On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:

>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am. 
>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele dish washer.
>
>Slightly older Miele ...

Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended guarantee
expired. Lucky or what? 

>
>>> I find
>>>most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>>>then left with the lid on after they've dried
>> and with the lid off?
>
>With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on for
>a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again.  And if I
>leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid or
>mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>useless.  
>
>Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?

Maybe. In the summer  I could smell a nasty smell that I think the tablets leave
on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand washed glasses
to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped when the
weather got cooler.
-- 

Martin

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
 wrote:

>On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>> >> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele dish washer.
>>
>> >Slightly older Miele ...
>>
>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended guarantee
>> expired. Lucky or what?
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> I find
>> >>>most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>> >>>then left with the lid on after they've dried
>> >> and with the lid off?
>>
>> >With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on for
>> >a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again.  And if I
>> >leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid or
>> >mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>> >useless.  
>>
>> >Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>
>> Maybe. In the summer  I could smell a nasty smell that I think the tablets leave
>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand washed glasses
>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped when the
>> weather got cooler.
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>
>I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>sparkling clean but has an odd smell?

Yes the glasses look physically clean but smell of hydrogen sulphide. 
-- 

Martin

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:43 +0000, Sacha  wrote:

>On 2009-10-26 17:49:00 +0000, Judith in France 
> said:
>
>> On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>>>>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele dish
>> washer.
>>> 
>>>> Slightly older Miele ...
>>> 
>>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended guara
>> ntee
>>> expired. Lucky or what?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> I find
>>>>>> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>>>>>> then left with the lid on after they've dried
>>>>> and with the lid off?
>>> 
>>>> With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on for
>>>> a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again.  And if I
>>>> leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid or
>>>> mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>>>> useless.  
>>> 
>>>> Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>> 
>>> Maybe. In the summer  I could smell a nasty smell that I think the tabl
>> ets leave
>>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand washed
>> glasses
>>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped when
>> the
>>> weather got cooler.
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Martin
>> 
>> I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>> sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
>> 
>> Judith
>
>If you store them upside down they will take on the smell of the wood, 
>plastic coating, whatever, they're on.  Store them open side up.

On a stainless steel draining board? I don't think so :o)
The smell is there before they are put in the cupboard, it's something created
by bacteria or a chemical in the washing material.
-- 

Martin

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:37 +0000, Sacha  wrote:

>On 2009-10-26 21:35:14 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:43 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2009-10-26 17:49:00 +0000, Judith in France
>>>  said:
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>>>>>>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele dish
>>>> washer.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Slightly older Miele ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended guara
>>>> ntee
>>>>> expired. Lucky or what?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I find
>>>>>>>> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>>>>>>>> then left with the lid on after they've dried
>>>>>>> and with the lid off?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on for
>>>>>> a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again.  And if I
>>>>>> leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid or
>>>>>> mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>>>>>> useless.  
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe. In the summer  I could smell a nasty smell that I think the tabl
>>>> ets leave
>>>>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand washed
>>>> glasses
>>>>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped when
>>>> the
>>>>> weather got cooler.
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> Martin
>>>> 
>>>> I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>>>> sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
>>>> 
>>>> Judith
>>> 
>>> If you store them upside down they will take on the smell of the wood,
>>> plastic coating, whatever, they're on.  Store them open side up.
>> 
>> On a stainless steel draining board? I don't think so :o)
>> The smell is there before they are put in the cupboard, it's something created
>> by bacteria or a chemical in the washing material.
>
>Or the water pipes?  Chlorine? Something of that sort?

