Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a covert 
level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth" 
 said:

> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a 
> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
> 
> Adam

Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?

To answer your question, though, I was looking at several security 
equipment suppliers for something else recently.   I've checked a few 
web sites from my list and all of them seem to be chargng £300 to 330 
for what you want.

ARWadworth wrote:
> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
> covert level IIA stab proof vest.

The ones issued to London Ambulance staff are tailor made & cost around £350 
each.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Andy Hall wrote:
> On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth"
>  said:
>
>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
>> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>>
>> Adam
>
> Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?

I reckon his girlfriend has found out about the bit on the side :-)


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:07:10 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
 wrote:

>ARWadworth wrote:
>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
>> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>
>The ones issued to London Ambulance staff are tailor made & cost around £350 
>each.

I doubt they are tailor made as opposed to just being made in a number
of sizes.   One thing that always amazes me is that they seem to offer
no protection to the lower abdomen and that an upward strike would
likely slide in underneath the vest.

On 2008-07-17 18:07:58 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" 
 said:

> Andy Hall wrote:
>> On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth"
>>  said:
>> 
>>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
>>> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>>> 
>>> Adam
>> 
>> Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?
> 
> I reckon his girlfriend has found out about the bit on the side :-)

I wonder if these vests or an accessory have naughty bits coverage.

Geoff wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:07:10 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
>  wrote:
>
>> ARWadworth wrote:
>>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
>>> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>>
>> The ones issued to London Ambulance staff are tailor made & cost
>> around £350 each.
>
> I doubt they are tailor made as opposed to just being made in a number
> of sizes.   One thing that always amazes me is that they seem to offer
> no protection to the lower abdomen and that an upward strike would
> likely slide in underneath the vest.

My daughter was measured for hers and had to wait a fortnight for it to be 
made.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In message <O%Kfk.28645$E41.10183@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The Medway 
Handyman  writes
>Andy Hall wrote:
>> On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth"
>>  said:
>>
>>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
>>> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>
>> Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?
>
>I reckon his girlfriend has found out about the bit on the side :-)
>
>
Armour plated box is what he needs


-- 
geoff

geoff wrote:
> In message <O%Kfk.28645$E41.10183@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The
> Medway Handyman  writes
>> Andy Hall wrote:
>>> On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth"
>>>  said:
>>>
>>>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for
>>>> a covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>
>>> Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?
>>
>> I reckon his girlfriend has found out about the bit on the side :-)
>>
>>
> Armour plated box is what he needs

If she gets to him first he's gonna need a silk lined box...


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"Andy Hall" <andyh@hall.nospam> wrote in message news:487f7800@qaanaaq...
> On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth" 
>  said:
>
>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a 
>> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>>
>> Adam
>
> Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?

No. Just expecting it.

He (the next door neighbour) has threatened me with a knife before, his Dad 
died in a mental instituition (a little research found that out) and today 
he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while talking to himself 
and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for me) and That Fat Bastard 
(his nickname for his other next door neighbour).

Personally I do expect him to try to stab me at some point. Certain 
officials are taking action against him and his wife for other behavioural 
problems and so I expect things can only get worse. I cannot YouTube him yet 
because of these actions against them.

> To answer your question, though, I was looking at several security 
> equipment suppliers for something else recently.   I've checked a few web 
> sites from my list and all of them seem to be chargng £300 to 330 for what 
> you want.
>
>

A small price to pay.

Adam

"ARWadworth"  wrote in message 
news:RzKfk.28627$E41.19348@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a 
> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>
> Adam

Doesn't answer your questiion but a few years ago you could buy chain mail 
clothes from www.kinel.co.uk.

The company appears to have disappeared, but not before their web site was 
archived by the "wayback machine".

I have no idea whether they were stab proof, but the site was interesting 
anyhow ;-)   :  http://tinyurl.com/6buws7  (very slow)

Make your own judgement.

Vortex3 wrote:
> "ARWadworth"  wrote in message
> news:RzKfk.28627$E41.19348@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
>> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>>
>> Adam
>
> Doesn't answer your questiion but a few years ago you could buy chain
> mail clothes from www.kinel.co.uk.
>
> The company appears to have disappeared, but not before their web
> site was archived by the "wayback machine".
>
> I have no idea whether they were stab proof, but the site was
> interesting anyhow ;-)   :  http://tinyurl.com/6buws7  (very slow)
>
> Make your own judgement.

Chain mail is fairly good at resisting slashing attacks, but relatively poor 
at resisting stabbing.  "The point always beats the edge" as they say.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

> He (the next door neighbour) has threatened me with a knife before, his Dad 
> died in a mental instituition (a little research found that out) and today 
> he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while talking to himself 
> and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for me) and That Fat Bastard 
> (his nickname for his other next door neighbour).

Wonder if you can get him sectioned under the mental health act ? - 
certainly sounds like he needs assessment...

ARWadworth  wrote in message
news:RzKfk.28627$E41.19348@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert
> level IIA stab proof vest.
>
> Adam
>


how about £25, but not quite covert

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

or
http://tinyurl.com/6b9uxq

-

> how about £25, but not quite covert
> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
> rch_string=body檹ꢺ&search=Search&price_range=

Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler" - 
could this be the armour that's missing ?

For £50, it looks like you can get ex-police body armour, not sure 
what the stab level is though...

http://www.britishmilitarysurplus.co.uk/ishop/1069/shopscr118.html

In message <6XNfk.28805$E41.14282@text.news.virginmedia.com>, ARWadworth 
 writes
>
>"Andy Hall" <andyh@hall.nospam> wrote in message news:487f7800@qaanaaq...
>> On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth" 
>> said:
>>
>>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a 
>>>covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>
>> Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?
>
>No. Just expecting it.
>
>He (the next door neighbour) has threatened me with a knife before, his 
>Dad died in a mental instituition (a little research found that out) 
>and today he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while 
>talking to himself and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for 
>me) and That Fat Bastard (his nickname for his other next door neighbour).
>
>Personally I do expect him to try to stab me at some point. Certain 
>officials are taking action against him and his wife for other 
>behavioural problems and so I expect things can only get worse. I 
>cannot YouTube him yet because of these actions against them.
>
>> To answer your question, though, I was looking at several security 
>>equipment suppliers for something else recently.   I've checked a few 
>>web  sites from my list and all of them seem to be chargng £300 to 330 
>>for what  you want.
>>
>>
>
>A small price to pay.
>
>Adam

Replied via email. Is your address valid?

