Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for what I do. 
Not especially cheap.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0

Nice feature, it has a false base roughly as outlined by the yellow lines 
here;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l284/davidlang_photos/irwinbag.jpg

Handy for keeping the drill drivers & charger etc I thought.

After a month the sides of the base compartment collapsed & instead of 
forming a rectangle it became a parallelogram.  This made it impossible to 
get stuff in or out of the base and meant that when you put the bag down it 
falls over sideways.

Took it back to Axminster today who, to their great credit gave an immediate 
refund & spent a lot of time & trouble showing me every tool bag they have 
to sort the problem out.  Various mutterings about 'not another one' and 
'we've had loads of those back'.

So, if you were thinking of buying one, leave it until they sort the problem 
out.  Shame really, great toolbag other than that.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 2008-07-18 21:00:46 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" 
 said:

> Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for what I do.
> Not especially cheap.
> 
> http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0

Nice 
> 
> feature, it has a false base roughly as outlined by the yellow lines
> here;
> 
> http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l284/davidlang_photos/irwinbag.jpg
> 
> Handy for keeping the drill drivers & charger etc I thought.
> 
> After a month the sides of the base compartment collapsed & instead of
> forming a rectangle it became a parallelogram.  This made it impossible to
> get stuff in or out of the base and meant that when you put the bag down it
> falls over sideways.
> 
> Took it back to Axminster today who, to their great credit gave an immediate
> refund & spent a lot of time & trouble showing me every tool bag they have
> to sort the problem out.  Various mutterings about 'not another one' and
> 'we've had loads of those back'.
> 
> So, if you were thinking of buying one, leave it until they sort the problem
> out.  Shame really, great toolbag other than that.

Have a look at the Veto range if you want something of similar design 
but rather better.


Rutlands among others sell them  They have better tool organising than 
the irwin ones.

The Medway Handyman wrote:
> Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for what I
> do. Not especially cheap.
>
> http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0
>
> Nice feature, it has a false base roughly as outlined by the yellow
> lines here;
>
> http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l284/davidlang_photos/irwinbag.jpg
>
> Handy for keeping the drill drivers & charger etc I thought.
>
> After a month the sides of the base compartment collapsed & instead of
> forming a rectangle it became a parallelogram.  This made it
> impossible to get stuff in or out of the base and meant that when you
> put the bag down it falls over sideways.
>
> Took it back to Axminster today who, to their great credit gave an
> immediate refund & spent a lot of time & trouble showing me every
> tool bag they have to sort the problem out.  Various mutterings about
> 'not another one' and 'we've had loads of those back'.
>
> So, if you were thinking of buying one, leave it until they sort the
> problem out.  Shame really, great toolbag other than that.

Hello Dave,

"Have you found the trouble" (as HAL9000 said to Dave Bowman just before 
Bowman started to disable 'him' in the book 2001 A Space Odyssey [1]).

Now all these-here new fangled ideas are not always the best, and for 
longevity and ease of use - and it *never* collapses or fall over sideways - 
you really cannot better one of these things:

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Faithfull_Carpenters_Tool_Bag__6557556

Had one now for near on 45 years and its still goin' strong. LOL

[1] Sorry about that one Dave, but I have just recently finished reading all 
4 books in the series, and when I wrote the "Hello Dave" I just couldn't 
resist adding the other bits!  :-)

Tanner-'op

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:38:19 UTC, "Tanner-'op" 
<tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:

