We're all going to hell in a handbasket!

Remember when the Nobel prize meant something and we could all
look up it with awe and respect?

Sadly, now it appears that the loony left wing fringe has taken
over the Nobel committee and awarded the peace prize to a proven
lying and exaggerating hypocrite who won't even practice what he
preaches!

At least he's in good company, with other recipients being that
murdering terrorist Yassar Arafat and that corrupt UN official
Kofi Anan!



Regards

Bonzo

[Climate change theory became the main focus of extremists after]
"world communism failed, the Wall came down and a lot of
peaceniks and political activists moved into the environmental
movement bringing their neo-Marxism with them and learnt to used
green language in a very clever way to cloak agendas that have
more to do with anti-capitalism and anti-globalisation than ...
ecology or science." Patrick Moore, Co-founder-Greenpeace

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:37:14 +1000, "Bonzo" 
wrote:

>We're all going to hell in a handbasket!
>
>Remember when the Nobel prize meant something and we could all
>look up it with awe and respect?
>

LOL when was that?

Back in 1973 they offered a Nobel peace prize to Le Duc Tho, North
Vietnamese representative at the Paris peace talks... after which
North Vietnam invaded the South and ignored the promise made to allow
South Vietnamese to choose their own future.  The resulting Vietnamese
"boat people" crisis and the internal ethnic and political cleansing
in the South by the Communist invaders was one of the worst human
tragedies seen in the latter half of the 20th century (although
exceeded in scale by the genocide perpetrated by Marxists under Pol
Pot in neighbouring Cambodia).

To this day, 30 years after the North's invasion brought "peace" to
the country, Vietnam remains a poverty-stricken dictatorship that
persecutes people for any sign of dissent  ... ie, it is just another
shining example of the destruction and terror Marxists inflict on the
human spirit EVERY TIME they have managed to grab power.

"ralph"  wrote in message
news:vic0h399jfm1ka4v4ogf33hjv4hk5dh6ch@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:37:14 +1000, "Bonzo"

> wrote:
>
> >We're all going to hell in a handbasket!
> >
> >Remember when the Nobel prize meant something and we could all
> >look up it with awe and respect?
> >
>
> LOL when was that?
>
> Back in 1973

No before that ...
-- 

Regards

Bonzo

In a 1996 report by the UN on global warming, two statements were
deleted from the final draft. Here they are:
1. "None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that
we can attribute  the observed climate changes to increases in
greenhouse gases."
2. "No study to date has positively attributed all or part of the
climate change to man-made causes"

"ralph"  wrote in message
news:vic0h399jfm1ka4v4ogf33hjv4hk5dh6ch@4ax.com...
> The resulting Vietnamese
> "boat people" crisis and the internal ethnic and political cleansing
> in the South by the Communist invaders was one of the worst human
> tragedies seen in the latter half of the 20th century (although
> exceeded in scale by the genocide perpetrated by Marxists under Pol
> Pot in neighbouring Cambodia).
>
> To this day, 30 years after the North's invasion brought "peace" to
> the country, Vietnam remains a poverty-stricken dictatorship that
> persecutes people for any sign of dissent  ... ie, it is just another
> shining example of the destruction and terror Marxists inflict on the
> human spirit EVERY TIME they have managed to grab power.


So there are people still seeing "Marxists" under every bed, when others see
military dictatorships and junta's.
About what you would expect from the Fascists I guess.

MrT.

Bonzo wrote:
> We're all going to hell in a handbasket!


At least you had a nice pink floral one already.

> Remember when the Nobel prize meant something and we could all
> look up it with awe and respect?

You have been watching Faux TV again, Haven't you!

They are railing against the Nobel committee because Gore
dares to be critical about Bush.

The thing I love about the neo-Cons conspiracy theories is that
if you add up all the groups which they claim have fallen
into the hands of lefties, then Fran's revolution is just around the
next corner!    B^D

Europe disagrees with American military imperialism, they are all
cheese eating surrender monkeys.. the UN,  The Hague, Amnesty 
international,  .. any Human rights group, domestic or international, 
which rightly condemns the invasion and destruction of Iraq, or
cluster bombing in Lebanon is declared persona no grata.

Trouble for Bush and the morons who follow him like Lemmings over
the cliff.. is that list now adds up to be most of the PLANET!

While the USSA has stupidly been making itself disliked, China
is slowly and patiently moving to centre stage.

It is a great pity, as i preferred American values, until they
started to abandon and pervert them.

> Sadly, now it appears that the loony left wing fringe has taken
> over the Nobel committee and awarded the peace prize 

Just document the changes to the Nobel Committee which would be
necessary to achieve this, or people will know you are simply
a bad sport, unable to accept that your views are losing ground
and you have resorted to being

 >  a proven lying and exaggerating hypocrite
> who won't even practice what he preaches!


> [Climate change theory became the main focus of extremists 

In Australia the effective Climate change debate has been led
by the Business community, which is why Howard has climbed on
board.

Howard a leftie neo-marxist, Gramscian peacenik?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAA

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAA


> after] "world communism failed, 
> the Wall came down and a lot of
> peaceniks and political activists moved into the environmental
> movement bringing their neo-Marxism with them and learnt to used
> green language in a very clever way to cloak agendas that have
> more to do with anti-capitalism and anti-globalisation than ...
> ecology or science." Patrick Moore, Co-founder-Greenpeace

So?

The effect of a few thousand green ferals across the world
protesting is just a bit of minor Drama on TV.

The impetus for climate change debate in Australia is
THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY!

If they have all become lefties then it's time for you to
start humming the Internationale!   B^D




---------

Prime Minister Rip Van Winkle;

"Well, I don't, I, I, I, I don't know. I, I mean, I, I "

      - John Howard asked about his plans.

     Sure John we will all just go get a coffee while
     you find your mind and then make it up!    B^D


http://www.geocities.com/wmds_r_us/climate_coma.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGqTayhu5QM

"After a successful few years as a junior minister in
Malcolm Fraser's government, Howard was promoted to
treasury, where his five years in the job can only
be judged as an unmitigated failure.
Take a look at the statistics.

When Howard left the treasury in March 1983, the
budget deficit was forecast at $9.6 billion, inflation
was 11 per cent, unemployment was 10.2 per cent,
the economy was in recession with negative
0.4 per cent growth, and housing interest rates
were 13 per cent.

And, despite the 1982-83 recession being the worst
since the Great Depression, Howard still managed to
increase the federal tax take from 25.1 per cent of
GDP in 1977 to 27.5 per cent of GDP by 1982-83.

Howard then spent 13 years in opposition, during
which - when he wasn't leader himself - he spent
a lot of time conspiring against the three leaders
he served under: Andrew Peacock, John Hewson and
Alexander Downer."

---------

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  by Labor, now under its sharpest leader in a decade.
  Facing defeat, the Prime Minister yesterday changed
  not only his team but its tone." -Andrew Bolt 24/1/2007

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"HangEveryRepubliKKKan"  wrote
>> 1998 14.57  *********************o*****
>> 1999 14.33  *****************>>>>o
>> 2000 14.33  *****************>>>>>o
>> 2001 14.48  ************************o
>> 2002 14.56  *************************o**
>> 2003 14.55  **************************o*
>> 2004 14.49  *************************>>o
>> 2005 14.63  *****************************o**
>> 2006 14.54  ***************************>>>o
>>
>>   Look at all those "o"'s lined up there.

"Bonzo"  wrote
> The "0"'s are NOT THE DATA!
> They have created a trend which does not exist in the data.
> Voodoo statistics!