Someone

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:17:19 GMT, "Mark"  wrote:

>
>ARWadworth  wrote in message
>news:RzKfk.28627$E41.19348@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
>covert
>> level IIA stab proof vest.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>
>
>how about £25, but not quite covert
>
>http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
>rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
>
>or
>http://tinyurl.com/6b9uxq
>
When I retired about 3½ years ago I gave away a stab-proof vest
(unused but tried-on once or twice). Hardly covert, it had a white
washable liner. I think it had titanium plates as its active elements.
It was bloody heavy to wear though.
I think my successors were issued with slightly more
ballistic-resistant PPE...

-- 
Frank Erskine

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:17:19 GMT, Mark wrote:

> ARWadworth  wrote in message
> news:RzKfk.28627$E41.19348@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
> covert
>> level IIA stab proof vest.
>>
>> Adam
>>
> 
> how about £25, but not quite covert
> 
> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
> 
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/6b9uxq
> 
> -

I must get my eyes tested....I read that as quilt cover.

Don.

Colin Wilson wrote:
>> how about £25, but not quite covert
>> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
>> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
>
> Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler" -
> could this be the armour that's missing ?
>
That looks like just the cover.  Becky's stab vest came with a spare cover 
in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:

> Colin Wilson wrote:
>>> how about £25, but not quite covert
>>>
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
>>> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
>>
>> Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler" -
>> could this be the armour that's missing ?
>>
> That looks like just the cover.  Becky's stab vest came with a spare cover
> in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.
> 
> 

It's a sad state of affairs when members of the fire brigade and ambulance
services need to worry about people trying to main them :(

On 17 Jul, 18:44, Geoff <No-...@nowhere.notime> wrote:

> I doubt they are tailor made as opposed to just being made in a number
> of sizes.

Many are tailor made, to some extent. There are a number of plates, so
as to give some articulation, and you can order each plate to be of a
range of standard sizes (i.e. are you apple-shaped or pear-shaped).
Covers are then sewn up to fit the particular set of plates that
you've ordered.

On Jul 17, 9:27 pm, "ARWadworth" 
wrote:

>  today
> he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while talking to himself
> and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for me) and That Fat Bastard
> (his nickname for his other next door neighbour).
>
> Personally I do expect him to try to stab me at some point. Certain
> officials are taking action against him and his wife for other behavioural
> problems

Got this info from a member of the local Community Mental Health
Trust:

If you haven't already, you should definitely and immediately contact
the Police about the latest incident.

They should contact the relevant organization and also tell you of
anyone else you can contact.

If you already have a contact name at Social Services/Community Mental
Health Trust, you should also contact them.  If not, get this info
from the Police or Google for it.

Threats like this are taken seriously, there are procedures to deal
with them and you shouldn't have to rely on buying yourself a stab-
proof jacket.  It's good to leave a paper trail and also the more
information/incidents that are reported, the more likely there's a
critical mass of evidence to warrant intervention.

HTH.

"Colin Wilson"  wrote 
in message news:MPG.22e9e079260367eb98988a@news.motzarella.org...
> how about £25, but not quite covert
> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

>Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler" -
>could this be the armour that's missing ?


TBA I didn’t read it properly either, I looked at this one
 http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/shopscr454.html
but then noticed the ex-army one cheaper.


>For £50, it looks like you can get ex-police body armour, not sure
>what the stab level is though...

>http://www.britishmilitarysurplus.co.uk/ishop/1069/shopscr118.html


That’s looks the same as my one above, but half the price.





-

On 17 Jul, 17:38, "ARWadworth"  wrote:
> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a covert
> level IIA stab proof vest.

Eat some pies, wear a non-covert one under a big shirt. You pay a
_lot_ for the extra-thin covert ones.

Also they're no bloody use. If you're in a situation where such a
thing is likely to be worn (doorstaff maybe), then your general
demeanour intimidates many, drunken students are a nuisance and little
more, so your largest actual threat is from the serious nutter. They
aren't going to stab you in the vest, they'll aim somewhere more
effective, just in case you are wearing one.

On 17 Jul, 18:49, Andy Hall <an...@hall.nospam> wrote:

> I wonder if these vests or an accessory have naughty bits coverage.

My Felix suit has separate pieces for anti-vampire protection, and a
bollock guard (which is really there to protect your femoral artery
anyway).

Andy Dingley wrote:
> On 17 Jul, 17:38, "ARWadworth"  wrote:
>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a covert
>> level IIA stab proof vest.
> 
> Eat some pies, wear a non-covert one under a big shirt. You pay a
> _lot_ for the extra-thin covert ones.
> 
> Also they're no bloody use. If you're in a situation where such a
> thing is likely to be worn (doorstaff maybe), then your general
> demeanour intimidates many, drunken students are a nuisance and little
> more, so your largest actual threat is from the serious nutter. They
> aren't going to stab you in the vest, they'll aim somewhere more
> effective, just in case you are wearing one.

The point is, apart from a blade into the brain through the eyes, the 
death dealing blows are to the torso. Specifically tthe heart: even a 
ripped artery is not fatal if tthe flow is staunched in time.



I am wndering if a titanium mail shirt (marketed as 'Mithril') has any 
commercial value :-)

On 2008-07-18 10:47:44 +0100, Andy Dingley  said:

> On 17 Jul, 18:49, Andy Hall <an...@hall.nospam> wrote:
> 
>> I wonder if these vests or an accessory have naughty bits coverage.
> 
> My Felix suit has separate pieces for anti-vampire protection, and a
> bollock guard (which is really there to protect your femoral artery
> anyway).

This in a way is what surprises me about this kind or armour  - which 
essentially covers the abdomen.    If one really wanted to off somebody 
quickly, the femoral artery area would be the place to aim for.    I 
believe that death can be in a very few minutes from a fully severed 
artery.       I was surprised at how quickly the circulation works.  
I'd always thought that it was minutes, but found out during a recent 
CT scan that it's seconds.

