha ha that's got to be the best poke in the eye of the day.
>>
>>Oh well they were warned about glass houses.
>>
>>Wont be long before he is infamous throughout Usenet!
>
>Interesting history on our pro hunt bully on google
>http://tinyurl.com/2d5njl


Yes. But since he's stalking me on a daily basis on this ng perhaps I
should stalk him in return and go through his catalogue and show the
price benefits of buying elsewhere.

Here's a good start:

From Zippy Sisters in London  £89.00

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cloud-Dome-Photographic-Studio-Lighting-Universal-DOME_W0QQitemZ180200124030QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3860QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQtrksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem


From the Gem Den in Penrith  £144. 00

http://www.clouddome.co.uk/acatalog/index.html

That's how he treats his "local repeat customers" :-((


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident. 
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:40:54 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:01:26 +0000, Adam Hart 
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:43:53 +0000, Adam Hart 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:11:05 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:57:16 +0000, Malcolm Kane
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In message , 
>>>>>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>>>>>Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
>>>>>>holidays in the Lake District and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
>>>>>>trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
>>>>>>from the area that could adversely affect tourism.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh dear Angus claims he is so unconcerned about what I post he doesn't 
>>>>>even read my posts.  This would appear to be desperation in the extreme.
>>>>>
>>>>>Incidentally the jewellers relies on local return customers what on 
>>>>>earth made you think it would be tourism.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's one reason
>>>>>>why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support
>>>>>
>>>>>Angus thinks he is a mind reader.  If the casual reader cares to dig 
>>>>>deep enough he will find posts where I have said I didn't support 
>>>>>hunting until the posts from one Angus Macmillan ( I won't be rude 
>>>>>enough to post all the personal details I know about him - unlike some 
>>>>>desperate souls).  Posts from Angus caused me to look more deeply into 
>>>>>fox hunting then I realised that hunting resulted in the death of fewer 
>>>>>foxes and the kills were cleaner.
>>>>>
>>>>>In view of what I found I feel hunting is the best way of controlling 
>>>>>fox numbers. I do not follow a hunt or support one financial but I do 
>>>>>recognise hunting as the method of killing foxes which is kindest to the 
>>>>>fox.  Both from the fact no foxes escape wounded to die a lingering 
>>>>>death and fewer foxes are killed.
>>>>>
>>>>>I support the killing of grey squirrels because simply in some 
>>>>>circumstances they are economic pest and because they are carrying a 
>>>>>virus which the reds have no immunity to.  The greys a present in their 
>>>>>native USA in large numbers and are introduced to UK I see no reason why 
>>>>>the reds should be allowed to become extinct when we can try to help.  I 
>>>>>do not believe in the AR ideals which lead to terrorism and body 
>>>>>snatching.
>>>>>
>>>>>>red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
>>>>>>also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
>>>>>>places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.
>>>>>
>>>>>I support conservation for the sake of conservation.  Angus poor soul 
>>>>>believes that he can read my mind.  I fail to see how conservation which 
>>>>>I support which say takes place in Dorset or the highlands has any 
>>>>>effect on "quote my own selfish agenda".
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
>>>>>>case for repealing the Hunting Act.
>>>>>
>>>>>True I hate people who dig up Grannies, post fire bombs, cause criminal 
>>>>>damage and are part of the reason we have the extremely damaging mink 
>>>>>loose in the UK.
>>>>>
>>>>>I would expect any right minded person to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Hunting Act.  A lie from Angus.  I have never stated the hunting act 
>>>>>should be repealed.  All I have ever done is point out the situation 
>>>>>which Angus' own posts lead me to discover.
>>>>>
>>>>>>He supports the view that foxes
>>>>>>should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
>>>>>>this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
>>>>>>dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
>>>>>>to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
>>>>>>breaking the law behind the scenes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Re read what I said Angus.  You must be reading my posts - oh hang on 
>>>>>you said you don't.  A cynic might suggest that there was a lie in there 