The water isn't chlorinated in Holland just filtered after it is pumped out of
the dunes. The smell was the same here as it was in Sheffield where the water is
chlorinated. It was the smell of bad eggs.
-- 

Martin

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:51:07 +0000, Sacha  wrote:

>On 2009-10-26 22:43:40 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:37 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2009-10-26 21:35:14 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:43 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2009-10-26 17:49:00 +0000, Judith in France
>>>>>  said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele dish
>>>>>> washer.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Slightly older Miele ...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended guara
>>>>>> ntee
>>>>>>> expired. Lucky or what?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I find
>>>>>>>>>> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>>>>>>>>>> then left with the lid on after they've dried
>>>>>>>>> and with the lid off?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on for
>>>>>>>> a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again.  And if I
>>>>>>>> leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid or
>>>>>>>> mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>>>>>>>> useless.  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Maybe. In the summer  I could smell a nasty smell that I think the tabl
>>>>>> ets leave
>>>>>>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand washed
>>>>>> glasses
>>>>>>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped when
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> weather got cooler.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>>>>>> sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Judith
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you store them upside down they will take on the smell of the wood,
>>>>> plastic coating, whatever, they're on.  Store them open side up.
>>>> 
>>>> On a stainless steel draining board? I don't think so :o)
>>>> The smell is there before they are put in the cupboard, it's something created
>>>> by bacteria or a chemical in the washing material.
>>> 
>>> Or the water pipes?  Chlorine? Something of that sort?
>> 
>> The water isn't chlorinated in Holland just filtered after it is pumped out of
>> the dunes. The smell was the same here as it was in Sheffield where the 
>> water is
>> chlorinated. It was the smell of bad eggs.
>
>Obviously they're getting their water from the Aeolian islands!

Tunes played on an egg slicing harp are not to be sniffed at
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pAmpt5s-dEE/R0GmXHdbNcI/AAAAAAAAAQE/f77A4IwAgTY/s400/egg+slicer.jpg
-- 

Martin

"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
news:ec9ce5hr0bdks8uc65scecqn6m64f8bat3@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:37 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>
>>On 2009-10-26 21:35:14 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>>
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:43 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2009-10-26 17:49:00 +0000, Judith in France
>>>>  said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>>>>>>>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele 
>>>>>>>> dish
>>>>> washer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slightly older Miele ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended 
>>>>>> guara
>>>>> ntee
>>>>>> expired. Lucky or what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I find
>>>>>>>>> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> then left with the lid on after they've dried
>>>>>>>> and with the lid off?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again. And if I
>>>>>>> leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid 
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>>>>>>> useless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe. In the summer I could smell a nasty smell that I think the 
>>>>>> tabl
>>>>> ets leave
>>>>>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand 
>>>>>> washed
>>>>> glasses
>>>>>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped 
>>>>>> when
>>>>> the
>>>>>> weather got cooler.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>>>>> sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
>>>>>
>>>>> Judith
>>>>
>>>> If you store them upside down they will take on the smell of the wood,
>>>> plastic coating, whatever, they're on.  Store them open side up.
>>>
>>> On a stainless steel draining board? I don't think so :o)
>>> The smell is there before they are put in the cupboard, it's something 
>>> created
>>> by bacteria or a chemical in the washing material.
>>
>>Or the water pipes?  Chlorine? Something of that sort?
>
> The water isn't chlorinated in Holland just filtered after it is pumped 
> out of
> the dunes. The smell was the same here as it was in Sheffield where the 
> water is
> chlorinated. It was the smell of bad eggs.
> -- 
That's H2S, not Chlorine.
Graham

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:16:22 -0600, "graham"  wrote:

>
>"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:ec9ce5hr0bdks8uc65scecqn6m64f8bat3@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:37 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>
>>>On 2009-10-26 21:35:14 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:43 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2009-10-26 17:49:00 +0000, Judith in France
>>>>>  said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele 
>>>>>>>>> dish
>>>>>> washer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slightly older Miele ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended 
>>>>>>> guara
>>>>>> ntee
>>>>>>> expired. Lucky or what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I find
>>>>>>>>>> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> then left with the lid on after they've dried
>>>>>>>>> and with the lid off?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on 
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again. And if I
>>>>>>>> leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid 
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>>>>>>>> useless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe. In the summer I could smell a nasty smell that I think the 
>>>>>>> tabl
>>>>>> ets leave
>>>>>>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand 
>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>> glasses
>>>>>>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped 
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> weather got cooler.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>>>>>> sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>
>>>>> If you store them upside down they will take on the smell of the wood,
>>>>> plastic coating, whatever, they're on.  Store them open side up.
>>>>
>>>> On a stainless steel draining board? I don't think so :o)
>>>> The smell is there before they are put in the cupboard, it's something 
>>>> created
>>>> by bacteria or a chemical in the washing material.
>>>
>>>Or the water pipes?  Chlorine? Something of that sort?
>>
>> The water isn't chlorinated in Holland just filtered after it is pumped 
>> out of
>> the dunes. The smell was the same here as it was in Sheffield where the 
>> water is
>> chlorinated. It was the smell of bad eggs.
>> -- 
>That's H2S, not Chlorine.