I suppose that most teenage thugs will tend to stab in the chest and 
abdomen rather than thinking about what to do.

"somebody"  wrote in message 
news:uZXkfSLaL9fIFwWV@somewhere.co.uk...
> In message <6XNfk.28805$E41.14282@text.news.virginmedia.com>, ARWadworth 
>  writes
>>
>>"Andy Hall" <andyh@hall.nospam> wrote in message news:487f7800@qaanaaq...
>>> On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth" 
>>>  said:
>>>
>>>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a 
>>>> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>
>>> Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?
>>
>>No. Just expecting it.
>>
>>He (the next door neighbour) has threatened me with a knife before, his 
>>Dad died in a mental instituition (a little research found that out) and 
>>today he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while talking to 
>>himself and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for me) and That 
>>Fat Bastard (his nickname for his other next door neighbour).
>>
>>Personally I do expect him to try to stab me at some point. Certain 
>>officials are taking action against him and his wife for other behavioural 
>>problems and so I expect things can only get worse. I cannot YouTube him 
>>yet because of these actions against them.
>>
>>> To answer your question, though, I was looking at several security 
>>> equipment suppliers for something else recently.   I've checked a few 
>>> web  sites from my list and all of them seem to be chargng £300 to 330 
>>> for what  you want.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>A small price to pay.
>>
>>Adam
>
> Replied via email. Is your address valid?
>
> Someone

Cheers. I have received it.

Adam

"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
news:1216394550.11375.10@proxy01.news.clara.net...



>
> The point is, apart from a blade into the brain through the eyes, the 
> death dealing blows are to the torso. Specifically tthe heart: even a 
> ripped artery is not fatal if tthe flow is staunched in time.

I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an artery 
and it would be instant.
I have not seen a vest designed to stop it either.
I will not disclose it here.

"Vortex3"  wrote in message 
news:6e9psaF5m0d4U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "ARWadworth"  wrote in message 
> news:RzKfk.28627$E41.19348@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a 
>> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>>
>> Adam
>
> Doesn't answer your questiion but a few years ago you could buy chain mail 
> clothes from www.kinel.co.uk.
>
> The company appears to have disappeared, but not before their web site was 
> archived by the "wayback machine".
>
> I have no idea whether they were stab proof, but the site was interesting 
> anyhow ;-)   :  http://tinyurl.com/6buws7  (very slow)
>
> Make your own judgement.


Your tiny url shows a picture of a woman with no bra wearing a see through 
dress.

Adam

ARWadworth wrote in
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> "Vortex3"  wrote in message
> news:6e9psaF5m0d4U1@mid.individual.net...
<snip>
>> I have no idea whether they were stab proof, but the site was
>> interesting anyhow ;-)   :  http://tinyurl.com/6buws7  (very slow)
>> 
>> Make your own judgement.
> 
> 
> Your tiny url shows a picture of a woman with no bra wearing a see
> through dress.

Just the kind of thing I imagine you'd have a stab at ;)

-- 
PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

"ARWadworth"  wrote in message 
news:zs3gk.29221$E41.12261@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> "Vortex3"  wrote in message 
> news:6e9psaF5m0d4U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "ARWadworth"  wrote in message 
>> news:RzKfk.28627$E41.19348@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a 
>>> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>
>> Doesn't answer your questiion but a few years ago you could buy chain 
>> mail clothes from www.kinel.co.uk.
>>
>> The company appears to have disappeared, but not before their web site 
>> was archived by the "wayback machine".
>>
>> I have no idea whether they were stab proof, but the site was interesting 
>> anyhow ;-)   :  http://tinyurl.com/6buws7  (very slow)
>>
>> Make your own judgement.
>
>
> Your tiny url shows a picture of a woman with no bra wearing a see through 
> dress.
>
> Adam
....made of chain mail.

Andy Hall wrote:

> This in a way is what surprises me about this kind or armour  - which 
> essentially covers the abdomen.    If one really wanted to off somebody 
> quickly, the femoral artery area would be the place to aim for.    I 
> believe that death can be in a very few minutes from a fully severed 
> artery.       I was surprised at how quickly the circulation works.  I'd 
> always thought that it was minutes, but found out during a recent CT 
> scan that it's seconds.

I remember the more bloodthirsty elements of my class at school were 
asked where they wanted to go for a geography field trip. The consensus 
was an abattoir. So it was duly arranged. The one image that struck me 
particularly was how quickly the blood came out of a pig once its throat 
was cut. It would have been no quicker if you simply inverted a bucket 
of it! It took just a couple of seconds to basically drain porky of 90% 
of his content when you lop through the jugular and carotid.

-- 
Cheers,

John.

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"Vortex3"  wrote in message 
news:6ec2ncF6cpbhU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "ARWadworth"  wrote in message 
> news:zs3gk.29221$E41.12261@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>
>> "Vortex3"  wrote in message 
>> news:6e9psaF5m0d4U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "ARWadworth"  wrote in message 
>>> news:RzKfk.28627$E41.19348@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>>> Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a 
>>>> covert level IIA stab proof vest.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>
>>> Doesn't answer your questiion but a few years ago you could buy chain 
>>> mail clothes from www.kinel.co.uk.
>>>
>>> The company appears to have disappeared, but not before their web site 
>>> was archived by the "wayback machine".
>>>
>>> I have no idea whether they were stab proof, but the site was 
>>> interesting anyhow ;-)   :  http://tinyurl.com/6buws7  (very slow)
>>>
>>> Make your own judgement.
>>
>>
>> Your tiny url shows a picture of a woman with no bra wearing a see 
>> through dress.
>>
>> Adam
> ....made of chain mail.

Is she wearing a chastity belt?

Adam

Tim S wrote:
> The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:
>
>> Colin Wilson wrote:
>>>> how about £25, but not quite covert
>>>>
> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
>>>> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
>>>
>>> Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler"
>>> - could this be the armour that's missing ?
>>>
>> That looks like just the cover.  Becky's stab vest came with a spare
>> cover in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.
>>
>>
>
> It's a sad state of affairs when members of the fire brigade and
> ambulance services need to worry about people trying to main them :(

Indeed.  They can wear the vest whenever they want to, but some calls are 
flagged 'vest mandatory' and some are flagged 'do not leave ambulance unless 
police are on scene'.  Vest is mandatory in certain post code areas.