> The Medway Handyman wrote:
> > Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for what I
> > do. Not especially cheap.
> >
> > http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0
> >
> > Nice feature, it has a false base roughly as outlined by the yellow
> > lines here;
> >
> > http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l284/davidlang_photos/irwinbag.jpg
> >
> > Handy for keeping the drill drivers & charger etc I thought.
> >
> > After a month the sides of the base compartment collapsed & instead of
> > forming a rectangle it became a parallelogram.  This made it
> > impossible to get stuff in or out of the base and meant that when you
> > put the bag down it falls over sideways.
> >
> > Took it back to Axminster today who, to their great credit gave an
> > immediate refund & spent a lot of time & trouble showing me every
> > tool bag they have to sort the problem out.  Various mutterings about
> > 'not another one' and 'we've had loads of those back'.
> >
> > So, if you were thinking of buying one, leave it until they sort the
> > problem out.  Shame really, great toolbag other than that.
> 
> Hello Dave,
> 
> "Have you found the trouble" (as HAL9000 said to Dave Bowman just before 
> Bowman started to disable 'him' in the book 2001 A Space Odyssey [1]).
> 
> Now all these-here new fangled ideas are not always the best, and for 
> longevity and ease of use - and it *never* collapses or fall over sideways - 
> you really cannot better one of these things:
> 
> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Faithfull_Carpenters_Tool_Bag__6557556
> 
> Had one now for near on 45 years and its still goin' strong. LOL
> 
> [1] Sorry about that one Dave, but I have just recently finished reading all 
> 4 books in the series, and when I wrote the "Hello Dave" I just couldn't 
> resist adding the other bits!  :-)

Book, pah!

Have you read the original short story?

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Bob Eager wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:38:19 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
>
>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for what
>>> I do. Not especially cheap.
>>>
>>> http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0
>>>
>>> Nice feature, it has a false base roughly as outlined by the yellow
>>> lines here;
>>>
>>> http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l284/davidlang_photos/irwinbag.jpg
>>>
>>> Handy for keeping the drill drivers & charger etc I thought.
>>>
>>> After a month the sides of the base compartment collapsed & instead
>>> of forming a rectangle it became a parallelogram.  This made it
>>> impossible to get stuff in or out of the base and meant that when
>>> you put the bag down it falls over sideways.
>>>
>>> Took it back to Axminster today who, to their great credit gave an
>>> immediate refund & spent a lot of time & trouble showing me every
>>> tool bag they have to sort the problem out.  Various mutterings
>>> about 'not another one' and 'we've had loads of those back'.
>>>
>>> So, if you were thinking of buying one, leave it until they sort the
>>> problem out.  Shame really, great toolbag other than that.
>>
>> Hello Dave,
>>
>> "Have you found the trouble" (as HAL9000 said to Dave Bowman just
>> before Bowman started to disable 'him' in the book 2001 A Space
>> Odyssey [1]).
>>
>> Now all these-here new fangled ideas are not always the best, and for
>> longevity and ease of use - and it *never* collapses or fall over
>> sideways - you really cannot better one of these things:
>>
>> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Faithfull_Carpenters_Tool_Bag__6557556
>>
>> Had one now for near on 45 years and its still goin' strong. LOL
>>
>> [1] Sorry about that one Dave, but I have just recently finished
>> reading all 4 books in the series, and when I wrote the "Hello Dave"
>> I just couldn't resist adding the other bits!  :-)
>
> Book, pah!

Bob, a bit of a sneeze there - and I have heard of a book title called 
"pah"!

> Have you read the original short story?

Which original 'short story'?

tanner-'op

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:46:39 UTC, "Tanner-'op" 
<tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:

> Bob Eager wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:38:19 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
> > <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The Medway Handyman wrote:
> >>> Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for what
> >>> I do. Not especially cheap.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0
> >>>
> >>> Nice feature, it has a false base roughly as outlined by the yellow
> >>> lines here;
> >>>
> >>> http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l284/davidlang_photos/irwinbag.jpg
> >>>
> >>> Handy for keeping the drill drivers & charger etc I thought.
> >>>
> >>> After a month the sides of the base compartment collapsed & instead
> >>> of forming a rectangle it became a parallelogram.  This made it
> >>> impossible to get stuff in or out of the base and meant that when
> >>> you put the bag down it falls over sideways.
> >>>
> >>> Took it back to Axminster today who, to their great credit gave an
> >>> immediate refund & spent a lot of time & trouble showing me every
> >>> tool bag they have to sort the problem out.  Various mutterings
> >>> about 'not another one' and 'we've had loads of those back'.
> >>>
> >>> So, if you were thinking of buying one, leave it until they sort the
> >>> problem out.  Shame really, great toolbag other than that.
> >>
> >> Hello Dave,
> >>
> >> "Have you found the trouble" (as HAL9000 said to Dave Bowman just
> >> before Bowman started to disable 'him' in the book 2001 A Space
> >> Odyssey [1]).
> >>
> >> Now all these-here new fangled ideas are not always the best, and for
> >> longevity and ease of use - and it *never* collapses or fall over
> >> sideways - you really cannot better one of these things:
> >>
> >> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Faithfull_Carpenters_Tool_Bag__6557556
> >>
> >> Had one now for near on 45 years and its still goin' strong. LOL
> >>
> >> [1] Sorry about that one Dave, but I have just recently finished
> >> reading all 4 books in the series, and when I wrote the "Hello Dave"
> >> I just couldn't resist adding the other bits!  :-)
> >
> > Book, pah!
> 
> Bob, a bit of a sneeze there - and I have heard of a book title called 
> "pah"!
> 
> > Have you read the original short story?
> 
> Which original 'short story'?

