Folks,

What with the clocks going back and all that I thought I'd try my hand
at pickling (vegetables, not myself). The local farmers' market does a
great (if somewhat overpriced) "bread and butter pickle" which I've
found some recipes for.

Found some of these preserving jars at the local cookshop that have a
lid that splits into two and has a rubber seal:

http://www.cookability.biz/home-discovery-preserving-jars/b_697.htm

They come with exhaustive (tiresome?!) instructions on how to use
them, but I had a random question: are you supposed to let the jar
cool before adding the pickle mixture?

Cheers
Richard

On Oct 25, 2:01 pm, Richard Dixon  wrote:
> Folks,
>
> What with the clocks going back and all that I thought I'd try my hand
> at pickling (vegetables, not myself). The local farmers' market does a
> great (if somewhat overpriced) "bread and butter pickle" which I've
> found some recipes for.
>
> Found some of these preserving jars at the local cookshop that have a
> lid that splits into two and has a rubber seal:
>
> http://www.cookability.biz/home-discovery-preserving-jars/b_697.htm
>
> They come with exhaustive (tiresome?!) instructions on how to use
> them, but I had a random question: are you supposed to let the jar
> cool before adding the pickle mixture?
>
> Cheers
> Richard

Nope Richard it could crack.  I wash my jars in the dishwasher and
then put into an oven at 100 degress for half an hour.  I then pour in
the boiling mixture and cap on immediately ensuring the lot is
sterile.

Judith

On Oct 25, 2:01 pm, Richard Dixon  wrote:
> Folks,
>
> What with the clocks going back and all that I thought I'd try my hand
> at pickling (vegetables, not myself). The local farmers' market does a
> great (if somewhat overpriced) "bread and butter pickle" which I've
> found some recipes for.
>
> Found some of these preserving jars at the local cookshop that have a
> lid that splits into two and has a rubber seal:
>
> http://www.cookability.biz/home-discovery-preserving-jars/b_697.htm
>
> They come with exhaustive (tiresome?!) instructions on how to use
> them, but I had a random question: are you supposed to let the jar
> cool before adding the pickle mixture?
>


Cheers
> Richard

Also meant to say those jars are a bit expensive, you can buy Kilner
jars secondhand and I have often found them in charity shops for a few
pence.  New seals can be purchased easily.

Judith

On 25 Oct, 14:26, Judith in France 
wrote:

> Nope Richard it could crack.  I wash my jars in the dishwasher and
> then put into an oven at 100 degress for half an hour.  I then pour in
> the boiling mixture and cap on immediately ensuring the lot is
> sterile.

What would you suggest for dishwasherless me? Just boil the jars?

Re: your other comment - these were £1.50 a pop so yes a bit steep,
will have a nose around for kilner jars, thanks for the tip.

Richard

The message

from Richard Dixon  contains these words:


> What would you suggest for dishwasherless me? Just boil the jars?

  No need. Just wash them in the sink in hot soapy water, rinse in 
clean water and drain, then stand the damp jars shoulder to shoulder  in
a roasting tin and place it in an ordinary 
oven at 130 C for 20 mins to sterilise them.  It's much easier  than
boiling them.

  I do boil metal lids, in a saucepan, a few mins will do, then drain
the pan  and tip them out on a clean teatowel.

   When you want to fill the hot jars, its useful to stand them on clean
 newspaper; no dribble  mess to clean up.  Clap the lids on straight
away. 

   Using very clean , sterile , hot jars and closing them asap  reduces
the chance of airborn spores growing as  mould on the contents. It's
worth the faff. 

   Janet

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:01:45 -0700 (PDT), Richard Dixon 
wrote:

>Folks,
>
>What with the clocks going back and all that I thought I'd try my hand
>at pickling (vegetables, not myself). The local farmers' market does a
>great (if somewhat overpriced) "bread and butter pickle" which I've
>found some recipes for.

My wife shopped in a monthly farmer's market in Wentworth near Sheffield
recently.

The result
o  "cheddar" that was like the mouse trap cheese sold just after WWII. Worse
still it tasted strongly of mold.
o Bread that was stale.
o Carrot cake that was if anything even staler than the bread.
-- 

Martin

On 25 Oct, 16:15, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:

> The result
> o  "cheddar" that was like the mouse trap cheese sold just after WWII. Worse
> still it tasted strongly of mold.
> o Bread that was stale.
> o Carrot cake that was if anything even staler than the bread.

So - will you ever visit a farmers' market again after that?