Conflict management and Aikido are part of the basic training.  They have 
radio code words to secretly convey that they are in a possibly dangerous 
situation.

All for a basic salary of £14K.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 2008-07-18 20:30:10 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" 
 said:

> Tim S wrote:
>> The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:
>> 
>>> Colin Wilson wrote:
>>>>> how about £25, but not quite covert
>>>>> 
>> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
>>>>> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
>>>> 
>>>> Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler"
>>>> - could this be the armour that's missing ?
>>>> 
>>> That looks like just the cover.  Becky's stab vest came with a spare
>>> cover in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> It's a sad state of affairs when members of the fire brigade and
>> ambulance services need to worry about people trying to main them :(
> 
> Indeed.  They can wear the vest whenever they want to, but some calls are
> flagged 'vest mandatory' and some are flagged 'do not leave ambulance unless
> police are on scene'.  Vest is mandatory in certain post code areas.

SW1?

> 
> Conflict management and Aikido are part of the basic training.  They have
> radio code words to secretly convey that they are in a possibly dangerous
> situation.
> 
> All for a basic salary of £14K.

.... and all up?

On 18 Jul, 12:13, mike  wrote:
> On Jul 17, 9:27 pm, "ARWadworth" 
> wrote:
>
> >  today
> > he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while talking to himself
> > and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for me) and That Fat Bastard
> > (his nickname for his other next door neighbour).
>
> > Personally I do expect him to try to stab me at some point. Certain
> > officials are taking action against him and his wife for other behavioural
> > problems
>
> Got this info from a member of the local Community Mental Health
> Trust:
>
> If you haven't already, you should definitely and immediately contact
> the Police about the latest incident.
>
> They should contact the relevant organization and also tell you of
> anyone else you can contact.
>
> If you already have a contact name at Social Services/Community Mental
> Health Trust, you should also contact them.  If not, get this info
> from the Police or Google for it.
>
> Threats like this are taken seriously, there are procedures to deal
> with them and you shouldn't have to rely on buying yourself a stab-
> proof jacket.  It's good to leave a paper trail and also the more
> information/incidents that are reported, the more likely there's a
> critical mass of evidence to warrant intervention.
>
> HTH.

If you have no joy from the police, get your local BBC news on the
case if he's wandering round with a knife. If you believe he's tooled-
up, dial 999 and say you believe you saw a gun. Then if he's such a
nut he won't drop the knife and the cops will trade shots
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4371071.stm Problem sorted!

In article <6b6gk.29322$E41.17705@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The Medway
Handyman  scribeth thus
>Tim S wrote:
>> The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:
>>
>>> Colin Wilson wrote:
>>>>> how about £25, but not quite covert
>>>>>
>> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
>>>>> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
>>>>
>>>> Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler"
>>>> - could this be the armour that's missing ?
>>>>
>>> That looks like just the cover.  Becky's stab vest came with a spare
>>> cover in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It's a sad state of affairs when members of the fire brigade and
>> ambulance services need to worry about people trying to main them :(
>
>Indeed.  They can wear the vest whenever they want to, but some calls are 
>flagged 'vest mandatory' and some are flagged 'do not leave ambulance unless 
>police are on scene'.  Vest is mandatory in certain post code areas.
>
>Conflict management and Aikido are part of the basic training.  They have 
>radio code words to secretly convey that they are in a possibly dangerous 
>situation.
>
>All for a basic salary of £14K.
>
>

And from what I hear no shortage of applicants;!..
-- 
Tony Sayer

The Medway Handyman wrote:
> All for a basic salary of £14K.

And not even allowed to take the works van home at weekends.

Owain

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
 saying something like:

>I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an artery 
>and it would be instant.

But that would be illegal.
You bad man.
-- 
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
 How much more suspenseful can you get?"
 - House

Andy Hall wrote:
> On 2008-07-18 20:30:10 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
>  said:
>
>> Tim S wrote:
>>> The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:
>>>
>>>> Colin Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> how about £25, but not quite covert
>>>>>>
>>> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
>>>>>> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
>>>>>
>>>>> Going by the description there, it says something about "no
>>>>> filler" - could this be the armour that's missing ?
>>>>>
>>>> That looks like just the cover.  Becky's stab vest came with a
>>>> spare cover in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's a sad state of affairs when members of the fire brigade and
>>> ambulance services need to worry about people trying to main them :(
>>
>> Indeed.  They can wear the vest whenever they want to, but some
>> calls are flagged 'vest mandatory' and some are flagged 'do not
>> leave ambulance unless police are on scene'.  Vest is mandatory in
>> certain post code areas.
>
> SW1?

More like SE1

>
>>
>> Conflict management and Aikido are part of the basic training.  They
>> have radio code words to secretly convey that they are in a possibly
>> dangerous situation.
>>
>> All for a basic salary of £14K.
>
> .... and all up?

With all the shift work & unsocial hours pay & overtime she about doubles 
that.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

tony sayer wrote:
> In article <6b6gk.29322$E41.17705@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The
> Medway Handyman  scribeth thus
>> Tim S wrote:
>>> The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:
>>>
>>>> Colin Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> how about £25, but not quite covert
>>>>>>
>>> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
>>>>>> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
>>>>>
>>>>> Going by the description there, it says something about "no
>>>>> filler" - could this be the armour that's missing ?
>>>>>
>>>> That looks like just the cover.  Becky's stab vest came with a
>>>> spare cover in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's a sad state of affairs when members of the fire brigade and
>>> ambulance services need to worry about people trying to main them :(
>>
>> Indeed.  They can wear the vest whenever they want to, but some
>> calls are flagged 'vest mandatory' and some are flagged 'do not
>> leave ambulance unless police are on scene'.  Vest is mandatory in
>> certain post code areas.
>>
>> Conflict management and Aikido are part of the basic training.  They
>> have radio code words to secretly convey that they are in a possibly
>> dangerous situation.
>>
>> All for a basic salary of £14K.
>>
>>
>
> And from what I hear no shortage of applicants;!..

