I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
sure - hope the authors don't mind).

A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
which I'll send to the family.

I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...

Version for screen viewing:
http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf

Version for double-sided booklet printing:
http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article <48cd7ffd$0$3302$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
	andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) writes:
> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
> 
> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
> which I'll send to the family.
> 
> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...

They are there now.
(Wasn't Demon for once - it was a broken cable at home.)

> Version for screen viewing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
> 
> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
> 

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
> 
> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
> which I'll send to the family.
> 
> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
> 
> Version for screen viewing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
> 
> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
> 
Andrew,

Thank you for doing that. I'd be surprised if that doesn't get a few 
more tears shed by his family.

-- 
Rod

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
> 
> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
> which I'll send to the family.
> 
> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
> 
> Version for screen viewing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
> 
> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf

Nicely done Andy.

(never thought I would hear myself complain about this ;-) - but you 
missed off dribble, who has just resurfaced at the end of the original 
thread)

-- 
Cheers,

John.

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John Rumm  wrote:
>
>Nicely done Andy.


Seconded.  Thank you, Andy.

Andrew Gabriel coughed up some electrons that declared:

> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
> 
> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
> which I'll send to the family.
> 
> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
> 
> Version for screen viewing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
> 
> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
> 

Very fitting and nicely done.

Thanks Andrew.

On 14 Sep 2008 21:19:57 GMT, andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

>I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
>outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
>sure - hope the authors don't mind).
>
>A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
>which I'll send to the family.
>
>I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
>
>Version for screen viewing:
>http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
>
>Version for double-sided booklet printing:
>http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf

Many thanks.

It may be of some import to his family to know that he had influenced
strangers to comment on his passing.

In article <UNOdnaaqBfybFVDVnZ2dnUVZ8tninZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
	John Rumm  writes:
> 
> (never thought I would hear myself complain about this ;-) - but you 
> missed off dribble, who has just resurfaced at the end of the original 
> thread)

I just noticed. The thread went quiet for a long time so I
thought it was done. I'll add in the further comments at some
point (might be next weekend - looks like I'm going to be
very busy this week). If I can find out where his parents are,
I'll do one for them too.

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Rod wrote:
> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
>> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
>> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
>>
>> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
>> which I'll send to the family.
>>
>> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
>>
>> Version for screen viewing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
>>
>> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
>>
> Andrew,
> 
> Thank you for doing that. I'd be surprised if that doesn't get a few 
> more tears shed by his family.
> 
It got _me_ all weepy, and I only knew him from uk.d-i-y

In message <UNOdnaaqBfybFVDVnZ2dnUVZ8tninZ2d@posted.plusnet>, John Rumm 
 writes
>Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
>> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
>> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
>>  A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for 
>>me
>> which I'll send to the family.
>>  I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
>>  Version for screen viewing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
>>  Version for double-sided booklet printing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
>
>Nicely done Andy.
>
>(never thought I would hear myself complain about this ;-) - but you 
>missed off dribble, who has just resurfaced at the end of the original 
>thread)
>
Yes - I was quite taken aback by that post and had exactly the same 
thought


A good compilation

I can put it up as a permanent memorial on uk-diy.org if you think it 
would be fitting

-- 
geoff

Andrew Gabriel  wrote:

> In article <UNOdnaaqBfybFVDVnZ2dnUVZ8tninZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
>       John Rumm  writes:
> > 
> > (never thought I would hear myself complain about this ;-) - but you
> > missed off dribble, who has just resurfaced at the end of the original
> > thread)
> 
...

> If I can find out where his parents are,
> I'll do one for them too.

I'm sure Andy would have pointed out that there's no chance of finding
out who Dribble's parents are. Even Dribble doesn't know.

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by
> someone outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just
> to be sure - hope the authors don't mind).
>
> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
> which I'll send to the family.
>
> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
>
> Version for screen viewing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
>
> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by
> someone outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just
> to be sure - hope the authors don't mind).

Andrew

My brief contribution is attributed to Anon - could you put my name/sig to 
it please.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In article ,
	geoff  writes:
> 
> I can put it up as a permanent memorial on uk-diy.org if you think it 
> would be fitting

I think that would be a good idea. However, leave it until
I've done another update to include further comments made.