  Ahahahahahahahahaha... Stupid KKKonservative KKKlown. A trendline skirts
across the top of the data leaving equal portions of the data above and
below.  In this instane 10 dots above, and 14 below as a result of the crude
nature of ascii graphics.  Nevertheless it represents the best line that can
be fitted to the data based on minimizing the square of the distance between
the line and the real data.  It's called a least squares curve fit.

  You are completely ignorant when it comes to statistics and mathematics in
general aren't you Bonzo.

  Ahahahahahaha.. You don't know what statistics are, where it comes from,
how it is used, or how to use it, and yet in your vast ignorance, you seem
to think that you know more about science than all of the worlds scientists.

  "Voodoo statistics"  Ahahahahahahahah...  You need to go back to public
school and take a refresher course in basic technical literacy.

  Stupid... Stupid.. KKKonservative KKKlown....


"Bonzo"  wrote
> Here is the data which shows NO TREND!
>
> 1998 366.50 2.5721     14.57
> 1999 368.14 2.6148     14.33
> 2000 369.41 2.6399     14.33
> 2001 371.07 2.6672     14.48
> 2002 373.16 2.7032     14.56
> 2003 375.80 2.7487     14.55
> 2004 377.55 NA            14.49
> 2005 379.75 NA            14.63
> 2006 381.90 NA            14.54

  No?  Lets plot the data and find out shall we?  Here it is along with the
best linear fit to the data shown as "o".

1998 14.57  *********************o*****
1999 14.33  *****************>>>>o
2000 14.33  *****************>>>>>o
2001 14.48  ************************o
2002 14.56  *************************o**
2003 14.55  **************************o*
2004 14.49  *************************>>o
2005 14.63  *****************************o**
2006 14.54  ***************************>>>o

Look at all those "o"'s lined up there. The trend is up, Up, UP.

So Bonzo, who is paying you to post lies to this newsgroup?

AL WINS!
Media-shunning unsafe-for-children ecodunce Al Gore wins the
Nobel Peace Prize.

UPDATE. Al will lift the world:


  "We face a true planetary emergency," Mr. Gore said in the
statement. "The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a
moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our
greatest opportunity to lift global consciousness to a higher
level."

Good luck with that.

UPDATE II. Al isn't in Oslo, possibly to spare himself the
embarrassment of collecting a prize for raising global warming
awareness while wearing four layers of clothing.

UPDATE III. Al is scary: "He's like a werewolf standing in front
of the moon, only instead he's in front of the earth playing God
again. Or maybe Jack Nicholson. Geez his tie even matches the
earth. They are so going steady."
-- 

Regards

Bonzo

[The IPCC report released for policymakers February 2007] "was
written by 33 policymakers, not scientists. The scientific report
that will come out in May/June was written by 143 climatologists
and other scientists, reviewed by 27 scientists, and sent out to
about 1700 scientists for comment. That represents fewer than one
percent of the world's scientists, and they surely don't speak
for the entire scientific community. The truth is, there is no
'consensus.'" Don J. Easterbrook, Geologist, Western Washington
University
"I can get 9000 [scientists] who question it," Anon

AL WINS!
Media-shunning unsafe-for-children ecodunce Al Gore wins the
Nobel Peace Prize.

UPDATE. Al will lift the world:


  "We face a true planetary emergency," Mr. Gore said in the
statement. "The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a
moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our
greatest opportunity to lift global consciousness to a higher
level."

Good luck with that.

UPDATE II. Al isn't in Oslo, possibly to spare himself the
embarrassment of collecting a prize for raising global warming
awareness while wearing four layers of clothing.



Regards

Bonzo

[The IPCC report released for policymakers February 2007] "was
written by 33 policymakers, not scientists. The scientific report
that will come out in May/June was written by 143 climatologists
and other scientists, reviewed by 27 scientists, and sent out to
about 1700 scientists for comment. That represents fewer than one
percent of the world's scientists, and they surely don't speak
for the entire scientific community. The truth is, there is no
'consensus.'" Don J. Easterbrook, Geologist, Western Washington
University
"I can get 9000 [scientists] who question it," Anon

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:15:27 +1000, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

>
>"ralph"  wrote in message
>news:vic0h399jfm1ka4v4ogf33hjv4hk5dh6ch@4ax.com...
>> The resulting Vietnamese
>> "boat people" crisis and the internal ethnic and political cleansing
>> in the South by the Communist invaders was one of the worst human
>> tragedies seen in the latter half of the 20th century (although
>> exceeded in scale by the genocide perpetrated by Marxists under Pol
>> Pot in neighbouring Cambodia).
>>
>> To this day, 30 years after the North's invasion brought "peace" to
>> the country, Vietnam remains a poverty-stricken dictatorship that
>> persecutes people for any sign of dissent  ... ie, it is just another
>> shining example of the destruction and terror Marxists inflict on the
>> human spirit EVERY TIME they have managed to grab power.
>
>
>So there are people still seeing "Marxists" under every bed, when others see
>military dictatorships and junta's.
>About what you would expect from the Fascists I guess.
>

Good luck distinguishing Marxists from Fascists, since they inevitably
employ the exact same totalitarian style of government to hold on to
power.

Here in Australia of course most Marxists have by now rebranded
themselves as members of "The Greens" to fool voters.

This puts Gore and the IPCC in the same league as Yassar Arafat!
How appropriate!
AL WINS!
Media-shunning unsafe-for-children ecodunce Al Gore wins the
Nobel Peace Prize.

UPDATE. Al will lift the world:


  "We face a true planetary emergency," Mr. Gore said in the
statement. "The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a
moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our
greatest opportunity to lift global consciousness to a higher
level."

Good luck with that.

UPDATE II. Al isn't in Oslo, possibly to spare himself the
embarrassment of collecting a prize for raising global warming
awareness while wearing four layers of clothing.



Regards

Bonzo

[The IPCC report released for policymakers February 2007] "was
written by 33 policymakers, not scientists. The scientific report
that will come out in May/June was written by 143 climatologists
and other scientists, reviewed by 27 scientists, and sent out to
about 1700 scientists for comment. That represents fewer than one
percent of the world's scientists, and they surely don't speak
for the entire scientific community. The truth is, there is no
'consensus.'" Don J. Easterbrook, Geologist, Western Washington
University
"I can get 9000 [scientists] who question it," Anon

"ralph"  wrote
> To this day, 30 years after the North's invasion brought "peace" to
> the country, Vietnam remains a poverty-stricken dictatorship that
> persecutes people for any sign of dissent  ... ie, it is just another
> shining example of the destruction and terror Marxists inflict on the
> human spirit EVERY TIME they have managed to grab power.

  Ralph is just upset that the Vietnamese whipped his fucking ass in the 
1960's war against the AmeriKKKan Fascism.

"Bonzo"  wrote in message 
news:47103b80@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> AL WINS!
> Media-shunning unsafe-for-children ecodunce Al Gore wins the
> Nobel Peace Prize.
>
> UPDATE. Al will lift the world:
>
>
>  "We face a true planetary emergency," Mr. Gore said in the
> statement. "The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a
> moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our
> greatest opportunity to lift global consciousness to a higher
> level."

"HangEveryRepubliKKKan"  wrote
>> 1998 14.57  *********************o*****
>> 1999 14.33  *****************>>>>o
>> 2000 14.33  *****************>>>>>o
>> 2001 14.48  ************************o
>> 2002 14.56  *************************o**
>> 2003 14.55  **************************o*
>> 2004 14.49  *************************>>o
>> 2005 14.63  *****************************o**
>> 2006 14.54  ***************************>>>o
>>
>>   Look at all those "o"'s lined up there.