>>>>>somewhere.  I however couldn't possibly comment.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A greedy little guy full of hate!
>>>>>
>>>>>How do you know how big I am?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
>>>>>>adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
>>>>>>___________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>>>>>>>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>>>>>>>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>>>>>>>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>>>>>>>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>>>>>>>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>>>>>>>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>>>>>>>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>>>>>>>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>>>>>>>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>>>>>>>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>>>>>>>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>>>>>>>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>>>>>>>it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
>>>>>>weren't  keeping to the law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
>>>>>>Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.
>>>>>
>>>>>I notice that you don't address this point Angus.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What more could you want?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
>>>>>>people  killing foxes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you?  Do you think that every farmer who has a fox problem isn't 
>>>>>taking pot shots at them rather than asking the hunt to call?  Do you 
>>>>>think they don't take a pot shot at any they see to be on the safe side?
>>>>>
>>>>>In the past they asked the hunt to pass through if they had a problem 
>>>>>The hunt didn't always catch anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
>>>>>>death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
>>>>>>escape.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I notice you can't counter this statement.
>>>>>
>>>>>For the casual reader.  Angus has been desperate to try to stop me 
>>>>>posting for a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>>He began by not answering my posts.  Fair enough he doesn't have to.  He 
>>>>>has claimed he doesn't read my posts but here is obvious evidence that 
>>>>>he does.  He has sent me letters threatening legal action because I had 
>>>>>the temerity to suggest things about his attitude and its effect on wild 
>>>>>life. (Note for Angus unlike you I do keep my word).
>>>>>
>>>>>He starts threads based on personal abuse.  Look for a few which mention 
>>>>>mad Penrith jewellers.  More than once he has tried this tack of posting 
>>>>>personal details.
>>>>>
>>>>>Angus it won't work.  I will post on a public forum my own views which 
>>>>>as I have told you many times before are based on personal practical 
>>>>>experience and many years of study.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nice try but expect to see me posting for a long time.  With of course 
>>>>>gaps if/when I am busy or away.
>>>>>
>>>>>I will not be intimidated.  However I will make you a promise. one of 
>>>>>these days you will push me too far with regard to the childish 
>>>>>publishing of details and abuse.  If/when that happens I will retaliate.
>>>>
>>>>Wow! Am I meant to be impressed?  
>>>>
>>>>Go and polish your stones :-))
>>>
>>>Just the sort of threat we'd expect to see from a newsgroup bully, a
>>>liar, cheat, fraud and pro hunt bully. If anyone is silly enough to
>>>buy jewelry from jgj-jewellers.demon.co.uk or even rent a chalet from
>>>http://www.ambernook.co.uk/ run by this nasty pro hunt piece of work,
>>>I'd think twice.
>>>
>>>Imagine if you were dealing with him and he found out you didn't agree
>>>with bloodspots & bullying!
>>>
>>>>>If you can't take public debate on what you post go to a newsgroup which 
>>>>>is more to your liking.  As most of your posts aren't about conservation 
>>>>>one on AR might be better.
>>>>>
>>>>>Have a nice day.
>>>>
>>>>Much better than your by the look of it.
>>>
>>>Ha ha ha that's got to be the best poke in the eye of the day.
>>>
>>>Oh well they were warned about glass houses.
>>>
>>>Wont be long before he is infamous throughout Usenet!
>>
>>Interesting history on our pro hunt bully on google
>>http://tinyurl.com/2d5njl
>
>
>Yes. But since he's stalking me on a daily basis on this ng perhaps I
>should stalk him in return and go through his catalogue and show the
>price benefits of buying elsewhere.
>
>Here's a good start:
>
>From Zippy Sisters in London  £89.00
>
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cloud-Dome-Photographic-Studio-Lighting-Universal-DOME_W0QQitemZ180200124030QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3860QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQtrksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
>From the Gem Den in Penrith  £144. 00
>
>http://www.clouddome.co.uk/acatalog/index.html
>
>That's how he treats his "local repeat customers" :-((

