On Oct 26, 8:05 am, "Ophelia"  wrote:
> "Jane Gillett"  wrote in message
>
> news:50afc8c668j.gillett@higherstert.co.uk...
>
> > Being over 60, I am among the group with some residual resistance so that
> > puts me lower down the list to be vaccinated. OTOH, being diabetic puts me
> > up the list for most things so I dunno whether I'll be amongst the early
> > ones. If I'm "called", I'll have it but I shall not worry if I'm not.
>
> Does anyone have any qualms about receiving this vaccine?

Yes, I do.  My reasons are probably not valid.  When I worked in a
hospital, we were offered the routine flu vaccine every year.  I
refused to have it and I did have pressure put on me which I resisted.
I was told that I had to protect the patients etc.  I have deep set
fears which may be totally irrational but I won't put a virus, albeit
a dead one, into my body.

Judith

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:18:07 -0000, "Ophelia"  wrote:

>
>"Stephen Wolstenholme"  wrote in message
>news:48abe59qjifcg4009hnkgphd793du002uh@4ax.com...
>> The polio vaccine was tested for many years on many people as a
>> possible cure before it became a preventative about 10 years later.
>> The H1N1 has only been tested on a few people for a few months. That's
>> why many people think it may be risky.
>
>That is my concern, which is why I am asking.  I am in the high risk 
>category, having chronic asthma.  I have had the seasonal flu jag for many 
>years but I am a bit wary about this new one.

Google the WHO site and ignore the inexpert spreading rumours.
-- 

Martin

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:23:46 +0000, Sacha  wrote:

>On 2009-10-26 13:34:18 +0000, "graham"  said:
>
>> 
>> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:ca8be5d4pmu265990okb7gqs1sqtg66g8s@4ax.com...
>>> On 26 Oct 2009 12:53:22 GMT,  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, I do.  My reasons are probably not valid.  When I worked in a
>>>>>> hospital, we were offered the routine flu vaccine every year.  I
>>>>>> refused to have it and I did have pressure put on me which I resisted.
>>>>>> I was told that I had to protect the patients etc.  I have deep set
>>>>>> fears which may be totally irrational but I won't put a virus, albeit
>>>>>> a dead one, into my body.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Will you be giving up breathing, eating and drinking soon too?
>>>> 
>>>> Everyone does, eventually.  Allegedly.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully not *soon*.
>>> 
>>> I had polio when I was a kid before polio vaccine was available.
>>> If people had the same attitude to vaccination as Judith and a few Dutch
>>> religious nutters, people would still be catching polio.
>>> --
>> And smallpox!
>> AIUI, "vaccinate" is a word specifically for smallpox.  "Inoculate" is for
>> all the other diseases.  Funny how language developes.
>> Graham
>
>I wonder if that's because the original smallpox vaccine came from 
>cowpox inoculations.  Isn't the Latin for 'cow' vacca, or something 
>similar?

It's "inent" in Dutch dunno why though.
-- 

Martin

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:04:21 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:18:07 -0000, "Ophelia"  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Stephen Wolstenholme"  wrote in message
>>news:48abe59qjifcg4009hnkgphd793du002uh@4ax.com...
>>> The polio vaccine was tested for many years on many people as a
>>> possible cure before it became a preventative about 10 years later.
>>> The H1N1 has only been tested on a few people for a few months. That's
>>> why many people think it may be risky.
>>
>>That is my concern, which is why I am asking.  I am in the high risk 
>>category, having chronic asthma.  I have had the seasonal flu jag for many 
>>years but I am a bit wary about this new one.
>
>Google the WHO site and ignore the inexpert spreading rumours.

That's OK but I have three very well qualified medical experts in my
family. Only one of them is having the H1N1 vaccination. I have
decided to trust my GP. When he has the vaccine I'll have it too.
Yesterday he was still undecided.

