I have been thinking aboutthe impact that we all make on the earth and
what actions we shouldtake not only indivdually but also collectively.
It seemsto me with the population rising and  the demand for resouces
rising faster still we should look at the way we live and what we
consume. 

 I see a number of issues First  is population now a taboo subject but
the global population has exceeded 6billion and is set continue to
double that . so action needs to be taken to stem the growth.AFAIK one
of the beth methods of ensuring long term populationcontrol is
development.Particularly female education , free or cheap contaception
and old age  pensions.These give women women the control they need
over theirown bodies and security in old age .
 
The second is the amount we consume 1 planet more people more dmands
less to go round. So we need to fly less , travelless walk or ride for
short jurneys. and so on I wont repeat the litany I'm  sure you've all
heard it before . But what can we encouage our govenments to do? 

I thought about tidal power and pumped storage  a viable option for
elctricity genreation in UK ,  does anyone in th NG know abuot hot
rocks  technology  butthatseems a viable option . 
 Has high evifiency PV been developed yet why not Y

perhaps a food miles tax or a basic mileage ta so that the further
things have been the more they cost. Real grants for inuslation and
energy effiency and a tax regeime that encourages efficiency.

Well just a few thooghts to get some real discussion in the new year
and to get us to ecercise our brains and typing fingers (2 in my Case
;-} )

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:28:49 +0000, richard seed 
wrote:

>I have been thinking aboutthe impact that we all make on the earth and
>what actions we shouldtake not only indivdually but also collectively.
>It seemsto me with the population rising and  the demand for resouces
>rising faster still we should look at the way we live and what we
>consume. 

Indeed we should. In fact this should be paramount for each and every
one of us.

> I see a number of issues First  is population now a taboo subject but
>the global population has exceeded 6billion and is set continue to
>double that . so action needs to be taken to stem the growth.AFAIK one
>of the beth methods of ensuring long term populationcontrol is
>development.Particularly female education , free or cheap contaception
>and old age  pensions.These give women women the control they need
>over theirown bodies and security in old age .

I think compulsion is the answer. Call me cynical but I feel
population control is beyond the thoughts of society in general. Yes
the odd few care about the impact population is having on the planet,
but that's not enough.
 
>The second is the amount we consume 1 planet more people more dmands
>less to go round. So we need to fly less , travelless walk or ride for
>short jurneys. and so on I wont repeat the litany I'm  sure you've all
>heard it before . But what can we encouage our govenments to do? 

Eating less meat for a start. The harm to ourselves and the planet is
greatly increased by farmed animals.

Then we need to invest in proper state run public transport. Get rid
of the car, or at least make it prohibitively expensive to use in all
but the most necessary journeys.

>I thought about tidal power and pumped storage  a viable option for
>elctricity genreation in UK ,  does anyone in th NG know abuot hot
>rocks  technology  butthatseems a viable option . 
> Has high evifiency PV been developed yet why not Y
>
>perhaps a food miles tax or a basic mileage ta so that the further
>things have been the more they cost.

I agree. A country should be feeding itself before importing from
around the world. The main goal should be self sufficiency and we
should get away from the idea of a global community where we can buy
an apple from Kent, or from New Zealand from our local supermarket.

Immigration is a huge problem and a great drain on our resources.

> Real grants for inuslation and
>energy effiency and a tax regeime that encourages efficiency.

Agreed.

>Well just a few thooghts to get some real discussion in the new year
>and to get us to ecercise our brains and typing fingers (2 in my Case

The main thing we can do is to get rid of politicians who don't live
in the real world, the inner city, the ghetto areas.

We see crime and disorder is rife. Our kids being murdered for fun.
Binge drinking. A hopeless society. People being given handouts not to
work (farmers) people being given handouts who don't want to work, and
fat cat capitalism everywhere.

Time for a revolution my friends.









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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

----- Original Message -----
From: [InfoNature.Org] - E-News
To: _ Protect Nature, Animals and People _
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:20 PM
Subject: [InfoNature.Org - INT]: Eating MEAT and using
BIOFUELS becomes an international disaster.

EATING *MEAT* , USING *BIOFUELS* AND *CLIMATE
CHANGE* BECOMES AN INTERNATIONAL *DISASTER*
ON ALL LEVELS

DUE TO PRODUCING MEATS AND BIOFUELS, THE
FOOD PRICES ARE RISING, FOOD STOCKS ARE
LOWER, HUNGER PROBLEMS ARE INCREASING AND
THE PLANET IS BEING DESTROYED

LEARN WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP STOP THIS:
http://www.eco-gaia.net/forum-pt/index.php/topic,203.0.html
Make a positive change: Go vegetarian, use public transports
and bicycles

World food stocks dwindling rapidly, UN warns:
ROME - (Reuters): In an "unforeseen and unprecedented" shift,
the world food supply is dwindling rapidly and food prices are
soaring to historic levels, the top food and agriculture official of
the United Nations warned Monday. *The changes created "a
very serious risk that fewer people will be able to get food,"
particularly in the developing world*, said Jacques Diouf, head
of the UN Food and Agriculture Organization. *The agency's
food price index rose by more than 40 percent this year,
compared with 9 percent the year before - a rate that was already
unacceptable*, he said. New figures show that the total cost of
foodstuffs imported by the neediest countries rose 25 percent,
to $107 million, in the last year.

