So what's the best alternative to original Creosote like me Dad used to use?

Just had a load of fence posts/panells replaced and would like to giv'em
a good start in life.
Can't stand that "paint" that everyone uses which flakes off.
Something thin and dark that will soak right in and do the trick.

Best recommendations please.
:¬)

Cheers
Pete
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"www.GymRatZ.co.uk" <0845.86.86.888@GymRatZ.Gym.Equipment> wrote in message 
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> So what's the best alternative to original Creosote like me Dad used to 
> use?
>
> Just had a load of fence posts/panells replaced and would like to giv'em
> a good start in life.
> Can't stand that "paint" that everyone uses which flakes off.
> Something thin and dark that will soak right in and do the trick.
>
> Best recommendations please.
> :¬)

Old engine oil used to do the trick. Probably still would but modern cars 
are so efficient that you rarely see it :-(

Mary

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:59:01 +0100, "www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
<0845.86.86.888@GymRatZ.Gym.Equipment> wrote:

>So what's the best alternative to original Creosote like me Dad used to use?
>
>Just had a load of fence posts/panells replaced and would like to giv'em
>a good start in life.
>Can't stand that "paint" that everyone uses which flakes off.
>Something thin and dark that will soak right in and do the trick.
>
>Best recommendations please.
>:¬)
>
>Cheers
>Pete
It's still possibe to find the good old fashioned creosote. Try a
smaller hardware or diy type shop rather than the sheds.
David

On 26 Aug, 12:17, DavidM  wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:59:01 퍝, "www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
>
> <0845.86.86....@GymRatZ.Gym.Equipment> wrote:
> >So what's the best alternative to original Creosote like me Dad used to use?
>
> >Just had a load of fence posts/panells replaced and would like to giv'em
> >a good start in life.
> >Can't stand that "paint" that everyone uses which flakes off.
> >Something thin and dark that will soak right in and do the trick.
>
> >Best recommendations please.
> >:¬)
>
> >Cheers
> >Pete
>
> It's still possibe to find the good old fashioned creosote. Try a
> smaller hardware or diy type shop rather than the sheds.
> David

Dear All
I refer you to my comments on the Fence treatment post

"If it is true that a vendor is selling creosote both vendor and user
place themselves
at risk of prosecution - ok the risk is low but it is there and in
reality the s*** is only likely to hit the fan if there is some form
of accident
or someone "complains" (nosy next door neighbours abound!).

Note
The approval for advertisement and sale of amateur products by the
company that holds the approval for creosote/coal tar creosote
products under the Control of Pesticides Regulations, or their agents
expired on 28 February 2003. As such, any approval holder or their
agent currently advertising or selling amateur products may be liable
to prosecution. Enforcement will be carried out by HSE, local
authority Environmental Health Officers or local authority Trading
Standards Officers. Prosecutions may be brought under the Food and
Environment Protection Act 1985.


read it all up on
http://www.hse.gov.uk/biocides/copr/creosote.htm


If you do have access to real creosote (as opposed to a store that is
conning you that what they are selling is the real thing when it is
not) then I would recommend good gloves and skin protection and would
not wash the brushes down the drain!


Chris G

In article ,
	DavidM  writes:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:59:01 +0100, "www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
> <0845.86.86.888@GymRatZ.Gym.Equipment> wrote:
> 
>>So what's the best alternative to original Creosote like me Dad used to use?
>>
>>Just had a load of fence posts/panells replaced and would like to giv'em
>>a good start in life.
>>Can't stand that "paint" that everyone uses which flakes off.
>>Something thin and dark that will soak right in and do the trick.
>>
>>Best recommendations please.
>>:¬)
>>
>>Cheers
>>Pete
> It's still possibe to find the good old fashioned creosote. Try a
> smaller hardware or diy type shop rather than the sheds.

It's only supposed to be available to professionals and only
in large drums (to dissaude DIY). There is a Creosote substitute
available to the public.

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
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"www.GymRatZ.co.uk" <0845.86.86.888@GymRatZ.Gym.Equipment> wrote in message 
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> So what's the best alternative to original Creosote like me Dad used to 
> use?

Almost anything, brushing creosote on fencing just colours it for a bit.
If you want it to last buy pressure treated wood or concrete for the posts 
and something thin enough to dry out for the panels.
Should last 20+ years.