Steve

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"Stephen Wolstenholme"  wrote in message 
news:27mbe55p58iebofshh9jm4toj70kh8bsg2@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:04:21 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:18:07 -0000, "Ophelia"  
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Stephen Wolstenholme"  wrote in message
>>>news:48abe59qjifcg4009hnkgphd793du002uh@4ax.com...
>>>> The polio vaccine was tested for many years on many people as a
>>>> possible cure before it became a preventative about 10 years later.
>>>> The H1N1 has only been tested on a few people for a few months. That's
>>>> why many people think it may be risky.
>>>
>>>That is my concern, which is why I am asking.  I am in the high risk
>>>category, having chronic asthma.  I have had the seasonal flu jag for 
>>>many
>>>years but I am a bit wary about this new one.
>>
>>Google the WHO site and ignore the inexpert spreading rumours.
>
> That's OK but I have three very well qualified medical experts in my
> family. Only one of them is having the H1N1 vaccination. I have
> decided to trust my GP. When he has the vaccine I'll have it too.
> Yesterday he was still undecided.

My doc says that if I have it, she will!

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:03:46 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:55:13 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:20:46 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On 26 Oct 2009 12:53:22 GMT,  wrote:
>>>
>>>>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>Yes, I do.  My reasons are probably not valid.  When I worked in a
>>>>>>hospital, we were offered the routine flu vaccine every year.  I
>>>>>>refused to have it and I did have pressure put on me which I resisted.
>>>>>>I was told that I had to protect the patients etc.  I have deep set
>>>>>>fears which may be totally irrational but I won't put a virus, albeit
>>>>>>a dead one, into my body.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Will you be giving up breathing, eating and drinking soon too?
>>>>
>>>>Everyone does, eventually.  Allegedly.
>>>
>>>Hopefully not *soon*.
>>>
>>>I had polio when I was a kid before polio vaccine was available.
>>>If people had the same attitude to vaccination as Judith and a few Dutch
>>>religious nutters, people would still be catching polio.
>>
>>The polio vaccine was tested for many years on many people as a
>>possible cure before it became a preventative about 10 years later.
>
>50 years ago.

The basis of vaccine trials are still the same.
>
>>The H1N1 has only been tested on a few people for a few months. That's
>>why many people think it may be risky.
>
>WHO don't think it's risky. Do you know something they don't?

As I said in my other message I am waiting for my GP and the medical
experts in my family to have the vaccine. In particular if my GP has
the vaccine I'll have it.

Steve

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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:23:36 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
 wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:04:21 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:18:07 -0000, "Ophelia"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Stephen Wolstenholme"  wrote in message
>>>news:48abe59qjifcg4009hnkgphd793du002uh@4ax.com...
>>>> The polio vaccine was tested for many years on many people as a
>>>> possible cure before it became a preventative about 10 years later.
>>>> The H1N1 has only been tested on a few people for a few months. That's
>>>> why many people think it may be risky.
>>>
>>>That is my concern, which is why I am asking.  I am in the high risk 
>>>category, having chronic asthma.  I have had the seasonal flu jag for many 
>>>years but I am a bit wary about this new one.
>>
>>Google the WHO site and ignore the inexpert spreading rumours.
>
>That's OK but I have three very well qualified medical experts in my
>family. Only one of them is having the H1N1 vaccination. I have
>decided to trust my GP. When he has the vaccine I'll have it too.
>Yesterday he was still undecided.

If you don't trust the WHO better to keep well away from doctors and your GP.
-- 

Martin

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:31:58 +0000, Sacha  wrote:

>On 2009-10-26 17:05:07 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:23:46 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2009-10-26 13:34:18 +0000, "graham"  said:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:ca8be5d4pmu265990okb7gqs1sqtg66g8s@4ax.com...
>>>>> On 26 Oct 2009 12:53:22 GMT,  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yes, I do.  My reasons are probably not valid.  When I worked in a
>>>>>>>> hospital, we were offered the routine flu vaccine every year.  I
>>>>>>>> refused to have it and I did have pressure put on me which I resisted.
>>>>>>>> I was told that I had to protect the patients etc.  I have deep set
>>>>>>>> fears which may be totally irrational but I won't put a virus, albeit
>>>>>>>> a dead one, into my body.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Will you be giving up breathing, eating and drinking soon too?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Everyone does, eventually.  Allegedly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hopefully not *soon*.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had polio when I was a kid before polio vaccine was available.
>>>>> If people had the same attitude to vaccination as Judith and a few Dutch
>>>>> religious nutters, people would still be catching polio.
>>>>> --
>>>> And smallpox!
>>>> AIUI, "vaccinate" is a word specifically for smallpox.  "Inoculate" is for
>>>> all the other diseases.  Funny how language developes.
>>>> Graham
>>> 
>>> I wonder if that's because the original smallpox vaccine came from
>>> cowpox inoculations.  Isn't the Latin for 'cow' vacca, or something
>>> similar?
>> 
>> It's "inent" in Dutch dunno why though.
>
>Which is 'inent'?  Cow or vaccination?