No shortage of applicants thanks to the TV shows.  Great shortage of 
'suitable' applicants.  Actually very hard to get through the selection 
process, but it not a job you do for the money, like many NHS jobs.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In article <lahgk.29454$E41.27049@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The Medway
Handyman  scribeth thus
>tony sayer wrote:
>> In article <6b6gk.29322$E41.17705@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The
>> Medway Handyman  scribeth thus
>>> Tim S wrote:
>>>> The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:
>>>>
>>>>> Colin Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> how about £25, but not quite covert
>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
>>>>>>> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Going by the description there, it says something about "no
>>>>>> filler" - could this be the armour that's missing ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> That looks like just the cover.  Becky's stab vest came with a
>>>>> spare cover in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a sad state of affairs when members of the fire brigade and
>>>> ambulance services need to worry about people trying to main them :(
>>>
>>> Indeed.  They can wear the vest whenever they want to, but some
>>> calls are flagged 'vest mandatory' and some are flagged 'do not
>>> leave ambulance unless police are on scene'.  Vest is mandatory in
>>> certain post code areas.
>>>
>>> Conflict management and Aikido are part of the basic training.  They
>>> have radio code words to secretly convey that they are in a possibly
>>> dangerous situation.
>>>
>>> All for a basic salary of £14K.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And from what I hear no shortage of applicants;!..
>
>No shortage of applicants thanks to the TV shows.  Great shortage of 
>'suitable' applicants.  Actually very hard to get through the selection 
>process, 


>but it not a job you do for the money, like many NHS jobs.
>
>

Does that apply to NHS management as well?..

We've got a "Patient experience director" in our local hospital;!...
-- 
Tony Sayer

On 2008-07-19 08:57:46 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" 
 said:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Conflict management and Aikido are part of the basic training.  They
>>> have radio code words to secretly convey that they are in a possibly
>>> dangerous situation.
>>> 
>>> All for a basic salary of £14K.
>> 
>> .... and all up?
> 
> With all the shift work & unsocial hours pay & overtime she about doubles
> that.

Not a lot even so, is it?

Does it improve with age, otherwise what are the advancements?

On 2008-07-19 09:17:37 +0100, tony sayer  said:
> 
> Does that apply to NHS management as well?..
> 
> We've got a "Patient experience director" in our local hospital;!...

aka cheerleader.

Andy Hall wrote:
> On 2008-07-19 08:57:46 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
>  said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Conflict management and Aikido are part of the basic training. They 
>>>> have radio code words to secretly convey that they are in a
>>>> possibly dangerous situation.
>>>>
>>>> All for a basic salary of £14K.
>>>
>>> .... and all up?
>>
>> With all the shift work & unsocial hours pay & overtime she about
>> doubles that.
>
> Not a lot even so, is it?

Not for what she does, no.  Not a job you do for the pay rates.

> Does it improve with age, otherwise what are the advancements?

Currently she is an Emergency Medical Technician Grade 3 to use LAS 
terminology, next step is a 6 week residential course to become a full blown 
Paramedic.  They then get an extra few grand a year.

I'd say her current level of training is easily degree standard, paramedic 
is equivalent to a masters or whatever.  Except with pass rates of 86% + to 
qualify.

Only about 20% of LAS front line staff are actual paramedics, most are EMT2 
& above.

She can administer 18 drugs, paramedic can give 27 (the extra 9 being mainly 
morphine based).  She can't canulate or intubate a patient despite being a 
qualified phlebotomist, only a paramedic can do that.

She doesn't want to go into management, she wants to remain operational (or 
useful as she calls it).


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 2008-07-19 09:56:18 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" 
 said:
> 
> Currently she is an Emergency Medical Technician Grade 3 to use LAS
> terminology, next step is a 6 week residential course to become a full blown
> Paramedic.  They then get an extra few grand a year.

Something at least.     In the days when ambulance staff were little 
more than glorified taxi drivers, those kind of figures might have been 
reasonable


> I'd say her current level of training is easily degree standard, paramedic
> is equivalent to a masters or whatever.  Except with pass rates of 86% + to
> qualify.
> 
> Only about 20% of LAS front line staff are actual paramedics, most are EMT2
> & above.

That's very disappointing.    They all should be if they are doing 
emergency work.


> 
> She can administer 18 drugs, paramedic can give 27 (the extra 9 being mainly
> morphine based).  She can't canulate or intubate a patient despite being a
> qualified phlebotomist, only a paramedic can do that.

I can kind of understand these. IANAD, but have had both procedures 
recently plus a large number of phlebotomy visits.    Dealing with a 
canula involves avoidance of air introduction and use of saline to keep 
it open as I recall.  Not that it's difficult, AFAICS, but I think I 
would someone who knows what they are doing.

Intubation is another thing entirely.    Proper maintenance of airway 
is obviously vital.    I think that I would want someone well qualified 
dealing with that, even in an emergency situation.


> 
> She doesn't want to go into management, she wants to remain operational (or
> useful as she calls it).

Let's hope she remains an idealist in this sense.     One of the 
reasons that I am so anti the current NHS setup is that it doesn't 
reward in the right places.   It's a pity that reward isn't based on 
outcome, although that's probably not practical.   Even so, it's very 
clear to me that ambulance paramedics can make an enormous difference 
to outcome and so they really ought to be rewarded for that.  Granted, 
as you say, one doesn't go into this for the money, but this does not 
give the employers the right to exploit.

"Colin Wilson"  wrote 
in message news:MPG.22e9d4863da8ba23989887@news.motzarella.org...
>> He (the next door neighbour) has threatened me with a knife before, his 
>> Dad
>> died in a mental instituition (a little research found that out) and 
>> today
>> he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while talking to 
>> himself
>> and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for me) and That Fat 
>> Bastard
>> (his nickname for his other next door neighbour).
>
> Wonder if you can get him sectioned under the mental health act ? -
> certainly sounds like he needs assessment...

A massive amount of CCTV DVDs showing him in action have been sent to the 
relevant people. There have also been official complaints made by his other 
next door neighbour and the guy across the road from him. It will not get 
him sectioned but it will get him evicted.

