When a chicken lays an egg, does it come out pointy end first, or the 
more rounded end.

I'm on another group on this and there is some doubt.

Origin of the question was yesterday lunchtime, when I was in my local. 
Friend had borrowed an egg and left it sat in a beer drip tray that was 
just made for standing eggs up.  :-)

He was sat down, so his eye level was at the hight of the bar. Now 
normally this is a stupid question that I would ask, but he beat me to 
it this time.  :-(

On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:43:31 +0100, Dave 
wrote:

>When a chicken lays an egg, does it come out pointy end first, or the 
>more rounded end.
>
>I'm on another group on this and there is some doubt.
>
>Origin of the question was yesterday lunchtime, when I was in my local. 
>Friend had borrowed an egg and left it sat in a beer drip tray that was 
>just made for standing eggs up.  :-)
>
>He was sat down, so his eye level was at the hight of the bar. Now 
>normally this is a stupid question that I would ask, but he beat me to 
>it this time.  :-(

Fuckhead Mike Reid interferes with chickens, ask him.

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:C-CdnTv0AbT60VfXnZ2dnUVZ8j2dnZ2d@bt.com...
> When a chicken lays an egg, does it come out pointy end first, or the more 
> rounded end.
>
> I'm on another group on this and there is some doubt.
>
> Origin of the question was yesterday lunchtime, when I was in my local. 
> Friend had borrowed an egg and left it sat in a beer drip tray that was 
> just made for standing eggs up.  :-)
>
> He was sat down, so his eye level was at the hight of the bar. Now 
> normally this is a stupid question that I would ask, but he beat me to it 
> this time.  :-(

It comes out pointy end first.  Believe me on this, I keep chickens, and 
occasionally when collecting eggs, there was a hen in the nest box and she 
laid into my hand.

Tina

Christina Websell wrote:
> "Dave"  wrote in message 
> news:C-CdnTv0AbT60VfXnZ2dnUVZ8j2dnZ2d@bt.com...
>> When a chicken lays an egg, does it come out pointy end first, or the more 
>> rounded end.
>>
>> I'm on another group on this and there is some doubt.
>>
>> Origin of the question was yesterday lunchtime, when I was in my local. 
>> Friend had borrowed an egg and left it sat in a beer drip tray that was 
>> just made for standing eggs up.  :-)
>>
>> He was sat down, so his eye level was at the hight of the bar. Now 
>> normally this is a stupid question that I would ask, but he beat me to it 
>> this time.  :-(
> 
> It comes out pointy end first.  Believe me on this, I keep chickens, and 
> occasionally when collecting eggs, there was a hen in the nest box and she 
> laid into my hand.

Thanks. That *has* to be definitive proof. I'll pass it on tomorrow.

Dave

On 2009-10-06 17:00:09 +0100, Dave  said:

> Christina Websell wrote:
>> "Dave"  wrote in message 
>> news:C-CdnTv0AbT60VfXnZ2dnUVZ8j2dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> When a chicken lays an egg, does it come out pointy end first, or the 
>>> more rounded end.
>>> 
>>> I'm on another group on this and there is some doubt.
>>> 
>>> Origin of the question was yesterday lunchtime, when I was in my local. 
>>> Friend had borrowed an egg and left it sat in a beer drip tray that was 
>>> just made for standing eggs up.  :-)
>>> 
>>> He was sat down, so his eye level was at the hight of the bar. Now 
>>> normally this is a stupid question that I would ask, but he beat me to 
>>> it this time.  :-(
>> 
>> It comes out pointy end first.  Believe me on this, I keep chickens, 
>> and occasionally when collecting eggs, there was a hen in the nest box 
>> and she laid into my hand.
> 
> Thanks. That *has* to be definitive proof. I'll pass it on tomorrow.
> 
> Dave

Bit like babies, really....  ;-)
-- 
Sacha

Sacha wrote:
> On 2009-10-06 17:00:09 +0100, Dave  said:
> 
>> Christina Websell wrote:
>>> "Dave"  wrote in message 
>>> news:C-CdnTv0AbT60VfXnZ2dnUVZ8j2dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> When a chicken lays an egg, does it come out pointy end first, or 
>>>> the more rounded end.
>>>>
>>>> I'm on another group on this and there is some doubt.
>>>>
>>>> Origin of the question was yesterday lunchtime, when I was in my 
>>>> local. Friend had borrowed an egg and left it sat in a beer drip 
>>>> tray that was just made for standing eggs up.  :-)
>>>>
>>>> He was sat down, so his eye level was at the hight of the bar. Now 
>>>> normally this is a stupid question that I would ask, but he beat me 
>>>> to it this time.  :-(
>>>
>>> It comes out pointy end first.  Believe me on this, I keep chickens, 
>>> and occasionally when collecting eggs, there was a hen in the nest 
>>> box and she laid into my hand.
>>
>> Thanks. That *has* to be definitive proof. I'll pass it on tomorrow.
>>
>> Dave
> 
> Bit like babies, really....  ;-)

But isn't a baby more pointed at its toes  :-)

Mind you, the mother might grunt a bit more when the shoulders come out 
  :-((

Dave

"Sacha"  wrote in message 
news:7j1816F33eltfU2@mid.individual.net...
> On 2009-10-06 17:00:09 +0100, Dave  said:
>
>> Christina Websell wrote:
>>> "Dave"  wrote in message 
>>> news:C-CdnTv0AbT60VfXnZ2dnUVZ8j2dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> When a chicken lays an egg, does it come out pointy end first, or the 
>>>> more rounded end.
>>>>
>>>> I'm on another group on this and there is some doubt.
>>>>
>>>> Origin of the question was yesterday lunchtime, when I was in my local. 
>>>> Friend had borrowed an egg and left it sat in a beer drip tray that was 
>>>> just made for standing eggs up.  :-)
>>>>
>>>> He was sat down, so his eye level was at the hight of the bar. Now 
>>>> normally this is a stupid question that I would ask, but he beat me to 
>>>> it this time.  :-(
>>>
>>> It comes out pointy end first.  Believe me on this, I keep chickens, and 
>>> occasionally when collecting eggs, there was a hen in the nest box and 
>>> she laid into my hand.
>>
>> Thanks. That *has* to be definitive proof. I'll pass it on tomorrow.
>>
>> Dave
>
> Bit like babies, really....  ;-)

I didn't know babies heads were pointed!