*At the same time, reserves of cereals are severely depleted*, FAO
records show. World wheat stores declined 11 percent this year, to
the lowest level since 1980. That corresponds to 12 weeks of the
world's total consumption - much less than the average of 18 weeks
consumption in storage during the period 2000-2005. There are
only 8 weeks of corn left, down from 11 weeks in the earlier period.
*Prices of wheat and oilseeds are at record highs*, Diouf said
Monday. Wheat prices have risen by $130 per ton, or 52 percent,
since a year ago. U.S. wheat futures broke $10 a bushel for the
first time Monday, the agricultural equivalent of $100 a barrel oil.
(Page 16)

*Diouf blamed a confluence of recent supply and demand factors
for the crisis, and he predicted that those factors were here to stay.
On the supply side, these include the early effects of global warming,
which has decreased crop yields in some crucial places, and a shift
away from farming for human consumption toward crops for
biofuels and cattle feed.* Demand for grain is increasing with the
world population, and more is *diverted to feed cattle as the
population of upwardly mobile meat-eaters grows. "We're concerned
that we are facing the perfect storm for the world's hungry,"* said
Josette Sheeran, executive director of the World Food Program, in
a telephone interview. She said that her agency's food procurement
costs had gone up 50 percent in the past 5 years and that some poor
people are being "priced out of the food market."

To make matters worse, high oil prices have doubled shipping costs
in the past year, putting *enormous stress on poor nations that need
to import food as well as the humanitarian agencies that provide it.*
"You can debate why this is all happening, but what's most important
to us is that it's a long-term trend, reversing decades of decreasing
food prices," Sheeran said. *Climate specialists say that the
vulnerability will only increase as further effects of climate change
are felt*. "If there's a significant change in climate in one of our high
production areas, if there is a disease that effects a major crop, we
are in a very risky situation," said Mark Howden of the
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization in
Canberra.

*Already "unusual weather events," linked to climate change - such
as droughts, floods and storms - have decreased production in
important exporting countries* like Australia and Ukraine, Diouf said.
In Southern Australia, a significant reduction in rainfall in the past
few years led some farmers to sell their land and move to Tasmania,
where water is more reliable, said Howden, one of the authors of a
recent series of papers in the Procedings of the National Academy
of Sciences on climate change and the world food supply.

"In the U.S., Australia, and Europe, there's a very substantial
capacity to adapt to the effects on food - with money, technology,
research and development," Howden said. "In the developing
world, there isn't." Sheeran said, that *on a recent trip to Mali,
she was told that food stocks were at an all time low. The World
Food Program feeds millions of children in schools and people
with HIV/AIDS. Poor nutrition in these groups increased the risk
serious disease and death.*

Diouf suggested that all countries and international agencies would
have to "revisit" agricultural and aid policies they had adopted "in
a different economic environment." For example, with food and
oil prices approaching record, it may not make sense to send food
aid to poorer countries, but instead to *focus on helping farmers
grow food locally*. FAO plans to start a new initiative that will
offer farmers in poor countries vouchers that can be redeemed
for seeds and fertilizer, and will try to help them adapt to climate
change. The recent scientific papers concluded that farmers could
adjust to 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) to 3 degrees
Celsius (5.4 degrees) of warming by switching to more resilient
species, changing planting times, or storing water for irrigation,
for example.

But that after that, "all bets are off," said Francesco Tubiello, of
Columbia University Earth Institute. "Many people assume that
we will never have a problem with food production on a global
scale, but there is a strong potential for negative surprises." In
Europe, officials said they were already adjusting policies to the
reality of higher prices. The European Union recently suspended
a "set-aside" of land for next year - a longstanding program that
essentially paid farmers to leave 10 percent of their land untilled
as a way to increase farm prices and reduce surpluses. Also,
*starting in January, import tariffs on all cereal will be eliminated
for six months, to make it easier for European countries to buy
grain from elsewhere. But that may make it even harder for poor
countries to obtain the grain they need*.

*In an effort to promote free markets, the European Union has
been in the process of reducing farm subsidies and this has
accelerated the process.* "It's much easier to do with the new
economics," said Michael Mann a spokesman for the EU
agriculture commission. "We saw this coming to a certain extent,
but we are surprised at how quickly it is happening." But he
noted that farm prices the last few decades have been lower than
at any time in history, so the change seems extremely dramatic.
Diouf noted that there had been "tension and political unrest
related to food markets" in a number of poor countries this
year, including Morocco, Senegal and Mauritania. *"We need
to play a catalytic role to quickly boost crop production in the
most affected countries,"* he said.

*Part of the current problem is an outgrowth of prosperity. More
people in the world now eat meat, diverting grain from humans to
livestock. A more complicated issue is the use of crops to make
biofuels, which are often heavily subsidized. A major factor in
rising corn prices globally is that many farmers in the United
States are now selling their corn to make subsidized ethanol.
Mann said the European Union had intentionally set low targets
for biofuel use - 10 per cent by 2020 - to limit food price rises
and that it plans to import some biofuel. "We don't want all our
farmers switching from food to biofuel,"* he said.

Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/17/europe/food.php

* * *

Food and Fuel compete for land:

Shopping at a Whole Foods Market in suburban Chicago, Meredith
Estes said food prices have jumped so much she has resorted to
coupons. Charles Rodgers Jr., an Arkansas cattle rancher, said
normal feed rations so expensive and scarce he is scrambling for
alternatives. In Oregon, Jack Joyce, the owner of Rogue Ales, said
the cost of barley malt has soared 88 percent this year.

For years, cheap food and feed were taken for granted in the
United States. But now the price of some foods is rising sharply,
and from the corridors of Washington to the aisles of neighborhood
supermarkets, a blame alert is under way. Among the favorite targets
is ethanol, especially for food manufacturers and livestock farmers
who seethe at government mandates for ethanol production. The
ethanol boom, they contend, is raising corn prices, driving up the
cost of producing dairy products and meat, and causing farmers
to plant so much corn as to crowd out other crops. The results are
working their way through the marketplace, in this view, with overall
consumer grocery costs up roughly 5 percent in a year and feed
costs up more than 20 percent.

