Hi,

Just a quick question as I have never climbed high enough to find out
for myself: how secure well do gutter clips clip the gutter? I would
have thought they would hold it tight enough to keep the gutter in
place when its windy but OTOH shouldn't there be enough slack to allow
the gutter to expand/contract in the heat?

My gutter is beyond repair and I wondered how easy it would be to
unclip it once I'm up there. Can I be lazy and use the old clips if
the gutter is the same design as before? I was hoping to minimise my
time at that height! I was wondering whether I could just slide the
new gutter into place but somehow I doubt it will be that easy.

Thanks.

"Sam"  wrote in message 
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> Hi,
>
> Just a quick question as I have never climbed high enough to find out
> for myself: how secure well do gutter clips clip the gutter? I would
> have thought they would hold it tight enough to keep the gutter in
> place when its windy but OTOH shouldn't there be enough slack to allow
> the gutter to expand/contract in the heat?
>
> My gutter is beyond repair and I wondered how easy it would be to
> unclip it once I'm up there. Can I be lazy and use the old clips if
> the gutter is the same design as before? I was hoping to minimise my
> time at that height! I was wondering whether I could just slide the
> new gutter into place but somehow I doubt it will be that easy.
>

Plastic? If so just rip it down and put new up.
If its metal it may be worth fixing/reusing.
Plastic tends to go brittle after a while.
> Thanks.

Sam wrote:
> Just a quick question as I have never climbed high enough to find out
> for myself: how secure well do gutter clips clip the gutter? I would
> have thought they would hold it tight enough to keep the gutter in
> place when its windy but OTOH shouldn't there be enough slack to allow
> the gutter to expand/contract in the heat?

Wind blows gutters up/down.

Heat expansion is along the gutter.

> My gutter is beyond repair and I wondered how easy it would be to
> unclip it once I'm up there. Can I be lazy and use the old clips if
> the gutter is the same design as before? I was hoping to minimise my
> time at that height! I was wondering whether I could just slide the
> new gutter into place but somehow I doubt it will be that easy.

If it's plastic it should probably click in with moderate values of 
brute force. If it's cast iron / steel / aluminium then it will probably 
be screwed together.

Owain

Owain wrote:
> Sam wrote:
>> Just a quick question as I have never climbed high enough to find out
>> for myself: how secure well do gutter clips clip the gutter? I would
>> have thought they would hold it tight enough to keep the gutter in
>> place when its windy but OTOH shouldn't there be enough slack to allow
>> the gutter to expand/contract in the heat?
> 
> Wind blows gutters up/down.
> 
> Heat expansion is along the gutter.
> 
>> My gutter is beyond repair and I wondered how easy it would be to
>> unclip it once I'm up there. Can I be lazy and use the old clips if
>> the gutter is the same design as before? I was hoping to minimise my
>> time at that height! I was wondering whether I could just slide the
>> new gutter into place but somehow I doubt it will be that easy.
> 
> If it's plastic it should probably click in with moderate values of 
> brute force.
after you have replaced all the broken clip/brackets if the gutter has 
had it as it was possibly installed at the same time the clips are 
probably in the same state

-- 
Kevin R
Reply address works

"Sam"  wrote in message
news:d4am94d3csjoiqrhj1kgn3gkuh889kfogq@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> Just a quick question as I have never climbed high enough to find out
> for myself: how secure well do gutter clips clip the gutter? I would
> have thought they would hold it tight enough to keep the gutter in
> place when its windy but OTOH shouldn't there be enough slack to allow
> the gutter to expand/contract in the heat?
>
> My gutter is beyond repair and I wondered how easy it would be to
> unclip it once I'm up there. Can I be lazy and use the old clips if
> the gutter is the same design as before? I was hoping to minimise my
> time at that height! I was wondering whether I could just slide the
> new gutter into place but somehow I doubt it will be that easy.
>
> Thanks.

I found clipping and unclipping plastic guttering at the top of a ladder
quite tricky. It's really a 2-hand job, and the roof tiles sometimes get in
the way. There's probably a knack to it which I haven't learned. It's much
easier when done from a scaffold tower.

Plastic clips are very cheap so best to replace them if they're suspect. I
recommend fitting the new clips with fairly chunky stainless steel screws.
The old clips on my house were fitted with tiny mild-steel screws that had
almost completely rusted away.

In article <489b35c9$0$722$bed64819@news.gradwell.net>,
	"Simon"  writes:
> I found clipping and unclipping plastic guttering at the top of a ladder
> quite tricky. It's really a 2-hand job, and the roof tiles sometimes get in
> the way. There's probably a knack to it which I haven't learned. It's much
> easier when done from a scaffold tower.

I would strongly suggest a ladder stand-off, although if you 
have a really large facia overhang, that might not be enough.