Thankfully I don't have that issue down at the Blackheath FM - very
fresh bread this morning that make excellent toast, some chicken
sausages with sage - that'll be an interesting one, and some very ripe
vine tomatoes that'll get doused in balsamic and salt.

Richard

On 25 Oct, 15:15, Janet Baraclough 
wrote:

>   I do boil metal lids, in a saucepan, a few mins will do, then drain
> the pan  and tip them out on a clean teatowel.
>
>    When you want to fill the hot jars, its useful to stand them on clean
>  newspaper; no dribble  mess to clean up.  Clap the lids on straight
> away.

Thanks Janet - just noticed it says re: the lids not to boil them but
at 82c as they have an impregnated rubber ring. Guess I'll drop them
in recently-boiled water...

Here we go...!

Richard

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:21:52 -0700 (PDT), Richard Dixon 
wrote:

>On 25 Oct, 16:15, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The result
>> o  "cheddar" that was like the mouse trap cheese sold just after WWII. Worse
>> still it tasted strongly of mold.
>> o Bread that was stale.
>> o Carrot cake that was if anything even staler than the bread.
>
>So - will you ever visit a farmers' market again after that?

We won't visit that one again. If we lived there we would have contacted the
trading standards officer.
I'd wondered for some time why odd shaped bits of cheese were sold in some
markets. Pieces cut out of cheese that should have been binned?

>
>Thankfully I don't have that issue down at the Blackheath FM - very
>fresh bread this morning that make excellent toast, some chicken
>sausages with sage - that'll be an interesting one, and some very ripe
>vine tomatoes that'll get doused in balsamic and salt.

That's sounds normal and what we expect.
-- 

Martin

On Oct 25, 3:32 pm, Richard Dixon  wrote:
> On 25 Oct, 14:26, Judith in France 
> wrote:
>
> > Nope Richard it could crack.  I wash my jars in the dishwasher and
> > then put into an oven at 100 degress for half an hour.  I then pour in
> > the boiling mixture and cap on immediately ensuring the lot is
> > sterile.
>
> What would you suggest for dishwasherless me? Just boil the jars?
>
> Re: your other comment - these were £1.50 a pop so yes a bit steep,
> will have a nose around for kilner jars, thanks for the tip.
>
> Richard

Just wash and rinse and pop into the oven, I also put the caps in as
at that temperature, they don't distort.

Judith

On Oct 25, 5:22 pm, Richard Dixon  wrote:
> On 25 Oct, 15:15, Janet Baraclough 
> wrote:
>
> >   I do boil metal lids, in a saucepan, a few mins will do, then drain
> > the pan  and tip them out on a clean teatowel.
>
> >    When you want to fill the hot jars, its useful to stand them on clean
> >  newspaper; no dribble  mess to clean up.  Clap the lids on straight
> > away.
>
> Thanks Janet - just noticed it says re: the lids not to boil them but
> at 82c as they have an impregnated rubber ring. Guess I'll drop them
> in recently-boiled water...
>
> Here we go...!
>
> Richard

So have mine Richard, in the oven at 100 degrees will not affect it, I
have done this for years.

Judith

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:28:47 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
 wrote:

>On Oct 25, 3:32 pm, Richard Dixon  wrote:
>> On 25 Oct, 14:26, Judith in France 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Nope Richard it could crack.  I wash my jars in the dishwasher and
>> > then put into an oven at 100 degress for half an hour.  I then pour in
>> > the boiling mixture and cap on immediately ensuring the lot is
>> > sterile.
>>
>> What would you suggest for dishwasherless me? Just boil the jars?
>>
>> Re: your other comment - these were £1.50 a pop so yes a bit steep,
>> will have a nose around for kilner jars, thanks for the tip.
>>
>> Richard
>
>Just wash and rinse and pop into the oven, I also put the caps in as
>at that temperature, they don't distort.

Weren't jars full of curry sauce substantially cheaper in Morrisons than empty
jars with tops elsewhere?

Incidentally my wife re-uses old Branston Pickle jars and their lids. There is
no taste of Branston Pickles transmitted to the new contents.
-- 

Martin

On 25 Oct, 17:29, Judith in France 
wrote:

> So have mine Richard, in the oven at 100 degrees will not affect it, I
> have done this for years.

In the end I boiled the rubber sealed tops, so fingers crossed. A
slightly blurry jarred product is here:

http://tinyurl.com/yju3hl9

One for me, one for the folks and sister for Xmas...

Next week: piccalilli...!!

