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date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:56:17 -0700 (PDT),    group: uk.d-i-y        back       
Shower Problems - High Pitched noise, Fishy smell   
We have two problems that I believe are the shower:

Firstly, on certain positions of the temperature control (from cold to
hot), it makes a very high pitched noise unless moved to another
position - this noise is enough to wake other people.  Any Ideas?

Secondly there has been a strange fishy smell in the bathroom -
noticed only ever after showering.  Nothing appears to be the source
and it disappears after minutes.  After reading some other posts I
believe this could be burning plastic?   We recently had a rewire that
didn't include the shower (it was fairly new), I need to test if this
is the shower unit itsself or perhaps the light fitting.  I don't
believe it's the water as after bathing the problem is not there.
Sometimes the smell is light other times it's too much to bare.

(We've had the service people out 5 times now to this Mira shower over
3 years to fix things)
date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:56:17 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Shower Problems - High Pitched noise, Fishy smell   
wrote in message 
news:a4648df4-cca6-4dc6-9515-d343839f89ab@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> We have two problems that I believe are the shower:
>
> Secondly there has been a strange fishy smell in the bathroom -
> noticed only ever after showering.  Nothing appears to be the source
> and it disappears after minutes.  After reading some other posts I
> believe this could be burning plastic?   We recently had a rewire that
> didn't include the shower (it was fairly new), I need to test if this
> is the shower unit itsself or perhaps the light fitting.  I don't
> believe it's the water as after bathing the problem is not there.
> Sometimes the smell is light other times it's too much to bare.

Just back from a holiday cottage where every time we put on the shower* a 
fishy smell came from the electrical unit that was housed in one of the 
bedrooms and also housed the switch for the shower.

There was no smell from the shower / bathroom at all. I'm not sure if it was 
the cable or switch but why don't you remove the cover from your switch and 
use the shower and see if you can replicate the problem.

*tended to only happen when the shower was on for over ten  minutes or so.


Steven.
date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:39:34 +0100   author:   Steven Campbell

Re: Shower Problems - High Pitched noise, Fishy smell   
Steven Campbell wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:a4648df4-cca6-4dc6-9515-d343839f89ab@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> We have two problems that I believe are the shower:
>>
>> Secondly there has been a strange fishy smell in the bathroom -
>> noticed only ever after showering.  Nothing appears to be the source
>> and it disappears after minutes.  After reading some other posts I
>> believe this could be burning plastic?   We recently had a rewire that
>> didn't include the shower (it was fairly new), I need to test if this
>> is the shower unit itsself or perhaps the light fitting.  I don't
>> believe it's the water as after bathing the problem is not there.
>> Sometimes the smell is light other times it's too much to bare.
> 
> Just back from a holiday cottage where every time we put on the shower* a 
> fishy smell came from the electrical unit that was housed in one of the 
> bedrooms and also housed the switch for the shower.
> 
> There was no smell from the shower / bathroom at all. I'm not sure if it was 
> the cable or switch but why don't you remove the cover from your switch and 
> use the shower and see if you can replicate the problem.
> 
> *tended to only happen when the shower was on for over ten  minutes or so.
> 
> 
> Steven. 
> 
> 
Hot bakelite smells fishy so suspect a poor electrical connection 
leading to heating. If you have re-wirable fuses they could be heating 
up too.

Bob
date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:28:57 +0100   author:   Bob Minchin

Re: Shower Problems - High Pitched noise, Fishy smell   
swnshp@gmail.com wrote:
> We have two problems that I believe are the shower:
> 
> Firstly, on certain positions of the temperature control (from cold to
> hot), it makes a very high pitched noise unless moved to another
> position - this noise is enough to wake other people.  Any Ideas?

The whistle is probably just the result of high water pressure causing a 
type of water hammer. Ordinary shower valves can do it as well.

> Secondly there has been a strange fishy smell in the bathroom -
> noticed only ever after showering.  Nothing appears to be the source

Sounds like you need to check connections in the shower, and at its 
switch. Probably something getting hot at a loose screw terminal.

-- 
Cheers,

John.