"The Sentinel". Written in 1948...! The idea was expanded into the film.
The books you mention came later.

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Bob Eager wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:46:39 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:38:19 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
>>> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>>> Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for
>>>>> what I do. Not especially cheap.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice feature, it has a false base roughly as outlined by the
>>>>> yellow lines here;
>>>>>
>>>>> http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l284/davidlang_photos/irwinbag.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Handy for keeping the drill drivers & charger etc I thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> After a month the sides of the base compartment collapsed &
>>>>> instead of forming a rectangle it became a parallelogram.  This
>>>>> made it impossible to get stuff in or out of the base and meant
>>>>> that when you put the bag down it falls over sideways.
>>>>>
>>>>> Took it back to Axminster today who, to their great credit gave an
>>>>> immediate refund & spent a lot of time & trouble showing me every
>>>>> tool bag they have to sort the problem out.  Various mutterings
>>>>> about 'not another one' and 'we've had loads of those back'.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, if you were thinking of buying one, leave it until they sort
>>>>> the problem out.  Shame really, great toolbag other than that.
>>>>
>>>> Hello Dave,
>>>>
>>>> "Have you found the trouble" (as HAL9000 said to Dave Bowman just
>>>> before Bowman started to disable 'him' in the book 2001 A Space
>>>> Odyssey [1]).
>>>>
>>>> Now all these-here new fangled ideas are not always the best, and
>>>> for longevity and ease of use - and it *never* collapses or fall
>>>> over sideways - you really cannot better one of these things:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Faithfull_Carpenters_Tool_Bag__6557556
>>>>
>>>> Had one now for near on 45 years and its still goin' strong. LOL
>>>>
>>>> [1] Sorry about that one Dave, but I have just recently finished
>>>> reading all 4 books in the series, and when I wrote the "Hello
>>>> Dave" I just couldn't resist adding the other bits!  :-)
>>>
>>> Book, pah!
>>
>> Bob, a bit of a sneeze there - and I have heard of a book title
>> called "pah"!
>>
>>> Have you read the original short story?
>>
>> Which original 'short story'?
>
> "The Sentinel". Written in 1948...! The idea was expanded into the
> film. The books you mention came later.

Bob,

I thought that may be what you were thinking, but from Arthur C Clarke's own 
words:

 [1] ...and we had decided that one, 'The Sentinel', contained the basic 
idea on which we could build.

[2] "2001 is often said to be 'based on' 'The Sentinel', but that is a goss 
oversimplification; the two bear as much the same relationship as an acorn 
and an oak tree".

This is taken from chapter 'Back to 2001' in the book of 2001 A Space......

Tanner-'op

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:05:29 UTC, "Tanner-'op" 
<tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:

> Bob Eager wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:46:39 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
> > <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Bob Eager wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:38:19 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
> >>> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
> >>>>> Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for
> >>>>> what I do. Not especially cheap.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nice feature, it has a false base roughly as outlined by the
> >>>>> yellow lines here;
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l284/davidlang_photos/irwinbag.jpg
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Handy for keeping the drill drivers & charger etc I thought.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After a month the sides of the base compartment collapsed &
> >>>>> instead of forming a rectangle it became a parallelogram.  This
> >>>>> made it impossible to get stuff in or out of the base and meant
> >>>>> that when you put the bag down it falls over sideways.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Took it back to Axminster today who, to their great credit gave an
> >>>>> immediate refund & spent a lot of time & trouble showing me every
> >>>>> tool bag they have to sort the problem out.  Various mutterings
> >>>>> about 'not another one' and 'we've had loads of those back'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, if you were thinking of buying one, leave it until they sort
> >>>>> the problem out.  Shame really, great toolbag other than that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Dave,
> >>>>
> >>>> "Have you found the trouble" (as HAL9000 said to Dave Bowman just
> >>>> before Bowman started to disable 'him' in the book 2001 A Space
> >>>> Odyssey [1]).
> >>>>
> >>>> Now all these-here new fangled ideas are not always the best, and
> >>>> for longevity and ease of use - and it *never* collapses or fall
> >>>> over sideways - you really cannot better one of these things:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Faithfull_Carpenters_Tool_Bag__6557556
> >>>>
> >>>> Had one now for near on 45 years and its still goin' strong. LOL
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] Sorry about that one Dave, but I have just recently finished
> >>>> reading all 4 books in the series, and when I wrote the "Hello
> >>>> Dave" I just couldn't resist adding the other bits!  :-)
> >>>
> >>> Book, pah!
> >>
> >> Bob, a bit of a sneeze there - and I have heard of a book title
> >> called "pah"!
> >>
> >>> Have you read the original short story?
> >>
> >> Which original 'short story'?
> >
> > "The Sentinel". Written in 1948...! The idea was expanded into the
> > film. The books you mention came later.
> 
> Bob,
> 
> I thought that may be what you were thinking, but from Arthur C Clarke's own 
> words:
> 
>  [1] ...and we had decided that one, 'The Sentinel', contained the basic 
> idea on which we could build.
> 
> [2] "2001 is often said to be 'based on' 'The Sentinel', but that is a goss 
> oversimplification; the two bear as much the same relationship as an acorn 
> and an oak tree".
> 
> This is taken from chapter 'Back to 2001' in the book of 2001 A Space......

I don't disagree. I said the idea was expanded, rather than being based 
on...there is much more before, and after, the bit on the Moon. I have 
that book too...!

I think "The Sentinel" is a really good story in its own right, though. 
Worth reading.
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:00:46 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
 wrote:

>Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for what I do. 
>Not especially cheap.
>
>http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0

Have you had the strap hooks break yet?

AFAICS, these Irwins are a copy of the design of the excellent "Bucket
Boss" range of bags that Lee Valley and Axminster did a few years ago,
only made with much poorer quality materials.  I'm not impressed with
them.

On Jul 19, 1:00 am, Andy Dingley  wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:00:46 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
>
>  wrote:
> >Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for what I do> >Not especially cheap.
>
> >http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin뚊◹...
>
> Have you had the strap hooks break yet?
>
> AFAICS, these Irwins are a copy of the design of the excellent "Bucket
> Boss" range of bags that Lee Valley and Axminster did a few years ago,
> only made with much poorer quality materials.  I'm not impressed with
> them.

I`d second "Bucket Boss" had a contractors case of theirs for years,
its wearing well, dosen`t look like still have a UK distributor
though, quite a range on Ebay though.

Adam

On Jul 19, 1:31 am, Adam Aglionby  wrote:
> On Jul 19, 1:00 am, Andy Dingley  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:00:46 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
>
> >  wrote:
> > >Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for what I do.
> > >Not especially cheap.
>
> > >http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin뚊◹...
>
> > Have you had the strap hooks break yet?
>
> > AFAICS, these Irwins are a copy of the design of the excellent "Bucket
> > Boss" range of bags that Lee Valley and Axminster did a few years ago,
> > only made with much poorer quality materials.  I'm not impressed with
> > them.
>
> I`d second "Bucket Boss" had a contractors case of theirs for years,
> its wearing well, dosen`t look like still have a UK distributor
> though, quite a range on Ebay though.
>
> Adam

Ok they do have UK outlets, not cheap but value appreciated after
price forgotten

http://www.rutlands.co.uk/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi/O6005

Adam

On 2008-07-19 01:00:49 +0100, Andy Dingley  said:

> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:00:46 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for what I do.
>> Not especially cheap.
>> 
>> http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0

Have 
>> 
> you had the strap hooks break yet?
> 
> AFAICS, these Irwins are a copy of the design of the excellent "Bucket
> Boss" range of bags that Lee Valley and Axminster did a few years ago,
> only made with much poorer quality materials.  I'm not impressed with
> them.