Scandalous rip off. So let me get this straight. The Malcolm Kane (pro
hunt extremist and newsgroup bully) passing himself off as The Gem Den
31 King Street Penrith Cumbria CA11 7AY United Kingdom
Phone:01768 899989 Fax: 01768 862111 Email:
Sue@jgj-jewellers.demon.co.uk
613 6422 49 

jgj-jewellers and others expects us to pay almost double for the same
product and even then customer service is clearly non existent. The
best you could hope for would be a mouthful of abuse!

I wonder what *Cloud Dome* which is an American based firm would have
to say if they were presented, anonymously with this lunatics history
from Google?

I'm having second thoughts about staying at Amber Nook the supposedly
attractive recently built holiday accomodation near Penrith on the
edge of the English Lake District in Cumbria. Even though the property
is in a development of similar lodges in a rural setting at Yanwath,
beteween the Lakes and the Eden Valley. I wonder if the landowners and
other residents are aware they have a pro hunt extremist and newsgroup
bully in their midst? I also note he is careful to put his partners
name to all the businesses, the sign of a real man, he claims The
Owners: Sue & Malcolm Kane E-mail sue@ambernook.co.uk
can be contacted with any questions. Well I for one have plenty.

Not to mention the dodgy grammar and spelling mistakes in the advert!

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:11:05 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:57:16 +0000, Malcolm Kane
> wrote:
>
>>In message , 
>>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>>Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas
>>>
>>>1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
>>>holidays in the Lake District and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
>>>trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
>>>from the area that could adversely affect tourism.
>>
>>Oh dear Angus claims he is so unconcerned about what I post he doesn't 
>>even read my posts.  This would appear to be desperation in the extreme.
>>
>>Incidentally the jewellers relies on local return customers what on 
>>earth made you think it would be tourism.
>>
>>> That's one reason
>>>why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support
>>
>>Angus thinks he is a mind reader.  If the casual reader cares to dig 
>>deep enough he will find posts where I have said I didn't support 
>>hunting until the posts from one Angus Macmillan ( I won't be rude 
>>enough to post all the personal details I know about him - unlike some 
>>desperate souls).  Posts from Angus caused me to look more deeply into 
>>fox hunting then I realised that hunting resulted in the death of fewer 
>>foxes and the kills were cleaner.
>>
>>In view of what I found I feel hunting is the best way of controlling 
>>fox numbers. I do not follow a hunt or support one financial but I do 
>>recognise hunting as the method of killing foxes which is kindest to the 
>>fox.  Both from the fact no foxes escape wounded to die a lingering 
>>death and fewer foxes are killed.
>>
>>I support the killing of grey squirrels because simply in some 
>>circumstances they are economic pest and because they are carrying a 
>>virus which the reds have no immunity to.  The greys a present in their 
>>native USA in large numbers and are introduced to UK I see no reason why 
>>the reds should be allowed to become extinct when we can try to help.  I 
>>do not believe in the AR ideals which lead to terrorism and body 
>>snatching.
>>
>>>red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
>>>also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
>>>places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.
>>
>>I support conservation for the sake of conservation.  Angus poor soul 
>>believes that he can read my mind.  I fail to see how conservation which 
>>I support which say takes place in Dorset or the highlands has any 
>>effect on "quote my own selfish agenda".
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
>>>case for repealing the Hunting Act.
>>
>>True I hate people who dig up Grannies, post fire bombs, cause criminal 
>>damage and are part of the reason we have the extremely damaging mink 
>>loose in the UK.
>>
>>I would expect any right minded person to do so.
>>
>>The Hunting Act.  A lie from Angus.  I have never stated the hunting act 
>>should be repealed.  All I have ever done is point out the situation 
>>which Angus' own posts lead me to discover.
>>
>>>He supports the view that foxes
>>>should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
>>>this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
>>>dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
>>>to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
>>>breaking the law behind the scenes.
>>
>>Re read what I said Angus.  You must be reading my posts - oh hang on 
>>you said you don't.  A cynic might suggest that there was a lie in there 
>>somewhere.  I however couldn't possibly comment.
>>
>>>
>>>A greedy little guy full of hate!
>>
>>How do you know how big I am?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
>>>adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
>>>___________________________
>>>>
>>>>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>>>>
>>>>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>>>>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>>>>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>>>>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>>>>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>>>>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>>>>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>>>>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>>>>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>>>>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>>>>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>>>>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>>>>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>>>>
>>>>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>>>>it.
>>>
>>>Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
>>>weren't  keeping to the law.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.
>>>
>>>Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
>>>Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.
>>
>>I notice that you don't address this point Angus.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>What more could you want?
>>>>
>>>>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>>>>
>>>In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
>>>people  killing foxes.
>>
>>Do you?  Do you think that every farmer who has a fox problem isn't 
>>taking pot shots at them rather than asking the hunt to call?  Do you 
>>think they don't take a pot shot at any they see to be on the safe side?
>>
>>In the past they asked the hunt to pass through if they had a problem 
>>The hunt didn't always catch anything.
>>
>>> It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
>>>death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
>>>escape.
>>>
>>>Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
>>
>>
>>I notice you can't counter this statement.
>>vv
>>For the casual reader.  Angus has been desperate to try to stop me 
>>posting for a long time.
>>
>>He began by not answering my posts.  Fair enough he doesn't have to.  He 
>>has claimed he doesn't read my posts but here is obvious evidence that 
>>he does.  He has sent me letters threatening legal action because I had 
>>the temerity to suggest things about his attitude and its effect on wild 
>>life. (Note for Angus unlike you I do keep my word).
>>
>>He starts threads based on personal abuse.  Look for a few which mention 
>>mad Penrith jewellers.  More than once he has tried this tack of posting 
>>personal details.
>>
>>Angus it won't work.  I will post on a public forum my own views which 
>>as I have told you many times before are based on personal practical 
>>experience and many years of study.
>>
>>Nice try but expect to see me posting for a long time.  With of course 
>>gaps if/when I am busy or away.
>>
>>I will not be intimidated.  However I will make you a promise. one of 
>>these days you will push me too far with regard to the childish 
>>publishing of details and abuse.  If/when that happens I will retaliate.
>
>Wow! Am I meant to be impressed?  
>
>Go and polish your stones :-))

