I want to put an outside tap round the side of the house so I can wash down 
when the dogs have been out there.
I have a downstair loo with a sink on an outside wall and I can tap into the 
pipes and run them through the wall, then put a tap and hose on. Thing is, I 
would prefer the water to be hot as I could also use the tap to clean other 
things like the car and also its better for washing down after the dogs.
As I have an instant hot water boiler is it OK to attach the tap to the hot 
pipe and will it work like my indoor taps as in when I turn it on so far the 
hot comes out.

thanks

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Samantha Booth   wrote:

> I want to put an outside tap round the side of the house so I can
> wash down when the dogs have been out there.
> I have a downstair loo with a sink on an outside wall and I can tap
> into the pipes and run them through the wall, then put a tap and hose
> on. Thing is, I would prefer the water to be hot as I could also use
> the tap to clean other things like the car and also its better for
> washing down after the dogs. As I have an instant hot water boiler is it 
> OK to attach the tap to
> the hot pipe and will it work like my indoor taps as in when I turn
> it on so far the hot comes out.
>
> thanks

Yes. If turning on the basin tap causes the boiler to fire, turning on an 
outside tap connected to the same pipework will work in the same way.

One thing to watch though is that garden hoses may not like hot water.
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"Roger Mills"  wrote in message 
news:6ecdt1F61jmvU1@mid.individual.net...
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Samantha Booth   wrote:
>
>> I want to put an outside tap round the side of the house so I can
>> wash down when the dogs have been out there.
>> I have a downstair loo with a sink on an outside wall and I can tap
>> into the pipes and run them through the wall, then put a tap and hose
>> on. Thing is, I would prefer the water to be hot as I could also use
>> the tap to clean other things like the car and also its better for
>> washing down after the dogs. As I have an instant hot water boiler is it 
>> OK to attach the tap to
>> the hot pipe and will it work like my indoor taps as in when I turn
>> it on so far the hot comes out.
>>
>> thanks
>
> Yes. If turning on the basin tap causes the boiler to fire, turning on an 
> outside tap connected to the same pipework will work in the same way.
>
> One thing to watch though is that garden hoses may not like hot water.
> -- 
> Cheers,
> Roger
> ______
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> monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
> PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP!
>
Thanks Roger

I never thouught of that, the hose may not like the hot water. i wonder if 
they make hoses that withstand hot water

Samantha Booth coughed up some electrons that declared:

> 
> "Roger Mills"  wrote in message
> news:6ecdt1F61jmvU1@mid.individual.net...
>> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>> Samantha Booth   wrote:
>>
>>> I want to put an outside tap round the side of the house so I can
>>> wash down when the dogs have been out there.
>>> I have a downstair loo with a sink on an outside wall and I can tap
>>> into the pipes and run them through the wall, then put a tap and hose
>>> on. Thing is, I would prefer the water to be hot as I could also use
>>> the tap to clean other things like the car and also its better for
>>> washing down after the dogs. As I have an instant hot water boiler is it
>>> OK to attach the tap to
>>> the hot pipe and will it work like my indoor taps as in when I turn
>>> it on so far the hot comes out.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>
>> Yes. If turning on the basin tap causes the boiler to fire, turning on an
>> outside tap connected to the same pipework will work in the same way.
>>
>> One thing to watch though is that garden hoses may not like hot water.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Roger
>> ______
>> Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly
>> monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
>> PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP!
>>
> Thanks Roger
> 
> I never thouught of that, the hose may not like the hot water. i wonder if
> they make hoses that withstand hot water

I've run hot taps through hoses. They get quite pliable but the worst that
can happen is the hozelok type connectors lose grip and fall off. I assume
your hot water is a reasonable temperature?