All of them, except moo moos en koeien :o)
-- 

Martin

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:35:58 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:23:36 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:04:21 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:18:07 -0000, "Ophelia"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Stephen Wolstenholme"  wrote in message
>>>>news:48abe59qjifcg4009hnkgphd793du002uh@4ax.com...
>>>>> The polio vaccine was tested for many years on many people as a
>>>>> possible cure before it became a preventative about 10 years later.
>>>>> The H1N1 has only been tested on a few people for a few months. That's
>>>>> why many people think it may be risky.
>>>>
>>>>That is my concern, which is why I am asking.  I am in the high risk 
>>>>category, having chronic asthma.  I have had the seasonal flu jag for many 
>>>>years but I am a bit wary about this new one.
>>>
>>>Google the WHO site and ignore the inexpert spreading rumours.
>>
>>That's OK but I have three very well qualified medical experts in my
>>family. Only one of them is having the H1N1 vaccination. I have
>>decided to trust my GP. When he has the vaccine I'll have it too.
>>Yesterday he was still undecided.
>
>If you don't trust the WHO better to keep well away from doctors and your GP.

I have read the WHO report about the safety of the H1N1 vaccine. It is
a few months old and predates the trials. The WHO also report that
they never found out why the 1976 swine flue vaccine was associated
with a five fold increase in GBS and so was withdrawn. I can't find
the latest trial results so I am leaving the decision up to my GP. If
he has the vaccine, I will too.

Steve

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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:50:11 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
 wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:35:58 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:23:36 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:04:21 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:18:07 -0000, "Ophelia"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Stephen Wolstenholme"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:48abe59qjifcg4009hnkgphd793du002uh@4ax.com...
>>>>>> The polio vaccine was tested for many years on many people as a
>>>>>> possible cure before it became a preventative about 10 years later.
>>>>>> The H1N1 has only been tested on a few people for a few months. That's
>>>>>> why many people think it may be risky.
>>>>>
>>>>>That is my concern, which is why I am asking.  I am in the high risk 
>>>>>category, having chronic asthma.  I have had the seasonal flu jag for many 
>>>>>years but I am a bit wary about this new one.
>>>>
>>>>Google the WHO site and ignore the inexpert spreading rumours.
>>>
>>>That's OK but I have three very well qualified medical experts in my
>>>family. Only one of them is having the H1N1 vaccination. I have
>>>decided to trust my GP. When he has the vaccine I'll have it too.
>>>Yesterday he was still undecided.
>>
>>If you don't trust the WHO better to keep well away from doctors and your GP.
>
>I have read the WHO report about the safety of the H1N1 vaccine. It is
>a few months old and predates the trials. 

I read what is on the WHO website now
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/notes/pandemic_influenza_vaccines_20090924/en/index.html
"Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 briefing note 11

...



24 SEPTEMBER 2009

"Vaccine safety 

National regulatory authorities for medicines carefully examine the known and
suspected risks and benefits of any vaccine prior to its licensing. Because the
pandemic virus is new, both non-clinical and clinical trials are being conducted
to gain essential information on immune response and safety. Outcomes of trials
completed to date suggest that pandemic vaccines are as safe as seasonal
influenza vaccines. 

Side effects are expected to be similar to those observed with seasonal
influenza vaccines. Common side effects include local reactions at the injection
site (soreness, swelling, redness) and possibly some systemic reactions (fever,
headache, muscle or joint aches). In almost all vaccine recipients, these
symptoms are mild, self-limited and last 1-2 days. 

However, even very large clinical trials will not be able to identify possible
rare events that can occur when pandemic vaccines are administered to many
millions of people. 