Just the sort of threat we'd expect to see from a newsgroup bully, a
liar, cheat, fraud and pro hunt bully. If anyone is silly enough to
buy jewelry from jgj-jewellers.demon.co.uk or even rent a chalet from
http://www.ambernook.co.uk/ run by this nasty pro hunt piece of work,
I'd think twice.

Imagine if you were dealing with him and he found out you didn't agree
with bloodspots & bullying!

>>If you can't take public debate on what you post go to a newsgroup which 
>>is more to your liking.  As most of your posts aren't about conservation 
>>one on AR might be better.
>>
>>Have a nice day.
>
>Much better than your by the look of it.

Ha ha ha that's got to be the best poke in the eye of the day.

Oh well they were warned about glass houses.

Wont be long before he is infamous throughout Usenet!

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:43:53 +0000, Adam Hart 
wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:11:05 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:57:16 +0000, Malcolm Kane
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In message , 
>>>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>>>Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas
>>>>
>>>>1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
>>>>holidays in the Lake District and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
>>>>trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
>>>>from the area that could adversely affect tourism.
>>>
>>>Oh dear Angus claims he is so unconcerned about what I post he doesn't 
>>>even read my posts.  This would appear to be desperation in the extreme.
>>>
>>>Incidentally the jewellers relies on local return customers what on 
>>>earth made you think it would be tourism.
>>>
>>>> That's one reason
>>>>why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support
>>>
>>>Angus thinks he is a mind reader.  If the casual reader cares to dig 
>>>deep enough he will find posts where I have said I didn't support 
>>>hunting until the posts from one Angus Macmillan ( I won't be rude 
>>>enough to post all the personal details I know about him - unlike some 
>>>desperate souls).  Posts from Angus caused me to look more deeply into 
>>>fox hunting then I realised that hunting resulted in the death of fewer 
>>>foxes and the kills were cleaner.
>>>
>>>In view of what I found I feel hunting is the best way of controlling 
>>>fox numbers. I do not follow a hunt or support one financial but I do 
>>>recognise hunting as the method of killing foxes which is kindest to the 
>>>fox.  Both from the fact no foxes escape wounded to die a lingering 
>>>death and fewer foxes are killed.
>>>
>>>I support the killing of grey squirrels because simply in some 
>>>circumstances they are economic pest and because they are carrying a 
>>>virus which the reds have no immunity to.  The greys a present in their 
>>>native USA in large numbers and are introduced to UK I see no reason why 
>>>the reds should be allowed to become extinct when we can try to help.  I 
>>>do not believe in the AR ideals which lead to terrorism and body 
>>>snatching.
>>>
>>>>red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
>>>>also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
>>>>places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.
>>>
>>>I support conservation for the sake of conservation.  Angus poor soul 
>>>believes that he can read my mind.  I fail to see how conservation which 
>>>I support which say takes place in Dorset or the highlands has any 
>>>effect on "quote my own selfish agenda".
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
>>>>case for repealing the Hunting Act.
>>>
>>>True I hate people who dig up Grannies, post fire bombs, cause criminal 
>>>damage and are part of the reason we have the extremely damaging mink 
>>>loose in the UK.
>>>
>>>I would expect any right minded person to do so.
>>>
>>>The Hunting Act.  A lie from Angus.  I have never stated the hunting act 
>>>should be repealed.  All I have ever done is point out the situation 
>>>which Angus' own posts lead me to discover.
>>>
>>>>He supports the view that foxes
>>>>should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
>>>>this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
>>>>dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
>>>>to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
>>>>breaking the law behind the scenes.
>>>
>>>Re read what I said Angus.  You must be reading my posts - oh hang on 
