Another subject

A friend of mine knows the landlord of the Castle Hotel at Bradford - it's a 
pretty good pub specialising in real ale. He tells me that they are planning 
to have a beer festival in the pub sometime around the end of April - I will 
definitely post when it is nearer the time.

Anyway they put a poster up in the pub inviting regulars to suggest beers 
for inclusion.  Some of the local camra branch came in and told them off for 
having a beer festival "without authorisation"

They have been told they will not be considered for any awards in future.

I wonder who these people think they are?  They must be under one hell of a 
misconception if they think that a publican has to ask permission from them 
to have a beer festival in their own pub.  Wonder if JDW asked if they could 
have one in the Titus Salt next month?

Anyone got any comments.

"Paul Rigg"  wrote in message 
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> Another subject
>
> A friend of mine knows the landlord of the Castle Hotel at Bradford - it's 
> a pretty good pub specialising in real ale. He tells me that they are 
> planning to have a beer festival in the pub sometime around the end of 
> April - I will definitely post when it is nearer the time.
>
> Anyway they put a poster up in the pub inviting regulars to suggest beers 
> for inclusion.  Some of the local camra branch came in and told them off 
> for having a beer festival "without authorisation"
>
> They have been told they will not be considered for any awards in future.
>
As a CAMRA member since 1973, I find this quite inexplicable.
Maybe someone from the branch covering Bradford would like to comment.

Paul Rigg wrote:
> Another subject
A friend of a friend....go talk to the landlord and find out if this 
*really* happened

On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:37:16 -0000, "Paul Rigg"
 wrote:

>Another subject
>
>A friend of mine knows the landlord of the Castle Hotel at Bradford - it's a 
>pretty good pub specialising in real ale. He tells me that they are planning 
>to have a beer festival in the pub sometime around the end of April - I will 
>definitely post when it is nearer the time.
>
>Anyway they put a poster up in the pub inviting regulars to suggest beers 
>for inclusion.  Some of the local camra branch came in and told them off for 
>having a beer festival "without authorisation"
>
>They have been told they will not be considered for any awards in future.
>
>I wonder who these people think they are?  They must be under one hell of a 
>misconception if they think that a publican has to ask permission from them 
>to have a beer festival in their own pub.  Wonder if JDW asked if they could 
>have one in the Titus Salt next month?
>
>Anyone got any comments.
>
> 
Paul Rigg - this is a disgraceful post. You are obviously not a CAMRA
member, otherwise you would realise that any local CAMRA branch would
never issue such sanctions against a local pub.

You really ought to be aware of all the facts before you make such
postings. It's all very well for blaming 'a friend' for this, Perhaps
that 'friend' should put his/her money where his/her mouth is rather
than relying on you to put your foot in it on his/her behalf.

Check the facts. Did the pub in question put a CAMRA logo on its
publicity material, in which case, they ought to get permission? Did
the local CAMRA branch members speak on behalf of the branch? Have you
checked with the Bradford CAMRA branch before posting your comments? 

Your post doesn't help the Castle, it doesn't help the local CAMRA
branch and it most certainly doesn't help you.

In article , M Platting
wrote:
> Paul Rigg - this is a disgraceful post. You are obviously not a
> CAMRA member, otherwise you would realise that any local CAMRA
> branch would never issue such sanctions against a local pub.

Sadly, I think YOu are in the wrong, here, M Platting.

There are indeed people who are CAMRA members who will go around
telling licensees all sorts of things, whilst pupporting to represent
the branch. Not all members are honourable. And not all members are
branch officers - and how would licesees know who was speaking
officially?

we have had too many reports of such things lately. 

eg a member told one licensee he would not be allowed to be in the
GBG because his pub was up for sale. Landlord very upset.

A pub-brewer had another pub-brewer, a CAMRA member, quizzing him
about his recipes and brewing - and felt he had to answer because it
was CAMRA. Said brewer very upset.

and there's more which I won't bore you with.

Don't generalise! Or make pronouncements on behalf of others you have
no right to represent. 

Or you are as bad as the people Paul Rigg is complaining about!!!

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.westcumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: 20th & 21st Nov 2009 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)
www.cumbrianbreweries.org.uk for good craic on our beers!

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:00:17 +0000 (GMT), Chris de Cordova
 wrote:

>In article , M Platting
>wrote:
>> Paul Rigg - this is a disgraceful post. You are obviously not a
>> CAMRA member, otherwise you would realise that any local CAMRA
>> branch would never issue such sanctions against a local pub.
>
>Sadly, I think YOu are in the wrong, here, M Platting.
>
My point is that before making such a post, Mr Rigg should perhaps
have contacted the local branch to ascertain the facts.

Yes, I'm sure you're right and these CAMRA members were merely loose
cannons saying things they really shouldn't. No pub needs to get CAMRA
approval before holding its own beerfest. You know that, I know that,
but there may be people out there who don't.

Many people will read Mr Rigg's post and think 'what a draconian and
appaling organisation CAMRA is that it should pontificate in such a
fashion. I'm certainly not going to join an organisation that behaves
like that'  Not very good for the cause.

Dear me, what an argument

My source is extremely reliable however I will find out exactly what 
happened .  I too have heard other examples of this sort of thing going on 
like Chris,

My source is already planning to write to Tyke Taverner over this so there 
will be a branch reply I'm sure.

In article , Paul Rigg
 wrote:


> Dear me, what an argument

> My source is extremely reliable however I will find out exactly what
> happened .  I too have heard other examples of this sort of thing going
> on like Chris,

Various possibilities exist:
1. Unfounded rumour.
2. People pretending to be CAMRA members
3. CAMRA members who are idiots (we have all walks of life so the idiots
are in there somewhere)
4.The pub used a CAMRA logo or something of CAMRA copyright on the advert
and thus was breaking the law.

-- 

Steve Pampling

In article , Steven Pampling
 wrote:
> 3. CAMRA members who are idiots (we have all walks of life so the
> idiots are in there somewhere)

That one 4 me!!!

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.westcumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: 20th & 21st Nov 2009 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)
www.cumbrianbreweries.org.uk for good craic on our beers!

A bicycle can't stand alone because it's two tyred.