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Kevin wrote:
> Owain wrote:
>> Sam wrote:
>>> Just a quick question as I have never climbed high enough to find out
>>> for myself: how secure well do gutter clips clip the gutter? I would
>>> have thought they would hold it tight enough to keep the gutter in
>>> place when its windy but OTOH shouldn't there be enough slack to allow
>>> the gutter to expand/contract in the heat?
>>
>> Wind blows gutters up/down.
>>
>> Heat expansion is along the gutter.
>>
>>> My gutter is beyond repair and I wondered how easy it would be to
>>> unclip it once I'm up there. Can I be lazy and use the old clips if
>>> the gutter is the same design as before? I was hoping to minimise my
>>> time at that height! I was wondering whether I could just slide the
>>> new gutter into place but somehow I doubt it will be that easy.
>>
>> If it's plastic it should probably click in with moderate values of 
>> brute force.
> after you have replaced all the broken clip/brackets if the gutter has 
> had it as it was possibly installed at the same time the clips are 
> probably in the same state
> 
 >
just read my reply and what a load of gibberish
after you have replaced all the broken clip/brackets that is,as gutter 
was possibly installed at the same time the clips they
probably in the same state

-- 
Kevin R
Reply address works

"Sam"  wrote in message 
news:d4am94d3csjoiqrhj1kgn3gkuh889kfogq@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> Just a quick question as I have never climbed high enough to find out
> for myself: how secure well do gutter clips clip the gutter? I would
> have thought they would hold it tight enough to keep the gutter in
> place when its windy but OTOH shouldn't there be enough slack to allow
> the gutter to expand/contract in the heat?
>
> My gutter is beyond repair and I wondered how easy it would be to
> unclip it once I'm up there. Can I be lazy and use the old clips if
> the gutter is the same design as before? I was hoping to minimise my
> time at that height! I was wondering whether I could just slide the
> new gutter into place but somehow I doubt it will be that easy.
>
> Thanks.

Here's a good tip: Blow the dust off your wallet and pay someone else to 
risk it.
I get a local builder to do my roofwork, no way would I do it for what he 
charges.

It isn't the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop. Seriously, a chap at 
work was up a ladder just painting, off he fell and died.

fred wrote:
> "Sam"  wrote in message
> news:d4am94d3csjoiqrhj1kgn3gkuh889kfogq@4ax.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just a quick question as I have never climbed high enough to find out
>> for myself: how secure well do gutter clips clip the gutter? I would
>> have thought they would hold it tight enough to keep the gutter in
>> place when its windy but OTOH shouldn't there be enough slack to
>> allow the gutter to expand/contract in the heat?
>>
>> My gutter is beyond repair and I wondered how easy it would be to
>> unclip it once I'm up there. Can I be lazy and use the old clips if
>> the gutter is the same design as before? I was hoping to minimise my
>> time at that height! I was wondering whether I could just slide the
>> new gutter into place but somehow I doubt it will be that easy.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> Here's a good tip: Blow the dust off your wallet and pay someone else
> to risk it.
> I get a local builder to do my roofwork, no way would I do it for
> what he charges.
>
> It isn't the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop. Seriously, a
> chap at work was up a ladder just painting, off he fell and died.

Really - and your point is?

As a matter of interest, what caused the aforesaid "chap" to fall off his 
ladder?

Was it:

1    Overstretching
2    Ladder at too steep an angle
3    Ladder slipped across the wall
4    Ladder used on an uneven surface
5    Ladder used on a slope
6    Ladder used in high winds
7    Incompetence
8    Inexperience
9    Heart attack
10  Other - as applicable

Tell us please which one it was.... and I have deliberately left out the - 
Ladder not tied - as that would come under the heading of Incompetence.

i agree - one more little tug on the gutter and off you go-
i have a safety rope off the chimney but i really dont know how to use 
it...
and what if you paralyse yourself - is that worse?
half of DIY accidents are falls-
the pain in my back reminds me how lucky i was...


>> Thanks.
>
> Here's a good tip: Blow the dust off your wallet and pay someone else to 
> risk it.
> I get a local builder to do my roofwork, no way would I do it for what he 
> charges.
>
> It isn't the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop. Seriously, a chap 
> at work was up a ladder just painting, off he fell and died.
>
>

fred  wrote in message
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>
> "Sam"  wrote in message
> news:d4am94d3csjoiqrhj1kgn3gkuh889kfogq@4ax.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just a quick question as I have never climbed high enough to find out
> > for myself:

Then new is not the best time in your life to start..

>
> Here's a good tip: Blow the dust off your wallet and pay someone else to
> risk it.
> I get a local builder to do my roofwork, no way would I do it for what he
> charges.
>
> It isn't the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop. Seriously, a chap
at
> work was up a ladder just painting, off he fell and died.

Very Very good advice


-

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article <489b35c9$0$722$bed64819@news.gradwell.net>,
> "Simon"  writes:
>> I found clipping and unclipping plastic guttering at the top of a
>> ladder quite tricky. It's really a 2-hand job, and the roof tiles
>> sometimes get in the way. There's probably a knack to it which I
>> haven't learned. It's much easier when done from a scaffold tower.
>
> I would strongly suggest a ladder stand-off, although if you
> have a really large facia overhang, that might not be enough.