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In message <gBgzk.57800$E41.34834@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The Medway 
Handyman  writes
>Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by
>> someone outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just
>> to be sure - hope the authors don't mind).
>>
>> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
>> which I'll send to the family.
>>
>> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
>>
>> Version for screen viewing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
>>
>> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
>
>
yes he did ...

and ?

-- 
geoff

In article <ECgzk.57801$E41.47320@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
	"The Medway Handyman"  writes:
> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by
>> someone outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just
>> to be sure - hope the authors don't mind).
> 
> Andrew
> 
> My brief contribution is attributed to Anon - could you put my name/sig to 
> it please.

Oops, will do. Sorry about that.
I wonder how many others I've managed to mix up the attributions for? :-(

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article <ECgzk.57801$E41.47320@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> 	"The Medway Handyman"  writes:
>> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by
>>> someone outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just
>>> to be sure - hope the authors don't mind).
>> Andrew
>>
>> My brief contribution is attributed to Anon - could you put my name/sig to 
>> it please.
> 
> Oops, will do. Sorry about that.
> I wonder how many others I've managed to mix up the attributions for? :-(

While on the minor tweaks, feel free to include my real email address 
which you left off on my comment.

-- 
Cheers,

John.

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In article <48cd7ffd$0$3302$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
   Andrew Gabriel  wrote:
> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
> sure - hope the authors don't mind).

> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
> which I'll send to the family.

> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...

> Version for screen viewing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf

> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf

Very nice job, Andrew.

I've been wondering if we could institute some form of annual award or
whatever to keep his memory alive? I haven't any definite thoughts - just
something I think could be a nice gesture.

-- 
*'Progress' and 'Change' are not synonyms.

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article <yLWdnXbNCumRB1DVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
	John Rumm  writes:
> 
> While on the minor tweaks, feel free to include my real email address 
> which you left off on my comment.

Munged or not? Since it's likely to be online somewhere, I left
munging in where it had been used (and I wasn't sure I could
reliably have removed it all in any case).

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

John Rumm wrote:
> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by
>> someone outside this environment (changed just a couple of words
>> just to be sure - hope the authors don't mind).
>>
>> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
>> which I'll send to the family.
>>
>> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
>>
>> Version for screen viewing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
>>
>> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
>
> Nicely done Andy.
>
> (never thought I would hear myself complain about this ;-) - but you
> missed off dribble, who has just resurfaced at the end of the original
> thread)

And has proved himself a gentleman  after all.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"Andrew Gabriel"  wrote in message 
news:48cd7ffd$0$3302$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
>
> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
> which I'll send to the family.
>
> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
>
> Version for screen viewing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
>
> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
>
> -- 
> Andrew Gabriel
> [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Andrew

I very much appreciate you taking time to do this for Andy and his family.
I am sure they will appreciate, and see, just what an asset he was to this 
group and how much he will be missed, and indeed will continue to be an 
asset as we have all taken something from him in the past that we will be 
richer from in the future.
You're a Gentleman Andrew and I am sure everyone here thanks you for doing 
such a touching, poinient and heart warming memorial from all of his friends 
here at uk.d-i-y.

God bless
Sam

"Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
news:4fdee91a61dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <48cd7ffd$0$3302$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
>   Andrew Gabriel  wrote:
>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
>> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
>> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
>
>> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
>> which I'll send to the family.
>
>> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
>
>> Version for screen viewing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
>
>> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
>
> Very nice job, Andrew.
>
> I've been wondering if we could institute some form of annual award or
> whatever to keep his memory alive? I haven't any definite thoughts - just
> something I think could be a nice gesture.
>
> -- 
> *'Progress' and 'Change' are not synonyms.
>
>    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
>                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

What a lovely idea Dave.

Samantha Booth wrote:
> "Andrew Gabriel"  wrote in message
> news:48cd7ffd$0$3302$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by
>> someone outside this environment (changed just a couple of words
>> just to be sure - hope the authors don't mind).

> I very much appreciate you taking time to do this for Andy and his
> family. I am sure they will appreciate, and see, just what an asset
> he was to this group and how much he will be missed, and indeed will
> continue to be an asset as we have all taken something from him in
> the past that we will be richer from in the future.