I have a few Bucket Boss bags and they are good.   Generally I've 
bought them in the U.S. in places like Home Deepo or contractors tool 
places.     They are very inexpensive in these and seem to be the 
popular brand.

It doesn't look as though anybody in the UK is selling Bucket Boss any 
longer.  Rutlands used to carry a comprehensive range but have switched 
to an own brand knock off (Dakota) which still appears to be 
reasonable, and the much better quality (at a price) Veto Pro Pac.

Bucket Boss can still be obtained from U.S. suppliers like Coastal 
Tool, and would be a reasonable addition to an order for power tools.

Bob Eager wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:05:29 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:46:39 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
>>> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:38:19 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
>>>>> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>>>>> Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for
>>>>>>> what I do. Not especially cheap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice feature, it has a false base roughly as outlined by the
>>>>>>> yellow lines here;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l284/davidlang_photos/irwinbag.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Handy for keeping the drill drivers & charger etc I thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After a month the sides of the base compartment collapsed &
>>>>>>> instead of forming a rectangle it became a parallelogram.  This
>>>>>>> made it impossible to get stuff in or out of the base and meant
>>>>>>> that when you put the bag down it falls over sideways.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Took it back to Axminster today who, to their great credit gave
>>>>>>> an immediate refund & spent a lot of time & trouble showing me
>>>>>>> every tool bag they have to sort the problem out.  Various
>>>>>>> mutterings about 'not another one' and 'we've had loads of
>>>>>>> those back'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, if you were thinking of buying one, leave it until they sort
>>>>>>> the problem out.  Shame really, great toolbag other than that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Have you found the trouble" (as HAL9000 said to Dave Bowman just
>>>>>> before Bowman started to disable 'him' in the book 2001 A Space
>>>>>> Odyssey [1]).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now all these-here new fangled ideas are not always the best, and
>>>>>> for longevity and ease of use - and it *never* collapses or fall
>>>>>> over sideways - you really cannot better one of these things:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Faithfull_Carpenters_Tool_Bag__6557556
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Had one now for near on 45 years and its still goin' strong. LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] Sorry about that one Dave, but I have just recently finished
>>>>>> reading all 4 books in the series, and when I wrote the "Hello
>>>>>> Dave" I just couldn't resist adding the other bits!  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Book, pah!
>>>>
>>>> Bob, a bit of a sneeze there - and I have heard of a book title
>>>> called "pah"!
>>>>
>>>>> Have you read the original short story?
>>>>
>>>> Which original 'short story'?
>>>
>>> "The Sentinel". Written in 1948...! The idea was expanded into the
>>> film. The books you mention came later.
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I thought that may be what you were thinking, but from Arthur C
>> Clarke's own words:
>>
>>  [1] ...and we had decided that one, 'The Sentinel', contained the
>> basic idea on which we could build.
>>
>> [2] "2001 is often said to be 'based on' 'The Sentinel', but that is
>> a goss oversimplification; the two bear as much the same
>> relationship as an acorn and an oak tree".
>>
>> This is taken from chapter 'Back to 2001' in the book of 2001 A
>> Space......
>
> I don't disagree. I said the idea was expanded, rather than being
> based on...there is much more before, and after, the bit on the Moon.
> I have that book too...!
>
> I think "The Sentinel" is a really good story in its own right,
> though. Worth reading.

Bob,

Had a quick look for that on Amazon last night and reading the 'blurb' on 
it,  I was amazed that the original story was only 11 pages long (and 
according to Arthur C Clarke the original was a short story written for the 
BBC so that would explain that) - could you tell me what copy you have read 
and where you obtained it from please?