Richard

"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
news:d4u8e5ta0j7g79tacqnrpv6on4hfr9gdcr@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:01:45 -0700 (PDT), Richard Dixon 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>Folks,
>>
>>What with the clocks going back and all that I thought I'd try my hand
>>at pickling (vegetables, not myself). The local farmers' market does a
>>great (if somewhat overpriced) "bread and butter pickle" which I've
>>found some recipes for.
>
> My wife shopped in a monthly farmer's market in Wentworth near Sheffield
> recently.
>
> The result
> o  "cheddar" that was like the mouse trap cheese sold just after WWII. 
> Worse
> still it tasted strongly of mold.

I experienced the same thing a couple of years ago at a pre-xmas "fayre" 
near Ipswich.  The farmhouse cheddar was being sold by the maker and they 
had some cubed for tasting and on that basis I bought a ready packed piece. 
When my Dad & I tried some later that day we both spat it out immediately.
On this side of the pond, that selling technique is called "Bait & Switch"!
Graham

"Janet Baraclough"  wrote in message 
news:31303030393032394AE46BA438@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message
> 
> from Richard Dixon  contains these words:
>
>
>> What would you suggest for dishwasherless me? Just boil the jars?
>
>  No need. Just wash them in the sink in hot soapy water, rinse in
> clean water and drain, then stand the damp jars shoulder to shoulder  in
> a roasting tin and place it in an ordinary
> oven at 130 C for 20 mins to sterilise them.  It's much easier  than
> boiling them.
>
>  I do boil metal lids, in a saucepan, a few mins will do, then drain
> the pan  and tip them out on a clean teatowel.
>
>   When you want to fill the hot jars, its useful to stand them on clean
> newspaper; no dribble  mess to clean up.  Clap the lids on straight
> away.
>
>   Using very clean , sterile , hot jars and closing them asap  reduces
> the chance of airborn spores growing as  mould on the contents. It's
> worth the faff.
>
I use the same technique for jam making and as the jam is at a significantly 
higher temp than 100C, it's perfectly safe.  On this side of the pond, all 
the books and recipes for jam making instuct one to "process" the filled 
jars, i.e., submerge the filled jars in boiling water for anything up to 20 
minutes!  That's not only overkill, it can overcook the jam.
Graham

On 25 Oct, 17:43, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:

> Incidentally my wife re-uses old Branston Pickle jars and their lids. There is
> no taste of Branston Pickles transmitted to the new contents.

I'll start saving jars methinks - sounds like the manufacturers of
these type of jars will insist (either for health and safety or to get
you to buy more) on never re-using the jars...

Cheers,
Richard

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:45:16 -0600, "graham"  wrote:

>
>"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:d4u8e5ta0j7g79tacqnrpv6on4hfr9gdcr@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:01:45 -0700 (PDT), Richard Dixon 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Folks,
>>>
>>>What with the clocks going back and all that I thought I'd try my hand
>>>at pickling (vegetables, not myself). The local farmers' market does a
>>>great (if somewhat overpriced) "bread and butter pickle" which I've
>>>found some recipes for.
>>
>> My wife shopped in a monthly farmer's market in Wentworth near Sheffield
>> recently.
>>
>> The result
>> o  "cheddar" that was like the mouse trap cheese sold just after WWII. 
>> Worse
>> still it tasted strongly of mold.
>
>I experienced the same thing a couple of years ago at a pre-xmas "fayre" 
>near Ipswich.  The farmhouse cheddar was being sold by the maker and they 
>had some cubed for tasting and on that basis I bought a ready packed piece. 
>When my Dad & I tried some later that day we both spat it out immediately.
>On this side of the pond, that selling technique is called "Bait & Switch"!

Mouse trap cheese is the ideal substance. :o)

Although I spat it out too, I had a blister on the roof of my mouth afterwards.

There was a warning on a recent food programme about eating moldy cheese.
At the time I thought 50 years too late :)
-- 

Martin

In article , Martin
<me@address.invalid> writes
>On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:28:47 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
> wrote:
>
>>On Oct 25, 3:32 pm, Richard Dixon  wrote:
>>> On 25 Oct, 14:26, Judith in France 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Nope Richard it could crack.  I wash my jars in the dishwasher and
>>> > then put into an oven at 100 degress for half an hour.  I then pour in
>>> > the boiling mixture and cap on immediately ensuring the lot is
>>> > sterile.
>>>
>>> What would you suggest for dishwasherless me? Just boil the jars?
>>>
>>> Re: your other comment - these were £1.50 a pop so yes a bit steep,
>>> will have a nose around for kilner jars, thanks for the tip.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>
>>Just wash and rinse and pop into the oven, I also put the caps in as
>>at that temperature, they don't distort.
>
>Weren't jars full of curry sauce substantially cheaper in Morrisons than empty
>jars with tops elsewhere?
>
>Incidentally my wife re-uses old Branston Pickle jars and their lids. There is
>no taste of Branston Pickles transmitted to the new contents.