Cheers

Tim

"Tim S"  wrote in message 
news:488106dc$0$636$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
> Samantha Booth coughed up some electrons that declared:
>
>>
>> "Roger Mills"  wrote in message
>> news:6ecdt1F61jmvU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>>> Samantha Booth   wrote:
>>>
>>>> I want to put an outside tap round the side of the house so I can
>>>> wash down when the dogs have been out there.
>>>> I have a downstair loo with a sink on an outside wall and I can tap
>>>> into the pipes and run them through the wall, then put a tap and hose
>>>> on. Thing is, I would prefer the water to be hot as I could also use
>>>> the tap to clean other things like the car and also its better for
>>>> washing down after the dogs. As I have an instant hot water boiler is 
>>>> it
>>>> OK to attach the tap to
>>>> the hot pipe and will it work like my indoor taps as in when I turn
>>>> it on so far the hot comes out.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Yes. If turning on the basin tap causes the boiler to fire, turning on 
>>> an
>>> outside tap connected to the same pipework will work in the same way.
>>>
>>> One thing to watch though is that garden hoses may not like hot water.
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Roger
>>> ______
>>> Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly
>>> monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
>>> PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP!
>>>
>> Thanks Roger
>>
>> I never thouught of that, the hose may not like the hot water. i wonder 
>> if
>> they make hoses that withstand hot water
>
> I've run hot taps through hoses. They get quite pliable but the worst that
> can happen is the hozelok type connectors lose grip and fall off. I assume
> your hot water is a reasonable temperature?
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim

Yes it gets extremely hot when slow and cooler the more I put the tap on. It 
would be warm i would be using on. I have some self amalgamating tape used 
for aerial rigging I could use to fix the hoselock fittings

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:05:03 +0100, "Samantha Booth"
 wrote:

>
>"Roger Mills"  wrote in message 
>news:6ecdt1F61jmvU1@mid.individual.net...
>> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>> Samantha Booth   wrote:
>>
>>> I want to put an outside tap round the side of the house so I can
>>> wash down when the dogs have been out there.
>>> I have a downstair loo with a sink on an outside wall and I can tap
>>> into the pipes and run them through the wall, then put a tap and hose
>>> on. Thing is, I would prefer the water to be hot as I could also use
>>> the tap to clean other things like the car and also its better for
>>> washing down after the dogs. As I have an instant hot water boiler is it 
>>> OK to attach the tap to
>>> the hot pipe and will it work like my indoor taps as in when I turn
>>> it on so far the hot comes out.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>
>> Yes. If turning on the basin tap causes the boiler to fire, turning on an 
>> outside tap connected to the same pipework will work in the same way.
>>
>> One thing to watch though is that garden hoses may not like hot water.
>> -- 
>> Cheers,
>> Roger
>> ______
>> Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly
>> monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
>> PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP!
>>
>Thanks Roger
>
>I never thouught of that, the hose may not like the hot water. i wonder if 
>they make hoses that withstand hot water 
>

A point to bear in mind is that if the outside bit of the pipe freezes
and bursts while you're out you could end up with a biggish gas bill
:-)

-- 
Frank Erskine

Samantha Booth coughed up some electrons that declared:

> 
> Yes it gets extremely hot when slow and cooler the more I put the tap on.
> It would be warm i would be using on. I have some self amalgamating tape
> used for aerial rigging I could use to fix the hoselock fittings

Might not be such a good idea then... I reckon you'd be OK upto about 60C,
much hotter and the hose is going to get very soft and you have a risk of
being burnt when the connectors fall off and spray water everywhere.

Just my 2p's worth.

Cheers

Tim

Frank Erskine wrote:
<>
> 
> A point to bear in mind is that if the outside bit of the pipe freezes
> and bursts while you're out you could end up with a biggish gas bill
> :-)
> 
I'm sure Samantha didn't intend to fit one without a suitable valve for 
isolating the tap in the winter. :-)  Also a good reason for using 
plastic pipe for the through the wall and outside bits - seems better 
able to cope with a bit of freezing.

-- 
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onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
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"Rod"  wrote in message
news:6eci82F6husbU1@mid.individual.net...
> Frank Erskine wrote:
> <>
>>
>> A point to bear in mind is that if the outside bit of the pipe freezes
>> and bursts while you're out you could end up with a biggish gas bill
>> :-)
>>
> I'm sure Samantha didn't intend to fit one without a suitable valve for
> isolating the tap in the winter. :-)  Also a good reason for using plastic
> pipe for the through the wall and outside bits - seems better able to cope
> with a bit of freezing.
>
> -- 
> Rod
>
> Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
> onset.
> Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
> <www.thyromind.info> <www.thyroiduk.org> <www.altsupportthyroid.org>

What about fitting a thermostatic mixer valve so the water is a reasonable
temp - to avoid scalding the dogs.