WHO advises all countries administering pandemic vaccines to conduct intensive
monitoring for safety and to report adverse events. Many countries already have
systems for monitoring vaccine safety in place. 

International sharing of data from such post-marketing surveillance will be
vital in guiding risk-benefit assessments and determining whether changes in
vaccination policies are needed. WHO has developed standardized protocols for
data collection and reporting in real-time, and will communicate findings to the
international community via its web site."

>The WHO also report that
>they never found out why the 1976 swine flue vaccine was associated
>with a five fold increase in GBS and so was withdrawn. I can't find
>the latest trial results so I am leaving the decision up to my GP. If
>he has the vaccine, I will too.

The problem is to know if your GP is an expert on vaccines.

80% of Dutch medical staff are rumoured in the Dutch press to be not having the
vaccine. However I'd guess 95% of medical staff anywhere know SFA about
vaccines.
-- 

Martin

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:28:28 +0000, Sacha  wrote:

>On 2009-10-26 17:39:23 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:31:58 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2009-10-26 17:05:07 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:23:46 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2009-10-26 13:34:18 +0000, "graham"  said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ca8be5d4pmu265990okb7gqs1sqtg66g8s@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2009 12:53:22 GMT,  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I do.  My reasons are probably not valid.  When I worked in a
>>>>>>>>>> hospital, we were offered the routine flu vaccine every year.  I
>>>>>>>>>> refused to have it and I did have pressure put on me which I resisted.
>>>>>>>>>> I was told that I had to protect the patients etc.  I have deep set
>>>>>>>>>> fears which may be totally irrational but I won't put a virus, albeit
>>>>>>>>>> a dead one, into my body.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Will you be giving up breathing, eating and drinking soon too?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Everyone does, eventually.  Allegedly.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hopefully not *soon*.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I had polio when I was a kid before polio vaccine was available.
>>>>>>> If people had the same attitude to vaccination as Judith and a few Dutch
>>>>>>> religious nutters, people would still be catching polio.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> And smallpox!
>>>>>> AIUI, "vaccinate" is a word specifically for smallpox.  "Inoculate" is for
>>>>>> all the other diseases.  Funny how language developes.
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder if that's because the original smallpox vaccine came from
>>>>> cowpox inoculations.  Isn't the Latin for 'cow' vacca, or something
>>>>> similar?
>>>> 
>>>> It's "inent" in Dutch dunno why though.
>>> 
>>> Which is 'inent'?  Cow or vaccination?
>> 
>> All of them, except moo moos en koeien :o)
>
>Well, if you can't tell a cow from a hypodermic I'm certainly not 
>getting injections in Holland!

All Creatures Great and Small comes to mind.
-- 

Martin

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:14:20 +0100, "Tim C." 
wrote:

>So, if you receive a vaccine, you are vaccinated. If you receive an
>inoculation, do you become innocuous? 

I'm sure you know, but I'll say it anyway... you're inoculated.

-- 
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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Tue 27 Oct 2009 10:22:10p, sf told us...

> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:14:20 +0100, "Tim C." 
> wrote:
> 
>>So, if you receive a vaccine, you are vaccinated. If you receive an
>>inoculation, do you become innocuous? 
> 
> I'm sure you know, but I'll say it anyway... you're inoculated.
> 

Well, some might be innocuous, and some may be obnoxious.

-- 

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        ~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~ 

**********************************************************

                     Wayne Boatwright

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:22:10 -0700, sf wrote in post :
<news:a6lfe5h6m0kasajuro61ka46co5v39edh7@4ax.com> :

> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:14:20 +0100, "Tim C." 
> wrote:
> 
>>So, if you receive a vaccine, you are vaccinated. If you receive an
>>inoculation, do you become innocuous? 
> 
> I'm sure you know, but I'll say it anyway... you're inoculated.

I was joking :-)

-- 
Tim C.