Many thanks

Tanner-'op

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:37:33 UTC, "Tanner-'op" 
<tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:

> Bob Eager wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:05:29 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
> > <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Bob Eager wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:46:39 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
> >>> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Bob Eager wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:38:19 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
> >>>>> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
> >>>>>>> Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for
> >>>>>>> what I do. Not especially cheap.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nice feature, it has a false base roughly as outlined by the
> >>>>>>> yellow lines here;
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l284/davidlang_photos/irwinbag.jpg
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Handy for keeping the drill drivers & charger etc I thought.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> After a month the sides of the base compartment collapsed &
> >>>>>>> instead of forming a rectangle it became a parallelogram.  This
> >>>>>>> made it impossible to get stuff in or out of the base and meant
> >>>>>>> that when you put the bag down it falls over sideways.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Took it back to Axminster today who, to their great credit gave
> >>>>>>> an immediate refund & spent a lot of time & trouble showing me
> >>>>>>> every tool bag they have to sort the problem out.  Various
> >>>>>>> mutterings about 'not another one' and 'we've had loads of
> >>>>>>> those back'.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, if you were thinking of buying one, leave it until they sort
> >>>>>>> the problem out.  Shame really, great toolbag other than that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello Dave,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Have you found the trouble" (as HAL9000 said to Dave Bowman just
> >>>>>> before Bowman started to disable 'him' in the book 2001 A Space
> >>>>>> Odyssey [1]).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now all these-here new fangled ideas are not always the best, and
> >>>>>> for longevity and ease of use - and it *never* collapses or fall
> >>>>>> over sideways - you really cannot better one of these things:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Faithfull_Carpenters_Tool_Bag__6557556
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Had one now for near on 45 years and its still goin' strong. LOL
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1] Sorry about that one Dave, but I have just recently finished
> >>>>>> reading all 4 books in the series, and when I wrote the "Hello
> >>>>>> Dave" I just couldn't resist adding the other bits!  :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Book, pah!
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob, a bit of a sneeze there - and I have heard of a book title
> >>>> called "pah"!
> >>>>
> >>>>> Have you read the original short story?
> >>>>
> >>>> Which original 'short story'?
> >>>
> >>> "The Sentinel". Written in 1948...! The idea was expanded into the
> >>> film. The books you mention came later.
> >>
> >> Bob,
> >>
> >> I thought that may be what you were thinking, but from Arthur C
> >> Clarke's own words:
> >>
> >>  [1] ...and we had decided that one, 'The Sentinel', contained the
> >> basic idea on which we could build.
> >>
> >> [2] "2001 is often said to be 'based on' 'The Sentinel', but that is
> >> a goss oversimplification; the two bear as much the same
> >> relationship as an acorn and an oak tree".
> >>
> >> This is taken from chapter 'Back to 2001' in the book of 2001 A
> >> Space......
> >
> > I don't disagree. I said the idea was expanded, rather than being
> > based on...there is much more before, and after, the bit on the Moon.
> > I have that book too...!
> >
> > I think "The Sentinel" is a really good story in its own right,
> > though. Worth reading.
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Had a quick look for that on Amazon last night and reading the 'blurb' on 
> it,  I was amazed that the original story was only 11 pages long (and 
> according to Arthur C Clarke the original was a short story written for the 
> BBC so that would explain that) - could you tell me what copy you have read 
> and where you obtained it from please?

I read the 11 pages version...it's  a really good short story. It's in 
lots of collections of Arthur C Clarke stories. If you can't trace it, 
I'll try to dig it out, but there are nearly 4000 books to search 
through here...and I haven't quite finished the cataloguing software...

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Looks like £1.50 at Amazon, plus postage:

 http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/c/arthur-c-clarke/sentinel.htm
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Bob Eager wrote:
> Looks like £1.50 at Amazon, plus postage:
> 
>  http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/c/arthur-c-clarke/sentinel.htm

Audio version here:

http://ia360605.us.archive.org/3/items/MindWebs-SciFi/Mindwebs-790128_TheSentinel.mp3