Alan



> -- 
> Sacha
>

"Dave"  wrote in message 
news:X7KdndrHNvk0LlbXnZ2dnUVZ8tVi4p2d@bt.com...
 >>>> It comes out pointy end first.  Believe me on this, I keep chickens,
>>>> and occasionally when collecting eggs, there was a hen in the nest
>>>> box and she laid into my hand.
>>>
>>> Thanks. That *has* to be definitive proof. I'll pass it on tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> Bit like babies, really....  ;-)
>
> But isn't a baby more pointed at its toes  :-)
>
> Mind you, the mother might grunt a bit more when the shoulders come out
>  :-((

Think arms, legs, and streamlining.  Head first, arms and legs press against 
body and everything "slides".  Feet first, any arm or leg can get "snagged".

As regards the eggs, don't they come from Tescos ;-)

Brian

On 2009-10-06 22:16:24 +0100, Dave  said:

> Sacha wrote:
>> On 2009-10-06 17:00:09 +0100, Dave  said:
>> 
>>> Christina Websell wrote:
>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:C-CdnTv0AbT60VfXnZ2dnUVZ8j2dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>> When a chicken lays an egg, does it come out pointy end first, or the 
>>>>> more rounded end.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm on another group on this and there is some doubt.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Origin of the question was yesterday lunchtime, when I was in my local. 
>>>>> Friend had borrowed an egg and left it sat in a beer drip tray that was 
>>>>> just made for standing eggs up.  :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> He was sat down, so his eye level was at the hight of the bar. Now 
>>>>> normally this is a stupid question that I would ask, but he beat me to 
>>>>> it this time.  :-(
>>>> 
>>>> It comes out pointy end first.  Believe me on this, I keep chickens, 
>>>> and occasionally when collecting eggs, there was a hen in the nest box 
>>>> and she laid into my hand.
>>> 
>>> Thanks. That *has* to be definitive proof. I'll pass it on tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>> 
>> Bit like babies, really....  ;-)
> 
> But isn't a baby more pointed at its toes  :-)
> 
> Mind you, the mother might grunt a bit more when the shoulders come out   :-((
> 
> Dave

You should see the pointy head of one that didn't make it naturally but 
ended up a Caesarean......  ;-)
-- 
Sacha

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:38:31 +0100, alan.holmes wrote in post :
<news:qNOym.6799$Zv.1312@newsfe21.ams2> :

> "Sacha"  wrote in message 
> news:7j1816F33eltfU2@mid.individual.net...
>> On 2009-10-06 17:00:09 +0100, Dave  said:
>>
>>> Christina Websell wrote:
>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:C-CdnTv0AbT60VfXnZ2dnUVZ8j2dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>> When a chicken lays an egg, does it come out pointy end first, or the 
>>>>> more rounded end.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm on another group on this and there is some doubt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Origin of the question was yesterday lunchtime, when I was in my local. 
>>>>> Friend had borrowed an egg and left it sat in a beer drip tray that was 
>>>>> just made for standing eggs up.  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> He was sat down, so his eye level was at the hight of the bar. Now 
>>>>> normally this is a stupid question that I would ask, but he beat me to 
>>>>> it this time.  :-(
>>>>
>>>> It comes out pointy end first.  Believe me on this, I keep chickens, and 
>>>> occasionally when collecting eggs, there was a hen in the nest box and 
>>>> she laid into my hand.
>>>
>>> Thanks. That *has* to be definitive proof. I'll pass it on tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> Bit like babies, really....  ;-)
> 
> I didn't know babies heads were pointed!

And lopsided, or both. They round off after a day or so though. Apparently.

-- 
Tim C.

Tim C. wrote:
> And lopsided, or both. They round off after a day or so though.
> Apparently.

It is true:))  My grandson's head was very lopsided when he came out:))) 
soon sorted it self out :))

On 2009-10-07 06:46:34 +0100, "Tim C."  said:

> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:38:31 +0100, alan.holmes wrote in post :
> <news:qNOym.6799$Zv.1312@newsfe21.ams2> :
> 
>> "Sacha"  wrote in message
>> news:7j1816F33eltfU2@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 2009-10-06 17:00:09 +0100, Dave  said:
>>> 
>>>> Christina Websell wrote:
>>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:C-CdnTv0AbT60VfXnZ2dnUVZ8j2dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>> When a chicken lays an egg, does it come out pointy end first, or the
>>>>>> more rounded end.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm on another group on this and there is some doubt.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Origin of the question was yesterday lunchtime, when I was in my local.
>>>>>> Friend had borrowed an egg and left it sat in a beer drip tray that was
>>>>>> just made for standing eggs up.  :-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> He was sat down, so his eye level was at the hight of the bar. Now
>>>>>> normally this is a stupid question that I would ask, but he beat me to
>>>>>> it this time.  :-(
>>>>> 
>>>>> It comes out pointy end first.  Believe me on this, I keep chickens, and
>>>>> occasionally when collecting eggs, there was a hen in the nest box and
>>>>> she laid into my hand.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks. That *has* to be definitive proof. I'll pass it on tomorrow.
>>>> 
>>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> Bit like babies, really....  ;-)
>> 
>> I didn't know babies heads were pointed!
> 
> And lopsided, or both. They round off after a day or so though. Apparently.