>>>you said you don't.  A cynic might suggest that there was a lie in there 
>>>somewhere.  I however couldn't possibly comment.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>A greedy little guy full of hate!
>>>
>>>How do you know how big I am?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
>>>>adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
>>>>___________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>>>>>
>>>>>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>>>>>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>>>>>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>>>>>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>>>>>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>>>>>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>>>>>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>>>>>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>>>>>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>>>>>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>>>>>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>>>>>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>>>>>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
>>>>weren't  keeping to the law.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.
>>>>
>>>>Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
>>>>Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.
>>>
>>>I notice that you don't address this point Angus.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What more could you want?
>>>>>
>>>>>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>>>>>
>>>>In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
>>>>people  killing foxes.
>>>
>>>Do you?  Do you think that every farmer who has a fox problem isn't 
>>>taking pot shots at them rather than asking the hunt to call?  Do you 
>>>think they don't take a pot shot at any they see to be on the safe side?
>>>
>>>In the past they asked the hunt to pass through if they had a problem 
>>>The hunt didn't always catch anything.
>>>
>>>> It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
>>>>death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
>>>>escape.
>>>>
>>>>Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
>>>
>>>
>>>I notice you can't counter this statement.
>>>
>>>For the casual reader.  Angus has been desperate to try to stop me 
>>>posting for a long time.
>>>
>>>He began by not answering my posts.  Fair enough he doesn't have to.  He 
>>>has claimed he doesn't read my posts but here is obvious evidence that 
>>>he does.  He has sent me letters threatening legal action because I had 
>>>the temerity to suggest things about his attitude and its effect on wild 
>>>life. (Note for Angus unlike you I do keep my word).
>>>
>>>He starts threads based on personal abuse.  Look for a few which mention 
>>>mad Penrith jewellers.  More than once he has tried this tack of posting 
>>>personal details.
>>>
>>>Angus it won't work.  I will post on a public forum my own views which 
>>>as I have told you many times before are based on personal practical 
>>>experience and many years of study.
>>>
>>>Nice try but expect to see me posting for a long time.  With of course 
>>>gaps if/when I am busy or away.
>>>
>>>I will not be intimidated.  However I will make you a promise. one of 
>>>these days you will push me too far with regard to the childish 
>>>publishing of details and abuse.  If/when that happens I will retaliate.
>>
>>Wow! Am I meant to be impressed?  
>>
>>Go and polish your stones :-))
>
>Just the sort of threat we'd expect to see from a newsgroup bully, a
>liar, cheat, fraud and pro hunt bully. If anyone is silly enough to
>buy jewelry from jgj-jewellers.demon.co.uk or even rent a chalet from
>http://www.ambernook.co.uk/ run by this nasty pro hunt piece of work,
>I'd think twice.
>
>Imagine if you were dealing with him and he found out you didn't agree
>with bloodspots & bullying!
>
>>>If you can't take public debate on what you post go to a newsgroup which 
>>>is more to your liking.  As most of your posts aren't about conservation 
>>>one on AR might be better.
>>>
>>>Have a nice day.
>>
>>Much better than your by the look of it.
>
>Ha ha ha that's got to be the best poke in the eye of the day.
>
>Oh well they were warned about glass houses.
>
>Wont be long before he is infamous throughout Usenet!

Interesting history on our pro hunt bully on google
http://tinyurl.com/2d5njl

The loser.