> You're a Gentleman Andrew and I am sure everyone here thanks you for
> doing such a touching, poinient and heart warming memorial from all
> of his friends here at uk.d-i-y.

My sentiments exactly Sam, thank you for expressing so much better than I 
ever could.  Thanks Andrew.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

John Rumm wrote:
> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>> In article <ECgzk.57801$E41.47320@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
>>     "The Medway Handyman"  writes:
>>> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>>>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>>>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>>>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by
>>>> someone outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just
>>>> to be sure - hope the authors don't mind).
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> My brief contribution is attributed to Anon - could you put my 
>>> name/sig to it please.
>>
>> Oops, will do. Sorry about that.
>> I wonder how many others I've managed to mix up the attributions for? :-(
> 
> While on the minor tweaks, feel free to include my real email address 
> which you left off on my comment.
> 
And mine.
sheila at viemeister dot co dot uk

Dave Plowman (News)  wrote:

> I've been wondering if we could institute some form of annual award or
> whatever to keep his memory alive? 

"Most blinkered support for an Aga"?

"Recommendation for a really expensive tool"?

"Frequent Flyer Trophy Cup"?

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article <yLWdnXbNCumRB1DVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
> 	John Rumm  writes:
>> While on the minor tweaks, feel free to include my real email address 
>> which you left off on my comment.
> 
> Munged or not? Since it's likely to be online somewhere, I left
> munging in where it had been used (and I wasn't sure I could
> reliably have removed it all in any case).

If its in a PDF then its probably not a problem using it straight...

If its going in HTML then a bit of numeric character encoding will throw 
the vast majority of havesters.


-- 
Cheers,

John.

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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>> While on the minor tweaks, feel free to include my real email address 
>> which you left off on my comment.
> Munged or not? Since it's likely to be online somewhere, I left
> munging in where it had been used (and I wasn't sure I could
> reliably have removed it all in any case).

I now double-bag [ahem] on usenet and mung an address which doesn't work 
even if demunged.

Does anyone with a reliable news server know what Andy's last few posts 
were?

Owain

On 15/09/2008 05:36, Owain wrote:

> Does anyone with a reliable news server know what Andy's last few posts 
> were?

The last of his posts I saw via Giganews on 7th August were

"Wooden bosses for handrails - who sells 'em ?"
msgid:<489a3405@qaanaaq>
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/02ec9d785f82c27c

"Biscuit Jointing"
msgid:<489aab77@qaanaaq>
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/dae1aa6df5d6a5af

and finally

"Domestic windmills put to bed."
msgid:<489acbd7@qaanaaq>
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/e4e0b1174df02e27

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:53:18 +0100, John Rumm 
wrote:

>Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
>> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
>> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
>> 
>> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
>> which I'll send to the family.
>> 
>> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
>> 
>> Version for screen viewing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
>> 
>> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
>
>Nicely done Andy.

Thirded.  Thanks for taking the time and trouble.  

Andy C

In article <1inac5k.1o0r7ge1m03n08N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>,
   Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> > I've been wondering if we could institute some form of annual award or
> > whatever to keep his memory alive? 

> "Most blinkered support for an Aga"?

> "Recommendation for a really expensive tool"?

> "Frequent Flyer Trophy Cup"?

Best power tool released over a year might be an idea. Although getting a
consensus would be the problem.

-- 
*When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say? *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <48cd7ffd$0$3302$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
>    Andrew Gabriel  wrote:
>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
>> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
>> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
> 
>> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
>> which I'll send to the family.
> 
>> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
> 
>> Version for screen viewing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
> 
>> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
> 
> Very nice job, Andrew.
> 
> I've been wondering if we could institute some form of annual award or
> whatever to keep his memory alive? I haven't any definite thoughts - just
> something I think could be a nice gesture.
> 
"Poster of the Year" - biggest and best contribution to uk.d-i-y in the 
year?

Combine number *and* quality of posts (-100 for every 'Please eff off as 
you are a total plantpot.' :-)  ). Maybe extras to be gained from other 
activities (e.g. doing wiki articles, arranging meets)?