I think at some point I said it was hydrogen sulphide???
 It was Sacha who said chlorine.
-- 

Martin

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:34:12 +0000, Sacha  wrote:

>On 2009-10-26 23:16:22 +0000, "graham"  said:
>
>> 
>> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:ec9ce5hr0bdks8uc65scecqn6m64f8bat3@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:37 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2009-10-26 21:35:14 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:43 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2009-10-26 17:49:00 +0000, Judith in France
>>>>>>  said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele
>>>>>>>>>> dish
>>>>>>> washer.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Slightly older Miele ...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended
>>>>>>>> guara
>>>>>>> ntee
>>>>>>>> expired. Lucky or what?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I find
>>>>>>>>>>> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> then left with the lid on after they've dried
>>>>>>>>>> and with the lid off?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again. And if I
>>>>>>>>> leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>>>>>>>>> useless.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Maybe. In the summer I could smell a nasty smell that I think the
>>>>>>>> tabl
>>>>>>> ets leave
>>>>>>>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand
>>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>>> glasses
>>>>>>>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> weather got cooler.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>>>>>>> sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you store them upside down they will take on the smell of the wood,
>>>>>> plastic coating, whatever, they're on.  Store them open side up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On a stainless steel draining board? I don't think so :o)
>>>>> The smell is there before they are put in the cupboard, it's something
>>>>> created
>>>>> by bacteria or a chemical in the washing material.
>>>> 
>>>> Or the water pipes?  Chlorine? Something of that sort?
>>> 
>>> The water isn't chlorinated in Holland just filtered after it is pumped
>>> out of
>>> the dunes. The smell was the same here as it was in Sheffield where the
>>> water is
>>> chlorinated. It was the smell of bad eggs.
>>> -- 
>> That's H2S, not Chlorine.
>> Graham 
>
>The chlorine was my suggestion as we got it here until we had a filter 
>put onto the pipe where it enters the house.  Martin says the smell 
>they get on glassware isn't that but more like sulphur which suggests 
>water from some kind of spring source.  In the Netherlands is that 
>likely - I have no real knowledge but a bit of googling seems to 
>suggests that there is sulphur present in the water there, or am I 
>misunderstanding?

The water in the dunes is rain water that has permeated through the dunes which
act as a natural filter. It is pumped to the surface and into the water supply.
The water doesn't smell. The smell is something to do with putting things in the
dishwasher. 
 In Sheffield the water comes from Ladybower reservoir and is chlorinated and
smells strongly of chlorine. The smell is the result of washing glasses and
crockery with washing up liquid rinsing them and leaving them to dry on a
draining board. 
-- 