Adam

Andy Hall wrote:
> On 2008-07-19 09:56:18 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
>  said:
>>
>> Currently she is an Emergency Medical Technician Grade 3 to use LAS
>> terminology, next step is a 6 week residential course to become a
>> full blown Paramedic.  They then get an extra few grand a year.
>
> Something at least.     In the days when ambulance staff were little
> more than glorified taxi drivers, those kind of figures might have
> been reasonable

One way to realy piss her off is to call her an ambulance driver!
>
>
>> I'd say her current level of training is easily degree standard,
>> paramedic is equivalent to a masters or whatever.  Except with pass
>> rates of 86% + to qualify.
>>
>> Only about 20% of LAS front line staff are actual paramedics, most
>> are EMT2 & above.
>
> That's very disappointing.    They all should be if they are doing
> emergency work.

EMT's are very highly trained, you wouldn't need to worry about being 
treated by them.  It takes a lot of time & training to become a paramedic.
>
>
>>
>> She can administer 18 drugs, paramedic can give 27 (the extra 9
>> being mainly morphine based).  She can't canulate or intubate a
>> patient despite being a qualified phlebotomist, only a paramedic can
>> do that.
>
> I can kind of understand these. IANAD, but have had both procedures
> recently plus a large number of phlebotomy visits.    Dealing with a
> canula involves avoidance of air introduction and use of saline to
> keep it open as I recall.  Not that it's difficult, AFAICS, but I
> think I would someone who knows what they are doing.
>
> Intubation is another thing entirely.    Proper maintenance of airway
> is obviously vital.    I think that I would want someone well
> qualified dealing with that, even in an emergency situation.
>
>
>>
>> She doesn't want to go into management, she wants to remain
>> operational (or useful as she calls it).
>
> Let's hope she remains an idealist in this sense.     One of the
> reasons that I am so anti the current NHS setup is that it doesn't
> reward in the right places.   It's a pity that reward isn't based on
> outcome, although that's probably not practical.   Even so, it's very
> clear to me that ambulance paramedics can make an enormous difference
> to outcome and so they really ought to be rewarded for that.  Granted,
> as you say, one doesn't go into this for the money, but this does not
> give the employers the right to exploit.

The Guvmint targets make you laugh.  Category 'A' calls (life threatening) 
have o be attended within 8 mins from 'reciept' of call (even if it took 3 
mins for the controller to calm the person down enough to actually get the 
address),

If they arrive in under 8 mins & the paitent dies, its counted as meeting 
the target, if over 8 mins & the patient lives its a failure!

You couldn't make it up.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:37:45 +0100, "Vortex3"
 wrote:

>....made of chain mail. 

No, the fashion stuff (and the RF shielding clothing) is made of kintted
wire, not chainmail. It has almost no impact resistance, especially as
it's often made of soft wire.

If you want, you can make your own. Normal domestic knitting machines
will knit quite happily with enamelled copper wire.

If you want chainmail, then get chainmail. It's very cheap these days.
An Indian-made Hauberk for re-enactment or LARP purposes costs less than
one UK-made butcher's chainmail glove.  You can get riveted rings (which
are pretty pointed-blade resistant) for some amount more, or even
titanium chainmail.  Wearing dark iron chainmail on a hot day is the
best reason ever to buy titanium!

"Grimly Curmudgeon"  wrote in message 
news:g5rc9i$3a0$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
>  saying something like:
>
>>I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an artery
>>and it would be instant.
>
> But that would be illegal.

*May* be illegal!

> You bad man.

May be a bad man.

"The Medway Handyman"  wrote in message 
news:S_hgk.29471$E41.18754@text.news.virginmedia.com...

> She can't canulate or intubate a patient despite being a qualified 
> phlebotomist,

just as well, the phlebotomist training can be given to anyone and is only a 
few hours.

On 2008-07-19 15:09:03 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" 
 said:

> Andy Hall wrote:
>> On 2008-07-19 09:56:18 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
>>  said:
>>> 
>>> Currently she is an Emergency Medical Technician Grade 3 to use LAS
>>> terminology, next step is a 6 week residential course to become a
>>> full blown Paramedic.  They then get an extra few grand a year.
>> 
>> Something at least.     In the days when ambulance staff were little
>> more than glorified taxi drivers, those kind of figures might have
>> been reasonable
> 
> One way to realy piss her off is to call her an ambulance driver!

I know.  That's why I didn't use that word.


>> 
>> 
>>> I'd say her current level of training is easily degree standard,
>>> paramedic is equivalent to a masters or whatever.  Except with pass
>>> rates of 86% + to qualify.
>>> 
>>> Only about 20% of LAS front line staff are actual paramedics, most
>>> are EMT2 & above.
>> 
>> That's very disappointing.    They all should be if they are doing
>> emergency work.
> 
> EMT's are very highly trained, you wouldn't need to worry about being
> treated by them.  It takes a lot of time & training to become a paramedic.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> She can administer 18 drugs, paramedic can give 27 (the extra 9
>>> being mainly morphine based).  She can't canulate or intubate a
>>> patient despite being a qualified phlebotomist, only a paramedic can
>>> do that.
>> 
>> I can kind of understand these. IANAD, but have had both procedures
>> recently plus a large number of phlebotomy visits.    Dealing with a
>> canula involves avoidance of air introduction and use of saline to
>> keep it open as I recall.  Not that it's difficult, AFAICS, but I
>> think I would someone who knows what they are doing.
>> 
>> Intubation is another thing entirely.    Proper maintenance of airway
>> is obviously vital.    I think that I would want someone well
>> qualified dealing with that, even in an emergency situation.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> She doesn't want to go into management, she wants to remain
>>> operational (or useful as she calls it).
>> 
>> Let's hope she remains an idealist in this sense.     One of the
>> reasons that I am so anti the current NHS setup is that it doesn't
>> reward in the right places.   It's a pity that reward isn't based on
>> outcome, although that's probably not practical.   Even so, it's very
>> clear to me that ambulance paramedics can make an enormous difference
>> to outcome and so they really ought to be rewarded for that.  Granted,
>> as you say, one doesn't go into this for the money, but this does not
>> give the employers the right to exploit.
> 
> The Guvmint targets make you laugh.  Category 'A' calls (life threatening)
> have o be attended within 8 mins from 'reciept' of call (even if it took 3
> mins for the controller to calm the person down enough to actually get the
> address),
> 
> If they arrive in under 8 mins & the paitent dies, its counted as meeting
> the target, if over 8 mins & the patient lives its a failure!
> 
> You couldn't make it up.