Creosote just didn't work if home applied and its a cancargenic substance 
(as is used engine oil BTW).

mail@atics.co.uk wrote:
> On 26 Aug, 12:17, DavidM  wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:59:01 +0100, "www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
>>
>> <0845.86.86....@GymRatZ.Gym.Equipment> wrote:
>>> So what's the best alternative to original Creosote like me Dad used to use?
>>> Just had a load of fence posts/panells replaced and would like to giv'em
>>> a good start in life.
>>> Can't stand that "paint" that everyone uses which flakes off.
>>> Something thin and dark that will soak right in and do the trick.
>>> Best recommendations please.
>>> :¬)
>>> Cheers
>>> Pete
>> It's still possibe to find the good old fashioned creosote. Try a
>> smaller hardware or diy type shop rather than the sheds.
>> David
> 
> Dear All
> I refer you to my comments on the Fence treatment post
> 
> "If it is true that a vendor is selling creosote both vendor and user
> place themselves
> at risk of prosecution - ok the risk is low but it is there and in
> reality the s*** is only likely to hit the fan if there is some form
> of accident
> or someone "complains" (nosy next door neighbours abound!).
> 
> Note
> The approval for advertisement and sale of amateur products by the
> company that holds the approval for creosote/coal tar creosote
> products under the Control of Pesticides Regulations, or their agents
> expired on 28 February 2003. As such, any approval holder or their
> agent currently advertising or selling amateur products may be liable
> to prosecution. Enforcement will be carried out by HSE, local
> authority Environmental Health Officers or local authority Trading
> Standards Officers. Prosecutions may be brought under the Food and
> Environment Protection Act 1985.
> 
> 
> read it all up on
> http://www.hse.gov.uk/biocides/copr/creosote.htm
> 
> 
> If you do have access to real creosote (as opposed to a store that is
> conning you that what they are selling is the real thing when it is
> not) then I would recommend good gloves and skin protection and would
> not wash the brushes down the drain!
> 
> 
> Chris G
> 
> 
Odd wording - isn't it the sale of "professional products to amateurs"? 
- which does not come to my mind from the phrase "sale of amateur products".

-- 
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> On 26 Aug, 12:17, DavidM  wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:59:01 +0100, "www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
>>
>> <0845.86.86....@GymRatZ.Gym.Equipment> wrote:
>> >So what's the best alternative to original Creosote like me Dad used to 
>> >use?
>>
>> >Just had a load of fence posts/panells replaced and would like to giv'em
>> >a good start in life.
>> >Can't stand that "paint" that everyone uses which flakes off.
>> >Something thin and dark that will soak right in and do the trick.
>>
>> >Best recommendations please.
>> >:¬)
>>
>> >Cheers
>> >Pete
>>
>> It's still possibe to find the good old fashioned creosote. Try a
>> smaller hardware or diy type shop rather than the sheds.
>> David
>
> Dear All
> I refer you to my comments on the Fence treatment post
>
> "If it is true that a vendor is selling creosote both vendor and user
> place themselves
> at risk of prosecution - ok the risk is low but it is there and in
> reality the s*** is only likely to hit the fan if there is some form
> of accident
> or someone "complains" (nosy next door neighbours abound!).

I *would* complain, I hate the smell of creosote!

wrote:

> read it all up on


http://www.nannystate.gov.uk/ooh/scary/scary/scary/creosote.htm

On Aug 26, 11:59 am, "www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
<0845.86.86....@GymRatZ.Gym.Equipment> wrote:
> So what's the best alternative to original Creosote like me Dad used to use?
>
> Just had a load of fence posts/panells replaced and would like to giv'em
> a good start in life.
> Can't stand that "paint" that everyone uses which flakes off.
> Something thin and dark that will soak right in and do the trick.
>
> Best recommendations please.

What sort of panels? Eg featherboard, waney lap...

Are the posts now in the ground?

cheers,
Pete

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> So what's the best alternative to original Creosote like me Dad used to 
> use?
>
> Just had a load of fence posts/panells replaced and would like to giv'em
> a good start in life.
> Can't stand that "paint" that everyone uses which flakes off.
> Something thin and dark that will soak right in and do the trick.
>
> Best recommendations please.
> :¬)
>
> Cheers
> Pete
> -- 
> http://www.GymRatZ.co.uk - Fitness+Gym Equipment.
> http://www.bodysolid-gym-equipment.co.uk
> http://www.trade-price-supplements.co.uk
> http://www.water-rower.co.uk

"real" creosote is spirit based stuff and AFAIK the health concerns relate 
to the volatile compounds therein.

