On Oct 4, 8:44 pm, Whata Fool  wrote:
> leo  wrote:
> >On Oct 3, 4:37 pm, Whata Fool  wrote:
> >> sleepalot  wrote:
> >> >On Oct 2, 1:32 pm, "tadams...@yahoo.com"  wrote:
> >> >> You see, that observation is based on the ice core data, the GHG and
> >> >> temperature measurements from the ice cores.  But, if you accept those
> >> >> measurements then you have accepted overwhelming evidence that GHGs
> >> >> have played a big role in driving climate.
>
> >> >Temperature _measurements_ from ice cores?
> >> >You mean that they take an ice core and stick a thermometer
> >> >in it at numerous points along its length, and take those measurements
> >> >to be the historic suface temperatures?
>
> >>          Of course, that is the way the present "ever in recorded history"
> >> measurements are made, it guarantees this is the warmest year ever.
>
> >>           Seriously though, it isn't much worse than including observation
> >> stations in far eastern Europe that closed down prior to 1990, as they
> >> usually had average temperatures 10 to 15 degrees below most of
> >> the rest of the world,
>
> >The historical records show that the period between the
> >switch from interglacial interludes and the return of
> >glaciation is about 20 short years.
>
>             And only took a difference of 2 or 3 degrees, right? :-)

     * Perhaps 2 or 3 degrees per year.

> >Moreover, as the earth proceeds through that 20 year
> >period, all hell breaks loose, with each year getting worse
> >and more violent than the previous one. Mother Nature
> >appears to go more and more berserk each year and by
> >the time that glaciation begins to set in Mother earth and
> >its inhabitants- us - are devastated - if still alive - to say
> >the least.
>
> >Do I have your attention now?
>
>            No, but I may skip over your posts like I do most of those
> by Nutts.

     * That labels you an ignorant jackass, unwilling to learn
        from others.
>
>            When there were ice ages, there was not many men,
> and all climate and weather was determined by nature.

     * It still is. Only 3.5% of the greenhouse gasses are
        man made. Of the 400+ ppm of CO2 presently in
        the upper atmosphere only 14ppm is man made.
        CO2 is an essential factor on earth, and if we were to
        seriously reduce it, nothing at all, neither plant nor
        animal. <G>

        Also much of the CO2 and methane emitted, combine
        with methane to produce water and Nitrogen. If you
        see water dripping from your tailpipe that is how it got
        there.

>            Now we have AGW to keep us safe.  :-)

     * SSSUUUURRRE kid---    not in the best year of your
        misbegotten life
>
>            The last ice age didn't end 12000 years ago, there was
> still a lot of ice in places,

     * So what, when you are talking about thousands of
        years, a few hundred here and there don't count.

and there still is quite a bit, to hear some
> tell it, it is as if it has all melted.

     * If you listen to the alarmists this fall the arctic ice
        is about to disappear, but that won't happen. There
        will be another cold winter this year to rebuild it and
        will be a lot of snow to build it up. How much will
        depend on the on the hydrothermal activity on the
        Gakkel ridge. The International AMORE team led by
        Maxx Planck Inst. were astonished at the
        hydrothermal activity they found last summer

>            If the warming that melted the major ice sheets across
> the north is still ongoing, who knows how long it will take, if
> ever, to revert to cooling.

  The energy is dissipated
in arctic space. Spring and Fall seasons get shorter and
shorter until all that's left is winter."

>           While I am not convinced that CO2 is the big player,
> I do think man can do things to avoid a cooling easier than
> he can do things to avoid a warming.

     * Nature will take its time and there is nothing we can
        do to accellerate or decellerate the action.
>
>            I have seen things go from 60 degrees one afternoon
> to minus 20 F  the next night, but without some event happening
> that seriously reduces the solar insolation at the surface, there
> isn't much chance of an abrupt cooling to ice age conditions.

     * If you had read my posts all your questions would
        have been answered:--


"Galciation is an acceleration of the normal process of
using evaporated water to carry heat energy from the
warm zones to cold zones. The effect of an increase in
atmospheric greenhouse gases such as water vapor - the
real greenhouse gas - is to increase cloud cover over polar
latitudes. The clouds have a cooling effect as well as
providing the snow for glaciation.