I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be a 
bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.

I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double hole 
washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to buy a 
replacement!)

Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising 
the cistern?

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:37:44 +0100, "Gareth"
 wrote:

>I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be a 
>bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>
>I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double hole 
>washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to buy a 
>replacement!)
>
>Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising 
>the cistern? 

 Would raising the cistern ( even if possible) solve the problem? ..I
can't see that it would .

"Gareth"  wrote in message 
news:48d14e6f$0$26090$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be 
>a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double 
> hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to 
> buy a replacement!)
>
> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without 
> raising the cistern?

suitably disguised stick-on magnet(s)/keeper?

Gareth wrote:
> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to 
> be a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
> 
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double 
> hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to 
> buy a replacement!)
> 
> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without 
> raising the cistern?

Just a thought - is the seat a thick wooden one? A thin plastic one 
might work. The thinner the seat is, the further back the centre of mass 
can go.

-- 
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious 
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
<www.thyromind.info> <www.thyroiduk.org> <www.altsupportthyroid.org>

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:37:44 +0100, "Gareth"
 wrote:

>Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising 
>the cistern? 

No, it's a bugger, but it don't arf keep small blokes on their toes
when they are peeing.

Just showed me to be more careful when buying badly designed crap. (Or
crappers)
:((

Gareth wrote:
> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems
> to be a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a
> double hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find
> anywhere to buy a replacement!)
>
> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without
> raising the cistern?

Change the toilet seat & lid.  Rummage around in B&Q opening boxes till you 
find a seat with multiple fixing points.  These normally have three threaded 
holes in the hinge so you can screw the bolts into the best fit & also 
revolve to help in lining things up.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"Gareth"  wrote in message 
news:48d14e6f$0$26090$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be 
>a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double 
> hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to 
> buy a replacement!)
>
> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without 
> raising the cistern?

There is only one way to do that!  It might appear odd, but glue a couple of 
small
strong magnets to the cistern on an underside edge.  Attach a small piece of 
metal
the the toilet seat, maybe bending it around on an inside edge at the front 
and glue
it.  Then the seat will stay up.  Or you could glue a few strong magnets to 
the
back of the seat when it is flat, then put a small piece of metal (painted 
to match)
on the rear of the toilet.  Those really strong small magnets will easily 
hold it.

"The Medway Handyman"  wrote in message 
news:DOdAk.59312$E41.13046@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> Gareth wrote:
>> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems
>> to be a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>>
>> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a
>> double hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find
>> anywhere to buy a replacement!)
>>
>> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without
>> raising the cistern?
>
> Change the toilet seat & lid.  Rummage around in B&Q opening boxes till 
> you find a seat with multiple fixing points.  These normally have three 
> threaded holes in the hinge so you can screw the bolts into the best fit & 
> also revolve to help in lining things up.
>
 And, while he's rummaging, get a bit of stainless threaded rod to replace 
the nasty rust buggers that come with all these fittings, and make a right 
old mess that is a pain to deal with next time you want to adjust things.

S

Gareth wrote:
> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to
> be a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
> 
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double
> hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to
> buy a replacement!)
> 
> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without
> raising the cistern?

We have the same problem except the plank that did the bathroom before
we had the house actually put the toilet in on a forward tilting angle
then fitted slate floor tiles cut around (and up) the base of the toilet.

So, we have a 6 yr old weeing on the seat. Myself I do a ladies (or
lazyman) style wee and 'er don't even know there's anything wrong with
it as she's never attempted weeing standing up..... well, I hope not as
our old dog may have been blamed for nothing for all these years!
(yes he sometimes wees in the bathroom!)

:¬)

I'll be watching this thread closely.

Cheers
Pete

www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:

> Gareth wrote:
> 
>>I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to
>>be a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>>
>>I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double
>>hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to
>>buy a replacement!)
>>
>>Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without
>>raising the cistern?
> 
> 
> We have the same problem except the plank that did the bathroom before
> we had the house actually put the toilet in on a forward tilting angle
> then fitted slate floor tiles cut around (and up) the base of the toilet.