They do - mostly.  Our grandson was known as 'conehead' for a day or 
two, though.  ;-)
-- 
Sacha

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:08:54 +0100, Sacha wrote in post :
<news:7j3456F33dd47U7@mid.individual.net> :

> On 2009-10-07 06:46:34 +0100, "Tim C."  said:
> 
>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:38:31 +0100, alan.holmes wrote in post :
>> <news:qNOym.6799$Zv.1312@newsfe21.ams2> :
>> 
>>> "Sacha"  wrote in message
>>> news:7j1816F33eltfU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 2009-10-06 17:00:09 +0100, Dave  said:
>>>> 
>>>>> Christina Websell wrote:
>>>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C-CdnTv0AbT60VfXnZ2dnUVZ8j2dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>> When a chicken lays an egg, does it come out pointy end first, or the
>>>>>>> more rounded end.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm on another group on this and there is some doubt.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Origin of the question was yesterday lunchtime, when I was in my local.
>>>>>>> Friend had borrowed an egg and left it sat in a beer drip tray that was
>>>>>>> just made for standing eggs up.  :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> He was sat down, so his eye level was at the hight of the bar. Now
>>>>>>> normally this is a stupid question that I would ask, but he beat me to
>>>>>>> it this time.  :-(
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It comes out pointy end first.  Believe me on this, I keep chickens, and
>>>>>> occasionally when collecting eggs, there was a hen in the nest box and
>>>>>> she laid into my hand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks. That *has* to be definitive proof. I'll pass it on tomorrow.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> Bit like babies, really....  ;-)
>>> 
>>> I didn't know babies heads were pointed!
>> 
>> And lopsided, or both. They round off after a day or so though. Apparently.
> 
> They do - mostly.  Our grandson was known as 'conehead' for a day or 
> two, though.  ;-)

My sone was born as a conehead too. I said he'd be a rocket scientist.
-- 
Tim C.

Brian Reay wrote:

> As regards the eggs, don't they come from Tescos ;-)

I don't get my eggs from there. I get them direct from source  :-)

Dave

Sacha wrote:
> On 2009-10-07 06:46:34 +0100, "Tim C."  said:
> 
>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:38:31 +0100, alan.holmes wrote in post :
>> <news:qNOym.6799$Zv.1312@newsfe21.ams2> :
>>
>>> "Sacha"  wrote in message
>>> news:7j1816F33eltfU2@mid.individual.net...
>>> I didn't know babies heads were pointed!
>>
>> And lopsided, or both. They round off after a day or so though. 
>> Apparently.
> 
> They do - mostly.  Our grandson was known as 'conehead' for a day or 
> two, though.  ;-)

On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own birth.?

When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to 
regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that 
squashed my face.

Dave

Following up to Dave 

>  I used to 
> regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that 
> squashed my face.

the Northern Line?
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The message <1c3pf8hiu4031$.1johtqvs2m72s.dlg@40tude.net>
from "Tim C."  contains these words:

> > I didn't know babies heads were pointed!

> And lopsided, or both. They round off after a day or so though. Apparently.

depends on the maturity of the newborn at delivery. Very premature
babies can often be spotted years later by the shape of their head 
(soft bones when it was compressed) 

  Janet

On 2009-10-07 17:58:53 +0100, Dave  said:

> Sacha wrote:
>> On 2009-10-07 06:46:34 +0100, "Tim C."  said:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:38:31 +0100, alan.holmes wrote in post :
>>> <news:qNOym.6799$Zv.1312@newsfe21.ams2> :
>>> 
>>>> "Sacha"  wrote in message
>>>> news:7j1816F33eltfU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> I didn't know babies heads were pointed!
>>> 
>>> And lopsided, or both. They round off after a day or so though. Apparently.
>> 
>> They do - mostly.  Our grandson was known as 'conehead' for a day or 
>> two, though.  ;-)
> 
> On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own birth.?
> 
> When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to 
> regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that 
> squashed my face.
> 
> Dave

Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently ' - some people do.  There's 
some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists 
and experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a 
terrifying process for a baby.  3 of our 4 grandchildren were born by 
Caesarean (non-elective) and while their mothers would have preferred 
otherwise, I can't help think it might have been easier for the babies. 
 I am firmly of the opinion - after giving birth 3 times, naturally - 
that there's a design fault in there somehow.  What's wrong with a zip, 
I'd like to know!
-- 
Sacha

"Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently 
' - some people do.  There's
> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists > and 
> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > terrifying 
> process for a baby.   Sacha

I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals they have 
no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little B=))(?=.  We 
have to teach them to be neurotic.

Dave wrote:
> On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own
> birth.?
> When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to
> regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that
> squashed my face.
>

I wouldn't rule it out, Dave. Stranger things have been known.

Ophelia wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> 
>>On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own
>>birth.?
>>When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to
>>regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that
>>squashed my face.
>>
> 
> 
> I wouldn't rule it out, Dave. Stranger things have been known.
> 
> 
> 
> 


Pre and parinatal psychology postulates a "birth trauma."  Which some
adherents of the theory regard as a foundational phenomena in the 
shaping of an individuals response to life.