-- 
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious 
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
<www.thyromind.info> <www.thyroiduk.org> <www.altsupportthyroid.org>

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <48cd7ffd$0$3302$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
>    Andrew Gabriel  wrote:
>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
>> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
>> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
> 
>> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
>> which I'll send to the family.
> 
>> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
> 
>> Version for screen viewing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
> 
>> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
> 
> Very nice job, Andrew.
> 
> I've been wondering if we could institute some form of annual award or
> whatever to keep his memory alive? I haven't any definite thoughts - just
> something I think could be a nice gesture.
> 
If I should go before the rest of you
Break not a flower
Nor inscribe a stone
Nor when I am gone
Speak in a Sunday voice
But be the usual selves
That I have known

Weep if you must
Parting is hell
But life goes on
So .... sing as well

Joyce Grenfell
1910-1979

Owain wrote:
> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>>> While on the minor tweaks, feel free to include my real email address 
>>> which you left off on my comment.
>> Munged or not? Since it's likely to be online somewhere, I left
>> munging in where it had been used (and I wasn't sure I could
>> reliably have removed it all in any case).
> 
> I now double-bag [ahem] on usenet and mung an address which doesn't work 
> even if demunged.
> 
> Does anyone with a reliable news server know what Andy's last few posts 
> were?

They have scrolled off  my system, but google seems to identify a few on 
the 7th.

I was wondering if it was worth doing an announcement on some of the 
other groups he frequented. None had the sort of posting history as 
here, but a couple had a reasonable amount of posts?

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:45:17 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:

> Samantha Booth wrote:
>
>> I very much appreciate you taking time to do this for Andy and his
>> family. I am sure they will appreciate, and see, just what an asset
>> he was to this group and how much he will be missed, and indeed will
>> continue to be an asset as we have all taken something from him in
>> the past that we will be richer from in the future.
>> 
>> You're a Gentleman Andrew and I am sure everyone here thanks you for
>> doing such a touching, poinient and heart warming memorial from all
>> of his friends here at uk.d-i-y.
> 
> My sentiments exactly Sam, thank you for expressing so much better than 
> I ever could.  Thanks Andrew.

Hear Hear.

-- 
Cheers
Dave.

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:10:12 +0100, John Rumm
 wrote:

>While on the minor tweaks, feel free to include my real email address 
>which you left off on my comment.

I signed mine AJH, because that's how I sign notes, but later wished I
had used my name, Andrew Heggie.

Dave Plowman (News)  wrote:

> Best power tool released over a year might be an idea. Although getting a
> consensus would be the problem.

<mode=Drivel>

Aldi Wall Chaser

</mode>

Hmm, I can see the problem. OTOH if the criteria becomes "What would
Andy have done?" it becomes a bit easier, doesn't it?

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew
Gabriel) saying something like:

>Version for screen viewing:
>http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf

In various usenet groups over the ~11 years I've been on, I've seen a
few contributors drop off the perch, but I've never seen such a
collection of genuinely sad comments at the passing of a group member.
It's a measure of how he affected us all, some of us without realising
it.
-- 
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
 How much more suspenseful can you get?"
 - House

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew
> Gabriel) saying something like:
> 
>> Version for screen viewing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
> 
> In various usenet groups over the ~11 years I've been on, I've seen a
> few contributors drop off the perch, but I've never seen such a
> collection of genuinely sad comments at the passing of a group member.
> It's a measure of how he affected us all, some of us without realising
> it.

In alt.support.thyroid one person was the most prolific and helpful 
poster of the lot. He died some time ago - and it took a while for the 
story to become apparent. Clearly he was very much missed - certainly by us.

And he only manged 753 posts! Andy Hall's total is nothing short of 
astonishing.

-- 
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious 
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
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On 14 Sep 2008 21:19:57 GMT
andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet

Well done.  And thank you.

In article <48cd7ffd$0$3302$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
 andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet ...

It's extremely good of you to do this Andrew: it's very much appreciated.