I have a theory that all bathrooms are designed by a woman. Their 
attention to detail means that the toilet seat is always in the down 
position  :-(

> So, we have a 6 yr old weeing on the seat. Myself I do a ladies (or
> lazyman) style wee and 'er don't even know there's anything wrong with
> it as she's never attempted weeing standing up.

Did you never see the film 'The Full Monty? Where the young lad is in a 
cubical watching a woman peeing like a man does. Hitches skirt up, drops 
knickers almost to the floor and then pees onto the back of the urinals.

Dave

On 17 Sep, 19:37, "Gareth"  wrote:
> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be a
> bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double hole
> washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to buy a
> replacement!)
>
> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising
> the cistern?

The two fixings I've encountered are made with rotatable disks that
sit over the holes in the ceramic. The disks have two 'nut' sections,
either of which can take the fixing bolts. This means a wide range of
positions for the lid hinges can be set up, and I had to bring the
pivots to the maximum distance towards you, to allow the heavy lid to
stay up. A possible trouble was that the lid was now so far forward
that the front edge of the pan was almost fully visible.

Dave W

Dave W wrote:
> On 17 Sep, 19:37, "Gareth"  wrote:
>> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be a
>> bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>>
>> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double hole
>> washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to buy a
>> replacement!)
>>
>> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without raising
>> the cistern?
> 
> The two fixings I've encountered are made with rotatable disks that
> sit over the holes in the ceramic. The disks have two 'nut' sections,
> either of which can take the fixing bolts. This means a wide range of
> positions for the lid hinges can be set up, and I had to bring the
> pivots to the maximum distance towards you, to allow the heavy lid to
> stay up. A possible trouble was that the lid was now so far forward
> that the front edge of the pan was almost fully visible.
> 
> Dave W

I fitted a slimline plastic cistern. A bit pikey but it gave me extra 
space for 2" of insulation behind, plus the seat stayed up.

>Did you never see the film 'The Full Monty? Where the young lad is in a 
>cubical watching a woman peeing like a man does. Hitches skirt up, drops 
>knickers almost to the floor and then pees onto the back of the urinals.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030604104917/http://restrooms.org/standing.html


-- 
frank

In message <gaupjb$anl$1@registered.motzarella.org>, frank 
 writes
>>Did you never see the film 'The Full Monty? Where the young lad is in a
>>cubical watching a woman peeing like a man does. Hitches skirt up, drops
>>knickers almost to the floor and then pees onto the back of the urinals.
>
>http://web.archive.org/web/20030604104917/http://restrooms.org/standing.html
>
>

I remember this happening when I was stewarding for dexys midnight 
runners in kilburn, years ago

in the bogs, two "ladies" strode into the men's and one kept guard while 
the other dropped her knicks and pissed against the porcelain

a definite "what are you looking at ?" look on both their faces


-- 
geoff

Ian wrote:
> "Gareth"  wrote in message 
> news:48d14e6f$0$26090$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be 
>> a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>>
>> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double 
>> hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to 
>> buy a replacement!)
>>
>> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without 
>> raising the cistern?
> 
> There is only one way to do that!  It might appear odd, but glue a couple of 
> small
> strong magnets to the cistern on an underside edge.  Attach a small piece of 
> metal
> the the toilet seat, maybe bending it around on an inside edge at the front 
> and glue
> it.  Then the seat will stay up.  Or you could glue a few strong magnets to 
> the
> back of the seat when it is flat, then put a small piece of metal (painted 
> to match)
> on the rear of the toilet.  Those really strong small magnets will easily 
> hold it.

I was after a couple of powerful little magnets like this for another 
job the other day, but couldn't think where to look to buy some locally 
(in fact the only sources I could come up with were specialist online 
suppliers which would be too slow and with big p&p/minimum order 
charges.  I solved the problem by another method eventually.