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Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:37:33 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:05:29 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
>>> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:46:39 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
>>>>> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:38:19 UTC, "Tanner-'op"
>>>>>>> <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Bought one of these 2 months ago, seemed an ideal tool bag for
>>>>>>>>> what I do. Not especially cheap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=298875&name=irwin+tool+bag&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nice feature, it has a false base roughly as outlined by the
>>>>>>>>> yellow lines here;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l284/davidlang_photos/irwinbag.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Handy for keeping the drill drivers & charger etc I thought.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After a month the sides of the base compartment collapsed &
>>>>>>>>> instead of forming a rectangle it became a parallelogram.
>>>>>>>>> This made it impossible to get stuff in or out of the base
>>>>>>>>> and meant that when you put the bag down it falls over
>>>>>>>>> sideways.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Took it back to Axminster today who, to their great credit
>>>>>>>>> gave an immediate refund & spent a lot of time & trouble
>>>>>>>>> showing me every tool bag they have to sort the problem out.
>>>>>>>>> Various mutterings about 'not another one' and 'we've had
>>>>>>>>> loads of those back'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, if you were thinking of buying one, leave it until they
>>>>>>>>> sort the problem out.  Shame really, great toolbag other than
>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Dave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Have you found the trouble" (as HAL9000 said to Dave Bowman
>>>>>>>> just before Bowman started to disable 'him' in the book 2001 A
>>>>>>>> Space Odyssey [1]).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now all these-here new fangled ideas are not always the best,
>>>>>>>> and for longevity and ease of use - and it *never* collapses
>>>>>>>> or fall over sideways - you really cannot better one of these
>>>>>>>> things:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Faithfull_Carpenters_Tool_Bag__6557556
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Had one now for near on 45 years and its still goin' strong.
>>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] Sorry about that one Dave, but I have just recently
>>>>>>>> finished reading all 4 books in the series, and when I wrote
>>>>>>>> the "Hello Dave" I just couldn't resist adding the other bits!
>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Book, pah!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob, a bit of a sneeze there - and I have heard of a book title
>>>>>> called "pah"!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you read the original short story?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which original 'short story'?
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Sentinel". Written in 1948...! The idea was expanded into the
>>>>> film. The books you mention came later.
>>>>
>>>> Bob,
>>>>
>>>> I thought that may be what you were thinking, but from Arthur C
>>>> Clarke's own words:
>>>>
>>>>  [1] ...and we had decided that one, 'The Sentinel', contained the
>>>> basic idea on which we could build.
>>>>
>>>> [2] "2001 is often said to be 'based on' 'The Sentinel', but that
>>>> is a goss oversimplification; the two bear as much the same
>>>> relationship as an acorn and an oak tree".
>>>>
>>>> This is taken from chapter 'Back to 2001' in the book of 2001 A
>>>> Space......
>>>
>>> I don't disagree. I said the idea was expanded, rather than being
>>> based on...there is much more before, and after, the bit on the
>>> Moon. I have that book too...!
>>>
>>> I think "The Sentinel" is a really good story in its own right,
>>> though. Worth reading.
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> Had a quick look for that on Amazon last night and reading the
>> 'blurb' on it,  I was amazed that the original story was only 11
>> pages long (and according to Arthur C Clarke the original was a
>> short story written for the BBC so that would explain that) - could
>> you tell me what copy you have read and where you obtained it from
>> please?
>
> I read the 11 pages version...it's  a really good short story. It's in
> lots of collections of Arthur C Clarke stories. If you can't trace it,
> I'll try to dig it out, but there are nearly 4000 books to search
> through here...and I haven't quite finished the cataloguing
> software...

Thanks Bob.

If I can't find it I may take you up on that offer.

Tanner-'op

On Jul 19, 10:39 pm, "Tanner-'op" <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:

> >> Had a quick look for that on Amazon last night and reading the
> >> 'blurb' on it,  I was amazed that the original story was only 11
> >> pages long (and according to Arthur C Clarke the original was a
> >> short story written for the BBC so that would explain that) - could
> >> you tell me what copy you have read and where you obtained it from
> >> please?

It's in a collection titled "The Sentinel" that's on Amazon for 1p.