Certainly there are lots of Eastern european pickled stuff in Lidl and
Aldi that are cheaper than empty jars - I use them when I need some.

On 25 Oct, 18:34, Kev Crocombe  wrote:

> Certainly there are lots of Eastern european pickled stuff in Lidl and
> Aldi that are cheaper than empty jars - I use them when I need some.

Thanks Kev - I keep meaning to hunt down the nearest Aldi to see
what's there so will definitely bear it in mind.

Richard

Richard Dixon wrote:
> 
> On 25 Oct, 14:26, Judith in France 
> wrote:
> 
> > Nope Richard it could crack.  I wash my jars in the dishwasher and
> > then put into an oven at 100 degress for half an hour.  I then pour in
> > the boiling mixture and cap on immediately ensuring the lot is
> > sterile.
> 
> What would you suggest for dishwasherless me? Just boil the jars?
> 
> Re: your other comment - these were £1.50 a pop so yes a bit steep,
> will have a nose around for kilner jars, thanks for the tip.
> 
> Richard


We boil our jars (in a very large pot reserved for the purpose), but not
the lids. The jars are kept in simmering water until ready to fill,
upended on a clean tea towel for a couple of seconds, flipped over, then
filled and capped while hot. The screwtop lids (with rubber rings
attached inside) are dropped into boiling water, and the heat turned off
right after. It's quicker for us than putting things in the oven.

Judith in France  wrote:
> Nope Richard it could crack.  I wash my jars in the dishwasher and

I've given up with the dishwasher, most of the items (particularly mugs,
I've found) are coming out dirtier (and with more baked-on dirt!) than
when they went in.  I ran a dishwasher cleaner through it, which did
nothing, then I ran a /really nasty/ dishwasher cleaner through it
(Finish, iirc) and it was good for one wash, then it started mucking up
my cups again.  :-<
I think it may be something to look out for in the January sales next
year.

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> Weren't jars full of curry sauce substantially cheaper in Morrisons than empty
> jars with tops elsewhere?

Wouldn't fancy curry flavoured jam ...

graham  wrote:
> On this side of the pond, that selling technique is called "Bait & Switch"!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_in_a_poke

On 26 Oct 2009 11:08:30 GMT,  wrote:

>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>> Weren't jars full of curry sauce substantially cheaper in Morrisons than empty
>> jars with tops elsewhere?
>
>Wouldn't fancy curry flavoured jam ...

They don't produce curry flavoured jam if you empty & wash them first, any more
than plates which had curry on them transfer the taste to the next food you put
on the plate. 
-- 

Martin

On 26 Oct 2009 11:11:11 GMT,  wrote:

>graham  wrote:
>> On this side of the pond, that selling technique is called "Bait & Switch"!
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_in_a_poke

Not quite, but similar. This involves handing out free samples first. No
wriggling cats involved. I was caught once buying wine from a vineyard wine
tasting in Cochem in the Moselle valley.
-- 

Martin

Following up to vicky@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk 

> Wouldn't fancy curry flavoured jam ...

dunno, "chilli jam" is the popular term for a thick chilli sauce for
fishcakes at the moment 
-- 
Mike... .  .   .    .  
Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
remove clothing to email

On 2009-10-26 11:03:53 +0000,  said:

> Judith in France  wrote:
>> Nope Richard it could crack.  I wash my jars in the dishwasher and
> 
> I've given up with the dishwasher, most of the items (particularly mugs,
> I've found) are coming out dirtier (and with more baked-on dirt!) than
> when they went in.  I ran a dishwasher cleaner through it, which did
> nothing, then I ran a /really nasty/ dishwasher cleaner through it
> (Finish, iirc) and it was good for one wash, then it started mucking up
> my cups again.  :-<
> I think it may be something to look out for in the January sales next
> year.

Do you add dishwasher salt to it?  If you don't you get just what 
you've described.
-- 
Sacha

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>Wouldn't fancy curry flavoured jam ...
> 
> They don't produce curry flavoured jam if you empty & wash them first, any more
> than plates which had curry on them transfer the taste to the next food you put
> on the plate. 

You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.  I find
most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
then left with the lid on after they've dried), particularly things with
a tomato base.  I've not tried with curry sauce (since I don't like
curry, so there tends not to be empty curry jars around!) but I would
expcet it to be harder to clear than tomato, given it's a stronger
taste.