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date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:46:43 +0100   author:   John Rumm

Re: Shower Problems - High Pitched noise, Fishy smell   
On Aug 10, 2:28 pm, Bob Minchin  wrote:
> Steven Campbell wrote:
> >  wrote in message
> >news:a4648df4-cca6-4dc6-9515-d343839f89ab@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> >> We have two problems that I believe are the shower:
>
> >> Secondly there has been a strange fishy smell in the bathroom -
> >> noticed only ever after showering.  Nothing appears to be the source
> >> and it disappears after minutes.  After reading some other posts I
> >> believe this could be burning plastic?   We recently had a rewire that
> >> didn't include the shower (it was fairly new), I need to test if this
> >> is the shower unit itsself or perhaps the light fitting.  I don't
> >> believe it's the water as after bathing the problem is not there.
> >> Sometimes the smell is light other times it's too much to bare.
>
> > Just back from a holiday cottage where every time we put on the shower* a
> > fishy smell came from the electrical unit that was housed in one of the
> > bedrooms and also housed the switch for the shower.
>
> > There was no smell from the shower / bathroom at all. I'm not sure if it was
> > the cable or switch but why don't you remove the cover from your switch and
> > use the shower and see if you can replicate the problem.
>
> > *tended to only happen when the shower was on for over ten  minutes or so.
>
> > Steven.
>
> Hot bakelite smells fishy so suspect a poor electrical connection
> leading to heating. If you have re-wirable fuses they could be heating
> up too.
>
> Bob

Overheating of electrical parts in the shower. Which sounds to me like
a Really Bad Idea. I wouldnt be using it again till fixed.


NT
date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:48:52 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Shower Problems - High Pitched noise, Fishy smell   
> > Secondly there has been a strangefishysmell in the bathroom -
> > noticed only ever after showering.  Nothing appears to be the source
>
> Sounds like you need to check connections in theshower, and at its
> switch. Probably something getting hot at a loose screw terminal.

The wire and the terminal for the live to the load has burnt out
completely inside the switch.

I'm going to try and strip back the wire but there isn't a great deal
of slack, so it may be a job for an electrician.  Any idea what this
kind of job entails, and the cost?  I guess they have to install a
whole new length of wire from fuse box to the shower?  This might not
be so bad, it's quite straight and all external to the walls.
date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:16:24 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Shower Problems - High Pitched noise, Fishy smell   
wrote in message 
news:d7dc292a-e87a-4891-9134-28db96edbbd2@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
> > Secondly there has been a strangefishysmell in the bathroom -
> > noticed only ever after showering. Nothing appears to be the source
>
> Sounds like you need to check connections in theshower, and at its
> switch. Probably something getting hot at a loose screw terminal.

The wire and the terminal for the live to the load has burnt out
completely inside the switch.

I'm going to try and strip back the wire but there isn't a great deal
of slack, so it may be a job for an electrician.  Any idea what this
kind of job entails, and the cost?  I guess they have to install a
whole new length of wire from fuse box to the shower?  This might not
be so bad, it's quite straight and all external to the walls.

It could have been caused by the terminals being loose - or a poor or 
underrated switch. The copper wire would conduct the heat away from the 
source and damage itself. The switch will need replacing as well as the 
wire.
date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:36:03 +0100   author:   John

Re: Shower Problems - High Pitched noise, Fishy smell   
swnshp@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Secondly there has been a strangefishysmell in the bathroom -
>>> noticed only ever after showering.  Nothing appears to be the source
>> Sounds like you need to check connections in theshower, and at its
>> switch. Probably something getting hot at a loose screw terminal.
> 
> The wire and the terminal for the live to the load has burnt out
> completely inside the switch.
> 
> I'm going to try and strip back the wire but there isn't a great deal
> of slack, so it may be a job for an electrician.  Any idea what this
> kind of job entails, and the cost?  I guess they have to install a
> whole new length of wire from fuse box to the shower?  This might not
> be so bad, it's quite straight and all external to the walls.

It will need a section of cable replaced at least, and a new switch.



-- 
Cheers,

John.

/=================================================================\
|          Internode Ltd -  http://www.internode.co.uk            |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
|        John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk              |
\=================================================================/
date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:19:04 +0100   author:   John Rumm

Re: Shower Problems - High Pitched noise, Fishy smell   
On Aug 23, 9:19 pm, John Rumm  wrote:
> swn...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Secondly there has been a strangefishysmell in the bathroom -
> >>> noticed only ever after showering.  Nothing appears to be the source
> >> Sounds like you need to check connections in theshower, and at its
> >> switch. Probably something getting hot at a loose screw terminal.
>
> > The wire and the terminal for the live to the load has burnt out
> > completely inside the switch.
>
> > I'm going to try and strip back the wire but there isn't a great deal
> > of slack, so it may be a job for an electrician.  Any idea what this
> > kind of job entails, and the cost?  I guess they have to install a
> > whole new length of wire from fuse box to the shower?  This might not
> > be so bad, it's quite straight and all external to the walls.
>
> It will need a section of cable replaced at least, and a new switch.

Its simple enough to fit a bit more cable to the end of the existing
one, once any damaged cable is cut back. If the cable end is inside
the switch box, a screw connector strip can be used to join, if
instead the cable ends otside the box you'd just use a junction box to
join old to new.


NT
date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:56:08 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

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