Now, with Congress poised to adopt a new mandate that would
double the volume of ethanol made from corn, ethanol skeptics
say a fateful moment has arrived, with the nation about to commit
itself to decades of competition between food and fuel for the
use of agricultural land. "This is like a runaway freight train," said
Scott Faber, a lobbyist for the Grocery Manufacturers Association,
who complained that ethanol has the same "magical effect" on
politicians as the tooth fairy and Santa Claus have on children.
"It's great news for corn farmers, but terrible news for consumers."
But ethanol critics are not getting much traction with their argument.
Last week, the Senate voted 86 to 8 for a new energy bill containing
expanded ethanol mandates, and the House is expected to follow
suit this week.

Experts with no stake in the argument say ethanol has indeed
contributed to rising food costs, but that is only one among
several factors. Higher fuel costs are driving up the expense of
growing and transporting food. And strong economic growth
abroad is increasing demand for agricultural commodities,
allowing once-destitute people to augment their diets with meat
and dairy. It is also a tough time, politically, to make a case
against ethanol. With continuing turmoil in the Middle East,
sky-high gas prices and presidential candidates stumping in
Iowa, the heart of the Corn Belt, a new renewable fuel standard
has plenty of supporters on Capitol Hill.

"We did get whipped," said Jay Truitt, vice president of
government affairs for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association.
"We continue to be caught up in this fervor, almost spirituality,
about ethanol. You can't get anyone to consider that there is a
consequence to these actions." He added, "We think there will
be a day when people ask, 'Why in the world did we do this?'"
The bill in Congress would increase the mandate for renewable
fuels to a striking 36 billion gallons by 2022. That is far beyond a
requirement on the books now for 7.5 billion gallons of ethanol by
2012. Much of the newly required ethanol could be made from
agricultural wastes like corn stalks and straw, and its production
would not compete directly with food production. But the proposed
mandate, known as a renewable fuel standard, also calls for 15
billion gallons of ethanol made from grains, primarily corn. Ethanol
advocates say they believe yield increases will supply much of the
extra corn needed to meet the new mandate.

Mark Leonard, who raises cattle and corn in western Iowa and owns
a stake in several ethanol plants, said it was "absolutely essential"
that the government increase the mandate for ethanol, and he urged
Congress to push up the deadlines. "This is a national security
issue more than anything else," said Leonard, noting the nation's
dependence on imported oil. "We need to quit sending money to
people who want to blow us up." When the current standard was
passed as part of a 2005 energy bill, it set off a construction binge
of ethanol plants that continues, primarily in the Corn Belt but also
in places like California, Texas and upstate New York. As new
plants opened and the demand for ethanol increased, so did corn
prices.

Farmers have responded to the boom by planting more and more
corn. In fact, the amount of corn planted this year, 94 million acres,
was the most since World War II, and it produced a record crop
of 13.2 billion bushels. But even with bumper crops, corn prices
are expected to climb next year. Joe Victor, vice president for
marketing for Allendale, an agricultural research firm in the Chicago
suburbs, said Midwestern farmers would face a pleasant quandary
in the spring in deciding what to plant because wheat and soybean
prices are at or near record highs and corn prices remain bullish.
"Oh geez, they've got money galore," he said. "The Senate vote
for the energy bill was a real confidence builder for the farmer to
think, 'They are not going to pull the rug out from underneath us.'"

The price increases for corn have had a broad impact, both
because farmers are planting more corn and less of other crops
and because livestock producers are scrambling for feed
substitutes. For instance, soybeans acreage planted this year
was about 16 percent less than in 2006. Feed costs have
increased 25 to 30 percent in the last year, according to David
Fairfield, director of feed services at the National Grain and
Feed Association. He attributed virtually all of the increase to the
demands of the ethanol industry. One consequence of the higher
feed costs is rising competition for malt barley between livestock
farmers, who want it for feed, and brewers, who need it for beer.
Joyce, the Rogue Ales owner in Newport, Oregon, said he has
been forced to raise prices to pay for the additional costs of
ingredients.

Rodgers, the Rison, Arkansas, rancher, said he used to feed his
cattle a mixture of corn gluten and soybean hulls. But he said he
cannot get corn gluten anymore, and the cost of soybean hulls
has risen to $150 a ton from about $105 a ton. "I'm all for us
being energy independent," he said, but added, "it's got to be
market driven." The impact of ethanol on prices at the grocery
store is less certain. Grocery prices that are measured by the
Consumer Price Index increased 5.4 percent in the last year,
with dairy prices up 14 percent; meats, poultry, fish and eggs,
5.4 percent; cereal and baked products, 5.2 percent; and fruits
and vegetables, 4.5 percent. Those increases outpaced overall
inflation of 4.3 percent. Government economists predict grocery
prices will jump another 3 to 4 percent in 2008.

In a study completed in May, researchers at Iowa State University
concluded that retail food prices had already increased by $47 per
person in the previous year or so as a result of higher corn prices.
If corn prices near $4.50 a bushel next year, as many people expect,
the research suggests that retail food prices for meat will increase
about 7.5 percent and egg prices will go up 13.5 percent. But
researchers for the Renewable Fuels Association dispute that math
and contend that the link between corn prices and grocery prices
is weak. As the debate continues, one thing is certain: American
shoppers are increasingly frustrated over rising prices.

"It's the staples, the cheeses, the milks and produce," said Estes,
shopping at the Chicago-area Whole Foods. "It's going up, and
my grocery bill at the end, it's like, 'Are you kidding me?'"

Eric Ferkenhoff contributed reporting from Chicago.

Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/18/business/18food.php


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On 2008-01-06, pearl  expressed:
> DUE TO PRODUCING MEATS AND BIOFUELS, THE
> FOOD PRICES ARE RISING, FOOD STOCKS ARE
> LOWER, HUNGER PROBLEMS ARE INCREASING AND
> THE PLANET IS BEING DESTROYED

Due to the fact that incomes are increasing in "develloping" countries,
the food prices are rising. The food stocks are sold, and farmers start
earning money again.