Sacha  wrote:
>> I've given up with the dishwasher, most of the items (particularly mugs,
>> I've found) are coming out dirtier (and with more baked-on dirt!) than
>> when they went in.  I ran a dishwasher cleaner through it, which did
>> nothing, then I ran a /really nasty/ dishwasher cleaner through it
>> (Finish, iirc) and it was good for one wash, then it started mucking up
>> my cups again.  :-<
>> I think it may be something to look out for in the January sales next
>> year.
> 
> Do you add dishwasher salt to it?  If you don't you get just what 
> you've described.

Yup.  Salt and rinse aid are topped up, I'm currently using ecover
tablets, but finish and, erm, whatever the other one was weren't any 
better.  I think we've just got clogged up dirt stuck somewhere,
probably with hair or a tissue or something lodged somewhere we can't
get to, and so the clean cleans the dirt out of the blockage but not the
blockage, if that makes sense.  So it just gets re-dirtied.

It's quite an old dishwasher now, we 'inheritted' it from my parnter's
parents and it was about 12 years old then, and we've had it 5 years
now!

On 26 Oct 2009 12:55:39 GMT,  wrote:

>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>Wouldn't fancy curry flavoured jam ...
>> 
>> They don't produce curry flavoured jam if you empty & wash them first, any more
>> than plates which had curry on them transfer the taste to the next food you put
>> on the plate. 
>
>You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am. 

Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele dish washer.

> I find
>most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>then left with the lid on after they've dried

and with the lid off?

>), particularly things with
>a tomato base.  I've not tried with curry sauce (since I don't like
>curry, so there tends not to be empty curry jars around!) but I would
>expcet it to be harder to clear than tomato, given it's a stronger
>taste.
-- 

Martin

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am. 
> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele dish washer.

Slightly older Miele ...

>> I find
>>most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>>then left with the lid on after they've dried
> and with the lid off?

With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on for
a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again.  And if I
leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid or
mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
useless.  

Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?

In article ,
vicky@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk writes
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>Wouldn't fancy curry flavoured jam ...
>> 
>> They don't produce curry flavoured jam if you empty & wash them first, any 
>more
>> than plates which had curry on them transfer the taste to the next food you 
>put
>> on the plate. 
>
>You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.  I find
>most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>then left with the lid on after they've dried), particularly things with
>a tomato base.  I've not tried with curry sauce (since I don't like
>curry, so there tends not to be empty curry jars around!) but I would
>expcet it to be harder to clear than tomato, given it's a stronger
>taste.
>

Have to agree with this - I keep separate shelves of jars for jams and
pickles/chutneys as the smell does seem very pervasive.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:59:10 +0000, Kev Crocombe 
wrote:

>In article ,
>vicky@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk writes
>>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>Wouldn't fancy curry flavoured jam ...
>>> 
>>> They don't produce curry flavoured jam if you empty & wash them first, any 
>>more
>>> than plates which had curry on them transfer the taste to the next food you 
>>put
>>> on the plate. 
>>
>>You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.  I find
>>most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>>then left with the lid on after they've dried), particularly things with
>>a tomato base.  I've not tried with curry sauce (since I don't like
>>curry, so there tends not to be empty curry jars around!) but I would
>>expcet it to be harder to clear than tomato, given it's a stronger
>>taste.
>>
>
>Have to agree with this - I keep separate shelves of jars for jams and
>pickles/chutneys as the smell does seem very pervasive.

OK
Have you actually re-used a pickle jar for jam and ended up with an odd tasting
jam or is this just theory?
-- 

Martin

On Oct 25, 5:43 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:28:47 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> >On Oct 25, 3:32 pm, Richard Dixon  wrote:
> >> On 25 Oct, 14:26, Judith in France 
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Nope Richard it could crack.  I wash my jars in the dishwasher and
> >> > then put into an oven at 100 degress for half an hour.  I then pour in
> >> > the boiling mixture and cap on immediately ensuring the lot is
> >> > sterile.
>
> >> What would you suggest for dishwasherless me? Just boil the jars?
>
> >> Re: your other comment - these were £1.50 a pop so yes a bit steep,
> >> will have a nose around for kilner jars, thanks for the tip.
>
> >> Richard
>
> >Just wash and rinse and pop into the oven, I also put the caps in as
> >at that temperature, they don't distort.
>
> Weren't jars full of curry sauce substantially cheaper in Morrisons than empty
> jars with tops elsewhere?
>
> Incidentally my wife re-uses old Branston Pickle jars and their lids. There is
> no taste of Branston Pickles transmitted to the new contents.
> --
>
> Martin

Dunno, I don't buy curry sauce!!  I use old jam jars when I run out of
"proper" jars, and also mint sauce jars, in fact any jar that is not
too big.  I prefer small jars of jam, pickle etc as I find I go off
it, if it has been open for a while.  I made relish and pickle within
the last couple of weeks, the courgette pickle is particularly good.