-- 

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Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
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Following up to Sacha 

> after giving birth 3 times, naturally - 
> that there's a design fault in there somehow.

there isn't a "design". Thats the problem.
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Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
> 
> 
> Ophelia wrote:
>> Dave wrote:
>>
>>> On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own
>>> birth.?
>>> When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to
>>> regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that
>>> squashed my face.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't rule it out, Dave. Stranger things have been known.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Pre and parinatal psychology postulates a "birth trauma."  Which some
> adherents of the theory regard as a foundational phenomena in the 
> shaping of an individuals response to life.

I could understand that a lot better if you had expanded on

Quote start

foundational phenomena in the  shaping of an individuals response to life.

End quote.

ie How did it affect the response to life?

Dave

Sacha wrote:

> Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently ' - some people do.  There's some 
> who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists and 
> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a terrifying 
> process for a baby.  3 of our 4 grandchildren were born by Caesarean 
> (non-elective) and while their mothers would have preferred otherwise, I 
> can't help think it might have been easier for the babies.

Yes, I am with you on this, but I don't think the mothers want to give 
up the joys of a natural birth.

> I am firmly 
> of the opinion - after giving birth 3 times, naturally - that there's a 
> design fault in there somehow.  What's wrong with a zip, I'd like to know!

I hope you don't mean the YKK type zip.

Some of my jeans have them on and they are not dependable  :-(

Don't tell anyone, but my wife has had 3 operations around the lower 
belly and I keep expecting to see a zip tag there sometime  :-)

I think she adores hospital food  :-)

Just a little over 12 months ago, I had a detached retina glued back 
down and I must admit the food was quite good at Manchester Royal Eye 
Hospital. I couldn't fault that place for anything.

Dave

Quoting from message 
 posted on 6 Oct 2009 by Dave  I would like to add:

> Mind you, the mother might grunt a bit more when the shoulders come out
>   :-((

I might well have done more than grunt -  Child has wide shoulders 
(inherited from both parents) she had assistance via forceps.

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"Dave"  wrote in message 
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> Sacha wrote:
>
>> Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently ' - some people do.  There's some 
>> who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists and 
>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a terrifying 
>> process for a baby.  3 of our 4 grandchildren were born by Caesarean 
>> (non-elective) and while their mothers would have preferred otherwise, I 
>> can't help think it might have been easier for the babies.
>
> Yes, I am with you on this, but I don't think the mothers want to give up 
> the joys of a natural birth.
>
>> I am firmly of the opinion - after giving birth 3 times, naturally - that 
>> there's a design fault in there somehow.  What's wrong with a zip, I'd 
>> like to know!
>
> I hope you don't mean the YKK type zip.
>
> Some of my jeans have them on and they are not dependable  :-(
>
> Don't tell anyone, but my wife has had 3 operations around the lower belly 
> and I keep expecting to see a zip tag there sometime  :-)
>
> I think she adores hospital food  :-)
>
> Just a little over 12 months ago, I had a detached retina glued back down 
> and I must admit the food was quite good at Manchester Royal Eye Hospital. 
> I couldn't fault that place for anything.
>
She was lucky!  Our hospitals have outsourced the catering to the same 
company that prepares airline food.  Nuff said!!
Graham

Dave wrote:
> Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own
>>>> birth.?
>>>> When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to
>>>> regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that
>>>> squashed my face.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't rule it out, Dave. Stranger things have been known.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Pre and parinatal psychology postulates a "birth trauma."  Which some
>> adherents of the theory regard as a foundational phenomena in the 
>> shaping of an individuals response to life.
> 
> 
> I could understand that a lot better if you had expanded on
> 
> Quote start
> 
> foundational phenomena in the  shaping of an individuals response to life.
> 
> End quote.
> 
> ie How did it affect the response to life?
> 
> Dave


Iirc its the original primal struggle.  And shapes or influences how we 
respond to any other struggle in life.  Both internal and external. 
Shapes our internal response to struggle as much as out outer expression 
of that internal process.

"Cesarean Section" produces a whole other set of circumstances.

I routinely dream im a kings mistress ensconced in gold and ermine and 
red velvet giving birth to great big hugh serpents.

I was a "Caesarian Section".  TMI?

-- 

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Domine, dirige nos.
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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:27:44 +0100, Sacha wrote in post :
<news:7j44t0F32ucasU1@mid.individual.net> :

>  What's wrong with a zip, I'd like to know!

Patents, that's what. Imagine the paperwork.

-- 
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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:53:55 -0700, Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote in
post : <news:4ACD7063.7050203@isp.com> :

> TMI?

er I think so.   You're weird :)
-- 
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Tim C. wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:53:55 -0700, Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote in
> post :  :
>
>
> >TMI?
>
>
> er I think so.   You're weird :)

Ya' think?

:)

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"Tim C."  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:53:55 -0700, Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote in
> post : <news:4ACD7063.7050203@isp.com> :
>
>> TMI?
>
> er I think so.   You're weird :)

Oi!  You leave our Joseph alone:)  It is cetainly no more wierd than some of 
the topics discussed here.

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 07:59:52 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
<news:7j5gvoF33kc0gU1@mid.individual.net> :

> "Tim C."  wrote in message 
> news:9jofokxt692m.sja589fk2pf3$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:53:55 -0700, Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote in
>> post : <news:4ACD7063.7050203@isp.com> :
>>
>>> TMI?
>>
>> er I think so.   You're weird :)
> 
> Oi!  You leave our Joseph alone:)  It is cetainly no more wierd than some of 
> the topics discussed here.

 :-)  True.
-- 
Tim C.