"Bonzo"  wrote
> The "0"'s are NOT THE DATA!
> They have created a trend which does not exist in the data.
> Voodoo statistics!

  Ahahahahahahahahaha... Stupid KKKonservative KKKlown. A trendline skirts
across the top of the data leaving equal portions of the data above and
below.  In this instane 10 dots above, and 14 below as a result of the crude
nature of ascii graphics.  Nevertheless it represents the best line that can
be fitted to the data based on minimizing the square of the distance between
the line and the real data.  It's called a least squares curve fit.

  You are completely ignorant when it comes to statistics and mathematics in
general aren't you Bonzo.

  Ahahahahahaha.. You don't know what statistics are, where it comes from,
how it is used, or how to use it, and yet in your vast ignorance, you seem
to think that you know more about science than all of the worlds scientists.

  "Voodoo statistics"  Ahahahahahahahah...  You need to go back to public
school and take a refresher course in basic technical literacy.

  Stupid... Stupid.. KKKonservative KKKlown....


"Bonzo"  wrote
> Here is the data which shows NO TREND!
>
> 1998 366.50 2.5721     14.57
> 1999 368.14 2.6148     14.33
> 2000 369.41 2.6399     14.33
> 2001 371.07 2.6672     14.48
> 2002 373.16 2.7032     14.56
> 2003 375.80 2.7487     14.55
> 2004 377.55 NA            14.49
> 2005 379.75 NA            14.63
> 2006 381.90 NA            14.54

  No?  Lets plot the data and find out shall we?  Here it is along with the
best linear fit to the data shown as "o".

1998 14.57  *********************o*****
1999 14.33  *****************>>>>o
2000 14.33  *****************>>>>>o
2001 14.48  ************************o
2002 14.56  *************************o**
2003 14.55  **************************o*
2004 14.49  *************************>>o
2005 14.63  *****************************o**
2006 14.54  ***************************>>>o

Look at all those "o"'s lined up there. The trend is up, Up, UP.

So Bonzo, who is paying you to post lies to this newsgroup?

"Bonzo"  wrote in message 
news:47103ba4$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> AL WINS!
> Media-shunning unsafe-for-children ecodunce Al Gore wins the
> Nobel Peace Prize.
>
> UPDATE. Al will lift the world:
>
>
>  "We face a true planetary emergency," Mr. Gore said in the
> statement. "The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a
> moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our
> greatest opportunity to lift global consciousness to a higher
> level."

"HangEveryRepubliKKKan"  wrote
>> 1998 14.57  *********************o*****
>> 1999 14.33  *****************>>>>o
>> 2000 14.33  *****************>>>>>o
>> 2001 14.48  ************************o
>> 2002 14.56  *************************o**
>> 2003 14.55  **************************o*
>> 2004 14.49  *************************>>o
>> 2005 14.63  *****************************o**
>> 2006 14.54  ***************************>>>o
>>
>>   Look at all those "o"'s lined up there.

"Bonzo"  wrote
> The "0"'s are NOT THE DATA!
> They have created a trend which does not exist in the data.
> Voodoo statistics!

  Ahahahahahahahahaha... Stupid KKKonservative KKKlown. A trendline skirts
across the top of the data leaving equal portions of the data above and
below.  In this instane 10 dots above, and 14 below as a result of the crude
nature of ascii graphics.  Nevertheless it represents the best line that can
be fitted to the data based on minimizing the square of the distance between
the line and the real data.  It's called a least squares curve fit.

  You are completely ignorant when it comes to statistics and mathematics in
general aren't you Bonzo.

  Ahahahahahaha.. You don't know what statistics are, where it comes from,
how it is used, or how to use it, and yet in your vast ignorance, you seem
to think that you know more about science than all of the worlds scientists.

  "Voodoo statistics"  Ahahahahahahahah...  You need to go back to public
school and take a refresher course in basic technical literacy.

  Stupid... Stupid.. KKKonservative KKKlown....


"Bonzo"  wrote
> Here is the data which shows NO TREND!
>
> 1998 366.50 2.5721     14.57
> 1999 368.14 2.6148     14.33
> 2000 369.41 2.6399     14.33
> 2001 371.07 2.6672     14.48
> 2002 373.16 2.7032     14.56
> 2003 375.80 2.7487     14.55
> 2004 377.55 NA            14.49
> 2005 379.75 NA            14.63
> 2006 381.90 NA            14.54

  No?  Lets plot the data and find out shall we?  Here it is along with the
best linear fit to the data shown as "o".

1998 14.57  *********************o*****
1999 14.33  *****************>>>>o
2000 14.33  *****************>>>>>o
2001 14.48  ************************o
2002 14.56  *************************o**
2003 14.55  **************************o*
2004 14.49  *************************>>o
2005 14.63  *****************************o**
2006 14.54  ***************************>>>o

Look at all those "o"'s lined up there. The trend is up, Up, UP.

So Bonzo, who is paying you to post lies to this newsgroup?

"Bonzo"  wrote in message 
news:47103cdc$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> This puts Gore and the IPCC in the same league as Yassar Arafat!
> How appropriate!
> AL WINS!
> Media-shunning unsafe-for-children ecodunce Al Gore wins the
> Nobel Peace Prize.
>
> UPDATE. Al will lift the world:
>
>
>  "We face a true planetary emergency," Mr. Gore said in the
> statement. "The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a
> moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our
> greatest opportunity to lift global consciousness to a higher
> level."

"HangEveryRepubliKKKan"  wrote
>> 1998 14.57  *********************o*****
>> 1999 14.33  *****************>>>>o
>> 2000 14.33  *****************>>>>>o
>> 2001 14.48  ************************o
>> 2002 14.56  *************************o**
>> 2003 14.55  **************************o*
>> 2004 14.49  *************************>>o
>> 2005 14.63  *****************************o**
>> 2006 14.54  ***************************>>>o
>>
>>   Look at all those "o"'s lined up there.

"Bonzo"  wrote
> The "0"'s are NOT THE DATA!
> They have created a trend which does not exist in the data.
> Voodoo statistics!

  Ahahahahahahahahaha... Stupid KKKonservative KKKlown. A trendline skirts
across the top of the data leaving equal portions of the data above and
below.  In this instane 10 dots above, and 14 below as a result of the crude
nature of ascii graphics.  Nevertheless it represents the best line that can
be fitted to the data based on minimizing the square of the distance between
the line and the real data.  It's called a least squares curve fit.

  You are completely ignorant when it comes to statistics and mathematics in
general aren't you Bonzo.

  Ahahahahahaha.. You don't know what statistics are, where it comes from,
how it is used, or how to use it, and yet in your vast ignorance, you seem
to think that you know more about science than all of the worlds scientists.

  "Voodoo statistics"  Ahahahahahahahah...  You need to go back to public
school and take a refresher course in basic technical literacy.

  Stupid... Stupid.. KKKonservative KKKlown....


"Bonzo"  wrote
> Here is the data which shows NO TREND!
>
> 1998 366.50 2.5721     14.57
> 1999 368.14 2.6148     14.33
> 2000 369.41 2.6399     14.33
> 2001 371.07 2.6672     14.48
> 2002 373.16 2.7032     14.56
> 2003 375.80 2.7487     14.55
> 2004 377.55 NA            14.49
> 2005 379.75 NA            14.63
> 2006 381.90 NA            14.54

  No?  Lets plot the data and find out shall we?  Here it is along with the
best linear fit to the data shown as "o".