Judith

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:47:16 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
 wrote:

>On Oct 25, 5:43 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:28:47 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Oct 25, 3:32 pm, Richard Dixon  wrote:
>> >> On 25 Oct, 14:26, Judith in France 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Nope Richard it could crack.  I wash my jars in the dishwasher and
>> >> > then put into an oven at 100 degress for half an hour.  I then pour in
>> >> > the boiling mixture and cap on immediately ensuring the lot is
>> >> > sterile.
>>
>> >> What would you suggest for dishwasherless me? Just boil the jars?
>>
>> >> Re: your other comment - these were £1.50 a pop so yes a bit steep,
>> >> will have a nose around for kilner jars, thanks for the tip.
>>
>> >> Richard
>>
>> >Just wash and rinse and pop into the oven, I also put the caps in as
>> >at that temperature, they don't distort.
>>
>> Weren't jars full of curry sauce substantially cheaper in Morrisons than empty
>> jars with tops elsewhere?
>>
>> Incidentally my wife re-uses old Branston Pickle jars and their lids. There is
>> no taste of Branston Pickles transmitted to the new contents.
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>
>Dunno, I don't buy curry sauce!! 

Nor us :o)

>I use old jam jars when I run out of
>"proper" jars, and also mint sauce jars, in fact any jar that is not
>too big.  I prefer small jars of jam, pickle etc as I find I go off
>it, if it has been open for a while.  I made relish and pickle within
>the last couple of weeks, the courgette pickle is particularly good.


How is the pressure cooking going?

I noticed Lidl's Xmas puddings are made in Ireland and can be kept in a dry cool
place until 2011. 
-- 

Martin

On 2009-10-26 17:49:00 +0000, Judith in France 
 said:

> On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:
>> 
>>> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>>>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele dish
> washer.
>> 
>>> Slightly older Miele ...
>> 
>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended guara
> ntee
>> expired. Lucky or what?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>> I find
>>>>> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>>>>> then left with the lid on after they've dried
>>>> and with the lid off?
>> 
>>> With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on for
>>> a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again.  And if I
>>> leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid or
>>> mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>>> useless.  
>> 
>>> Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>> 
>> Maybe. In the summer  I could smell a nasty smell that I think the tabl
> ets leave
>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand washed
> glasses
>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped when
> the
>> weather got cooler.
>> --
>> 
>> Martin
> 
> I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
> sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
> 
> Judith

If you store them upside down they will take on the smell of the wood, 
plastic coating, whatever, they're on.  Store them open side up.
-- 
Sacha

On 2009-10-26 21:35:14 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:

> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:43 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
> 
>> On 2009-10-26 17:49:00 +0000, Judith in France
>>  said:
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>>>>>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele dish
>>> washer.
>>>> 
>>>>> Slightly older Miele ...
>>>> 
>>>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended guara
>>> ntee
>>>> expired. Lucky or what?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>> I find
>>>>>>> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>>>>>>> then left with the lid on after they've dried
>>>>>> and with the lid off?
>>>> 
>>>>> With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on for
>>>>> a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again.  And if I
>>>>> leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid or
>>>>> mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>>>>> useless.  
>>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe. In the summer  I could smell a nasty smell that I think the tabl
>>> ets leave
>>>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand washed
>>> glasses
>>>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped when
>>> the
>>>> weather got cooler.
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>>> sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
>>> 
>>> Judith
>> 
>> If you store them upside down they will take on the smell of the wood,
>> plastic coating, whatever, they're on.  Store them open side up.
> 
> On a stainless steel draining board? I don't think so :o)
> The smell is there before they are put in the cupboard, it's something created
> by bacteria or a chemical in the washing material.

