In message <aCrFm.14922$6q1.868@newsfe17.iad>, graham  
writes
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>"CP"  wrote in message
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>On Oct 26, 11:49 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:34:54 -0700 (PDT), CP 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
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>> >On Oct 26, 8:05 am, "Ophelia"  wrote:
>> >> "Jane Gillett"  wrote in message
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>> >>news:50afc8c668j.gillett@higherstert.co.uk...
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>> >> > Being over 60, I am among the group with some residual resistance so
>> >> > that
>> >> > puts me lower down the list to be vaccinated. OTOH, being diabetic
>> >> > puts me
>> >> > up the list for most things so I dunno whether I'll be amongst the
>> >> > early
>> >> > ones. If I'm "called", I'll have it but I shall not worry if I'm not.
>>
>> >> Does anyone have any qualms about receiving this vaccine?
>>
>> >Yes.
>> >This news report makes for interesting viewing:
>>
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4SmFxyust0
>>
>> Have you got a link to written facts that back up his rumours?
>> What was the bit about autism? Not MMR vaccine by any chance?
>> and the bit about the vaccine containing mercury?
>
>http://www.profitableharm.com/Swine%20Flu%20Paper%20Janak.html
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>OH!  FFS!!!  If you believe the stuff on that site, you'll believe
>anything!!  The authors are a journalist and a so-called naturopath.
>Sheesh!!!
>
>
That just about sums it up, Graham.  Naturopath?
-- 
June Hughes

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:22:17 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
 wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:00:30 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:52:18 +0100, "Giusi"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Martin"  ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>
>>>> You need to run around naked in the sun to top up your vitamin D levels.
>>>
>>>My daughter was treated 2 years ago for severe vitamin D insufficiency.  She 
>>>is extremely fair, so her dermatologist had her wear sunblock 24/7 year 
>>>round.  The endocrinologist said to leave hands un treated at least. 
>>>Vitamin D is fat soluble and these low fat diets cause problems as well. 
>>>The biggest thing, according to him, is that at out lattitudes there simply 
>>>is not enough sun in winter to get adequate vitamin D.  That in spite of the 
>>>fact that milk in the USA is enhanced with vitamin D.  It isn't here, but 
>>>even though this is a fairly sunny country in winter, unlike Netherlands I 
>>>hear, the days are just too short.  You can get some from cheese, but how 
>>>much cheese can anyone eat?  Other than Enzo. 
>>>
>>
>>If you eat oily fish regularly you get enough vitamin D.
>
>There are, at least, five different forms of vitamin D. D3 is only
>made in the skin and you can't get it from natural foods. Ideally we
>should get vitamin D from both food and from sunlight. D3 is added to
>some foods but not, so far as I know, to oily fish.

Tell me how the Inuits survive?
-- 

Martin

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:49:28 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:22:17 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:00:30 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:52:18 +0100, "Giusi"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Martin"  ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>>
>>>>> You need to run around naked in the sun to top up your vitamin D levels.
>>>>
>>>>My daughter was treated 2 years ago for severe vitamin D insufficiency.  She 
>>>>is extremely fair, so her dermatologist had her wear sunblock 24/7 year 
>>>>round.  The endocrinologist said to leave hands un treated at least. 
>>>>Vitamin D is fat soluble and these low fat diets cause problems as well. 
>>>>The biggest thing, according to him, is that at out lattitudes there simply 
>>>>is not enough sun in winter to get adequate vitamin D.  That in spite of the 
>>>>fact that milk in the USA is enhanced with vitamin D.  It isn't here, but 
>>>>even though this is a fairly sunny country in winter, unlike Netherlands I 
>>>>hear, the days are just too short.  You can get some from cheese, but how 
>>>>much cheese can anyone eat?  Other than Enzo. 
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you eat oily fish regularly you get enough vitamin D.
>>
>>There are, at least, five different forms of vitamin D. D3 is only
>>made in the skin and you can't get it from natural foods. Ideally we
>>should get vitamin D from both food and from sunlight. D3 is added to
>>some foods but not, so far as I know, to oily fish.
>
>Tell me how the Inuits survive?

The amount of sunlight required on the hands and/or face to get a
survival level of D3 is quite low. Inuits get enough sunlight to
result in high levels of D3 and enough fish to results in very high
levels of D2. That's why they don't suffer from diseases related to
low D2/D3 levels such as multiple sclerosis. I know a bit about MS as
I've been studying it for about 15 years.

Steve

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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:01:21 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote in post :
<news:ceoge59nj6hr6kfcherl90n2maki0oplj2@4ax.com> :

>>>>If you eat oily fish regularly you get enough vitamin D.
>>>
>>>There are, at least, five different forms of vitamin D. D3 is only
>>>made in the skin and you can't get it from natural foods. Ideally we
>>>should get vitamin D from both food and from sunlight. D3 is added to
>>>some foods but not, so far as I know, to oily fish.
>>
>>Tell me how the Inuits survive?
> 
> The amount of sunlight required on the hands and/or face to get a
> survival level of D3 is quite low.

I don't know much about this. So we don't need very much sunlight to
produce sufficient D3 in the skin?  Is it visible sunlight or UV that makes
it? And is diffused light enough or do I really need direct sunlight? 
(I get out enough anyway so I'm just asking out of curiosity.)
-- 
Tim C.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:02:44 +0100, "Tim C."  wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:16:55 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote in post :
><news:31303030393032394AE86E7795@zetnet.co.uk> :
>
>> The message <kjprlq2uzd7b$.18uhq7c2xjr7k$.dlg@40tude.net>
>> from "Tim C."  contains these words:
>> 
>>> I agree. It's very difficult to filter out what is significant and what is
>>> scaremongering, and although this particular vaccine is an unknown, so are
>>> all the normal annual flu vaccines that people take without batting an
>>> eyelid. 
>> 
>>   Lots of people  choose not to have the annual /seasonal flu jab (for a
>> whole variety of reasons). So 
>>  reluctance to be vaccinated against  swineflu is  not unusual at all.
>> 
>>     Janet
>>
>
>But many do. The point I was trying to make is why is there so much more
>controversy over this one as compared to the others? 

because initially it was portrayed as the end of mankind as we know it and
because it effects some people far more severely than "yer average flu".
-- 

Martin