If you're interested in other versions of the story, there's a nice
Marvel Comics version by Jack Kirby:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_%28comics%29

Tanner-'op wrote:

>>>
>>> Now all these-here new fangled ideas are not always the best, and
>>> for longevity and ease of use - and it *never* collapses or fall
>>> over sideways - you really cannot better one of these things:
>>>
>>> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Faithfull_Carpenters_Tool_Bag__6557556
>>>
>>> Had one now for near on 45 years and its still goin' strong. LOL

OK I suppose if you want to present yourself as an 'odd job man'. They group 
everything together & just look a complete mess + they were not designed for 
modern drill drivers.  I like to work in a tidy manner e.g. I remove a tool 
from the bag, use it, then return it to the bag.


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman wrote:
> Tanner-'op wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Now all these-here new fangled ideas are not always the best, and
>>>> for longevity and ease of use - and it *never* collapses or fall
>>>> over sideways - you really cannot better one of these things:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Faithfull_Carpenters_Tool_Bag__6557556
>>>>
>>>> Had one now for near on 45 years and its still goin' strong. LOL
>
> OK I suppose if you want to present yourself as an 'odd job man'.
> They group everything together & just look a complete mess + they
> were not designed for modern drill drivers.  I like to work in a tidy
> manner e.g. I remove a tool from the bag, use it, then return it to
> the bag.

Wrong there again Dave, the old chippies bags were designed and made for the 
*PROFESSIONALS" and not the "HANDYMAN" - oops, I meant the odd-jobbers - a 
bit like you really!

As for they " just look a complete mess" - I would rather have someone who 
knows how to the job, turn up with an old and battered old chippies bag 
laden with with very good quality and very well used and kept tools than 
posing with a flash bag full of rubbish kit (or even worse, tools he didn't 
know how to use - and there are people just like that).

Tanner-'op

John Rumm wrote:
> Bob Eager wrote:
>> Looks like £1.50 at Amazon, plus postage:
>>
>>  http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/c/arthur-c-clarke/sentinel.htm
>
> Audio version here:
>
> http://ia360605.us.archive.org/3/items/MindWebs-SciFi/Mindwebs-790128_TheSentinel.mp3
>
>
>
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John,

Thanks for that, it was most interesting.

Tanner-'op

mike wrote:
> On Jul 19, 10:39 pm, "Tanner-'op" <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Had a quick look for that on Amazon last night and reading the
>>>> 'blurb' on it, I was amazed that the original story was only 11
>>>> pages long (and according to Arthur C Clarke the original was a
>>>> short story written for the BBC so that would explain that) - could
>>>> you tell me what copy you have read and where you obtained it from
>>>> please?
>
> It's in a collection titled "The Sentinel" that's on Amazon for 1p.
>
> If you're interested in other versions of the story, there's a nice
> Marvel Comics version by Jack Kirby:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_%28comics%29

Thanks Mike,

As I said, I just had a quick look on the site - in between sorting out a 
problematical rebuild of SWMBO's computer.

Tanner-'op

Tanner-'op wrote:
> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Tanner-'op wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now all these-here new fangled ideas are not always the best, and
>>>>> for longevity and ease of use - and it *never* collapses or fall
>>>>> over sideways - you really cannot better one of these things:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Faithfull_Carpenters_Tool_Bag__6557556
>>>>>
>>>>> Had one now for near on 45 years and its still goin' strong. LOL
>>
>> OK I suppose if you want to present yourself as an 'odd job man'.
>> They group everything together & just look a complete mess + they
>> were not designed for modern drill drivers.  I like to work in a tidy
>> manner e.g. I remove a tool from the bag, use it, then return it to
>> the bag.
>
> Wrong there again Dave, the old chippies bags were designed and made
> for the *PROFESSIONALS" and not the "HANDYMAN" - oops, I meant the
> odd-jobbers - a bit like you really!

No, old chippies bags were simply made for old chippies.  Didn't matter what 
they looked like or what image they presented.  Flat cap & brown coat. 
'Fork handles'?

The old chippie bag is basically a circle of canvas with two handles. 
Nothing designed for drill drivers or their attachments.

Things have moved on since you trimmed the doors on the ark.

Thank you for your pathetic attempt to slag me off for running a highly 
successful & profitable handyman business.  I started this from ground zero 
two & a half years ago, I'm now fully booked for a month ahead, mostly from 
returning customers & recommendations and I probably earn more than you ever 
dreamt of.

Wanker.


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