Or the water pipes?  Chlorine? Something of that sort?
-- 
Sacha

On 2009-10-26 22:43:40 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:

> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:37 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
> 
>> On 2009-10-26 21:35:14 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:43 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2009-10-26 17:49:00 +0000, Judith in France
>>>>  said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>>>>>>>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele dish
>>>>> washer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Slightly older Miele ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended guara
>>>>> ntee
>>>>>> expired. Lucky or what?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I find
>>>>>>>>> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>>>>>>>>> then left with the lid on after they've dried
>>>>>>>> and with the lid off?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on for
>>>>>>> a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again.  And if I
>>>>>>> leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid or
>>>>>>> mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>>>>>>> useless.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe. In the summer  I could smell a nasty smell that I think the tabl
>>>>> ets leave
>>>>>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand washed
>>>>> glasses
>>>>>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped when
>>>>> the
>>>>>> weather got cooler.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>> 
>>>>> I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>>>>> sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Judith
>>>> 
>>>> If you store them upside down they will take on the smell of the wood,
>>>> plastic coating, whatever, they're on.  Store them open side up.
>>> 
>>> On a stainless steel draining board? I don't think so :o)
>>> The smell is there before they are put in the cupboard, it's something created
>>> by bacteria or a chemical in the washing material.
>> 
>> Or the water pipes?  Chlorine? Something of that sort?
> 
> The water isn't chlorinated in Holland just filtered after it is pumped out of
> the dunes. The smell was the same here as it was in Sheffield where the 
> water is
> chlorinated. It was the smell of bad eggs.

Obviously they're getting their water from the Aeolian islands!
-- 
Sacha

The message 
from  contains these words:

> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> >>Wouldn't fancy curry flavoured jam ...
> > 
> > They don't produce curry flavoured jam if you empty & wash them
> > first, any more
> > than plates which had curry on them transfer the taste to the next
> > food you put
> > on the plate. 

> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.  I find
> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
> then left with the lid on after they've dried), particularly things with
> a tomato base.  I've not tried with curry sauce (since I don't like
> curry, so there tends not to be empty curry jars around!) but I would
> expcet it to be harder to clear than tomato, given it's a stronger
> taste.

   I can always smell  the previous savoury/ spicy contents, on scrubbed
 metal lids . Not, on cleaned  jam/honey lids or  the (cleaned) glass 
jars themselves

   You can buy  different sizes of of new replacement lids, screw and
pop-on,  and use them on old glass jars.

   Lakeland sell lids. 

    Janet

In article , Martin
<me@address.invalid> writes
>On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:59:10 +0000, Kev Crocombe 
>wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>>vicky@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk writes
>>>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>Wouldn't fancy curry flavoured jam ...
>>>> 
>>>> They don't produce curry flavoured jam if you empty & wash them first, any 
>>>more
>>>> than plates which had curry on them transfer the taste to the next food you 
>>>put
>>>> on the plate. 
>>>
>>>You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.  I find
>>>most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed and
>>>then left with the lid on after they've dried), particularly things with
>>>a tomato base.  I've not tried with curry sauce (since I don't like
>>>curry, so there tends not to be empty curry jars around!) but I would
>>>expcet it to be harder to clear than tomato, given it's a stronger
>>>taste.
>>>
>>
>>Have to agree with this - I keep separate shelves of jars for jams and
>>pickles/chutneys as the smell does seem very pervasive.
>
>OK
>Have you actually re-used a pickle jar for jam and ended up with an odd tasting
>jam or is this just theory?

I doesn't seem to taint the jam - but you can still smell the vinegar
when you sniff the jam in the jar...if you see what I mean...its just
easier not to.

On 2009-10-26 23:16:22 +0000, "graham"  said:

> 
> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ec9ce5hr0bdks8uc65scecqn6m64f8bat3@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:37 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2009-10-26 21:35:14 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:43 +0000, Sacha  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2009-10-26 17:49:00 +0000, Judith in France
>>>>>  said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 4:22 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2009 13:33:21 GMT,  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You're obviously a lot better at cleaning jars than I am.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe we have a better dish washer? We have an 11 year old Miele
>>>>>>>>> dish
>>>>>> washer.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Slightly older Miele ...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ours got a new heater element a couple of weeks before the extended
>>>>>>> guara
>>>>>> ntee
>>>>>>> expired. Lucky or what?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I find
>>>>>>>>>> most things leave a residual smell (especially if they are washed
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> then left with the lid on after they've dried
>>>>>>>>> and with the lid off?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> With the lids off they smell less, but once the lid has been put on
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> a while (day or so) the smell seems to have built up again. And if I
>>>>>>>> leave the lid off when I pack things away I invariably lose the lid
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> mix up different similar sized lids until the whole set of jars is
>>>>>>>> useless.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Perhaps I just have an over-sensitive nose?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Maybe. In the summer I could smell a nasty smell that I think the
>>>>>>> tabl
>>>>>> ets leave
>>>>>>> on glasses. My son gets the same smell when he leaves normal hand
>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>> glasses
>>>>>>> to dry on the draining board. Maybe caused by bacteria?? It stopped
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> weather got cooler.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I notice that too and I have frequently rinsed out a glass which is
>>>>>> sparkling clean but has an odd smell?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Judith
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you store them upside down they will take on the smell of the wood,
>>>>> plastic coating, whatever, they're on.  Store them open side up.
>>>> 
>>>> On a stainless steel draining board? I don't think so :o)
>>>> The smell is there before they are put in the cupboard, it's something
>>>> created
>>>> by bacteria or a chemical in the washing material.
>>> 
>>> Or the water pipes?  Chlorine? Something of that sort?
>> 
>> The water isn't chlorinated in Holland just filtered after it is pumped
>> out of
>> the dunes. The smell was the same here as it was in Sheffield where the
>> water is
>> chlorinated. It was the smell of bad eggs.
>> -- 
> That's H2S, not Chlorine.
> Graham 