"John"  wrote in message 
news:bT8gk.961$%e.307@newsfe27.ams2...
>
> "Rod"  wrote in message
> news:6eci82F6husbU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Frank Erskine wrote:
>> <>
>>>
>>> A point to bear in mind is that if the outside bit of the pipe freezes
>>> and bursts while you're out you could end up with a biggish gas bill
>>> :-)
>>>
>> I'm sure Samantha didn't intend to fit one without a suitable valve for
>> isolating the tap in the winter. :-)  Also a good reason for using 
>> plastic
>> pipe for the through the wall and outside bits - seems better able to 
>> cope
>> with a bit of freezing.
>>
>> -- 
>> Rod
>>
>> Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
>> onset.
>> Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
>> <www.thyromind.info> <www.thyroiduk.org> <www.altsupportthyroid.org>
>
> What about fitting a thermostatic mixer valve so the water is a reasonable
> temp - to avoid scalding the dogs.
>
>
>
One of these
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/12024/Plumbing/Brassware/Thermostatic-Mixing-Valve-15mm

In article <g5qrj7$3o1$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
   Samantha Booth  wrote:
>  Thing is, I would prefer the water to be hot as I could also use the
> tap to clean other things like the car and also its better for washing
> down after the dogs.

It's an awfully expensive way of washing a car given the cost of energy
these days. I hose it down to soften the dirt then use about a bucket of
hot water with a suitable detergent then hose it off with clean water.

BTW, you must have a soft dog if it can't stand cold water. ;-)

-- 
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    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Samantha Booth wrote:
>> One thing to watch though is that garden hoses may not like hot water.
> I never thouught of that, the hose may not like the hot water. i wonder if 
> they make hoses that withstand hot water 

You can get "quite long" replacement shower hoses for bathroom showers, 
should be possible to get couplers to join two or three (I think it's a 
"standard" fitting) and a nice spray on the end.

Personally I would have a thermostatic hot spray for the dogs and a cold 
tap for buckets and hoses.

Owain

Tim S wrote:
> Samantha Booth coughed up some electrons that declared:
> 
>> Yes it gets extremely hot when slow and cooler the more I put the tap on.
>> It would be warm i would be using on. I have some self amalgamating tape
>> used for aerial rigging I could use to fix the hoselock fittings
> 
> Might not be such a good idea then... I reckon you'd be OK upto about 60C,
> much hotter and the hose is going to get very soft and you have a risk of
> being burnt when the connectors fall off and spray water everywhere.

Its obviously a combi. Very hot water will not be a spray, it will be a 
thin trickle.
> 
> Just my 2p's worth.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Tim

Rod wrote:
> Frank Erskine wrote:
> <>
>>
>> A point to bear in mind is that if the outside bit of the pipe freezes
>> and bursts while you're out you could end up with a biggish gas bill
>> :-)
>>
> I'm sure Samantha didn't intend to fit one without a suitable valve for 
> isolating the tap in the winter. :-)  Also a good reason for using 
> plastic pipe for the through the wall and outside bits - seems better 
> able to cope with a bit of freezing.
> 
Regulations also insist on a non return thingie, so you cant suck foetid 
hose water back into the house circuits IIRC.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Rod wrote:
>> Frank Erskine wrote:
>> <>
>>>
>>> A point to bear in mind is that if the outside bit of the pipe freezes
>>> and bursts while you're out you could end up with a biggish gas bill
>>> :-)
>>>
>> I'm sure Samantha didn't intend to fit one without a suitable valve 
>> for isolating the tap in the winter. :-)  Also a good reason for using 
>> plastic pipe for the through the wall and outside bits - seems better 
>> able to cope with a bit of freezing.
>>
> Regulations also insist on a non return thingie, so you cant suck foetid 
> hose water back into the house circuits IIRC.

And to make that easy, every standard external-type bib tap I have seen 
recently has had one built-in.

-- 
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious 
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
<www.thyromind.info> <www.thyroiduk.org> <www.altsupportthyroid.org>

Rod wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> Rod wrote:
>>> Frank Erskine wrote:
>>> <>
>>>>
>>>> A point to bear in mind is that if the outside bit of the pipe freezes
>>>> and bursts while you're out you could end up with a biggish gas bill
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>> I'm sure Samantha didn't intend to fit one without a suitable valve 
>>> for isolating the tap in the winter. :-)  Also a good reason for 
>>> using plastic pipe for the through the wall and outside bits - seems 
>>> better able to cope with a bit of freezing.
>>>
>> Regulations also insist on a non return thingie, so you cant suck 
>> foetid hose water back into the house circuits IIRC.
> 
> And to make that easy, every standard external-type bib tap I have seen 
> recently has had one built-in.
> 
Most do: you CAN still buy them without..