Don't even attempt the job without a ladder standoff.  Much safer, much 
better stability, less risk of ladder sliding sideways.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"Unbeliever" <cb@.....tts.com> wrote in message 
news:g7fjck$v3l$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> fred wrote:
>> "Sam"  wrote in message
>> news:d4am94d3csjoiqrhj1kgn3gkuh889kfogq@4ax.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just a quick question as I have never climbed high enough to find out
>>> for myself: how secure well do gutter clips clip the gutter? I would
>>> have thought they would hold it tight enough to keep the gutter in
>>> place when its windy but OTOH shouldn't there be enough slack to
>>> allow the gutter to expand/contract in the heat?
>>>
>>> My gutter is beyond repair and I wondered how easy it would be to
>>> unclip it once I'm up there. Can I be lazy and use the old clips if
>>> the gutter is the same design as before? I was hoping to minimise my
>>> time at that height! I was wondering whether I could just slide the
>>> new gutter into place but somehow I doubt it will be that easy.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> Here's a good tip: Blow the dust off your wallet and pay someone else
>> to risk it.
>> I get a local builder to do my roofwork, no way would I do it for
>> what he charges.
>>
>> It isn't the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop. Seriously, a
>> chap at work was up a ladder just painting, off he fell and died.
>
> Really - and your point is?
>
> As a matter of interest, what caused the aforesaid "chap" to fall off his 
> ladder?
>
> Was it:
>
> 1    Overstretching
> 2    Ladder at too steep an angle
> 3    Ladder slipped across the wall
> 4    Ladder used on an uneven surface
> 5    Ladder used on a slope
> 6    Ladder used in high winds
> 7    Incompetence
> 8    Inexperience
> 9    Heart attack
> 10  Other - as applicable
>
> Tell us please which one it was.... and I have deliberately left out the - 
> Ladder not tied - as that would come under the heading of Incompetence.

Immaterial really, accidents easily happen, the chap died.
I'll bet he wishes he'd used his wallet.

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:55:05 +0100, Kevin 
wrote:

>just read my reply and what a load of gibberish
>after you have replaced all the broken clip/brackets that is,as gutter 
>was possibly installed at the same time the clips they
>probably in the same state

Thanks. Don't worry your first reply made sense. I have phoned a few
people to ask them for quotes but no-one seems interested in such
small work. If I do DIY then I would hire a scaffold tower as I agree
ladders could be dangerous. Do recommended any hire places?

Sam wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:55:05 +0100, Kevin 
> wrote:
> 
>> just read my reply and what a load of gibberish
>> after you have replaced all the broken clip/brackets that is,as gutter 
>> was possibly installed at the same time the clips they
>> probably in the same state
> 
> Thanks. Don't worry your first reply made sense. I have phoned a few
> people to ask them for quotes but no-one seems interested in such
> small work. If I do DIY then I would hire a scaffold tower as I agree
> ladders could be dangerous. Do recommended any hire places?

Have you tried the sort of companies that do fascias, soffits etc? We 
have a few, and they're not that expensive.
I wouldn't hesitate to do gutters off a ladder in a 2 story house but 
the bits you buy never seem to fit what's up there, and it ends up a lot 
of faffing around.

"stuart noble"  wrote in message 
news:GSUmk.126494$Lw1.112253@newsfe29.ams2...
> Sam wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:55:05 +0100, Kevin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> just read my reply and what a load of gibberish
>>> after you have replaced all the broken clip/brackets that is,as gutter 
>>> was possibly installed at the same time the clips they
>>> probably in the same state
>>
>> Thanks. Don't worry your first reply made sense. I have phoned a few
>> people to ask them for quotes but no-one seems interested in such
>> small work. If I do DIY then I would hire a scaffold tower as I agree
>> ladders could be dangerous. Do recommended any hire places?
>
> Have you tried the sort of companies that do fascias, soffits etc? We have 
> a few, and they're not that expensive.

Me and my neighbor had our fascias and soffits done together, only cost £250 
each including new gutters.

Its worth asking the neighbors if they want it done and trying to get a 
discount.

Its quite easy to push a tower around to next door and that saves a lot of 
assembly time.

> I wouldn't hesitate to do gutters off a ladder in a 2 story house but the 
> bits you buy never seem to fit what's up there, and it ends up a lot of 
> faffing around.

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article <489b35c9$0$722$bed64819@news.gradwell.net>,
> 	"Simon"  writes:
>> I found clipping and unclipping plastic guttering at the top of a ladder
>> quite tricky. It's really a 2-hand job, and the roof tiles sometimes get in
>> the way. There's probably a knack to it which I haven't learned. It's much
>> easier when done from a scaffold tower.
> 
> I would strongly suggest a ladder stand-off, although if you 
> have a really large facia overhang, that might not be enough.
> 

My house is almost 20 years old, needed to change a downpipe, same 
manufacturer, but not quite the same size - does not fit.  So if you 
really want to re-use the clips check they fit before you pull the old 
ones down, and can't fit the new..........