"substitute" creosote seems to be oil based, and IMO is probably more 
offensive smelling than the real stuff, and does not penetrate/soak in as 
well.  The biggest pain however is the oilyness of it.  As soon as your 
brush handle gets wet, it becomes impossible to hold.  I would only use this 
with a spray applicator in the future.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:42:46 -0700 (PDT), mail@atics.co.uk wrote:

>read it all up on
>http://www.hse.gov.uk/biocides/copr/creosote.htm

What, precisely, is 'amateur creosote'?

How do you define 'the general public'?

-- 
Frank Erskine

Pete C ukdiy wrote:

> What sort of panels? Eg featherboard, waney lap...
> 
> Are the posts now in the ground?

Just googled some images...
Waney Lap it would seem.  Currently treated with something making it a
light orange colour.

Posts are concrete and in the ground, pannels in place.

I was considering old engine oil as Mary suggested as it's something
else my dad used to use in the absence of creosote.
Got 13  x 6' x 6'  pannels to do.

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>
>
> Pete C ukdiy wrote:
>
>> What sort of panels? Eg featherboard, waney lap...
>>
>> Are the posts now in the ground?
>
> Just googled some images...
> Waney Lap it would seem.  Currently treated with something making it a
> light orange colour.
>
> Posts are concrete and in the ground, pannels in place.
>
> I was considering old engine oil as Mary suggested as it's something
> else my dad used to use in the absence of creosote.
> Got 13  x 6' x 6'  pannels to do.

Leave them alone then, no treatment should be needed if they aren't in 
contact with the ground.

You can dye them with a water based treatment, if you don't like the colour, 
but probably not for a couple of months as they are probably water repellent 
ATM.

Mine have never seen creosote or engine oil and are 29 years old now.

On Aug 26, 3:50 pm, "www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
> I was considering old engine oil as Mary suggested as it's something
> else my dad used to use in the absence of creosote.
> Got 13  x 6' x 6'  pannels to do.

Don't use engine oil as it contains detergents and some will wash off
into the soil.

A coat of wax based biocidal fence treatment now and then may help,
especially if there's vegetation growing alongside the fence.

I'd also keep an eye on the ends of the 'rails' at the edges as this
is where rot usually starts.

If they do soften I'd wait for a long spell of dry weather, pop each
panel out and dip each corner in 5 star wood treatment.

cheers,
Pete.

Pete C ukdiy wrote:

> Don't use engine oil as it contains detergents and some will wash off
> into the soil.
> 
> A coat of wax based biocidal fence treatment now and then may help,
> especially if there's vegetation growing alongside the fence.
> 
> I'd also keep an eye on the ends of the 'rails' at the edges as this
> is where rot usually starts.
> 
> If they do soften I'd wait for a long spell of dry weather, pop each
> panel out and dip each corner in 5 star wood treatment.

Thanks Pete & Everyone.
The chap who did the fence said that wood today isn't anything like the
wood used for panels of yester year and anual protection was recommended
to give 'em a good chance of long term survival.

Cheers
Pete

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Vortex2 wrote:

> "real" creosote is spirit based stuff and AFAIK the health concerns relate 
> to the volatile compounds therein.
> 
> "substitute" creosote seems to be oil based, and IMO is probably more 
> offensive smelling than the real stuff, and does not penetrate/soak in as 
> well.  The biggest pain however is the oilyness of it.  As soon as your 
> brush handle gets wet, it becomes impossible to hold.  I would only use this 
> with a spray applicator in the future.

Thanks Vortex.
Looking at the weather I don't think I'll have much chance of doing
anything 'till next year now anyway.

Cheers
Pete
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"
> So what's the best alternative to original Creosote like me Dad used to 
> use?
>
> Just had a load of fence posts/panells replaced and would like to giv'em
> a good start in life.
> Can't stand that "paint" that everyone uses which flakes off.
> Something thin and dark that will soak right in and do the trick.
>
> Best recommendations please.
> :¬)
> Cheers
> Pete

I used to use creosote in the old days, when it was available. I used to mix 
it with a tar paint I think it was called Presomet, don't know if that's 
still available either., However, I used to paint my barge boards with it, 
and it produced a very dark matt finish which I thought was quite 
attractive.
I would guess that  Presomet mixed with Diesel or paraffin might have the 
same effect and probably would inhibit the growth of moulds in the timber. 
Don't know how toxic it is ? I used creosote regularly for most of my grown 
up life taking reasonable precautions of course,(am now 70) without any 
apparent effects.
Don