Ophelia wrote:

> "Tim C."  wrote in message
> news:9jofokxt692m.sja589fk2pf3$.dlg@40tude.net...
>
> >On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:53:55 -0700, Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote in
> >post :  :
> >
> >
> >>TMI?
> >
> >er I think so.   You're weird :)
>
>
> Oi!  You leave our Joseph alone:)  It is cetainly no more wierd than 
> some of
> the topics discussed here.
>
>
>

*Chuckle* i, in my better moments, like to think of my self as an 
excentric amature:)

Given the evolutionary nature of the epistological phenomina im as 
surprised as any of you might be:)

Thanks 'O,


Joseph Littleshoes

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://fredeeky.typepad.com/fredeeky/files/sf_anthem.mp3

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:43:41 +0100, "Ophelia"  wrote:

>Dave wrote:
>> On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own
>> birth.?
>> When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to
>> regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that
>> squashed my face.
>>
>
>I wouldn't rule it out, Dave. Stranger things have been known.

Sounds like a trip in the underground,
-- 

Martin

"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
news:jv7rc5ldhak5s9uk99mqm3imu585v4j3v9@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:43:41 +0100, "Ophelia"  
> wrote:
>
>>Dave wrote:
>>> On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own
>>> birth.?
>>> When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to
>>> regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that
>>> squashed my face.
>>>
>>
>>I wouldn't rule it out, Dave. Stranger things have been known.
>
> Sounds like a trip in the underground,

heh:)

"Sacha"  wrote in message 
news:7j44t0F32ucasU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 2009-10-07 17:58:53 +0100, Dave  said:
>
>> Sacha wrote:
>>> On 2009-10-07 06:46:34 +0100, "Tim C."  said:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:38:31 +0100, alan.holmes wrote in post :
>>>> <news:qNOym.6799$Zv.1312@newsfe21.ams2> :
>>>>
>>>>> "Sacha"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:7j1816F33eltfU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> I didn't know babies heads were pointed!
>>>>
>>>> And lopsided, or both. They round off after a day or so though. 
>>>> Apparently.
>>>
>>> They do - mostly.  Our grandson was known as 'conehead' for a day or 
>>> two, though.  ;-)
>>
>> On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own 
>> birth.?
>>
>> When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to 
>> regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that 
>> squashed my face.
>>
>> Dave
>
> Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently ' - some people do.  There's some 
> who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists and 
> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a terrifying 
> process for a baby.  3 of our 4 grandchildren were born by Caesarean 
> (non-elective) and while their mothers would have preferred otherwise, I 
> can't help think it might have been easier for the babies. I am firmly of 
> the opinion - after giving birth 3 times, naturally - that there's a 
> design fault in there somehow.  What's wrong with a zip, I'd like to know!

Sometimes zips get stuck!

Alan



> -- 
> Sacha
>

alan.holmes wrote:
> "Sacha"  wrote in message
> news:7j44t0F32ucasU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 2009-10-07 17:58:53 +0100, Dave  said:
>>
>>> Sacha wrote:
>>>> On 2009-10-07 06:46:34 +0100, "Tim C."  said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:38:31 +0100, alan.holmes wrote in post :
>>>>> <news:qNOym.6799$Zv.1312@newsfe21.ams2> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Sacha"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:7j1816F33eltfU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> I didn't know babies heads were pointed!
>>>>>
>>>>> And lopsided, or both. They round off after a day or so though.
>>>>> Apparently.
>>>>
>>>> They do - mostly.  Our grandson was known as 'conehead' for a day
>>>> or two, though.  ;-)
>>>
>>> On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own
>>> birth.?
>>>
>>> When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to
>>> regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that
>>> squashed my face.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently ' - some people do.  There's
>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists
>> and experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a
>> terrifying process for a baby.  3 of our 4 grandchildren were born
>> by Caesarean (non-elective) and while their mothers would have
>> preferred otherwise, I can't help think it might have been easier
>> for the babies. I am firmly of the opinion - after giving birth 3
>> times, naturally - that there's a design fault in there somehow. What's 
>> wrong with a zip, I'd like to know!
>
> Sometimes zips get stuck!
>
> Alan

Ay don't wish to know thet!

Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
> 
> 
> Dave wrote:
>> Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own
>>>>> birth.?
>>>>> When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to
>>>>> regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that
>>>>> squashed my face.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't rule it out, Dave. Stranger things have been known.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pre and parinatal psychology postulates a "birth trauma."  Which some
>>> adherents of the theory regard as a foundational phenomena in the 
>>> shaping of an individuals response to life.
>>
>>
>> I could understand that a lot better if you had expanded on
>>
>> Quote start
>>
>> foundational phenomena in the  shaping of an individuals response to 
>> life.
>>
>> End quote.
>>
>> ie How did it affect the response to life?
>>
>> Dave
> 
> 
> Iirc its the original primal struggle.  And shapes or influences how we 
> respond to any other struggle in life.  Both internal and external. 
> Shapes our internal response to struggle as much as out outer expression 
> of that internal process.
> 
> "Cesarean Section" produces a whole other set of circumstances.
> 
> I routinely dream im a kings mistress ensconced in gold and ermine and 
> red velvet giving birth to great big hugh serpents.
> 
> I was a "Caesarian Section".  TMI?

Thanks for that, I understand now.  :-)

Dave

On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, "Giusi"  said:

> 
> "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently
> ' - some people do.  There's
>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists > and
>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > terrifying
>> process for a baby.   Sacha
> 
> I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals they have
> no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little B=))(?=.  We
> have to teach them to be neurotic.