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:00:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Tim S wrote:
>> Samantha Booth coughed up some electrons that declared:
>> 
>>> Yes it gets extremely hot when slow and cooler the more I put the tap
>>> on. It would be warm i would be using on. I have some self
>>> amalgamating tape used for aerial rigging I could use to fix the
>>> hoselock fittings
>> 
>><snipped>

> 
> Its obviously a combi. Very hot water will not be a spray, it will be a
> thin trickle.
>> 
><snipped>

==================================
It might be a 'multipoint' ('Main', 'Worcester', etc.) in which case the 
temperature can be regulated by turning the control knob on the front of 
the boiler to a setting which is low enough to prevent  scalding under 
(almost) any circumstances.

Cic.




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"Samantha Booth"  wrote in message 
news:g5qrj7$3o1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>I want to put an outside tap round the side of the house so I can wash down 
>when the dogs have been out there.
> I have a downstair loo with a sink on an outside wall and I can tap into 
> the pipes and run them through the wall, then put a tap and hose on. Thing 
> is, I would prefer the water to be hot as I could also use the tap to 
> clean other things like the car and also its better for washing down after 
> the dogs.
> As I have an instant hot water boiler is it OK to attach the tap to the 
> hot pipe and will it work like my indoor taps as in when I turn it on so 
> far the hot comes out.
>
> thanks

Two outside taps, one hot and one cold.

Adam

"Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
news:4fc10b48a4dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <g5qrj7$3o1$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
>   Samantha Booth  wrote:
>>  Thing is, I would prefer the water to be hot as I could also use the
>> tap to clean other things like the car and also its better for washing
>> down after the dogs.
>
> It's an awfully expensive way of washing a car given the cost of energy
> these days. I hose it down to soften the dirt then use about a bucket of
> hot water with a suitable detergent then hose it off with clean water.
>
> BTW, you must have a soft dog if it can't stand cold water. ;-)
>
> -- 
> *If at first you do succeed, try not to look too astonished.
>
>    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
>                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.
LOL, You wouldnt say that if you tried to get in lol. ;) What I meant was 
washing the floor down after the dog has been to the loo with hot water. I 
didnt want the hot tap for actually washing down the dogs.

In article ,
	The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> writes:
> Rod wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> Rod wrote:
>>>> Frank Erskine wrote:
>>>> <>
>>>>>
>>>>> A point to bear in mind is that if the outside bit of the pipe freezes
>>>>> and bursts while you're out you could end up with a biggish gas bill
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>> I'm sure Samantha didn't intend to fit one without a suitable valve 
>>>> for isolating the tap in the winter. :-)  Also a good reason for 
>>>> using plastic pipe for the through the wall and outside bits - seems 
>>>> better able to cope with a bit of freezing.
>>>>
>>> Regulations also insist on a non return thingie, so you cant suck 
>>> foetid hose water back into the house circuits IIRC.
>> 
>> And to make that easy, every standard external-type bib tap I have seen 
>> recently has had one built-in.
>> 
> Most do: you CAN still buy them without..

The ones in the external-type bib tap were destroyed by freezing,
and I've read the non-return valve now has to be positioned indoors.

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article ,
> 	The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> writes:
>> Rod wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> Rod wrote:
>>>>> Frank Erskine wrote:
>>>>> <>
>>>>>> A point to bear in mind is that if the outside bit of the pipe freezes
>>>>>> and bursts while you're out you could end up with a biggish gas bill
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure Samantha didn't intend to fit one without a suitable valve 
>>>>> for isolating the tap in the winter. :-)  Also a good reason for 
>>>>> using plastic pipe for the through the wall and outside bits - seems 
>>>>> better able to cope with a bit of freezing.
>>>>>
>>>> Regulations also insist on a non return thingie, so you cant suck 
>>>> foetid hose water back into the house circuits IIRC.
>>> And to make that easy, every standard external-type bib tap I have seen 
>>> recently has had one built-in.
>>>
>> Most do: you CAN still buy them without..
> 
> The ones in the external-type bib tap were destroyed by freezing,
> and I've read the non-return valve now has to be positioned indoors.
> 

I did not know that. Makes a bit of a nonsense of them mostly being a 
part of the tap, doesn't it?