1998 14.57  *********************o*****
1999 14.33  *****************>>>>o
2000 14.33  *****************>>>>>o
2001 14.48  ************************o
2002 14.56  *************************o**
2003 14.55  **************************o*
2004 14.49  *************************>>o
2005 14.63  *****************************o**
2006 14.54  ***************************>>>o

Look at all those "o"'s lined up there. The trend is up, Up, UP.

So Bonzo, who is paying you to post lies to this newsgroup?

"ralph"  wrote in message
news:kde0h31prim1fttok2fdsov842p4fhl0ll@4ax.com...
> Here in Australia of course most Marxists have by now rebranded
> themselves as members of "The Greens" to fool voters.

But the fascists did *much* better by calling themselves the Liberal Party.

MrT.

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:24:11 +1000, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

>
>"ralph"  wrote in message
>news:kde0h31prim1fttok2fdsov842p4fhl0ll@4ax.com...
>> Here in Australia of course most Marxists have by now rebranded
>> themselves as members of "The Greens" to fool voters.
>
>But the fascists did *much* better by calling themselves the Liberal Party.
>

And yet every 3 years they STILL give you a fair opportunity to vote
them out.   Not even close to fascist no matter how you want to spin
it.

"ralph"  wrote in message
news:92o0h39o3rp5d2vhaahbkk8pf6110ebpa2@4ax.com...
> >But the fascists did *much* better by calling themselves the Liberal
Party.
>
> And yet every 3 years they STILL give you a fair opportunity to vote
> them out.

But still the only party to stage a coup d'état in Australia.
(and after TWO fair opportunities to vote for them within 3 years too!)

MrT.

ralph wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:24:11 +1000, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:
> 
>> "ralph"  wrote in message
>> news:kde0h31prim1fttok2fdsov842p4fhl0ll@4ax.com...
>>> Here in Australia of course most Marxists have by now rebranded
>>> themselves as members of "The Greens" to fool voters.
 >>
>> But the fascists did *much* better by calling themselves the Liberal Party.

B^D

  Oh, the ruling elites don't like it when their class-War sloganeering 
is turned around to target those who are ACTUALLY
RUNNING THINGS!  B^D

The only two SELF-IDENTIFYING Nazis in Usenet, Mosley and Stan Pierce,
were rusted on Liberal supporters!  8^o

Ralph demonstrates how they try and character assassinate political
critics by BRANDING THEM as communists.. B^D

He even goes to the absurd lengths of accusing them of being
're branded' communists!   It's McCarthyism revived.. you don't have
to actually BE a communist for these slandering shitpigs to brand you 
one.. and then no argument is required, you are simply untermensch!

Oppose the war in Iraq, Ralph will brand you as a "Pro-Saddam Baathist
terrorist"!   B^)

Although he is sheepishly quiet about his numerous position
shifts now!  ;-)


> And yet every 3 years they STILL give you a fair opportunity to vote
> them out.   Not even close to fascist no matter how you want to spin
> it.

Fascists can be elected if their media manipulation is effective.

(eg having your propaganda funded by the taxpayer really helps ;-)

Hitler was elected, next you fellow travellers will be trying
to tell us all that HE wasn't a Fascist!   B^D

---------

Prime Minister Rip Van Winkle;

"Well, I don't, I, I, I, I don't know. I, I mean, I, I "

      - John Howard asked about his plans.

     Sure John we will all just go get a coffee while
     you find your mind and then make it up!    B^D


http://www.geocities.com/wmds_r_us/climate_coma.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGqTayhu5QM

"After a successful few years as a junior minister in
Malcolm Fraser's government, Howard was promoted to
treasury, where his five years in the job can only
be judged as an unmitigated failure.
Take a look at the statistics.

When Howard left the treasury in March 1983, the
budget deficit was forecast at $9.6 billion, inflation
was 11 per cent, unemployment was 10.2 per cent,
the economy was in recession with negative
0.4 per cent growth, and housing interest rates
were 13 per cent.

And, despite the 1982-83 recession being the worst
since the Great Depression, Howard still managed to
increase the federal tax take from 25.1 per cent of
GDP in 1977 to 27.5 per cent of GDP by 1982-83.

Howard then spent 13 years in opposition, during
which - when he wasn't leader himself - he spent
a lot of time conspiring against the three leaders
he served under: Andrew Peacock, John Hewson and
Alexander Downer."

---------

"THE polls show John Howard is likely to be beaten
  by Labor, now under its sharpest leader in a decade.
  Facing defeat, the Prime Minister yesterday changed
  not only his team but its tone." -Andrew Bolt 24/1/2007

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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:24:44 +1000, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

>
>"ralph"  wrote in message
>news:92o0h39o3rp5d2vhaahbkk8pf6110ebpa2@4ax.com...
>> >But the fascists did *much* better by calling themselves the Liberal
>Party.
>>
>> And yet every 3 years they STILL give you a fair opportunity to vote
>> them out.
>
>But still the only party to stage a coup d'état in Australia.

WTF? Referring to 1975?

LOL ... surely only in the recesses of your delusional mind does a
constitutional dismissal of government by the Governor-General,
followed swiftly by a democratic election constitute a "coup d'etat".

For a real laugh, remind us again who appointed John Kerr as G-G? :D

Mr T.    he   wrote:

>"ralph"  wrote in message
>news:vic0h399jfm1ka4v4ogf33hjv4hk5dh6ch@4ax.com...
>> The resulting Vietnamese
>> "boat people" crisis and the internal ethnic and political cleansing
>> in the South by the Communist invaders was one of the worst human
>> tragedies seen in the latter half of the 20th century (although
>> exceeded in scale by the genocide perpetrated by Marxists under Pol
>> Pot in neighbouring Cambodia).
>>
>> To this day, 30 years after the North's invasion brought "peace" to
>> the country, Vietnam remains a poverty-stricken dictatorship that
>> persecutes people for any sign of dissent  ... ie, it is just another
>> shining example of the destruction and terror Marxists inflict on the
>> human spirit EVERY TIME they have managed to grab power.
>
>So there are people still seeing "Marxists" under every bed, when others see
>military dictatorships and junta's.
>MrT.

          Nah, but in alt.global-warming, at least a dozen see Marx
as their guiding light.  :-)

On Oct 13, 4:33 am, Whata Fool  wrote:
> Mr T.    he   wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"ralph"  wrote in message
> >news:vic0h399jfm1ka4v4ogf33hjv4hk5dh6ch@4ax.com...
> >> The resulting Vietnamese
> >> "boat people" crisis and the internal ethnic and political cleansing
> >> in the South by the Communist invaders was one of the worst human
> >> tragedies seen in the latter half of the 20th century (although
> >> exceeded in scale by the genocide perpetrated by Marxists under Pol
> >> Pot in neighbouring Cambodia).
>
> >> To this day, 30 years after the North's invasion brought "peace" to
> >> the country, Vietnam remains a poverty-stricken dictatorship that
> >> persecutes people for any sign of dissent  ... ie, it is just another
> >> shining example of the destruction and terror Marxists inflict on the
> >> human spirit EVERY TIME they have managed to grab power.
>
> >So there are people still seeing "Marxists" under every bed, when others see
> >military dictatorships and junta's.
> >MrT.
>
>           Nah, but in alt.global-warming, at least a dozen see Marx
> as their guiding light.  :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

wow, gore won, and communism hasent prevailed yet, i quess your
crystal ball is broke....

badID  wrote:

>On Oct 13, 4:33 am, Whata Fool  wrote:
>>           Nah, but in alt.global-warming, at least a dozen see Marx
>> as their guiding light.  :-)- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
>wow, gore won, and communism hasent prevailed yet, i quess your
>crystal ball is broke....