I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating around 
to squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!
-- 
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

On 2009-10-08 00:26:12 +0100, Dave  said:

> Sacha wrote:
> 
>> Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently ' - some people do.  There's 
>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists 
>> and experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a 
>> terrifying process for a baby.  3 of our 4 grandchildren were born by 
>> Caesarean (non-elective) and while their mothers would have preferred 
>> otherwise, I can't help think it might have been easier for the babies.
> 
> Yes, I am with you on this, but I don't think the mothers want to give 
> up the joys of a natural birth.
> 
>> I am firmly of the opinion - after giving birth 3 times, naturally - 
>> that there's a design fault in there somehow.  What's wrong with a zip, 
>> I'd like to know!
> 
> I hope you don't mean the YKK type zip.
> 
> Some of my jeans have them on and they are not dependable  :-(
> 
> Don't tell anyone, but my wife has had 3 operations around the lower 
> belly and I keep expecting to see a zip tag there sometime  :-)

Oh, if only!
> 
> I think she adores hospital food  :-)

Yeeeeessss -  i think I'll avoid comment on that and commend you to a 
cookery school!
> 
> Just a little over 12 months ago, I had a detached retina glued back 
> down and I must admit the food was quite good at Manchester Royal Eye 
> Hospital. I couldn't fault that place for anything.
> 
> Dave

Now that IS good to hear.  Hospitals gets plenty of brickbats - good to 
see bouquets, too.
-- 
Sacha

On 2009-10-08 06:42:02 +0100, "Tim C."  said:

> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:27:44 +0100, Sacha wrote in post :
> <news:7j44t0F32ucasU1@mid.individual.net> :
> 
>> What's wrong with a zip, I'd like to know!
> 
> Patents, that's what. Imagine the paperwork.

What - just post Eden?  Who do you see as the designated maternity ward 
bureaucrat?!  ;-)
-- 
Sacha

On 2009-10-08 19:17:29 +0100, "alan.holmes"  said:

> 
> "Sacha"  wrote in message
> news:7j44t0F32ucasU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 2009-10-07 17:58:53 +0100, Dave  said:
>> 
>>> Sacha wrote:
>>>> On 2009-10-07 06:46:34 +0100, "Tim C."  said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:38:31 +0100, alan.holmes wrote in post :
>>>>> <news:qNOym.6799$Zv.1312@newsfe21.ams2> :
>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Sacha"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:7j1816F33eltfU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> I didn't know babies heads were pointed!
>>>>> 
>>>>> And lopsided, or both. They round off after a day or so though.
>>>>> Apparently.
>>>> 
>>>> They do - mostly.  Our grandson was known as 'conehead' for a day or
>>>> two, though.  ;-)
>>> 
>>> On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own
>>> birth.?
>>> 
>>> When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to
>>> regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that
>>> squashed my face.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>> 
>> Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently ' - some people do.  There's some
>> who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists and
>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a terrifying
>> process for a baby.  3 of our 4 grandchildren were born by Caesarean
>> (non-elective) and while their mothers would have preferred otherwise, I
>> can't help think it might have been easier for the babies. I am firmly of
>> the opinion - after giving birth 3 times, naturally - that there's a
>> design fault in there somehow.  What's wrong with a zip, I'd like to know!
> 
> Sometimes zips get stuck!
> 
> Alan

So do babies!  Conehead did and had to be 'unzipped'.  I never want to 
live through another 3 days like that again and I'm darned sure his 
mother doesn't!
-- 
Sacha

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:32:16 +0100, Sacha wrote in post :
<news:7j77jgF332c4pU2@mid.individual.net> :

> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, "Giusi"  said:
> 
>> 
>> "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently
>> ' - some people do.  There's
>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists > and
>>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > terrifying
>>> process for a baby.   Sacha
>> 
>> I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals they have
>> no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little B=))(?=.  We
>> have to teach them to be neurotic.
> 
> I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating around 
> to squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!

They're not really cosy in there, they're fighting a battle for food,
oxygen, space and immune reaction.  

-- 
Tim C.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:51:32 +0200, "Tim C."  wrote:

>On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:32:16 +0100, Sacha wrote in post :
><news:7j77jgF332c4pU2@mid.individual.net> :
>
>> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, "Giusi"  said:
>> 
>>> 
>>> "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently
>>> ' - some people do.  There's
>>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists > and
>>>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > terrifying
>>>> process for a baby.   Sacha
>>> 
>>> I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals they have
>>> no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little B=))(?=.  We
>>> have to teach them to be neurotic.
>> 
>> I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating around 
>> to squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!
>
>They're not really cosy in there, they're fighting a battle for food,
>oxygen, space and immune reaction.  

Just like the Metro.
-- 

Martin

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:25:39 +0100, Martin wrote in post :
<news:brstc5pfkh49vi28j51h7qquvu70jopbuc@4ax.com> :

> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:51:32 +0200, "Tim C."  wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:32:16 +0100, Sacha wrote in post :
>><news:7j77jgF332c4pU2@mid.individual.net> :
>>
>>> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, "Giusi"  said:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently
>>>> ' - some people do.  There's
>>>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists > and
>>>>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > terrifying
>>>>> process for a baby.   Sacha
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals they have
>>>> no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little B=))(?=.  We
>>>> have to teach them to be neurotic.
>>> 
>>> I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating around 
>>> to squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!
>>
>>They're not really cosy in there, they're fighting a battle for food,
>>oxygen, space and immune reaction.  
> 
> Just like the Metro.

Exactly, not cosy at all :-) Unless you're pressed up against Linda
Lusardi. 

-- 
Tim C.