It used to be that the farmers in the west, couldn't produce for the
prices the develloping countries could pay. This is changing, so the
number of buyers is increasing, and the number op producers is still
decreasing.
>
> LEARN WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP STOP THIS:
Why should I? 
> http://www.eco-gaia.net/forum-pt/index.php/topic,203.0.html
> Make a positive change: Go vegetarian, use public transports
> and bicycles

Vegetarians can't live on peat, meat-eaters can.

The biofuels, are already used in food production. (It was terrible,
that our cars, could pay more for is than the people in develloping
countries, this is no more)

Greetings,
	Frank

On Jan 6, 1:22 am, Adenoid Hynkel            .
 wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:28:49 퍍, richard seed 
> wrote:
>
> >I have been thinking aboutthe impact that we all make on the earth and
> >what actions we shouldtake not only indivdually but also collectively.
> >It seemsto me with the population rising and  the demand for resouces
> >rising faster still we should look at the way we live and what we
> >consume.
>
> Indeed we should. In fact this should be paramount for each and every
> one of us.

You lying hypocrite.  You do *nothing* to examine, rethink and reduce
your impact.  You are clueless.

In article <flrc7j$800$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
<URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [InfoNature.Org] - E-News

> EATING *MEAT* , USING *BIOFUELS* AND *CLIMATE

Lotus - you copied this from a publicly accessible source.  It's a pointless
wate of bandwidth.

Besides we have already discussed all this at length over the last four
years.

If this is part of your darkly hinted series of posts that took you away
from the chore of trying to understand simple scientific argument then it's
a safe bet that you don't understand this either.  

Cheerio,

-- 

>>   derek@farm-direct.co.uk
>>   http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 00:08:13 +0000, Derek Moody
 wrote:

>In article <flrc7j$800$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
><URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: [InfoNature.Org] - E-News
>
>> EATING *MEAT* , USING *BIOFUELS* AND *CLIMATE
>
>Lotus - you copied this from a publicly accessible source.  It's a pointless
>wate of bandwidth.

It's called spreading the word. Do a google search on *using biofuels*
or lets say *CONservation hooliganism* etc and you will see lots and
lots of information for Joe Public to peruse. Many people only search
Usenet not WWW, some search both. Either way the word gets out.

I'm surprised you are obviously unaware how the system works! Still,
keep up and we'll teach you all you need to know.

>Besides we have already discussed all this at length over the last four
>years.

Every day new people are coming along to look and learn. If you think
all this effort is for your benefit you are extremely naive.

If you feel you know it all, or are suffering information overload, go
and read a comic or something.









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pam the SPAMMERS send an email to enquires@urfreesim.co.uk



England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

"Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant080413b49BxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
> In article <flrc7j$800$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: [InfoNature.Org] - E-News
>
> > EATING *MEAT* , USING *BIOFUELS* AND *CLIMATE
>
> <irrelevant ad hominem from a vengeful, soundly-beaten fool>

'As stocks run out and harvests fail, the world faces its worst crisis
for 30 years

By Geoffrey Lean
Published: 03 September 2006

Food supplies are shrinking alarmingly around the globe, plunging the
world into its greatest crisis for more than 30 years. New figures show
that this year's harvest will fail to produce enough to feed everyone on
Earth, for the sixth time in the past seven years. Humanity has so far
managed by eating its way through stockpiles built up in better times -
but these have now fallen below the danger level.

Food prices have already started to rise as a result, and threaten to soar
out of reach of many of the 4.2 billion people who live in the world's
most vulnerable countries. And the new "green" drive to get cars to run
on biofuels threatens to make food even scarcer and more expensive.

The UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) and the US
Department of Agriculture (USDA), which produce the world's two
main forecasts of the global crop production, both estimate that this
year's grain harvest will fall for the second successive year.
...
Brown expects the food crisis to get much worse as more and more
land becomes exhausted, soil erodes, water becomes scarcer, and
global warming cuts harvests.
..'
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article1325467.ece

As it is..

'October 2006
..
More than 852 million people -- about 13 percent of the world
population -- do not have enough food each day to sustain a
healthy life, according to the Rome-based Food and Agriculture
Organisation (FAO).

Of this, about 815 million people live in developing countries,
28 million in "transition" countries of the former Eastern Europe
and ex-Soviet republics, and about nine million in the industrialised
world.

 "It is a shame on humanity that in a world that is richer than ever
before, six million children due of malnutrition and related illnesses
before they reach the age of five," Ziegler said.

The study, which goes before the current 61st session of the
General Assembly, points out that the majority of the hungry
live in Asia and Africa, while about 80 percent live in rural areas
and depend on agriculture and pastoralism to survive.

"They are hungry because they do not have enough work, or
access to productive resources like land and water sufficient to
feed their families," it says.
...'
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=35166

'Some of this land has been acquired through expropriation. This is
as true in the third world today as it was centuries ago in the over-
industrialized nations. Large numbers of poor people have been
imprisoned, made homeless, killed, or have starved as a result of
big landowners expropriating land for pasture. The same sort of
expropriation has occurred, although not on the same scale, to
provide grains for livestock Animals in the over-industrialized world.
..
The over-industrialized world cannot grow enough feed for its livestock
and have to import huge quantities of fodder from third world countries,
"Because of the large amounts of grain required to produce beef, the
geographic location of cattle herds can be misleading. Most industrial
countries do not have sufficient agricultural land to support their meat
consumption. Beef production is particularly land-intensive, because
one calorie of meat production requires 3 calories of grain inputs for
pork and 10 calories for beef. Land requirements can be up to 50 times
higher than for protein production from grain. As a result, a great deal
of the feed consumed in industrialized countries is not produced on
the home farm, but purchased from developing countries. For example,
Western Europe imports more than 40%, or 21 million tons per year, of
its feed grains from the Third World.";"Feeding the meat-eating (world)
class takes nearly 40% of the world's grain, grown on close to one-fifth
[total feed now one-third] of the world's cropland."; "There has been a
fundamental shift in world agriculture this century from food grains to
feed grains, and cattle now compete with people for food. A third of
the world's fish catch and more than a third of the world's total grain
output is fed to livestock."61 Huge numbers of third world peoples are
starving because the crops grown in their country are exported to fatten
Animals in the over-industrialized nations, "More people are hungry now
than ever before. Many states where hunger is prevalent are net exporters
of food." Even during times of famine, grains continue to be exported
from third world countries to the over-industrialized world, "In addition,
about two-thirds of the total domestic grain crop goes to feed-lots.
...'
http://www.geocities.com/carbonomics/MCsppub/11sp12/11sp12b.html