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:40:54 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:01:26 +0000, Adam Hart 
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:43:53 +0000, Adam Hart 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:11:05 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:57:16 +0000, Malcolm Kane
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In message , 
>>>>>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>>>>>Malcolm Kane from Penrith has two agendas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. From the selfish point of view he rents out a timber chalet for
>>>>>>holidays in the Lake District and is a partner in the Gem Den, a
>>>>>>trinket shop in Penrith, so doesn't want anything that can detract
>>>>>>from the area that could adversely affect tourism.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh dear Angus claims he is so unconcerned about what I post he doesn't 
>>>>>even read my posts.  This would appear to be desperation in the extreme.
>>>>>
>>>>>Incidentally the jewellers relies on local return customers what on 
>>>>>earth made you think it would be tourism.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's one reason
>>>>>>why he supports hunting and the killing of grey squirrels to support
>>>>>
>>>>>Angus thinks he is a mind reader.  If the casual reader cares to dig 
>>>>>deep enough he will find posts where I have said I didn't support 
>>>>>hunting until the posts from one Angus Macmillan ( I won't be rude 
>>>>>enough to post all the personal details I know about him - unlike some 
>>>>>desperate souls).  Posts from Angus caused me to look more deeply into 
>>>>>fox hunting then I realised that hunting resulted in the death of fewer 
>>>>>foxes and the kills were cleaner.
>>>>>
>>>>>In view of what I found I feel hunting is the best way of controlling 
>>>>>fox numbers. I do not follow a hunt or support one financial but I do 
>>>>>recognise hunting as the method of killing foxes which is kindest to the 
>>>>>fox.  Both from the fact no foxes escape wounded to die a lingering 
>>>>>death and fewer foxes are killed.
>>>>>
>>>>>I support the killing of grey squirrels because simply in some 
>>>>>circumstances they are economic pest and because they are carrying a 
>>>>>virus which the reds have no immunity to.  The greys a present in their 
>>>>>native USA in large numbers and are introduced to UK I see no reason why 
>>>>>the reds should be allowed to become extinct when we can try to help.  I 
>>>>>do not believe in the AR ideals which lead to terrorism and body 
>>>>>snatching.
>>>>>
>>>>>>red squirrels and anything that can bring in tourism to the area.  He
>>>>>>also supports organisations that increase the human footprint in wild
>>>>>>places, in the name of "conservation", for his own selfish agenda.
>>>>>
>>>>>I support conservation for the sake of conservation.  Angus poor soul 
>>>>>believes that he can read my mind.  I fail to see how conservation which 
>>>>>I support which say takes place in Dorset or the highlands has any 
>>>>>effect on "quote my own selfish agenda".
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2. He is an ardent hater of animal rights and constantly makes the
>>>>>>case for repealing the Hunting Act.
>>>>>
>>>>>True I hate people who dig up Grannies, post fire bombs, cause criminal 
>>>>>damage and are part of the reason we have the extremely damaging mink 
>>>>>loose in the UK.
>>>>>
>>>>>I would expect any right minded person to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Hunting Act.  A lie from Angus.  I have never stated the hunting act 
>>>>>should be repealed.  All I have ever done is point out the situation 
>>>>>which Angus' own posts lead me to discover.
>>>>>
>>>>>>He supports the view that foxes
>>>>>>should be ripped to pieces by hounds - Bristol University confirmed
>>>>>>this happens to foxes by autopsies for the Burns Inquiry  - and even
>>>>>>dismisses the statement from the Blencathra Foxhounds who have adapted
>>>>>>to the change in the law as dishonest - suggesting that they might be
>>>>>>breaking the law behind the scenes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Re read what I said Angus.  You must be reading my posts - oh hang on 
>>>>>you said you don't.  A cynic might suggest that there was a lie in there 
>>>>>somewhere.  I however couldn't possibly comment.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A greedy little guy full of hate!
>>>>>
>>>>>How do you know how big I am?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kane's response to a posting of mine praising the Blencathra Hunt for
>>>>>>adapting to the Hunting Act  is shown below.
>>>>>>___________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>>>>>>>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>>>>>>>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>>>>>>>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>>>>>>>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>>>>>>>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>>>>>>>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>>>>>>>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>>>>>>>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>>>>>>>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>>>>>>>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>>>>>>>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>>>>>>>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>>>>>>>it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they
>>>>>>weren't  keeping to the law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How
>>>>>>Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.
>>>>>
>>>>>I notice that you don't address this point Angus.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What more could you want?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped
>>>>>>people  killing foxes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you?  Do you think that every farmer who has a fox problem isn't 
>>>>>taking pot shots at them rather than asking the hunt to call?  Do you 
>>>>>think they don't take a pot shot at any they see to be on the safe side?
>>>>>
>>>>>In the past they asked the hunt to pass through if they had a problem 
>>>>>The hunt didn't always catch anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It hasn't and many die a much more horrible
>>>>>>death from  gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or
>>>>>>escape.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I notice you can't counter this statement.
>>>>>
>>>>>For the casual reader.  Angus has been desperate to try to stop me 
>>>>>posting for a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>>He began by not answering my posts.  Fair enough he doesn't have to.  He 
>>>>>has claimed he doesn't read my posts but here is obvious evidence that 
>>>>>he does.  He has sent me letters threatening legal action because I had 
>>>>>the temerity to suggest things about his attitude and its effect on wild 
>>>>>life. (Note for Angus unlike you I do keep my word).
>>>>>
>>>>>He starts threads based on personal abuse.  Look for a few which mention 
>>>>>mad Penrith jewellers.  More than once he has tried this tack of posting 
>>>>>personal details.
>>>>>
>>>>>Angus it won't work.  I will post on a public forum my own views which 
>>>>>as I have