               Little do you know, the people I was talking about
are self proclaimed socialists, they have and continue to
prevail, and Marx is their guiding light, apparently you 
haven't read the manifesto and the declaration that every
worker deserves an hour for lunch.

"ralph"  wrote in message 
news:kde0h31prim1fttok2fdsov842p4fhl0ll@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:15:27 +1000, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:
>
>>
>>"ralph"  wrote in message
>>About what you would expect from the Fascists I guess.
>>
>
> Good luck distinguishing Marxists from Fascists, since they inevitably
> employ the exact same totalitarian style of government to hold on to
> power.
>
> Here in Australia of course most Marxists have by now rebranded
> themselves as members of "The Greens" to fool voters.

I call them "Watermelons"...... green on the outside, red on the inside.


-- 
"Don't believe everything you think".

"HangEveryRepubliKKKan"  wrote in message 
news:hlXPi.7733$xa2.316@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "ralph"  wrote
>> To this day, 30 years after the North's invasion brought "peace" to
>> the country, Vietnam remains a poverty-stricken dictatorship that
>> persecutes people for any sign of dissent  ... ie, it is just another
>> shining example of the destruction and terror Marxists inflict on the
>> human spirit EVERY TIME they have managed to grab power.
>
>  Ralph is just upset that the Vietnamese whipped his fucking ass in the 
> 1960's war

LOL, I always laugh when you tossers say that.

The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every time 
they met the Allied Forces in battle.


-- 
"Don't believe everything you think".

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message 
news:471064c0$0$19339$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> "ralph"  wrote in message
> news:92o0h39o3rp5d2vhaahbkk8pf6110ebpa2@4ax.com...
>> >But the fascists did *much* better by calling themselves the Liberal
> Party.
>>
>> And yet every 3 years they STILL give you a fair opportunity to vote
>> them out.
>
> But still the only party to stage a coup d'état in Australia.

An interesting delusion.

So when, exactly, did the armed forces overrun Parliament House?


-- 
"Don't believe everything you think".




> (and after TWO fair opportunities to vote for them within 3 years too!)
>
> MrT.
>
>

"fasgnadh"  wrote in message 
news:471039b7$0$1031$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"global shift to the Left in progress".


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


-- 
"Don't believe everything you think".

"Praetorian"  wrote
> I call them "Watermelons"...... green on the outside, red on the inside.

When Preatorian's throat is slit, I bet he is red on the inside too.

"Praetorian"  wrote
> The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every time 
> they met the Allied Forces in battle.

  Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their tails 
between their legs.

   Ahahahahahhahhhaha...

Praetorian wrote:
> "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"  wrote in message 
> news:hlXPi.7733$xa2.316@read2.cgocable.net...
>>
>>  Ralph is just upset that the Vietnamese whipped his fucking ass in the 
>> 1960's war
> 
> LOL, I always laugh when you tossers say that.
> 


Sure, we all know about your obsession with 'fucking arses';


    # "Forced" my arse." -  Bash
    #
    #      Tough training!  8^o
    #
    # ""Recruits" my arse." -  Bash.
    #
    #       How much did they pay you for it?
    #
    #       Apparently the whole matter was looked into;
    #
    # "Master of defence studies my arse."
    #
    #      -From: "Brash" 
    #       Newsgroups: aus.politics
    #       Subject: Re: An oddity about Women in the front line.
    #       Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:26:07 +1000
    #   Message-ID:3b03c3f5$0$25504$7f31c...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>

What is it about these blokes and their arse fixation;

    # "sniff my arse, for some peculiar reason."
    #
    #      - From: "Brash" 
    #        Newsgroups: aus.aviation,aus.services.defence
    #        Subject: Re: Australian officials capture toothfish
    #                 ship crew
    #        Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:48:22 +1000
    #        Message-ID: <3f506478$0$4189$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au>
    #
    #  "'Precision strikes' my arse" - Bash
    #
    #       That military training really pays off, for those of
    #       you who enjoy it, the problem is, some don't;

I thought Bash's arse obsession was a bit weird but he
claims that cocksuckers, shirt-lifters and bum bandits
are rife in the ADF, ....and HE SHOULD KNOW!   B^D

# OP: "going on the experience of your RAAF types at sucking
#      cocks...... which is well documented."
#
# Brash: "We all know that it's you army types that indulge in that
#         ( and sticking your bits into other bloke's bums).
#        5/7RAR got quite the reputation for it in Timor."
#

I guess that explains why Prate-on-again and Cess want to
be alone, and when someone said "GET A ROOM", Dave Moss
went and provided one for them!    B^D




---------

Prime Minister Rip Van Winkle;

"Well, I don't, I, I, I, I don't know. I, I mean, I, I "

      - John Howard asked about his plans.

     Sure John we will all just go get a coffee while
     you find your mind and then make it up!    B^D


http://www.geocities.com/wmds_r_us/climate_coma.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGqTayhu5QM

"After a successful few years as a junior minister in
Malcolm Fraser's government, Howard was promoted to
treasury, where his five years in the job can only
be judged as an unmitigated failure.
Take a look at the statistics.

When Howard left the treasury in March 1983, the
budget deficit was forecast at $9.6 billion, inflation
was 11 per cent, unemployment was 10.2 per cent,
the economy was in recession with negative
0.4 per cent growth, and housing interest rates
were 13 per cent.

And, despite the 1982-83 recession being the worst
since the Great Depression, Howard still managed to
increase the federal tax take from 25.1 per cent of
GDP in 1977 to 27.5 per cent of GDP by 1982-83.

Howard then spent 13 years in opposition, during
which - when he wasn't leader himself - he spent
a lot of time conspiring against the three leaders
he served under: Andrew Peacock, John Hewson and
Alexander Downer."

---------

"THE polls show John Howard is likely to be beaten
  by Labor, now under its sharpest leader in a decade.
  Facing defeat, the Prime Minister yesterday changed
  not only his team but its tone." -Andrew Bolt 24/1/2007

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"ralph"  wrote in message
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>WTF? Referring to 1975?

Your man Johnny has been sponging off the taxpayers that long too.

> For a real laugh, remind us again who appointed John Kerr as G-G? :D

Well at least Gough Whitlam apologised for that.
But as I already mentioned, corruption is on both sides of politics. Nothing
new there.

MrT.

"Praetorian"  wrote in message
news:LgeQi.494$cR5.48@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> I call them "Watermelons"...... green on the outside, red on the inside.

What do you call the Liberals?
(besides cunts of course :-)

MrT.

"Praetorian"  wrote in message
news:xneQi.498$cR5.173@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > But still the only party to stage a coup d'état in Australia.
>
> An interesting delusion.
>
> So when, exactly, did the armed forces overrun Parliament House?

Who mentioned *military* coup?

But hey I'm all for 3 elections every three years, as long as it applies to
ALL parties!

MrT.

ralph  wrote:

> Here in Australia of course most Marxists have by now rebranded
> themselves as members of "The Greens" to fool voters.

It must be odd to live in a world where there is only black and white
(red and green?) and no shades of grey. No wonder you come up with
half-baked nonsense so often.

Rifty
-- 
riftynet - put a dot after rifty

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote
> What do you call the Liberals?
> (besides cunts of course :-)

I pity da foohhhh

On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
 wrote:
> "Praetorian"  wrote
>
> > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every time
> > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>
>   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their tails
> between their legs.
>
>    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...

Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to was
correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR war.

On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>
>  wrote:
> > "Praetorian"  wrote
>
> > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every time
> > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>
> >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their tails
> > between their legs.
>
> >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>
> Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to was
> correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR war.

Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.