'Livestock a major threat to environment
..
... a steep environmental price, according to the FAO report,
Livestock's Long Shadow -Environmental Issues and Options.
"The environmental costs per unit of livestock production must
be cut by one half, just to avoid the level of damage worsening
beyond its present level," it warns.

When emissions from land use and land use change are included,
the livestock sector accounts for 9 percent of CO2 deriving from
human-related activities, but produces a much larger share of even
more harmful greenhouse gases. It generates 65 percent of human-
related nitrous oxide, which has 296 times the Global Warming
Potential (GWP) of CO2.  Most of this comes from manure.

And it accounts for respectively 37 percent of all human-induced
methane (23 times as warming as CO2), which is largely produced
by the digestive system of ruminants, and 64 percent of ammonia,
which contributes significantly to acid rain.

Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly
permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable
land used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests
are cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation,
especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of
former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing.

Land and water

At the same time herds cause wide-scale land degradation, with about
20 percent of pastures considered as degraded through overgrazing,
compaction and erosion. This figure is even higher in the drylands
where inappropriate policies and inadequate livestock management
contribute to advancing desertification.

The livestock business is among the most damaging sectors to the
earth's increasingly scarce water resources, contributing among other
things to water pollution, euthropication and the degeneration of coral
reefs. The major polluting agents are animal wastes, antibiotics and
hormones, chemicals from tanneries, fertilizers and the pesticides used
to spray feed crops. Widespread overgrazing disturbs water cycles,
reducing replenishment of above and below ground water resources.
Significant amounts of water are withdrawn for the production of feed.

Livestock are estimated to be the main inland source of phosphorous
and nitrogen contamination of the South China Sea, contributing to
biodiversity loss in marine ecosystems.

Meat and dairy animals now account for about 20 percent of all
terrestrial animal biomass. Livestock's presence in vast tracts of land
and its demand for feed crops also contribute to biodiversity loss;
15 out of 24 important ecosystem services are assessed as in decline,
with livestock identified as a culprit.
...'
http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:54:55 -0000, "pearl" 
wrote:

>"Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant080413b49BxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
>> In article <flrc7j$800$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
>> <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: [InfoNature.Org] - E-News
>>
>> > EATING *MEAT* , USING *BIOFUELS* AND *CLIMATE
>>
>> <irrelevant ad hominem from a vengeful, soundly-beaten fool>
>
>'As stocks run out and harvests fail, the world faces its worst crisis
>for 30 years
>
>By Geoffrey Lean
>Published: 03 September 2006
>
>Food supplies are shrinking alarmingly around the globe, plunging the
>world into its greatest crisis for more than 30 years. New figures show
>that this year's harvest will fail to produce enough to feed everyone on
>Earth, for the sixth time in the past seven years. Humanity has so far
>managed by eating its way through stockpiles built up in better times -
>but these have now fallen below the danger level.
>
>Food prices have already started to rise as a result, and threaten to soar
>out of reach of many of the 4.2 billion people who live in the world's
>most vulnerable countries. And the new "green" drive to get cars to run
>on biofuels threatens to make food even scarcer and more expensive.
>
>The UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) and the US
>Department of Agriculture (USDA), which produce the world's two
>main forecasts of the global crop production, both estimate that this
>year's grain harvest will fall for the second successive year.
>...
>Brown expects the food crisis to get much worse as more and more
>land becomes exhausted, soil erodes, water becomes scarcer, and
>global warming cuts harvests.
>..'
>http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article1325467.ece
>
>As it is..
>
>'October 2006
>..
>More than 852 million people -- about 13 percent of the world
>population -- do not have enough food each day to sustain a
>healthy life, according to the Rome-based Food and Agriculture
>Organisation (FAO).
>
>Of this, about 815 million people live in developing countries,
>28 million in "transition" countries of the former Eastern Europe
>and ex-Soviet republics, and about nine million in the industrialised
>world.
>
> "It is a shame on humanity that in a world that is richer than ever
>before, six million children due of malnutrition and related illnesses
>before they reach the age of five," Ziegler said.
>
>The study, which goes before the current 61st session of the
>General Assembly, points out that the majority of the hungry
>live in Asia and Africa, while about 80 percent live in rural areas
>and depend on agriculture and pastoralism to survive.
>
>"They are hungry because they do not have enough work, or
>access to productive resources like land and water sufficient to
>feed their families," it says.
>...'
>http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=35166
>
>'Some of this land has been acquired through expropriation. This is
>as true in the third world today as it was centuries ago in the over-
>industrialized nations. Large numbers of poor people have been
>imprisoned, made homeless, killed, or have starved as a result of
>big landowners expropriating land for pasture. The same sort of
>expropriation has occurred, although not on the same scale, to
>provide grains for livestock Animals in the over-industrialized world.
>..
>The over-industrialized world cannot grow enough feed for its livestock
>and have to import huge quantities of fodder from third world countries,
>"Because of the large amounts of grain required to produce beef, the
>geographic location of cattle herds can be misleading. Most industrial
>countries do not have sufficient agricultural land to support their meat
>consumption. Beef production is particularly land-intensive, because
>one calorie of meat production requires 3 calories of grain inputs for
>pork and 10 calories for beef. Land requirements can be up to 50 times
>higher than for protein production from grain. As a result, a great deal
>of the feed consumed in industrialized countries is not produced on
>the home farm, but purchased from developing countries. For example,
>Western Europe imports more than 40%, or 21 million tons per year, of
>its feed grains from the Third World.";"Feeding the meat-eating (world)
>class takes nearly 40% of the world's grain, grown on close to one-fifth
>[total feed now one-third] of the world's cropland."; "There has been a
>fundamental shift in world agriculture this century from food grains to
>feed grains, and cattle now compete with people for food. A third of
>the world's fish catch and more than a third of the world's total grain
>output is fed to livestock."61 Huge numbers of third world peoples are
>starving because the crops grown in their country are exported to fatten
>Animals in the over-industrialized nations, "More people are hungry now
>than ever before. Many states where hunger is prevalent are net exporters
>of food." Even during times of famine, grains continue to be exported
>from third world countries to the over-industrialized world, "In addition,
>about two-thirds of the total domestic grain crop goes to feed-lots.
>...'
>http://www.geocities.com/carbonomics/MCsppub/11sp12/11sp12b.html
>
>
>'Livestock a major threat to environment
>..
>... a steep environmental price, according to the FAO report,
>Livestock's Long Shadow -Environmental Issues and Options.
>"The environmental costs per unit of livestock production must
>be cut by one half, just to avoid the level of damage worsening
>beyond its present level," it warns.
>
>When emissions from land use and land use change are included,
>the livestock sector accounts for 9 percent of CO2 deriving from
>human-related activities, but produces a much larger share of even
>more harmful greenhouse gases. It generates 65 percent of human-
>related nitrous oxide, which has 296 times the Global Warming
>Potential (GWP) of CO2.  Most of this comes from manure.
>
>And it accounts for respectively 37 percent of all human-induced
>methane (23 times as warming as CO2), which is largely produced
>by the digestive system of ruminants, and 64 percent of ammonia,
>which contributes significantly to acid rain.
>
>Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly
>permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable
>land used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests
>are cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation,
>especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of
>former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing.
>
>Land and water
>
>At the same time herds cause wide-scale land degradation, with about
>20 percent of pastures considered as degraded through overgrazing,
>compaction and erosion. This figure is even higher in the drylands
>where inappropriate policies and inadequate livestock management
>contribute to advancing desertification.
>
>The livestock business is among the most damaging sectors to the
>earth's increasingly scarce water resources, contributing among other
>things to water pollution, euthropication and the degeneration of coral
>reefs. The major polluting agents are animal wastes, antibiotics and
>hormones, chemicals from tanneries, fertilizers and the pesticides used
>to spray feed crops. Widespread overgrazing disturbs water cycles,
>reducing replenishment of above and below ground water resources.
>Significant amounts of water are withdrawn for the production of feed.
>
>Livestock are estimated to be the main inland source of phosphorous
>and nitrogen contamination of the South China Sea, contributing to
>biodiversity loss in marine ecosystems.
>
>Meat and dairy animals now account for about 20 percent of all
>terrestrial animal biomass. Livestock's presence in vast tracts of land
>and its demand for feed crops also contribute to biodiversity loss;
>15 out of 24 important ecosystem services are assessed as in decline,
>with livestock identified as a culprit.
>...'
>http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html
>

How prophetic it turns out to be. The handout farmers like Webster
mocked it then and they still mock it. 

But then they obviously don't know much about farming.









--

My greatest speech to the peasants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7LWuP0T7Q