What retail outlets sell them, anyone know?

David

It's usually a 'feature' of toilets installed by female plumbers...

-- 
F

"Gareth"  wrote in message 
news:48d14e6f$0$26090$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to be 
> a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double 
> hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to 
> buy a replacement!)
>
> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without 
> raising the cistern?

Thanks for all the replies - it seems though as if there isn't a simple 
solution. I can't help but think that I've missed something in terms of 
fixing alignment but I've tried every permutation possible.

I may try to find a thinner plastic seat but I'm not convinced it will solve 
the problem. It looks as if I will need to buy a new set anyway because 
there's nowhere to buy replacement (2 hole) fixing washers from.

It's crazy really. I can't believe that someone would install a toilet 
without checking that the seat can stay up. But they obviously did - either 
that or didn't care.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Gareth"
 saying something like:

>It's crazy really. I can't believe that someone would install a toilet 
>without checking that the seat can stay up. But they obviously did - either 
>that or didn't care.

It's dead common, as many a bruised willy will demonstrate.
-- 
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
 How much more suspenseful can you get?"
 - House

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "Gareth"
>  saying something like:
>
>> It's crazy really. I can't believe that someone would install a
>> toilet without checking that the seat can stay up. But they
>> obviously did - either that or didn't care.
>
> It's dead common, as many a bruised willy will demonstrate.

...and the water is cold as well.



-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman wrote:

>>> It's crazy really. I can't believe that someone would install a
>>> toilet without checking that the seat can stay up. But they
>>> obviously did - either that or didn't care.
>> It's dead common, as many a bruised willy will demonstrate.
> 
> ...and the water is cold as well.

And deep!

In uk.d-i-y, Gareth wrote:
>I can't believe that someone would install a toilet without checking
>that the seat can stay up. But they obviously did - either that or
>didn't care.

By the time they find out, it's too late to do anything about it, even
if they wanted to.

-- 
Mike Barnes

On 19/09/2008 21:20 Gareth wrote:

> Thanks for all the replies - it seems though as if there isn't a simple 
> solution. I can't help but think that I've missed something in terms of 
> fixing alignment but I've tried every permutation possible.

Are you sure that neither the seat to pan fixing, nor the seat to hinge 
fixing doesn't have a second hole or slot to allow for the seat to be 
moved forward on the pan?

-- 
F

"F" <news@nowhere> wrote in message 
news:PPSdnXHsx7-Sh0jVnZ2dnUVZ8qXinZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> On 19/09/2008 21:20 Gareth wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the replies - it seems though as if there isn't a simple 
>> solution. I can't help but think that I've missed something in terms of 
>> fixing alignment but I've tried every permutation possible.
>
> Are you sure that neither the seat to pan fixing, nor the seat to hinge 
> fixing doesn't have a second hole or slot to allow for the seat to be 
> moved forward on the pan?

Thank you. Yes, there is a second hole. Problem is I managed to lose the 2 
hole washer (the one that fits between the seat and pan) down the toilet! It 
doesn't seem possible to buy a replacement anywhere so I guess I'm going to 
have to buy a different seat anyway. Very frustrating.

Gareth.

Gareth wrote:

> Problem is I managed to lose the 2
> hole washer (the one that fits between the seat and pan) down the toilet!
> It doesn't seem possible to buy a replacement anywhere so I guess I'm
> going to have to buy a different seat anyway. Very frustrating.

I've got a salvaged one here in my box of "bits that might come in useful
some day but seldom do" (TM). It's a bit rust stained but you're welcome to
it if it helps, my reply address (but not the from address) should work if
you want to email me your snail mail address.

-- 
Mike Clarke

On 21/09/2008 09:56 Gareth wrote:

> Thank you. Yes, there is a second hole. Problem is I managed to lose the 
> 2 hole washer (the one that fits between the seat and pan) down the 
> toilet! It doesn't seem possible to buy a replacement anywhere so I 
> guess I'm going to have to buy a different seat anyway.