Martin

"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
news:fddce5dat5asen1a53hlnbe126ie01mti1@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:34:12 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>
>>On 2009-10-26 23:16:22 +0000, "graham"  said:
>>
>>>
>>> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:ec9ce5hr0bdks8uc65scecqn6m64f8bat3@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:37 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2009-10-26 21:35:14 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:43 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2009-10-26 17:49:00 +0000, Judith in France
>>>>>>>  said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele
>>>>>>>>>>> dish
>>>>>>>> washer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slightly older Miele ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the 
>>>>>>>>> extended
>>>>>>>>> guara
>>>>>>>> ntee
>>>>>>>>> expired. Lucky or what?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I find
>>>>>>>>>>>> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are 
>>>>>>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then left with the lid on after they've dried
>>>>>>>>>>> and with the lid off?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put 
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again. And 
>>>>>>>>>> if I
>>>>>>>>>> leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the 
>>>>>>>>>> lid
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars 
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> useless.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe. In the summer I could smell a nasty smell that I think the
>>>>>>>>> tabl
>>>>>>>> ets leave
>>>>>>>>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand
>>>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>>>> glasses
>>>>>>>>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It 
>>>>>>>>> stopped
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> weather got cooler.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>>>>>>>> sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you store them upside down they will take on the smell of the 
>>>>>>> wood,
>>>>>>> plastic coating, whatever, they're on.  Store them open side up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a stainless steel draining board? I don't think so :o)
>>>>>> The smell is there before they are put in the cupboard, it's 
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> created
>>>>>> by bacteria or a chemical in the washing material.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or the water pipes?  Chlorine? Something of that sort?
>>>>
>>>> The water isn't chlorinated in Holland just filtered after it is pumped
>>>> out of
>>>> the dunes. The smell was the same here as it was in Sheffield where the
>>>> water is
>>>> chlorinated. It was the smell of bad eggs.
>>>> -- 
>>> That's H2S, not Chlorine.
>>> Graham
>>
>>The chlorine was my suggestion as we got it here until we had a filter
>>put onto the pipe where it enters the house.  Martin says the smell
>>they get on glassware isn't that but more like sulphur which suggests
>>water from some kind of spring source.  In the Netherlands is that
>>likely - I have no real knowledge but a bit of googling seems to
>>suggests that there is sulphur present in the water there, or am I
>>misunderstanding?
>
> The water in the dunes is rain water that has permeated through the dunes 
> which
> act as a natural filter. It is pumped to the surface and into the water 
> supply.
> The water doesn't smell. The smell is something to do with putting things 
> in the
> dishwasher.
> In Sheffield the water comes from Ladybower reservoir and is chlorinated 
> and
> smells strongly of chlorine.

The water from there is very, very soft.  Incidentally, they used the 
Ladybower Reservoir to film the "Dambusters" movie.
Graham

The message 
from Martin <me@address.invalid> contains these words:

 The smell is something to do with putting things in the
> dishwasher. 

   The  bad smell in dishwashers, is from decomposed grease (and
attached food particles) trapped in  its guts
  Especially likely to happen when the dishwasher isn't run every day.


    Janet

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:05:29 -0600, "graham"  wrote:

>
>"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:fddce5dat5asen1a53hlnbe126ie01mti1@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:34:12 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>
>>>On 2009-10-26 23:16:22 +0000, "graham"  said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:ec9ce5hr0bdks8uc65scecqn6m64f8bat3@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:37 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2009-10-26 21:35:14 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:43 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2009-10-26 17:49:00 +0000, Judith in France
>>>>>>>>  said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele
>>>>>>>>>>>> dish
>>>>>>>>> washer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slightly older Miele ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the 
>>>>>>>>>> extended
>>>>>>>>>> guara
>>>>>>>>> ntee
>>>>>>>>>> expired. Lucky or what?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find
>>>>>>>>>>>>> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then left with the lid on after they've dried
>>>>>>>>>>>> and with the lid off?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put 
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again. And 
>>>>>>>>>>> if I
>>>>>>>>>>> leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the 
>>>>>>>>>>> lid
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars 
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> useless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe. In the summer I could smell a nasty smell that I think the
>>>>>>>>>> tabl
>>>>>>>>> ets leave
>>>>>>>>>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand
>>>>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>>>>> glasses
>>>>>>>>>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It 
>>>>>>>>>> stopped
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> weather got cooler.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>>>>>>>>> sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you store them upside down they will take on the smell of the 
>>>>>>>> wood,
>>>>>>>> plastic coating, whatever, they're on.  Store them open side up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On a stainless steel draining board? I don't think so :o)
>>>>>>> The smell is there before they are put in the cupboard, it's 
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>> by bacteria or a chemical in the washing material.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or the water pipes?  Chlorine? Something of that sort?
>>>>>
>>>>> The water isn't chlorinated in Holland just filtered after it is pumped
>>>>> out of
>>>>> the dunes. The smell was the same here as it was in Sheffield where the
>>>>> water is
>>>>> chlorinated. It was the smell of bad eggs.
>>>>> -- 
>>>> That's H2S, not Chlorine.
>>>> Graham
>>>
>>>The chlorine was my suggestion as we got it here until we had a filter
>>>put onto the pipe where it enters the house.  Martin says the smell
>>>they get on glassware isn't that but more like sulphur which suggests
>>>water from some kind of spring source.  In the Netherlands is that
>>>likely - I have no real knowledge but a bit of googling seems to
>>>suggests that there is sulphur present in the water there, or am I
>>>misunderstanding?
>>
>> The water in the dunes is rain water that has permeated through the dunes 
>> which
>> act as a natural filter. It is pumped to the surface and into the water 
>> supply.
>> The water doesn't smell. The smell is something to do with putting things 
>> in the
>> dishwasher.
>> In Sheffield the water comes from Ladybower reservoir and is chlorinated 
>> and
>> smells strongly of chlorine.
>
>The water from there is very, very soft.  Incidentally, they used the 
>Ladybower Reservoir to film the "Dambusters" movie.