Fran

"Fran"  wrote in message 
news:1192346460.668560.172290@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > "Praetorian"  wrote
>>
>> > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every 
>> > > time
>> > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>>
>> >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their tails
>> > between their legs.
>>
>> >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>>
>> Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to was
>> correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR war.
>
> Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
> embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.

No. It was South Vietnamese civilians fleeing those nice peaceful 
communists. The US army having left *two years* earlier.

On Oct 14, 5:31 pm, "Tex"  wrote:
> "Fran"  wrote in message
>
> news:1192346460.668560.172290@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>
> >>  wrote:
> >> > "Praetorian"  wrote
>
> >> > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every
> >> > > time
> >> > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>
> >> >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their tails
> >> > between their legs.
>
> >> >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>
> >> Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to was
> >> correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR war.
>
> > Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
> > embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.
>
> No. It was South Vietnamese civilians fleeing those nice peaceful
> communists. The US army having left *two years* earlier

Murderous collaborators leaving the mess they'd been part of after the
US had been defeated on the battlefield, despite bombing the crap out
of the civilian population and putting a bounty on bodies.

Your lame attempt at spin is noted.

Fran

"Fran"  wrote in message 
news:1192352449.082898.26570@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 14, 5:31 pm, "Tex"  wrote:
>> "Fran"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1192346460.668560.172290@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > "Praetorian"  wrote
>>
>> >> > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked 
>> >> > > every
>> >> > > time
>> >> > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>>
>> >> >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their 
>> >> > tails
>> >> > between their legs.
>>
>> >> >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>>
>> >> Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to was
>> >> correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR war.
>>
>> > Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
>> > embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.
>>
>> No. It was South Vietnamese civilians fleeing those nice peaceful
>> communists. The US army having left *two years* earlier
>
> Murderous collaborators

Charming. You have evidence the people who fled had murdered anybody?

> leaving the mess they'd been part of after the
> US had been defeated on the battlefield

Which battlefield?

>, despite bombing the crap out
> of the civilian population and putting a bounty on bodies.
>
> Your lame attempt at spin is noted.

It's called "fact" Fran. The Vietnamese couldn't best the Americans on the 
battlefield. Your slandering of refugees as "murderous collaborators" is 
noted.

On Oct 14, 7:09 pm, "Tex"  wrote:
> "Fran"  wrote in message
>
> news:1192352449.082898.26570@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 5:31 pm, "Tex"  wrote:
> >> "Fran"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:1192346460.668560.172290@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> > "Praetorian"  wrote
>
> >> >> > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked
> >> >> > > every
> >> >> > > time
> >> >> > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>
> >> >> >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their
> >> >> > tails
> >> >> > between their legs.
>
> >> >> >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>
> >> >> Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to was
> >> >> correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR war.
>
> >> > Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
> >> > embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.
>
> >> No. It was South Vietnamese civilians fleeing those nice peaceful
> >> communists. The US army having left *two years* earlier
>
> > Murderous collaborators
>
> Charming. You have evidence the people who fled had murdered anybody?
>
> > leaving the mess they'd been part of after the
> > US had been defeated on the battlefield
>
> Which battlefield?
>


It was called Vietnam.

> >, despite bombing the crap out
> > of the civilian population and putting a bounty on bodies.
>
> > Your lame attempt at spin is noted.
>
> It's called "fact" Fran.

No, it's called "disinformation".


> The Vietnamese couldn't best the Americans on the
> battlefield.

They did. They took what was thrown at them and survived. The US ran
away.

> Your slandering of refugees as "murderous collaborators" is
> noted

They were both refugees AND collaborators. That's why they feared
"persecution". Truth hurts eh?

Fran

"Fran"  wrote in message 
news:1192354127.929265.40240@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 14, 7:09 pm, "Tex"  wrote:
>> "Fran"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1192352449.082898.26570@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 14, 5:31 pm, "Tex"  wrote:
>> >> "Fran"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1192346460.668560.172290@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>>
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> > "Praetorian"  wrote
>>
>> >> >> > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked
>> >> >> > > every
>> >> >> > > time
>> >> >> > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>>
>> >> >> >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their
>> >> >> > tails
>> >> >> > between their legs.
>>
>> >> >> >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>>
>> >> >> Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to 
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR 
>> >> >> war.
>>
>> >> > Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
>> >> > embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.
>>
>> >> No. It was South Vietnamese civilians fleeing those nice peaceful
>> >> communists. The US army having left *two years* earlier
>>
>> > Murderous collaborators
>>
>> Charming. You have evidence the people who fled had murdered anybody?

I notice you skipped this one


>> > leaving the mess they'd been part of after the
>> > US had been defeated on the battlefield
>>
>> Which battlefield?
>>
>
>
> It was called Vietnam.

The US was never bested on the battlefield. Even the Vietnamese admitted 
this.

>> >, despite bombing the crap out
>> > of the civilian population and putting a bounty on bodies.
>>
>> > Your lame attempt at spin is noted.
>>
>> It's called "fact" Fran.
>
> No, it's called "disinformation".

The Vietnamese disagree with you

>> The Vietnamese couldn't best the Americans on the
>> battlefield.
>
> They did. They took what was thrown at them and survived. The US ran
> away.

They left because it was politically untenable at home for them to remain 
(that's the problem with being a democracy fighting a communist 
dictatorship). The didn't leave because the Vietnamese fought better than 
them.

>> Your slandering of refugees as "murderous collaborators" is
>> noted
>
> They were both refugees AND collaborators. That's why they feared
> "persecution". Truth hurts eh?

So Fran, back to the question you conveniently skipped: You have evidence 
the people who fled had murdered anybody?

Thought not.

On Oct 14, 3:21 am, Fran  wrote:
> On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>
> >  wrote:
> > > "Praetorian"  wrote
>
> > > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every time
> > > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>
> > >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their tails
> > > between their legs.
>
> > >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>
> > Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to was
> > correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR war.
>
> Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
> embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.
>
> Fran

So you're staking your claims about the general result of military
conflict in Vietnam on a sample of one?

"Fran"  wrote in message 
news:1192354127.929265.40240@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 14, 7:09 pm, "Tex"  wrote:
<snip>
>> It's called "fact" Fran.
>
> No, it's called "disinformation".

No Fran, it's fact :
http://www.vietnamgear.com/war1973.aspx

The North Vietnamese invaded in 1975 ,almost two years after a peace pact 
was signed in Paris, and the Allied forces had left.
Don't let the fact, that South Vietnam actually started to run down its 
military, after stupidly trusting the North to abide by what they had 
signed, get in the way of your take on History though.

"Sunny"  wrote in message 
news:yPwQi.727$cR5.49@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Fran"  wrote in message 
> news:1192354127.929265.40240@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 14, 7:09 pm, "Tex"  wrote:
> <snip>
>>> It's called "fact" Fran.
>>
>> No, it's called "disinformation".
>
> No Fran, it's fact :
> http://www.vietnamgear.com/war1973.aspx
>
> The North Vietnamese invaded in 1975 ,almost two years after a peace pact 
> was signed in Paris, and the Allied forces had left.
> Don't let the fact, that South Vietnam actually started to run down its 
> military, after stupidly trusting the North to abide by what they had 
> signed, get in the way of your take on History though.
>

You are correct.   The television news at the time made it look like the 
Americans were defeated by the North Vietnamese and they swept the Americans 
out.   All that was contained in the shots of the helicopters leaving the 
roof of the Embassy in disarray.    It was cunningly cut news-making.

"SPierce"  wrote
> You are correct.   The television news at the time made it look like the 
> Americans were defeated by the North Vietnamese and they swept the 
> Americans out.

 ya, it was all part of the global conspiracy to make AmeriKKKa look like 
the Nation of Losers that it is.