Thanks
John Law

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:53:39 +0100, in uk.d-i-y John Rumm
 wrote:

> Owain wrote:
> > Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> >>> While on the minor tweaks, feel free to include my real email address 
> >>> which you left off on my comment.
> >> Munged or not? Since it's likely to be online somewhere, I left
> >> munging in where it had been used (and I wasn't sure I could
> >> reliably have removed it all in any case).
> > 
> > I now double-bag [ahem] on usenet and mung an address which doesn't work 
> > even if demunged.
> > 
> > Does anyone with a reliable news server know what Andy's last few posts 
> > were?
> 
> They have scrolled off  my system, but google seems to identify a few on 
> the 7th.
> 
> I was wondering if it was worth doing an announcement on some of the 
> other groups he frequented. None had the sort of posting history as 
> here, but a couple had a reasonable amount of posts?

Nice idea, will either you or andrew do it? 

Phil

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On 14 Sep 2008 21:19:57 GMT, in uk.d-i-y andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
> sure - hope the authors don't mind).

Thanks Andrew, nice job.

Phil

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:32:14 +0100, in uk.d-i-y geoff 
wrote:

> In message <UNOdnaaqBfybFVDVnZ2dnUVZ8tninZ2d@posted.plusnet>, John Rumm 
>  writes
> >
> >(never thought I would hear myself complain about this ;-) - but you 
> >missed off dribble, who has just resurfaced at the end of the original 
> >thread)
> >
> Yes - I was quite taken aback by that post and had exactly the same 
> thought

Another achievement for .andy!

> A good compilation
> 
> I can put it up as a permanent memorial on uk-diy.org if you think it 
> would be fitting

Good idea, and on diyfaq.org.uk too

Phil

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Andy Burns wrote:
>> Does anyone with a reliable news server know what Andy's last few 
>> posts were?
> The last of his posts I saw via Giganews on 7th August were
> "Wooden bosses for handrails - who sells 'em ?"
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/02ec9d785f82c27c
> "Biscuit Jointing"
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/dae1aa6df5d6a5af
> "Domestic windmills put to bed."
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/e4e0b1174df02e27

Ta.

All very concise with a touch of humour.

Owain

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:19:57 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
...
> Version for screen viewing:
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf

Thanks Andrew.

Couple of proofing points: the screen version (at least) has ASCII smileys
rendered as ghastly weeny graphics characters. Not at all in keeping with
uk.d-i-y's 7-bit ethos!

And in the copy of my post you've out left a bit of text (about Andy's
ding-dongs with Drivel) which makes even less sense of my own drivel :-/


-- 
John Stumbles

My karma ran over my dogma

In article <o2Czk.28667$KW1.10916@newsfe20.ams2>,
	John Stumbles  writes:
> Couple of proofing points: the screen version (at least) has ASCII smileys
> rendered as ghastly weeny graphics characters. Not at all in keeping with
> uk.d-i-y's 7-bit ethos!

If you can suggest a generally available font with smiles, I'll
try that. I already changed them once (the original font didn't
display them under Windows at all - the current one displays fine
on my copy of Windows, and prints properly on professional printers).
Leaving them as the original characters means nothing to a non-Usenet
user, and without the sense of expression they imply, several of the
sentenances have the wrong meaning.

> And in the copy of my post you've out left a bit of text (about Andy's
> ding-dongs with Drivel) which makes even less sense of my own drivel :-/

Didn't seem appropriate in the circumstances?

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In message <3Y-dnXRXb5YfK1PVRVnyugA@posted.plusnet>, Owain 
 writes
>Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Does anyone with a reliable news server know what Andy's last few 
>>>posts were?
>> The last of his posts I saw via Giganews on 7th August were
>> "Wooden bosses for handrails - who sells 'em ?"
>> http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/02ec9d785f82c27c
>> "Biscuit Jointing"
>> http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/dae1aa6df5d6a5af
>> "Domestic windmills put to bed."
>> http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/e4e0b1174df02e27
>
>Ta.
>
>All very concise with a touch of humour.

Very sad to see the *post activity* record cease in August.

My wife is always planning what wording to put on my tombstone but I 
guess searchable records are what most of us will leave behind.

regards

-- 
Tim Lamb

On Sep 16, 8:42 am, and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel)
wrote:
> In article <o2Czk.28667$KW1.10...@newsfe20.ams2>,
>         John Stumbles  writes:

Oh no, this is so sad. And one of those situations that words can
never do justice. His clarity on political matters will be missed as
well as his DIY expertise, though this is no comparison to the loss of
his nearest and dearest.