pam the SPAMMERS send an email to enquires@urfreesim.co.uk



England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

"Adenoid Hynkel ."  wrote in message news:3eq6o350ljbcb1qpaospuvdc65qdjvq6b3@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:54:55 -0000, "pearl" 
> wrote:
>
> >"Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant080413b49BxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
> >> In article <flrc7j$800$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> >> <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: [InfoNature.Org] - E-News
> >>
> >> > EATING *MEAT* , USING *BIOFUELS* AND *CLIMATE
> >>
> >> <irrelevant ad hominem from a vengeful, soundly-beaten fool>
> >
> >'As stocks run out and harvests fail, the world faces its worst crisis
> >for 30 years
> >
> >By Geoffrey Lean
> >Published: 03 September 2006
> >
> >Food supplies are shrinking alarmingly around the globe, plunging the
> >world into its greatest crisis for more than 30 years. New figures show
> >that this year's harvest will fail to produce enough to feed everyone on
> >Earth, for the sixth time in the past seven years. Humanity has so far
> >managed by eating its way through stockpiles built up in better times -
> >but these have now fallen below the danger level.
> >
> >Food prices have already started to rise as a result, and threaten to soar
> >out of reach of many of the 4.2 billion people who live in the world's
> >most vulnerable countries. And the new "green" drive to get cars to run
> >on biofuels threatens to make food even scarcer and more expensive.
> >
> >The UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) and the US
> >Department of Agriculture (USDA), which produce the world's two
> >main forecasts of the global crop production, both estimate that this
> >year's grain harvest will fall for the second successive year.
> >...
> >Brown expects the food crisis to get much worse as more and more
> >land becomes exhausted, soil erodes, water becomes scarcer, and
> >global warming cuts harvests.
> >..'
> >http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article1325467.ece
> >
> >As it is..
> >
> >'October 2006
> >..
> >More than 852 million people -- about 13 percent of the world
> >population -- do not have enough food each day to sustain a
> >healthy life, according to the Rome-based Food and Agriculture
> >Organisation (FAO).
> >
> >Of this, about 815 million people live in developing countries,
> >28 million in "transition" countries of the former Eastern Europe
> >and ex-Soviet republics, and about nine million in the industrialised
> >world.
> >
> > "It is a shame on humanity that in a world that is richer than ever
> >before, six million children due of malnutrition and related illnesses
> >before they reach the age of five," Ziegler said.
> >
> >The study, which goes before the current 61st session of the
> >General Assembly, points out that the majority of the hungry
> >live in Asia and Africa, while about 80 percent live in rural areas
> >and depend on agriculture and pastoralism to survive.
> >
> >"They are hungry because they do not have enough work, or
> >access to productive resources like land and water sufficient to
> >feed their families," it says.
> >...'
> >http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=35166
> >
> >'Some of this land has been acquired through expropriation. This is
> >as true in the third world today as it was centuries ago in the over-
> >industrialized nations. Large numbers of poor people have been
> >imprisoned, made homeless, killed, or have starved as a result of
> >big landowners expropriating land for pasture. The same sort of
> >expropriation has occurred, although not on the same scale, to
> >provide grains for livestock Animals in the over-industrialized world.
> >..
> >The over-industrialized world cannot grow enough feed for its livestock
> >and have to import huge quantities of fodder from third world countries,
> >"Because of the large amounts of grain required to produce beef, the
> >geographic location of cattle herds can be misleading. Most industrial
> >countries do not have sufficient agricultural land to support their meat
> >consumption. Beef production is particularly land-intensive, because
> >one calorie of meat production requires 3 calories of grain inputs for
> >pork and 10 calories for beef. Land requirements can be up to 50 times
> >higher than for protein production from grain. As a result, a great deal
> >of the feed consumed in industrialized countries is not produced on
> >the home farm, but purchased from developing countries. For example,
> >Western Europe imports more than 40%, or 21 million tons per year, of
> >its feed grains from the Third World.";"Feeding the meat-eating (world)
> >class takes nearly 40% of the world's grain, grown on close to one-fifth
> >[total feed now one-third] of the world's cropland."; "There has been a
> >fundamental shift in world agriculture this century from food grains to
> >feed grains, and cattle now compete with people for food. A third of
> >the world's fish catch and more than a third of the world's total grain
> >output is fed to livestock."61 Huge numbers of third world peoples are
> >starving because the crops grown in their country are exported to fatten
> >Animals in the over-industrialized nations, "More people are hungry now
> >than ever before. Many states where hunger is prevalent are net exporters
> >of food." Even during times of famine, grains continue to be exported
> >from third world countries to the over-industrialized world, "In addition,
> >about two-thirds of the total domestic grain crop goes to feed-lots.
> >...'
> >http://www.geocities.com/carbonomics/MCsppub/11sp12/11sp12b.html
> >
> >
> >'Livestock a major threat to environment
> >..
> >... a steep environmental price, according to the FAO report,
> >Livestock's Long Shadow -Environmental Issues and Options.
> >"The environmental costs per unit of livestock production must
> >be cut by one half, just to avoid the level of damage worsening
> >beyond its present level," it warns.
> >
> >When emissions from land use and land use change are included,
> >the livestock sector accounts for 9 percent of CO2 deriving from
> >human-related activities, but produces a much larger share of even
> >more harmful greenhouse gases. It generates 65 percent of human-
> >related nitrous oxide, which has 296 times the Global Warming
> >Potential (GWP) of CO2.  Most of this comes from manure.
> >
> >And it accounts for respectively 37 percent of all human-induced
> >methane (23 times as warming as CO2), which is largely produced
> >by the digestive system of ruminants, and 64 percent of ammonia,
> >which contributes significantly to acid rain.
> >
> >Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly
> >permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable
> >land used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests
> >are cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation,
> >especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of
> >former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing.
> >
> >Land and water
> >
> >At the same time herds cause wide-scale land degradation, with about
> >20 percent of pastures considered as degraded through overgrazing,
> >compaction and erosion. This figure is even higher in the drylands
> >where inappropriate policies and inadequate livestock management
> >contribute to advancing desertification.
> >
> >The livestock business is among the most damaging sectors to the
> >earth's increasingly scarce water resources, contributing among other
> >things to water pollution, euthropication and the degeneration of coral
> >reefs. The major polluting agents are animal wastes, antibiotics and
> >hormones, chemicals from tanneries, fertilizers and the pesticides used
> >to spray feed crops. Widespread overgrazing disturbs water cycles,
> >reducing replenishment of above and below ground water resources.
> >Significant amounts of water are withdrawn for the production of feed.
> >
> >Livestock are estimated to be the main inland source of phosphorous
> >and nitrogen contamination of the South China Sea, contributing to
> >biodiversity loss in marine ecosystems.
> >
> >Meat and dairy animals now account for about 20 percent of all
> >terrestrial animal biomass. Livestock's presence in vast tracts of land
> >and its demand for feed crops also contribute to biodiversity loss;
> >15 out of 24 important ecosystem services are assessed as in decline,
> >with livestock identified as a culprit.
> >...'
> >http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html
> >
>
> How prophetic it turns out to be. The handout farmers like Webster
> mocked it then and they still mock it.
>
> But then they obviously don't know much about farming.

Or lying about it.  From a not-entirely animal rights perspective..

'Why vegans were right all along

Famine can only be avoided if the rich give up meat, fish and dairy

George Monbiot
Tuesday December 24, 2002
The Guardian

The Christians stole the winter solstice from the pagans, and
capitalism stole it from the Christians. But one feature of the
celebrations has remained unchanged: the consumption of vast
quantities of meat. The practice used to make sense. Livestock
slaughtered in the autumn, before the grass ran out, would be
about to decay, and fat-starved people would have to survive a
further three months. Today we face the opposite problem: we
spend the next three months trying to work it off.

Our seasonal excesses would be perfectly sustainable, if we
weren't doing the same thing every other week of the year. But,
 because of the rich world's disproportionate purchasing power,
many of us can feast every day. And this would also be fine, if
we did not live in a finite world.