In message <1iwiylwz3hf9w$.1vyddq1xpvqg7.dlg@40tude.net>, Tim C. 
 writes
>On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:25:39 +0100, Martin wrote in post :
><news:brstc5pfkh49vi28j51h7qquvu70jopbuc@4ax.com> :
>
>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:51:32 +0200, "Tim C."  wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:32:16 +0100, Sacha wrote in post :
>>><news:7j77jgF332c4pU2@mid.individual.net> :
>>>
>>>> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, "Giusi"  said:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently
>>>>> ' - some people do.  There's
>>>>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by 
>>>>>>therapists > and
>>>>>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > 
>>>>>>terrifying
>>>>>> process for a baby.   Sacha
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals they have
>>>>> no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little 
>>>>>B=))(?=.  We
>>>>> have to teach them to be neurotic.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating around
>>>> to squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!
>>>
>>>They're not really cosy in there, they're fighting a battle for food,
>>>oxygen, space and immune reaction.
>>
>> Just like the Metro.
>
>Exactly, not cosy at all :-) Unless you're pressed up against Linda
>Lusardi.
>
Talking of tubes, on the way home from work last night we had the most 
wonderful tube driver.  It was a lady, who sounded more like an air 
hostess than a train driver.  She was great. She kept us informed of 
what was going on; she thanked us for using her train and she drove 
without slamming the carriages together.  She also got all the customers 
in our carriage talking, which was great and very unusual for 
tube-users.  Good for her.   I have never been on her train before but 
everyone was impressed with her.  I was so impressed that I asked at the 
ticket office and am going to tell customer services.  That is some 
going for a veteran tube-user like me. The ticket lady knew exactly who 
the lady in question was and said she is always like that, even at 5am. 
Why can't more of them be like her?
-- 
June Hughes

On Oct 8, 11:32 pm, Sacha  wrote:
> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 퍝, "Giusi"  said:
>
>
>
> > "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently
> > ' - some people do.  There's
> >> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists > and
> >> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > terrifying
> >> process for a baby.   Sacha
>
> > I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals they have
> > no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little B=))(?=.  We
> > have to teach them to be neurotic.
>
> I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating around
> to squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!
> --
> Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com
> Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
> South Devon

Stop it, you're making me claustrophobic! :-)

Judith

The message <15de48ajvcnxi$.1q72yph6clzsk$.dlg@40tude.net>
from "Tim C."  contains these words:

> They're not really cosy in there, they're fighting a battle for food,
> oxygen, space and immune reaction.  

   How can you say that you ungrateful boy? The accommodation is
maintained at a perfect ambient temperature and all services mentioned
are
 piped in . There is absolutely no need whatever for all  that kicking
and punching.

   Janet

On 2009-10-09 12:34:22 +0100, Judith in France 
 said:

> On Oct 8, 11:32 pm, Sacha  wrote:
>> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, "Giusi"  said:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 'appar
> ently
>>> ' - some people do.  There's
>>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists >
>  and
>>>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > terr
> ifying
>>>> process for a baby.   Sacha
>> 
>>> I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals th
> ey have
>>> no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little B=))
> (?=.  We
>>> have to teach them to be neurotic.
>> 
>> I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating around
>> to squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!
>> --
>> Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com
>> Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
>> South Devon
> 
> Stop it, you're making me claustrophobic! :-)
> 
> Judith

That's re-birthing for you.  Thank you, that will be £45.00!
-- 
Sacha

On 2009-10-09 07:51:32 +0100, "Tim C."  said:

> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:32:16 +0100, Sacha wrote in post :
> <news:7j77jgF332c4pU2@mid.individual.net> :
> 
>> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, "Giusi"  said:
>> 
>>> 
>>> "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently
>>> ' - some people do.  There's
>>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists > and
>>>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > terrifying
>>>> process for a baby.   Sacha
>>> 
>>> I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals they have
>>> no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little B=))(?=.  We
>>> have to teach them to be neurotic.
>> 
>> I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating around
>> to squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!
> 
> They're not really cosy in there, they're fighting a battle for food,
> oxygen, space and immune reaction.

Nonsense, they're in a specially designed apartment with all needs 
catered to at all times.  ;-)  It's like a mini space ship with 
baby-to-earth communication!
-- 
Sacha

On 2009-10-09 15:09:55 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:

> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:59:40 +0100, Sacha  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Nonsense, they're in a specially designed apartment with all needs
>> catered to at all times.  ;-)  It's like a mini space ship with
>> baby-to-earth communication!
> 
> A womb with a view?

Well, the view may be a little restricted...
-- 
Sacha

On Oct 9, 2:53 pm, Sacha  wrote:
> On 2009-10-09 12:34:22 퍝, Judith in France
>  said:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 8, 11:32 pm, Sacha  wrote:
> >> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 퍝, "Giusi"  said:
>
> >>> "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 'appar
> > ently
> >>> ' - some people do.  There's
> >>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists> >  and
> >>>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > terr
> > ifying
> >>>> process for a baby.   Sacha
>
> >>> I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals th
> > ey have
> >>> no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little B=> > (?=.  We
> >>> have to teach them to be neurotic.
>
> >> I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating around
> >> to squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!
> >> --
> >> Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com
> >> Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
> >> South Devon
>
> > Stop it, you're making me claustrophobic! :-)
>
> > Judith
>
> That's re-birthing for you.  Thank you, that will be £45.00!
> --
> Sacha

:-)

Judith

"June Hughes"  ha scritto nel messaggio
  She was great. She kept us informed of
> what was going on; she thanked us for using her train and she drove > 
> without slamming the carriages together.

That is some > going for a veteran tube-user like me. The ticket lady knew 
exactly who > the lady in question was and said she is always like that, 
even at 5am.
> Why can't more of them be like her?

Why can't I be more like her?  Or any of us? Sounds like a remarkable woman.