NT

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:42:44 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

> In article <o2Czk.28667$KW1.10916@newsfe20.ams2>,
> 	John Stumbles  writes:
>> Couple of proofing points: the screen version (at least) has ASCII smileys
>> rendered as ghastly weeny graphics characters. Not at all in keeping with
>> uk.d-i-y's 7-bit ethos!
> 
> If you can suggest a generally available font with smiles, I'll
> try that.

I meant that smilies themselves seemed inappropriate, given the nature of
the group.

> Leaving them as the original characters means nothing to a non-Usenet
> user,

Ah, I get your point. Actually "Usenet Newsgroup" prolly doesn't mean
much to a non-Usenet user: maybe there could be a preamble along the lines
of:

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

"Newsgroups" - a communication form superficially akin to mailing lists -
have been a feature of electronic communications since the earliest days
of the internet. Unadorned by the fancy graphics of web-based bulletin
boards, and mostly un-weighted by central control it is perhaps an
indication of Andy's penchant for succinct and to-the-point interchange
that he made the "uk.d-i-y" group - one of the longest-running and still
thriving such groups - his own. This group has at any given time included
a core of more or less committed and more or less knowledgable
contributors who bring their own interests, knowledge and style to
procedings. Inevitably interchanges between such people tend to include
"in" jokes and references, and a sort of shorthand which uses
cryptic-looking strings of punctuation - "smileys" - to indicate facial
expressions, such as :-) for a smile, :-( for a frown or sad face, etc.

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

I'm sure that text could be improved upon ...






>> And in the copy of my post you've out left a bit of text (about Andy's
>> ding-dongs with Drivel) which makes even less sense of my own drivel
>> :-/
> 
> Didn't seem appropriate in the circumstances?

I don't mind you leaving out anything that seems inappropriate for the
tribute, but you've left out the half about Andy's ding-dongs with
Dr D but left in the half about the message subject disappearing in my
newsreader, which makes even less sense in isolation :-/


-- 
John Stumbles

Xenophobia? Sounds a bit foreign to me.

Phil Addison wrote:

>> I was wondering if it was worth doing an announcement on some of the 
>> other groups he frequented. None had the sort of posting history as 
>> here, but a couple had a reasonable amount of posts?
> 
> Nice idea, will either you or andrew do it? 

OK, I have done alt.support.sleep-disorder and alt.support.diabetes.uk 
as they seemed like the next most heavily used groups.

-- 
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Andrew Gabriel  wrote:

> 
> Also an HTML version
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.html

<cough>
ITYM:

http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.html

And your site security sucks.

In article <1infcv4.kl9t58yc1ypsN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>,
	%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) writes:
> Andrew Gabriel  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Also an HTML version
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.html
> 
> <cough>
> ITYM:
> 
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.html

Yes indeed.

> And your site security sucks.

I don't think I care, but in what way? Because you can browse the directory?

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article <48cd7ffd$0$3302$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
> 	andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) writes:
>> I wrapped the comments together into a little booklet, and got it
>> proof-read by a couple of non-Usenet/non-Internet people to make sure
>> there was no scope for offence or misunderstanding when read by someone
>> outside this environment (changed just a couple of words just to be
>> sure - hope the authors don't mind).
>>
>> A colleague has just brought round a nicely printed off a copy for me
>> which I'll send to the family.
>>
>> I will upload (when Demon's web uploading stops hanging)...
>>
>> Version for screen viewing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall.pdf
>>
>> Version for double-sided booklet printing:
>> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.pdf
> 
> Updated.
> 
> Also an HTML version
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/andy_hall/andy_hall_booklet.html

Looking at the responses on the other groups I posted an announcement 
to, there are more people who would like to add their comments. I have 
asked them to post to the original Andy Hall thread here, but in case 
they don't, it might be worth mopping up some from the "Sad News" posts 
I placed on alt.support.diabetes.uk and a.s.sleep-disorder.

-- 
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John.

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In article <P_udnR94VYR4zUzVnZ2dnUVZ8sXinZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
	John Rumm  writes:
> 
> Looking at the responses on the other groups I posted an announcement 
> to, there are more people who would like to add their comments. I have 
> asked them to post to the original Andy Hall thread here, but in case 
> they don't, it might be worth mopping up some from the "Sad News" posts 
> I placed on alt.support.diabetes.uk and a.s.sleep-disorder.