The chlorine was my suggestion as we got it here until we had a filter 
put onto the pipe where it enters the house.  Martin says the smell 
they get on glassware isn't that but more like sulphur which suggests 
water from some kind of spring source.  In the Netherlands is that 
likely - I have no real knowledge but a bit of googling seems to 
suggests that there is sulphur present in the water there, or am I 
misunderstanding?
 -- 
Sacha

On Oct 26, 6:09 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:47:16 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> >On Oct 25, 5:43 pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:28:47 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
>
> >>  wrote:
> >> >On Oct 25, 3:32 pm, Richard Dixon  wrote:
> >> >> On 25 Oct, 14:26, Judith in France 
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> > Nope Richard it could crack.  I wash my jars in the dishwasher and
> >> >> > then put into an oven at 100 degress for half an hour.  I then pour in
> >> >> > the boiling mixture and cap on immediately ensuring the lot is
> >> >> > sterile.
>
> >> >> What would you suggest for dishwasherless me? Just boil the jars?
>
> >> >> Re: your other comment - these were £1.50 a pop so yes a bit steep,
> >> >> will have a nose around for kilner jars, thanks for the tip.
>
> >> >> Richard
>
> >> >Just wash and rinse and pop into the oven, I also put the caps in as
> >> >at that temperature, they don't distort.
>
> >> Weren't jars full of curry sauce substantially cheaper in Morrisons than empty
> >> jars with tops elsewhere?
>
> >> Incidentally my wife re-uses old Branston Pickle jars and their lids. There is
> >> no taste of Branston Pickles transmitted to the new contents.
> >> --
>
> >> Martin
>
> >Dunno, I don't buy curry sauce!!
>
> Nor us :o)
>
> >I use old jam jars when I run out of
> >"proper" jars, and also mint sauce jars, in fact any jar that is not
> >too big.  I prefer small jars of jam, pickle etc as I find I go off
> >it, if it has been open for a while.  I made relish and pickle within
> >the last couple of weeks, the courgette pickle is particularly good.
>
> How is the pressure cooking going?
>
> I noticed Lidl's Xmas puddings are made in Ireland and can be kept in a dry cool
> place until 2011.
> --
>
> Martin

I am enjoying it!  I made green tomato chutney in it, it was great!!
I notice that the aluminum was pretty clean when I washed it
afterwards, the result of the acid no doubt.  I wonder if there is a
risk to health with that?  Is there one made with a non stick surface?

I used to make my Christmas Puddings and enjoyed it until I was given
some and thought it was homemade, it wasn't, it was Marks and Sparks.
Have you tried the Lidl one?  If you recommend it, I will certainly
try it, no doubt it contains Guinness?

Judith

On 2009-10-27 20:50:33 +0000, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:

> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:33:11 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
>  wrote:
> <snip>
>>> 
>>> Yes the glasses look physically clean but smell of hydrogen sulphide.
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Martin
>> 
>> My dishwasher is very new, so there is not a possibility of it being
>> clogged up with grease build up.  Furthermore it is in a position
>> where the exit is in a new place, new pipe, so no build up of fat.  In
>> England I used to clean mine regularly with a special preparation,
>> running it on very hot and empty.  I have no idea what causes it, it's
>> run every day, sometimes when we have friends round I have to run it
>> twice in 24 hours.  It would be interesting to find out.  I wondered
>> if it was something to do with the chemicals in the dishwasher
>> tablets?
> 
> I think it is to do with the chemicals in the dishwasher tablets, which must
> also be used in washing up liquid.

Try something like Ecover.
-- 
Sacha

Sacha  wrote:
>> I think it is to do with the chemicals in the dishwasher tablets, which must
>> also be used in washing up liquid.
> Try something like Ecover.

I use ecover, still get a dishwasher smell.