Oh dear.  Wrong measurements.....

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:35:47 +0100, "dennis@home"
 wrote:

>just as well, the phlebotomist training can be given to anyone and is only a 
>few hours.

Lesser mortals don't start out with your knife skills.

dennis@home wrote:
> "The Medway Handyman"  wrote in
> message news:S_hgk.29471$E41.18754@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
>> She can't canulate or intubate a patient despite being a qualified
>> phlebotomist,
>
> just as well, the phlebotomist training can be given to anyone and is
> only a few hours.

The point being she worked as a phlebotomist for two years, so she is not 
just qualified but also experienced.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"The Medway Handyman"  wrote in message 
news:kZugk.29811$E41.27554@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> dennis@home wrote:
>> "The Medway Handyman"  wrote in
>> message news:S_hgk.29471$E41.18754@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>
>>> She can't canulate or intubate a patient despite being a qualified
>>> phlebotomist,
>>
>> just as well, the phlebotomist training can be given to anyone and is
>> only a few hours.
>
> The point being she worked as a phlebotomist for two years, so she is not 
> just qualified but also experienced.

An experienced phlebotomist is still a phlebotomist, you wouldn't want one 
to canulate you and certainly not intubate.

The receptionist at my wife's doctors is a trained and experienced 
phlebotomist BTW, she gets an extra 30p an hr while taking blood.

"Colin Wilson"  wrote 
in message news:MPG.22e9e079260367eb98988a@news.motzarella.org...
> how about £25, but not quite covert
> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler" -
could this be the armour that's missing ?

For £50, it looks like you can get ex-police body armour, not sure
what the stab level is though...

http://www.britishmilitarysurplus.co.uk/ishop/1069/shopscr118.html

Brilliant. I suppose if I do not wear it covert I can just stick the company 
name on the back.

Adam

ARWadworth wrote:
> "Colin Wilson"
>  wrote in
> message news:MPG.22e9e079260367eb98988a@news.motzarella.org...
>> how about £25, but not quite covert
>> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
>> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
>
> Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler" -
> could this be the armour that's missing ?
>
> For £50, it looks like you can get ex-police body armour, not sure
> what the stab level is though...
>
> http://www.britishmilitarysurplus.co.uk/ishop/1069/shopscr118.html
>
> Brilliant. I suppose if I do not wear it covert I can just stick the
> company name on the back.

Then it becomes PPE for the business & you can claim it against tax :-)


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
 saying something like:

>>>I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an artery
>>>and it would be instant.
>>
>> But that would be illegal.
>
>*May* be illegal!
>
>> You bad man.
>
>May be a bad man.

Oh, I see. So it's all right for you to kill someone, but I can't speed?
Riiiiigght.
-- 
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
 How much more suspenseful can you get?"
 - House

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
>  saying something like:
> 
>>>> I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an artery
>>>> and it would be instant.
>>> But that would be illegal.
>> *May* be illegal!
>>
>>> You bad man.
>> May be a bad man.
> 
> Oh, I see. So it's all right for you to kill someone, but I can't speed?
> Riiiiigght.

Dennis didn't just write any random person, but "YOU"! (Or if I read it, 
did he mean me?)

-- 
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious 
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
<www.thyromind.info> <www.thyroiduk.org> <www.altsupportthyroid.org>

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
>  saying something like:
>
>>>> I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an
>>>> artery and it would be instant.
>>>
>>> But that would be illegal.
>>
>> *May* be illegal!
>>
>>> You bad man.
>>
>> May be a bad man.
>
> Oh, I see. So it's all right for you to kill someone, but I can't
> speed? Riiiiigght.

Or have a fag in the pub....



-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:07:00 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an
> artery and it would be instant.
> I have not seen a vest designed to stop it either. I will not disclose
> it here.

You mean "if I told you, I'd have to kill you"? ;-)

-- 
John Stumbles

Extreme moderate

"Grimly Curmudgeon"  wrote in message 
news:g5v4vl$5lg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
>  saying something like:
>
>>>>I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an 
>>>>artery
>>>>and it would be instant.
>>>
>>> But that would be illegal.
>>
>>*May* be illegal!
>>
>>> You bad man.
>>
>>May be a bad man.
>
> Oh, I see. So it's all right for you to kill someone, but I can't speed?

There are legal circumstances where you can kill someone, the same as there 
are circumstances where a driver can speed.
You obviously don't understand when they are so you aren't capable.

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
>  saying something like:
> 
>>>> I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an artery
>>>> and it would be instant.
>>> But that would be illegal.
>> *May* be illegal!
>>
>>> You bad man.
>> May be a bad man.
> 
> Oh, I see. So it's all right for you to kill someone, but I can't speed?
> Riiiiigght.

Perhaps he's "Licenced to kill"?

Incidentally I don't think there is such a thing as an instant death. 
Except perhaps in the case of a very large explosion.

Andy

"The Medway Handyman"  wrote in message 
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> ARWadworth wrote:
>> "Colin Wilson"
>>  wrote in
>> message news:MPG.22e9e079260367eb98988a@news.motzarella.org...
>>> how about £25, but not quite covert
>>> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
>>> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
>>
>> Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler" -
>> could this be the armour that's missing ?
>>
>> For £50, it looks like you can get ex-police body armour, not sure
>> what the stab level is though...
>>
>> http://www.britishmilitarysurplus.co.uk/ishop/1069/shopscr118.html
>>
>> Brilliant. I suppose if I do not wear it covert I can just stick the
>> company name on the back.
>
> Then it becomes PPE for the business & you can claim it against tax :-)
>

Nice idea, I never thought of that. Did you pinch that off your daughter or 
the Shawshank Redemption? Either way a brilliant idea.