because the Dambusters used it to practice. Seen the pictures in the Yorkshire
Bridge Pub at one of the reservoir? 
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Martin

"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:05:29 -0600, "graham"  > because 
> the Dambusters used it to practice. Seen the pictures in the Yorkshire
> Bridge Pub at one of the reservoir?
> -- 
When I went to pubs in that area, with friends, we were more interested in 
the beer and any spare totty{:-)  Those were the main interests at uni.
Graham

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:33:11 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
 wrote:

>On Oct 26, 6:07 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:
>>
>> >> >Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >>>You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>> >> >> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele dish washer.
>>
>> >> >Slightly older Miele ...
>>
>> >> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended guarantee
>> >> expired. Lucky or what?
>>
>> >> >>> I find
>> >> >>>most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>> >> >>>then left with the lid on after they've dried
>> >> >> and with the lid off?
>>
>> >> >With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on for
>> >> >a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again.  And if I
>> >> >leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid or
>> >> >mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>> >> >useless.  
>>
>> >> >Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>
>> >> Maybe. In the summer  I could smell a nasty smell that I think the tablets leave
>> >> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand washed glasses
>> >> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped when the
>> >> weather got cooler.
>> >> --
>>
>> >> Martin
>>
>> >I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>> >sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
>>
>> Yes the glasses look physically clean but smell of hydrogen sulphide.
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>
>My dishwasher is very new, so there is not a possibility of it being
>clogged up with grease build up.  Furthermore it is in a position
>where the exit is in a new place, new pipe, so no build up of fat.  In
>England I used to clean mine regularly with a special preparation,
>running it on very hot and empty.  I have no idea what causes it, it's
>run every day, sometimes when we have friends round I have to run it
>twice in 24 hours.  It would be interesting to find out.  I wondered
>if it was something to do with the chemicals in the dishwasher
>tablets?

I think it is to do with the chemicals in the dishwasher tablets, which must
also be used in washing up liquid.
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Martin

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:00:08 +0000, Sacha  wrote:

>On 2009-10-27 20:50:33 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:33:11 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
>>  wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> 
>>>> Yes the glasses look physically clean but smell of hydrogen sulphide.
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> My dishwasher is very new, so there is not a possibility of it being
>>> clogged up with grease build up.  Furthermore it is in a position
>>> where the exit is in a new place, new pipe, so no build up of fat.  In
>>> England I used to clean mine regularly with a special preparation,
>>> running it on very hot and empty.  I have no idea what causes it, it's
>>> run every day, sometimes when we have friends round I have to run it
>>> twice in 24 hours.  It would be interesting to find out.  I wondered
>>> if it was something to do with the chemicals in the dishwasher
>>> tablets?
>> 
>> I think it is to do with the chemicals in the dishwasher tablets, which must
>> also be used in washing up liquid.
>
>Try something like Ecover.

The smell stopped when the hot weather finished. I think Ecover is just another
detergent <DISCUSS> :o)
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Martin