Well, this is the set I sent off, earlier today. That's not
to say we can't carry on collecting more comments though.

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Andrew Gabriel  wrote:

> > And your site security sucks.
> 
> I don't think I care, but in what way? Because you can browse the directory?

Yes. Generally not a good idea.

Steve Firth coughed up some electrons that declared:

> Andrew Gabriel  wrote:
> 
>> > And your site security sucks.
>> 
>> I don't think I care, but in what way? Because you can browse the
>> directory?
> 
> Yes. Generally not a good idea.

I disagree. Readable *scripts* would be more generally a bad idea, but I
fail to see how browsing a web directory is bad in the *general case*
(specific cases may warrent it).

Cheers

Tim

Tim S  wrote:

> Steve Firth coughed up some electrons that declared:
> 
> > Andrew Gabriel  wrote:
> > 
> >> > And your site security sucks.
> >> 
> >> I don't think I care, but in what way? Because you can browse the
> >> directory?
> > 
> > Yes. Generally not a good idea.
> 
> I disagree. 

You're allowed to be wrong.

> Readable *scripts* would be more generally a bad idea, but I
> fail to see how browsing a web directory is bad in the *general case*
> (specific cases may warrent it).

It's not a good principle in general to allow people to see any
documents other than the ones that you actually want them to see.

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:09:41 +0100, Steve Firth wrote:

> It's not a good principle in general to allow people to see any
> documents other than the ones that you actually want them to see.

Indeed. But if I'm aware that they can see the contents of a directory and
allow it to be browsable is there any specific vulnerability connected
with doing so? Usually if I don't want people to browse a dir I put an
index.html file in there. I do detest wibbles that winge 'directory
listing denied' at you if you chop off the last part of a path to try to
get somewhere more general: if they want to guide where you go FFS put a
page there that helps you do that.

-- 
John Stumbles

Question Authority

Steve Firth coughed up some electrons that declared:

> Tim S  wrote:
> 
>> Steve Firth coughed up some electrons that declared:
>> 
>> > Andrew Gabriel  wrote:
>> > 
>> >> > And your site security sucks.
>> >> 
>> >> I don't think I care, but in what way? Because you can browse the
>> >> directory?
>> > 
>> > Yes. Generally not a good idea.
>> 
>> I disagree.
> 
> You're allowed to be wrong.

Steve - your hatter called; says he's run out of material

>> Readable *scripts* would be more generally a bad idea, but I
>> fail to see how browsing a web directory is bad in the *general case*
>> (specific cases may warrent it).
> 
> It's not a good principle in general to allow people to see any
> documents other than the ones that you actually want them to see.

Depends if you're in the habit of leaving sensitive junk lying around. I
don't. I do my security at directory level (much easier to drop a .htaccess
into a sensitive directory, or a directory whose main purpose is to have
server-executable content.)

Cheers

Tim

Tim S  wrote:

> Steve - your hatter called; says he's run out of material

<Hansen>

Ah, insult, excellent.

</Hansen>

Tim S wrote:
> Steve Firth coughed up some electrons that declared:
> 
>> Tim S  wrote:
>>
>>> Steve Firth coughed up some electrons that declared:
>>>
>>>> Andrew Gabriel  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> And your site security sucks.
>>>>> I don't think I care, but in what way? Because you can browse the
>>>>> directory?
>>>> Yes. Generally not a good idea.
>>> I disagree.
>> You're allowed to be wrong.
> 
> Steve - your hatter called; says he's run out of material
> 
>>> Readable *scripts* would be more generally a bad idea, but I
>>> fail to see how browsing a web directory is bad in the *general case*
>>> (specific cases may warrent it).
>> It's not a good principle in general to allow people to see any
>> documents other than the ones that you actually want them to see.
> 
> Depends if you're in the habit of leaving sensitive junk lying around. I
> don't. I do my security at directory level (much easier to drop a .htaccess
> into a sensitive directory, or a directory whose main purpose is to have
> server-executable content.)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Tim
In  my case its all executables.  There are no html files, and no pages 
and no images.

they live tucked up snug in a database.