On Oct 15, 3:18 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
 wrote:
> "SPierce"  wrote
>
> > You are correct.   The television news at the time made it look like the
> > Americans were defeated by the North Vietnamese and they swept the
> > Americans out.
>
>  ya, it was all part of the global conspiracy to make AmeriKKKa look like
> the Nation of Losers that it is.

Don't hate them just because they are better than you.

On Oct 15, 7:40 am, kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 14, 3:21 am, Fran  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>
> > >  wrote:
> > > > "Praetorian"  wrote
>
> > > > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every time
> > > > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>
> > > >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their tails
> > > > between their legs.
>
> > > >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>
> > > Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to was
> > > correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR war.
>
> > Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
> > embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.
>
> > Fran
>
> So you're staking your claims about the general result of military
> conflict in Vietnam on a sample of one?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here's the original claim:

"The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every
time they met the Allied Forces in battle." (Brash)

The US marines fled as a demoralised rabble in 1973 and Saigon, April
1975 was the result. Look at the scoreboard, as they say in sport.


Fran

"Fran"  wrote in message 
news:1192443135.238120.63900@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 15, 7:40 am, kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Oct 14, 3:21 am, Fran  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > > On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>>
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > > "Praetorian"  wrote
>>
>> > > > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked 
>> > > > > every time
>> > > > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>>
>> > > >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their 
>> > > > tails
>> > > > between their legs.
>>
>> > > >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>>
>> > > Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to 
>> > > was
>> > > correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR war.
>>
>> > Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
>> > embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.
>>
>> > Fran
>>
>> So you're staking your claims about the general result of military
>> conflict in Vietnam on a sample of one?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Here's the original claim:
>
> "The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every
> time they met the Allied Forces in battle." (Brash)
>
> The US marines fled as a demoralised rabble in 1973 and Saigon, April
> 1975 was the result. Look at the scoreboard, as they say in sport.

Here's the original claim again:  "The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's 
getting their arses kicked every time they met the Allied Forces in battle."

Absolutely true.

BTW, still waiting for that evidence that the people who fleed in 1975 were 
"murderers"

On Oct 15, 8:24 pm, "Tex"  wrote:
> "Fran"  wrote in message
>
> news:1192443135.238120.63900@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 15, 7:40 am, kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Oct 14, 3:21 am, Fran  wrote:
>
> >> > On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> > > On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>
> >> > >  wrote:
> >> > > > "Praetorian"  wrote
>
> >> > > > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked
> >> > > > > every time
> >> > > > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>
> >> > > >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their
> >> > > > tails
> >> > > > between their legs.
>
> >> > > >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>
> >> > > Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to
> >> > > was
> >> > > correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR war.
>
> >> > Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
> >> > embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.
>
> >> > Fran
>
> >> So you're staking your claims about the general result of military
> >> conflict in Vietnam on a sample of one?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Here's the original claim:
>
> > "The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every
> > time they met the Allied Forces in battle." (Brash)
>
> > The US marines fled as a demoralised rabble in 1973 and Saigon, April
> > 1975 was the result. Look at the scoreboard, as they say in sport.
>
> Here's the original claim again:  "The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's
> getting their arses kicked every time they met the Allied Forces in battle."
>
> Absolutely true.
>
> BTW, still waiting for that evidence that the people who fleed

[fled]

> in 1975 were "murderers"

For the record, the description I used was "murderous collaborators".
That's not necessarily the same as being murderers personally.

It's clear though. The US ran several murder for hire programs (e.g.
Phoenix, Wheeler etc) with collaborators. Leaving the people who ran
those programs behind would have been embarrasing to say the least.

And of course, one of the most famous pictures of the war was of
General Ky summarily shooting an alleged NLF supporter in the head,
The leadership of the "South" Vietnam collaborator regime was
generally changed by means of violent coups with US backing.
'Murderous' is the right term for the regime's supporters.

Fran

"Fran"  wrote in message 
news:1192447865.746555.236990@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 15, 8:24 pm, "Tex"  wrote:
>> "Fran"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1192443135.238120.63900@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 15, 7:40 am, kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Oct 14, 3:21 am, Fran  wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >> > > On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>>
>> >> > >  wrote:
>> >> > > > "Praetorian"  wrote
>>
>> >> > > > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses 
>> >> > > > > kicked
>> >> > > > > every time
>> >> > > > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>>
>> >> > > >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with 
>> >> > > > their
>> >> > > > tails
>> >> > > > between their legs.
>>
>> >> > > >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>>
>> >> > > Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to
>> >> > > was
>> >> > > correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR 
>> >> > > war.
>>
>> >> > Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
>> >> > embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.
>>
>> >> > Fran
>>
>> >> So you're staking your claims about the general result of military
>> >> conflict in Vietnam on a sample of one?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Here's the original claim:
>>
>> > "The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every
>> > time they met the Allied Forces in battle." (Brash)
>>
>> > The US marines fled as a demoralised rabble in 1973 and Saigon, April
>> > 1975 was the result. Look at the scoreboard, as they say in sport.
>>
>> Here's the original claim again:  "The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's
>> getting their arses kicked every time they met the Allied Forces in 
>> battle."
>>
>> Absolutely true.
>>
>> BTW, still waiting for that evidence that the people who fleed
>
> [fled]
>
>> in 1975 were "murderers"
>
> For the record, the description I used was "murderous collaborators".
> That's not necessarily the same as being murderers personally.
>
> It's clear though. The US ran several murder for hire programs (e.g.
> Phoenix, Wheeler etc) with collaborators. Leaving the people who ran
> those programs behind would have been embarrasing to say the least.
>
> And of course, one of the most famous pictures of the war was of
> General Ky summarily shooting an alleged NLF supporter in the head,
> The leadership of the "South" Vietnam collaborator regime was
> generally changed by means of violent coups with US backing.
> 'Murderous' is the right term for the regime's supporters.

So, no actual evidence that the people jumping on the choppers were 
"murderous collaborators". I guess your slander of the refugees was complete 
horseshit

"Fran"  wrote in message 
news:1192447865.746555.236990@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 15, 8:24 pm, "Tex"  wrote:
>> "Fran"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1192443135.238120.63900@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 15, 7:40 am, kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Oct 14, 3:21 am, Fran  wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >> > > On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>>
>> >> > >  wrote:
>> >> > > > "Praetorian"  wrote
>>
>> >> > > > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses 
>> >> > > > > kicked
>> >> > > > > every time
>> >> > > > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>>
>> >> > > >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with 
>> >> > > > their
>> >> > > > tails
>> >> > > > between their legs.
>>
>> >> > > >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>>
>> >> > > Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to
>> >> > > was
>> >> > > correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR 
>> >> > > war.
>>
>> >> > Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
>> >> > embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.
>>
>> >> > Fran
>>
>> >> So you're staking your claims about the general result of military
>> >> conflict in Vietnam on a sample of one?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Here's the original claim:
>>
>> > "The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every
>> > time they met the Allied Forces in battle." (Brash)
>>
>> > The US marines fled as a demoralised rabble in 1973 and Saigon, April
>> > 1975 was the result. Look at the scoreboard, as they say in sport.
>>
>> Here's the original claim again:  "The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's
>> getting their arses kicked every time they met the Allied Forces in 
>> battle."
>>
>> Absolutely true.
>>
>> BTW, still waiting for that evidence that the people who fleed
>
> [fled]
>
>> in 1975 were "murderers"
>
> For the record, the description I used was "murderous collaborators".
> That's not necessarily the same as being murderers personally.
>
> It's clear though. The US ran several murder for hire programs (e.g.
> Phoenix, Wheeler etc) with collaborators. Leaving the people who ran
> those programs behind would have been embarrasing to say the least.
>
> And of course, one of the most famous pictures of the war was of
> General Ky summarily shooting an alleged NLF supporter in the head,

No, that was a police chief shooting the VC cadre

> The leadership of the "South" Vietnam collaborator regime was
> generally changed by means of violent coups with US backing.
> 'Murderous' is the right term for the regime's supporters.