-- 
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onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:02:04 +0100, Samantha Booth wrote:

> LOL, You wouldnt say that if you tried to get in lol. ;) What I meant
> was washing the floor down after the dog has been to the loo with hot
> water. I didnt want the hot tap for actually washing down the dogs.

I fitted an extra hot tap (actually warm: mixed via a TMV as others have
suggested) for a client to wash her dog. It wasn't so much that the dog
had a problem with cold water as the client, who presumably massaged the
dirt out of the hound's hair with her hands.

Personally I'd have thought a Karcher would do the trick ;-)

-- 
John Stumbles

I forgot to take my amnesia medecine again

In article <g5r1bk$lj0$1@registered.motzarella.org>, 
mail@cheekySPAMchurros.com says...

> 
> Yes it gets extremely hot when slow and cooler the more I put the tap on. It 
> would be warm i would be using on. I have some self amalgamating tape used 
> for aerial rigging I could use to fix the hoselock fittings 

You can get brass equivalents, as in 
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/13866/Landscaping/Landscaping-Hand-
Tools/Irrigation/Brass-Hose-Fitting-Kit-Pack-of-4

-- 
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On 19 Jul,  
     John Stumbles  wrote:

> 
> Personally I'd have thought a Karcher would do the trick ;-)
> 
How good are their pressure washers, namely the 411A. I've just aquired a
(supposedly) non working one which cycled every couple of seconds when off. I
cleaned out the bypass valve/pressure switch and it appears to work ok. any
gotchas with this model?

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John Stumbles wrote:
> I fitted an extra hot tap (actually warm: mixed via a TMV as others have
> suggested) for a client to wash her dog. It wasn't so much that the dog
> had a problem with cold water as the client, who presumably massaged the
> dirt out of the hound's hair with her hands.

I had two dogs that needed occasional washing. One would happily sit in 
the shower cubicle and she got the warm shower. The other refused (I 
think he hated the noise of the shower) but was quite happy being hosed 
down on the loggia from the cold outside tap.

Owain

me9@privacy.net wrote:
> On 19 Jul,
>     John Stumbles  wrote:
>
>>
>> Personally I'd have thought a Karcher would do the trick ;-)
>>
> How good are their pressure washers, namely the 411A. I've just
> aquired a (supposedly) non working one which cycled every couple of
> seconds when off. I cleaned out the bypass valve/pressure switch and
> it appears to work ok. any gotchas with this model?

Pretty good.  The 4 series has an induction motor I think?

Spares are easy to get hold of.

Cleasning out the bypass was exactly the right thing to do!  They can also 
be adjusted.


-- 
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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 19 Jul 2008 11:51:02 GMT someone who may be
andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) wrote this:-

>The ones in the external-type bib tap were destroyed by freezing,

Not if the tap is drained properly before winter.



-- 
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David Hansen wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2008 11:51:02 GMT someone who may be
> andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) wrote this:-
> 
>> The ones in the external-type bib tap were destroyed by freezing,
> 
> Not if the tap is drained properly before winter.
> 
> 
> 
Self-evidently, it would appear the taps weren't so drained. And I would 
expect that to be the case in many, possibly most, homes around the country.

-- 
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Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious 
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:43:09 +0100, David Hansen wrote:

> On 19 Jul 2008 11:51:02 GMT someone who may be
> andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) wrote this:-
> 
>>The ones in the external-type bib tap were destroyed by freezing,
> 
> Not if the tap is drained properly before winter.

But if the tap incorporates a double check valve it can't be fully drained
- water will be trapped behind the second check valve. For that reaon I
wouldn't fit them in exposed locations or in colder parts of the country.
Down here in the relatively mild south-east, for a tap on the outside wall
of a house sheltered from icy winds and without (much) external pipework
(e.g. on a through-wall plate connector) I wouldn't worry.

-- 
John Stumbles

Extreme moderate

On 20 Jul,  
     "The Medway Handyman"  wrote:

> me9@privacy.net wrote:
> > On 19 Jul,
> >     John Stumbles  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Personally I'd have thought a Karcher would do the trick ;-)
> >>
> > How good are their pressure washers, namely the 411A. I've just
> > aquired a (supposedly) non working one which cycled every couple of
> > seconds when off. I cleaned out the bypass valve/pressure switch and
> > it appears to work ok. any gotchas with this model?
> 
> Pretty good.