Adam

"The Medway Handyman"  wrote in message 
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> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>> drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
>>  saying something like:
>>
>>>>> I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an
>>>>> artery and it would be instant.
>>>>
>>>> But that would be illegal.
>>>
>>> *May* be illegal!
>>>
>>>> You bad man.
>>>
>>> May be a bad man.
>>
>> Oh, I see. So it's all right for you to kill someone, but I can't
>> speed? Riiiiigght.
>
> Or have a fag in the pub....

It is still legal in a gay bar.

Adam

ARWadworth wrote:
> "The Medway Handyman"  wrote in
> message news:7wEgk.29936$E41.29195@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> ARWadworth wrote:
>>> "Colin Wilson"
>>>  wrote in
>>> message news:MPG.22e9e079260367eb98988a@news.motzarella.org...
>>>> how about £25, but not quite covert
>>>> http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/includes/shopsearch.php?shop_id=853&start=0&sea
>>>> rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=
>>>
>>> Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler"
>>> - could this be the armour that's missing ?
>>>
>>> For £50, it looks like you can get ex-police body armour, not sure
>>> what the stab level is though...
>>>
>>> http://www.britishmilitarysurplus.co.uk/ishop/1069/shopscr118.html
>>>
>>> Brilliant. I suppose if I do not wear it covert I can just stick the
>>> company name on the back.
>>
>> Then it becomes PPE for the business & you can claim it against tax
>> :-)
>
> Nice idea, I never thought of that. Did you pinch that off your
> daughter or the Shawshank Redemption? Either way a brilliant idea.

Neither - my accountant!  One of many reasons for the embroidered logo on 
the overalls & polo shirts - makes them wholey & exclusively for business 
use.



-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Andy Champ wrote:
> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>> drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
>>  saying something like:
>>
>>>>> I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or
>>>>> an artery and it would be instant.
>>>> But that would be illegal.
>>> *May* be illegal!
>>>
>>>> You bad man.
>>> May be a bad man.
>>
>> Oh, I see. So it's all right for you to kill someone, but I can't
>> speed? Riiiiigght.
>
> Perhaps he's "Licenced to kill"?

Self confessed glue sniffer - prolly out of his head.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:31:07 +0000, ARWadworth wrote:

> "The Medway Handyman"  wrote in message 

>> Or have a fag in the pub....
> 
> It is still legal in a gay bar.

I think that would count as 'in public' so still not legal ;-)

-- 
John Stumbles

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

In message <MBHgk.30020$E41.29861@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The Medway 
Handyman  writes
>Andy Champ wrote:
>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>>> drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
>>>  saying something like:
>>>
>>>>>> I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or
>>>>>> an artery and it would be instant.
>>>>> But that would be illegal.
>>>> *May* be illegal!
>>>>
>>>>> You bad man.
>>>> May be a bad man.
>>>
>>> Oh, I see. So it's all right for you to kill someone, but I can't
>>> speed? Riiiiigght.
>>
>> Perhaps he's "Licenced to kill"?
>
>Self confessed glue sniffer - prolly out of his head.
>
NAh, I reckon he'd try and use his razor sharp wit

-- 
geoff

ARWadworth wrote:
> 
> "The Medway Handyman"  wrote in 
> message news:0QFgk.29975$E41.15179@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> 
>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>
>>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>>> drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
>>>  saying something like:
>>>
>>>>>> I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an
>>>>>> artery and it would be instant.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But that would be illegal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *May* be illegal!
>>>>
>>>>> You bad man.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> May be a bad man.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, I see. So it's all right for you to kill someone, but I can't
>>> speed? Riiiiigght.
>>
>>
>> Or have a fag in the pub....
> 
> 
> It is still legal in a gay bar.

But only in the US. We have a different meaning for the word  :-)

Dave

"Andy Champ"  wrote in message 
news:xpqdnU6K-J02px7VnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>> drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
>>  saying something like:
>>
>>>>> I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an 
>>>>> artery
>>>>> and it would be instant.
>>>> But that would be illegal.
>>> *May* be illegal!
>>>
>>>> You bad man.
>>> May be a bad man.
>>
>> Oh, I see. So it's all right for you to kill someone, but I can't speed?
>> Riiiiigght.
>
> Perhaps he's "Licenced to kill"?
>
> Incidentally I don't think there is such a thing as an instant death.

All death is instant, you are alive, then you are dead there is no lingering 
halfway state.

> Except perhaps in the case of a very large explosion.
>
> Andy

In message <0008afe7$0$2160$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, "dennis@home" 
 writes
>> Incidentally I don't think there is such a thing as an instant death.
>
>All death is instant, you are alive, then you are dead there is no 
>lingering halfway state.
>
The transition, once started, can take a while and not be very pleasant 
though.
Give mean instant transition any time, not too soon though thanks.


>> Except perhaps in the case of a very large explosion.
>>
>> Andy
>

-- 
Bill

The Medway Handyman wrote:
> ARWadworth wrote:
>> Brilliant. I suppose if I do not wear it covert I can just stick the
>> company name on the back.
> Then it becomes PPE for the business & you can claim it against tax :-)

And PPE would be zero rated for VAT as well?

Owain

Owain wrote:
> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> ARWadworth wrote:
>>> Brilliant. I suppose if I do not wear it covert I can just stick the
>>> company name on the back.
>> Then it becomes PPE for the business & you can claim it against tax
>> :-)
>
> And PPE would be zero rated for VAT as well?

I'm not registered, but I think it is.


-- 
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 21 Jul, 01:35, Owain  wrote:

> And PPE would be zero rated for VAT as well?

All depends where you buy it!  There's a lot of mis-charging of VAT in
this field.

On 2008-07-21 08:18:49 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" 
 said:

> Owain wrote:
>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> ARWadworth wrote:
>>>> Brilliant. I suppose if I do not wear it covert I can just stick the
>>>> company name on the back.
>>> Then it becomes PPE for the business & you can claim it against tax
>>> :-)
>> 
>> And PPE would be zero rated for VAT as well?
> 
> I'm not registered, but I think it is.

It would be worth it for those trips to Rye.