So, anyone who prefered the Southern regime to the North was "murderous". 
Charming. You really are a kook, and a totalitarian apologist one at that.

On Oct 15, 6:12 am, Fran  wrote:
> On Oct 15, 7:40 am, kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 3:21 am, Fran  wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > > "Praetorian"  wrote
>
> > > > > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every time
> > > > > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>
> > > > >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their tails
> > > > > between their legs.
>
> > > > >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>
> > > > Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to was
> > > > correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR war.
>
> > > Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
> > > embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.
>
> > > Fran
>
> > So you're staking your claims about the general result of military
> > conflict in Vietnam on a sample of one?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Here's the original claim:
>
> "The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every
> time they met the Allied Forces in battle." (Brash)
>
> The US marines fled as a demoralised rabble in 1973 and Saigon, April
> 1975 was the result. Look at the scoreboard, as they say in sport.
>
> Fran

"Over 1.4 million military personal were killed in the war
(approximately 6% of whom were members of the United States armed
forces)."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
http://www.rjsmith.com/kia_tbl.html

Hmm.

"After the war, North Vietnamese officials acknowledged that the Tet
Offensive had, indeed, caused grave damage to NLF forces."

By all non-Marxist accounts, the US frequently handed the North
Vietnamese their asses and lost 6% of the forces killed in the war.
Spin away, commie.

"HangEveryRepubliKKKan"  wrote in message 
news:7PeQi.7787$xa2.4920@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "Praetorian"  wrote
>> The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every 
>> time they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>
>  Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their tails 
> between their legs.
>
>   Ahahahahahhahhhaha...


-- 
"Don't believe everything you think".

Is all I need to say.

"HangEveryRepubliKKKan"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Praetorian"  wrote
>> I call them "Watermelons"...... green on the outside, red on the inside.
>
> When Preatorian's throat is slit, I bet he is red on the inside too.

At least I'm not "green" like that old commie fag Bob Brown.


-- 
"Don't believe everything you think".

"Fran"  wrote in message 
news:1192346460.668560.172290@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 14, 4:56 pm, tropi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > "Praetorian"  wrote
>>
>> > > The NVA and Viet Cong were the one's getting their arses kicked every 
>> > > time
>> > > they met the Allied Forces in battle.
>>
>> >   Yup, and that's why the U.S. forces fled the country with their tails
>> > between their legs.
>>
>> >    Ahahahahahhahhhaha...
>>
>> Too bad you can't handle the truth. The statement you responded to was
>> correct: the USA always won on the battlefield. They lost the PR war.
>
> Yes ... that scramble onto that helicopter from the roof of the US
> embassy in Saigon was all lies and distortion by peacenik journos.
>
> Fran

Another Leftoid who can't handle the truth emerges.

Take a closer look..... those people scrambling on to the helicopters aren't 
US military. They're mostly civilians.

US and other Allied combat forces had withdrawn from South Vietnam long 
before the North Vietnamese (broke the peace accord) and invaded.


-- 
"Don't believe everything you think".

Peter Wicks seems a bit confused..... but that's no surprise.

These Leftoids are well known for being delusional.

-- 
"Don't believe everything you think".

"fasgnadh"  wrote in message 
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> Praetorian wrote:
>> "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"  wrote in 
>> message news:hlXPi.7733$xa2.316@read2.cgocable.net...
>>>
>>>  Ralph is just upset that the Vietnamese whipped his fucking ass in the 
>>> 1960's war
>>
>> LOL, I always laugh when you tossers say that.
>>
>
>
> Sure, we all know about your obsession with 'fucking arses';
>
>
>    # "Forced" my arse." -  Bash
>    #
>    #      Tough training!  8^o
>    #
>    # ""Recruits" my arse." -  Bash.
>    #
>    #       How much did they pay you for it?
>    #
>    #       Apparently the whole matter was looked into;
>    #
>    # "Master of defence studies my arse."
>    #
>    #      -From: "Brash" 
>    #       Newsgroups: aus.politics
>    #       Subject: Re: An oddity about Women in the front line.
>    #       Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:26:07 +1000
>    #   Message-ID:3b03c3f5$0$25504$7f31c...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>
>
> What is it about these blokes and their arse fixation;
>
>    # "sniff my arse, for some peculiar reason."
>    #
>    #      - From: "Brash" 
>    #        Newsgroups: aus.aviation,aus.services.defence
>    #        Subject: Re: Australian officials capture toothfish
>    #                 ship crew
>    #        Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:48:22 +1000
>    #        Message-ID: <3f506478$0$4189$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au>
>    #
>    #  "'Precision strikes' my arse" - Bash
>    #
>    #       That military training really pays off, for those of
>    #       you who enjoy it, the problem is, some don't;
>
> I thought Bash's arse obsession was a bit weird but he
> claims that cocksuckers, shirt-lifters and bum bandits
> are rife in the ADF, ....and HE SHOULD KNOW!   B^D
>
> # OP: "going on the experience of your RAAF types at sucking
> #      cocks...... which is well documented."
> #
> # Brash: "We all know that it's you army types that indulge in that
> #         ( and sticking your bits into other bloke's bums).
> #        5/7RAR got quite the reputation for it in Timor."
> #
>
> I guess that explains why Prate-on-again and Cess want to
> be alone, and when someone said "GET A ROOM", Dave Moss
> went and provided one for them!    B^D
>
>
>
>
> ---------
>
> Prime Minister Rip Van Winkle;
>
> "Well, I don't, I, I, I, I don't know. I, I mean, I, I "
>
>      - John Howard asked about his plans.
>
>     Sure John we will all just go get a coffee while
>     you find your mind and then make it up!    B^D
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/wmds_r_us/climate_coma.htm
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGqTayhu5QM
>
> "After a successful few years as a junior minister in
> Malcolm Fraser's government, Howard was promoted to
> treasury, where his five years in the job can only
> be judged as an unmitigated failure.
> Take a look at the statistics.
>
> When Howard left the treasury in March 1983, the
> budget deficit was forecast at $9.6 billion, inflation
> was 11 per cent, unemployment was 10.2 per cent,
> the economy was in recession with negative
> 0.4 per cent growth, and housing interest rates
> were 13 per cent.
>
> And, despite the 1982-83 recession being the worst
> since the Great Depression, Howard still managed to
> increase the federal tax take from 25.1 per cent of
> GDP in 1977 to 27.5 per cent of GDP by 1982-83.
>
> Howard then spent 13 years in opposition, during
> which - when he wasn't leader himself - he spent
> a lot of time conspiring against the three leaders
> he served under: Andrew Peacock, John Hewson and
> Alexander Downer."
>
> ---------
>
> "THE polls show John Howard is likely to be beaten
>  by Labor, now under its sharpest leader in a decade.
>  Facing defeat, the Prime Minister yesterday changed
>  not only his team but its tone." -Andrew Bolt 24/1/2007
>
> http://www.geocities.com/wmds_r_us/team_howard.htm
>
> http://www.geocities.com/wmds_r_us/howard_backs_costello.htm
>
> http://www.geocities.com/wmds_r_us/trust_me.htm
>
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