God!

> The 4 series has an induction motor I think?

It has.

> 
> Spares are easy to get hold of.

They seem to be, but expensive for some. But if of good quality...

> 
> Cleasning out the bypass was exactly the right thing to do!  They can also 
> be adjusted.

It seems to work fine now. I haven't dared trying to adjust the bypass.

Thanks.

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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
me9@privacy.net   wrote:

> On 19 Jul,
>     John Stumbles  wrote:
>
>>
>> Personally I'd have thought a Karcher would do the trick ;-)
>>
> How good are their pressure washers, namely the 411A. I've just
> aquired a (supposedly) non working one which cycled every couple of
> seconds when off. I cleaned out the bypass valve/pressure switch and
> it appears to work ok. any gotchas with this model?

Someone was offering a non-working 411A on Freecycle-Leamington recently. 
Were you the recipient of *that* one? I made a bid for it as spares for 
mine, but was too late!

I've had one for getting on for 10 years, and have only had two problems 
with it. The first one was failure to start - although it showed *some* life 
if you kept pressing the switch. This suggested a faulty capacitor, and I 
was able to get a suitable (second hand) replacement from a local motor 
rewinding outfit. It wasn't identical, but fitted ok - and that was several 
years ago and still works. [You need a long thin T15 torx screwdriver to get 
it apart - and one of the screws is a security screw with a tit in the 
middle - but I found that the tit broke off quite easily, allowing me to use 
a normal torx screwdriver on it].

The second problem was very recent and relates to the trigger unit. The 
final nozzle bit (where wands and other fittings plug in) has a o-ring seal, 
and is held in place by some grotty little plastic lugs. These lugs gave up, 
allowing the nozzle to move,  such that water leaked out in all directions 
instead of going into the wand. I had numerous goes at mending it, with only 
partial success and eventually bought a complete new pressure hose and 
trigger (with a different design from the original) on Ebay.
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On 20 Jul,  
     "Roger Mills"  wrote:

> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> me9@privacy.net   wrote:
> 
> > On 19 Jul,
> >     John Stumbles  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Personally I'd have thought a Karcher would do the trick ;-)
> >>
> > How good are their pressure washers, namely the 411A. I've just
> > aquired a (supposedly) non working one which cycled every couple of
> > seconds when off. I cleaned out the bypass valve/pressure switch and
> > it appears to work ok. any gotchas with this model?
> 
> Someone was offering a non-working 411A on Freecycle-Leamington recently. 
> Were you the recipient of *that* one? I made a bid for it as spares for 
> mine, but was too late!

No, It wasn't that one. It was from a friend who had two, and wanted more
space in his shed. I'll quiz him further tonight.

[snip]
> [You need a long thin T15 torx screwdriver to get  it apart - and one of
> the screws is a security screw with a tit in the  middle - but I found that
> the tit broke off quite easily, allowing me to use  a normal torx
> screwdriver on it]. 

I managed to get in with an allen key, I only had a very short torx, and the
allen key worked. I couldn't modify the security screw but got it out with a
normal screwdriver.

> The second problem was very recent and relates to the trigger unit. The 
> final nozzle bit (where wands and other fittings plug in) has a o-ring
> seal,  and is held in place by some grotty little plastic lugs. These lugs
> gave up,  allowing the nozzle to move,  such that water leaked out in all
> directions  instead of going into the wand. I had numerous goes at mending
> it, with only  partial success and eventually bought a complete new
> pressure hose and  trigger (with a different design from the original) on
> Ebay.

It came with a complete set of tools, one unused. I hope they last as they
aren't cheap. I'm pleased with it so far, it's got the slippery stuff off the
path round the house already.

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:36:38 GMT someone who may be John Stumbles
 wrote this:-

>But if the tap incorporates a double check valve it can't be fully drained
>- water will be trapped behind the second check valve.

There should be a drain point between the two valves.


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David Hansen wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:36:38 GMT someone who may be John Stumbles
>  wrote this:-
> 
>> But if the tap incorporates a double check valve it can't be fully drained
>> - water will be trapped behind the second check valve.
> 
> There should be a drain point between the two valves.
> 
> 
The tap I recently fitted claims to have a double-check valve and has a 
small screw at the very bottom. (Just went out to have a look.) I guess 
that is what it is.

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