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:52:21 +0100, "Tim C."  wrote:

>On 26 Oct 2009 13:36:58 GMT, vicky@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk wrote in post :
><news:7klmvqF31obk0U2@mid.individual.net> :
>
>>  I just worry about the over-
>> medication of the world, adding more and more random chemicals to people
>> and giving their immune systems no reason to learn to kick in.
>
>A valid thing to worry about. Especially food additives, pesticides and
>general pollution of all sorts etc. 
>
>But vaccines do just that - give the immune system a chance to kick in and
>learn on its own, sort of like a mock 'O' level, before the real thing
>comes along. 

for those still arrive who remember what O levels were? :)
-- 

Martin

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:52:05 +0100, Martin wrote in post :
<news:vjmge5d5oc5nvdmllm12p8rgrls39t9q24@4ax.com> :

> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:52:21 +0100, "Tim C."  wrote:
> 
>>On 26 Oct 2009 13:36:58 GMT, vicky@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk wrote in post :
>><news:7klmvqF31obk0U2@mid.individual.net> :
>>
>>>  I just worry about the over-
>>> medication of the world, adding more and more random chemicals to people
>>> and giving their immune systems no reason to learn to kick in.
>>
>>A valid thing to worry about. Especially food additives, pesticides and
>>general pollution of all sorts etc. 
>>
>>But vaccines do just that - give the immune system a chance to kick in and
>>learn on its own, sort of like a mock 'O' level, before the real thing
>>comes along. 
> 
> for those still arrive who remember what O levels were? :)

Ahem, yes, well.  

-- 
Tim C.

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:07:38 +0000, "Mike.. .  ."
 wrote:

>Following up to Adrian Tupper 
>
>> And when the doctor asked me for a sample I though he was taking the ...
>
>could be worse

Idiot, coward, troll.

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:24:11 +0100, "Tim C." 
wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:22:10 -0700, sf wrote in post :
><news:a6lfe5h6m0kasajuro61ka46co5v39edh7@4ax.com> :
>
>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:14:20 +0100, "Tim C." 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>So, if you receive a vaccine, you are vaccinated. If you receive an
>>>inoculation, do you become innocuous? 
>> 
>> I'm sure you know, but I'll say it anyway... you're inoculated.
>
>I was joking :-)

I know, but it was pretty bad.

-- 
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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:30:51 -0700, sf wrote in post :
<news:k0lhe5p4bruq9hveut2peur6a9hmom5s2l@4ax.com> :

> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:24:11 +0100, "Tim C." 
> wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:22:10 -0700, sf wrote in post :
>><news:a6lfe5h6m0kasajuro61ka46co5v39edh7@4ax.com> :
>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:14:20 +0100, "Tim C." 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>So, if you receive a vaccine, you are vaccinated. If you receive an
>>>>inoculation, do you become innocuous? 
>>> 
>>> I'm sure you know, but I'll say it anyway... you're inoculated.
>>
>>I was joking :-)
> 
> I know, but it was pretty bad.
 
Thankyou :-) 
-- 
Tim C.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:59:41 +0100, "Tim C." 
wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:30:51 -0700, sf wrote in post :
><news:k0lhe5p4bruq9hveut2peur6a9hmom5s2l@4ax.com> :
>
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:24:11 +0100, "Tim C." 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:22:10 -0700, sf wrote in post :
>>><news:a6lfe5h6m0kasajuro61ka46co5v39edh7@4ax.com> :
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:14:20 +0100, "Tim C." 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>So, if you receive a vaccine, you are vaccinated. If you receive an
>>>>>inoculation, do you become innocuous? 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm sure you know, but I'll say it anyway... you're inoculated.
>>>
>>>I was joking :-)
>> 
>> I know, but it was pretty bad.
> 
>Thankyou :-) 

<laugh!>

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On 04 Nov 2009 16:38:48 GMT, Adrian Tupper wrote in post :
<news:Xns9CB9A95F922AFniceguyonzetnet@194.247.47.119> :

> "Mike.. .  ."  wrote in 
> news:vdhrbjoe5r53.90vdhsjfhshf.dlg@40tude.net:
> 
>> Following up to Adrian Tupper 
>> 
>>>> I believe you! Did you still get your million bonus this year?
>>> 
>>> I think you're confusing me with someone else!
>> 
>> we all know bankers all get £1m bonuses minimum, can you lend us a fiver,
>> guv?
> 
> Yes, of course.  Here are the terms: 5 year loan, no early repayments, APR 
> 29.5%.  Now, if you'll just sign here...

You're a natural!  :-) 

-- 
Tim C.