The ones I've dealt with have been rubber/plastic washers: metal against 
porcelain doesn't sound like a good idea. Can you find something with a 
little 'give' in it to go between the two surfaces?

-- 
F

Gareth wrote:
> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to 
> be a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
> 
> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double 
> hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to 
> buy a replacement!)
> 
> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without 
> raising the cistern?

As others have suggested, flipping the little mounting plates round can 
buy you another half inch or so, but it sounds like you tried that.

I am imagining a cantilevered counterweight (or spring) attached to the 
seat, so that it defaults to the UP position, like on aeroplanes. No 
more getting smacked on the todger in mid-flow.

Edwin.
------

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:49:59 +0100, Edwin Spector
 wrote:

>Gareth wrote:
>> I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to 
>> be a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>> 
>> I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double 
>> hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to 
>> buy a replacement!)
>> 
>> Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without 
>> raising the cistern?
>
>As others have suggested, flipping the little mounting plates round can 
>buy you another half inch or so, but it sounds like you tried that.
>
>I am imagining a cantilevered counterweight (or spring) attached to the 
>seat, so that it defaults to the UP position, like on aeroplanes. No 
>more getting smacked on the todger in mid-flow.
>
Another possibility is to use one of those brass latch things fitted
at the end of a pub bar to hold up, well, the end section for the
staff to pass through.

-- 
Frank Erskine

Frank Erskine wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:49:59 +0100, Edwin Spector
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>>Gareth wrote:
>>
>>>I can't find any solution to this problem - the toilet cistern seems to 
>>>be a bit too far forward for the seat to stay up.
>>>
>>>I've tried altering the position of the fixings (and even lost a double 
>>>hole washer down the toilet in the process - and can't find anywhere to 
>>>buy a replacement!)
>>>
>>>Has anyone else had the same problem and managed to solve it without 
>>>raising the cistern?
>>
>>As others have suggested, flipping the little mounting plates round can 
>>buy you another half inch or so, but it sounds like you tried that.
>>
>>I am imagining a cantilevered counterweight (or spring) attached to the 
>>seat, so that it defaults to the UP position, like on aeroplanes. No 
>>more getting smacked on the todger in mid-flow.
>>
> 
> Another possibility is to use one of those brass latch things fitted
> at the end of a pub bar to hold up, well, the end section for the
> staff to pass through.

Wouldn't half hurt your back when you sat down on the seat with your 
newspaper in your hands though  ;-)

And think of the ear ache when your wife sits on the seat. She has to do 
it this way every time  :-(

Having read this thread from day one, I think the best answer was the 
strong magnet and steel plate under the seat.

Dave

Dave wrote:
> 
> And think of the ear ache when your wife sits on the seat. She has to do 
> it this way every time  :-(
> 
> Having read this thread from day one, I think the best answer was the 
> strong magnet and steel plate under the seat.
> 

Well, even better. Replace the magnet with a electromagnet, and then 
RFID microchip the wife like the family pet. When she approaches the 
lav, the seat WILL be down....

though it may make a hell of a thump in the middle of the night....

-- 
Adrian C

Adrian C wrote:

> Dave wrote:
> 
>>
>> And think of the ear ache when your wife sits on the seat. She has to 
>> do it this way every time  :-(
>>
>> Having read this thread from day one, I think the best answer was the 
>> strong magnet and steel plate under the seat.
>>
> 
> Well, even better. Replace the magnet with a electromagnet, and then 
> RFID microchip the wife like the family pet. When she approaches the 
> lav, the seat WILL be down....
> 
> though it may make a hell of a thump in the middle of the night....
> 
LOL

No RAOTFLMAO

Dave

Dave wrote:
>> Well, even better. Replace the magnet with a electromagnet, and then 
>> RFID microchip the wife like the family pet.

Hmm - I can think of endless uses of that...
Better yet, I'll get the kids done, too.

David