By comparison to most of the animals we eat, turkeys are
relatively efficient converters: they produce about three times
as much meat per pound of grain as feedlot cattle. But there are
still plenty of reasons to feel uncomfortable about eating them.
Most are reared in darkness, so tightly packed that they can
scarcely move. Their beaks are removed with a hot knife to
prevent them from hurting each other. As Christmas approaches,
they become so heavy that their hips buckle. When you see the
inside of a turkey broilerhouse, you begin to entertain grave
doubts about European civilisation.

This is one of the reasons why many people have returned to
eating red meat at Christmas. Beef cattle appear to be happier
animals. But the improvement in animal welfare is offset by the
loss in human welfare. The world produces enough food for
its people and its livestock, though (largely because they are so
poor [lacking land]) some 800 million are malnourished. But as
the population rises, structural global famine will be avoided only
if the rich start to eat less meat. The number of farm animals on
earth has risen fivefold since 1950: humans are now outnumbered
three to one. Livestock already consume half the world's grain,
and their numbers are still growing almost exponentially.

This is why biotechnology - whose promoters claim that it will
feed the world - has been deployed to produce not food but
feed: it allows farmers to switch from grains which keep
people alive to the production of more lucrative crops for
livestock. Within as little as 10 years, the world will be faced
with a choice: arable farming either continues to feed the world's
animals or it continues to feed the world's people. It cannot do
both.

The impending crisis will be accelerated by the depletion of
both phosphate fertiliser and the water used to grow crops.
Every kilogram of beef we consume, according to research
by the agronomists David Pimental and Robert Goodland,
requires around 100,000 [this figure includes precipitation]
litres of water. Aquifers are beginning the run dry all over
the world, largely because of abstraction by farmers.

Many of those who have begun to understand the finity of
global grain production have responded by becoming
vegetarians. But vegetarians who continue to consume milk
and eggs scarcely reduce their impact on the ecosystem.
The conversion efficiency of dairy and egg production is
generally better than meat rearing, but even if everyone who
now eats beef were to eat cheese instead, this would merely
delay the global famine. As both dairy cattle and poultry are
often fed with fishmeal (which means that no one can claim
to eat cheese but not fish), it might, in one respect, even
accelerate it. The shift would be accompanied too by a
massive deterioration in animal welfare: with the possible
exception of intensively reared broilers and pigs, battery
chickens and dairy cows are the farm animals which appear
to suffer most.

We could eat pheasants, many of which are dumped in
landfill after they've been shot, and whose price, at this time
of the year, falls to around £2 a bird, but most people would
feel uncomfortable about subsidising the bloodlust of brandy-
soaked hoorays. Eating pheasants, which are also fed on grain,
is sustainable only up to the point at which demand meets
supply. We can eat fish, but only if we are prepared to
contribute to the collapse of marine ecosystems and - as the
European fleet plunders the seas off West Africa - the
starvation of some of the hungriest people on earth. It's
impossible to avoid the conclusion that the only sustainable
and socially just option is for the inhabitants of the rich world
to become, like most of the earth's people, broadly vegan,
eating meat only on special occasions like Christmas.

As a meat-eater, I've long found it convenient to categorise
veganism as a response to animal suffering or a health fad.
But, faced with these figures, it now seems plain that it's the
only ethical response to what is arguably the world's most
urgent social justice issue. We stuff ourselves, and the poor
get stuffed.

www.monbiot.com

http://www.guardian.co.uk/famine/story/0,12128,865087,00.html

"pearl"  wrote in message
news:flvsqi$hvg$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> "Adenoid Hynkel ."  wrote in message
news:3eq6o350ljbcb1qpaospuvdc65qdjvq6b3@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:54:55 -0000, "pearl" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >"Derek Moody"  wrote in message
news:ant080413b49BxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
> > >> In article <flrc7j$800$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> > >> <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: [InfoNature.Org] - E-News
> > >>
> > >> > EATING *MEAT* , USING *BIOFUELS* AND *CLIMATE
> > >>
> > >> <irrelevant ad hominem from a vengeful, soundly-beaten fool>
> > >
> > >'As stocks run out and harvests fail, the world faces its worst crisis
> > >for 30 years
---------------------------
Snip
---------------------------
> > >> As a meat-eater, I've long found it convenient to categorise
> veganism as a response to animal suffering or a health fad.
> But, faced with these figures, it now seems plain that it's the
> only ethical response to what is arguably the world's most
> urgent social justice issue. We stuff ourselves, and the poor
> get stuffed.
>
> www.monbiot.com
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/famine/story/0,12128,865087,00.html

 --------------------------------------
 Nothing can be done when famine stalks the land.
I was in the Brylcreme (Air Force ) and for almost a year  I was "Roughing
it" in Calcutta.
The Japs stood at Kohima getting ready to "Take India".
Along the main street (Chowringee) which was difficult to walk along because
of the dead and dying skeleton-like women and children caused by the famine
lay side by side almost the length of the Maidan.  Sometimes It was said
that more than a thousand died in a day.
On on occasion I went with my oppos (pals), into the popular cafe (Firpo's)
and scoffed a beef steak more than a foot long and more than an inch in
thickness, surrounded by the appropriate vegetables..
When we finished scoffing I took a cake from the cake stand  and outside a
woman lay at deaths door.
I put the cake in her hand but she didn't have the strength to lift it to
her mouth so I lifted her arm and was immediately sent flying against the
wall by a man in a white dhoti (dress).   I drew my fist to drop him but
fortunately my pal stopped me.
With hindsight I realise I was an idiot. I had put my hand on a woman of a
certain religion.

It won't be long before my homeland suffers in the same way.
People from other Countries are coming here in their hungredsof thousands,
taking the minor jobs and sending most of their earnings back to their
homeland.  Thus their money is not being spent in this Country also our  own
youngsters cannot get work and hundreds of thousands will.be  having no
training or work ethic therefore they will never work for the rest of their
lifetime.
Doug Denny.
----------------------------