"Tim C."  wrote in message 
news:15de48ajvcnxi$.1q72yph6clzsk$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:32:16 +0100, Sacha wrote in post :
> <news:7j77jgF332c4pU2@mid.individual.net> :
>
>> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, "Giusi"  said:
>>
>>>
>>> "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 
>>> 'apparently
>>> ' - some people do.  There's
>>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists > 
>>>> and
>>>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > 
>>>> terrifying
>>>> process for a baby.   Sacha
>>>
>>> I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals they 
>>> have
>>> no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little B=))(?=. 
>>> We
>>> have to teach them to be neurotic.
>>
>> I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating around
>> to squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!
>
> They're not really cosy in there, they're fighting a battle for food,
> oxygen, space and immune reaction.
>

I don't remember my birth (wouldn't expect to)
My earliest memory is being in my pram at the side of my grandmother's house 
and they'd put me out there to get some sun.
My family tell me I was a year old at the time.
To have a memory from a year old..now..that's surprising.
I can clearly remember looking at the bricks on the side of the house and 
thinking I should not cry for my mother in case she didn't come back

Tina

Christina Websell wrote:
> "Tim C."  wrote in message
> news:15de48ajvcnxi$.1q72yph6clzsk$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:32:16 +0100, Sacha wrote in post :
>> <news:7j77jgF332c4pU2@mid.individual.net> :
>>
>>> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, "Giusi"  said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean
>>>> 'apparently
>>>> ' - some people do.  There's
>>>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by
>>>>> therapists > and
>>>>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a >
>>>>> terrifying
>>>>> process for a baby.   Sacha
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals
>>>> they have
>>>> no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little
>>>> B=))(?=. We
>>>> have to teach them to be neurotic.
>>>
>>> I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating
>>> around to squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!
>>
>> They're not really cosy in there, they're fighting a battle for food,
>> oxygen, space and immune reaction.
>>
>
> I don't remember my birth (wouldn't expect to)
> My earliest memory is being in my pram at the side of my
> grandmother's house and they'd put me out there to get some sun.
> My family tell me I was a year old at the time.
> To have a memory from a year old..now..that's surprising.
> I can clearly remember looking at the bricks on the side of the house
> and thinking I should not cry for my mother in case she didn't come
> back

I have memories of my first year.  I was in hospital and I had pulled myself 
up at the side of my cot and I was next to a white tiled wall.  I had 
surgery at that time.

On 2009-10-09 15:38:49 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:

> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:37:09 +0100, Sacha  wrote:
> 
>> On 2009-10-09 15:09:55 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> said:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:59:40 +0100, Sacha  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Nonsense, they're in a specially designed apartment with all needs
>>>> catered to at all times.  ;-)  It's like a mini space ship with
>>>> baby-to-earth communication!
>>> 
>>> A womb with a view?
>> 
>> Well, the view may be a little restricted...
> 
> Not with a glass navel implant.

OUCH!
-- 
Sacha

Tim C. wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:32:16 +0100, Sacha wrote in post :
> <news:7j77jgF332c4pU2@mid.individual.net> :
> 
>> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, "Giusi"  said:
>>
>>> "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently
>>> ' - some people do.  There's
>>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists > and
>>>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > terrifying
>>>> process for a baby.   Sacha
>>> I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals they have
>>> no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little B=))(?=.  We
>>> have to teach them to be neurotic.
>> I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating around 
>> to squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!
> 
> They're not really cosy in there, they're fighting a battle for food,
> oxygen, space and immune reaction.  

Fighting?

They are in such a cosy environment.

Dave

Sacha wrote:
> On 2009-10-08 00:26:12 +0100, Dave  said:
> 
>> Sacha wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently ' - some people do.  There's 
>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists 
>>> and experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a 
>>> terrifying process for a baby.  3 of our 4 grandchildren were born by 
>>> Caesarean (non-elective) and while their mothers would have preferred 
>>> otherwise, I can't help think it might have been easier for the babies.
>>
>> Yes, I am with you on this, but I don't think the mothers want to give 
>> up the joys of a natural birth.
>>
>>> I am firmly of the opinion - after giving birth 3 times, naturally - 
>>> that there's a design fault in there somehow.  What's wrong with a 
>>> zip, I'd like to know!
>>
>> I hope you don't mean the YKK type zip.
>>
>> Some of my jeans have them on and they are not dependable  :-(
>>
>> Don't tell anyone, but my wife has had 3 operations around the lower 
>> belly and I keep expecting to see a zip tag there sometime  :-)
> 
> Oh, if only!
>>
>> I think she adores hospital food  :-)
> 
> Yeeeeessss -  i think I'll avoid comment on that and commend you to a 
> cookery school!

No thanks, I like this one  :-)

>> Just a little over 12 months ago, I had a detached retina glued back 
>> down and I must admit the food was quite good at Manchester Royal Eye 
>> Hospital. I couldn't fault that place for anything.

> Now that IS good to hear.  Hospitals gets plenty of brickbats - good to 
> see bouquets, too.

It is just a little over 12 months ago that they saved my best eye and I 
am in the process of sending the whole department a letter of thanks to 
*all* the staff for helping me.

Dave

"Sacha"  wrote in message 
news:7j77oaF34lk0mU2@mid.individual.net...
> On 2009-10-08 06:42:02 +0100, "Tim C."  said:
>
>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:27:44 +0100, Sacha wrote in post :
>> <news:7j44t0F32ucasU1@mid.individual.net> :
>>
>>> What's wrong with a zip, I'd like to know!
>>
>> Patents, that's what. Imagine the paperwork.
>
> What - just post Eden?  Who do you see as the designated maternity ward 
> bureaucrat?!  ;-)

This current anti labour government!

Alan


> -- 
> Sacha
>

"Ophelia"  wrote in message 
news:7j6rclF33fjilU1@mid.individual.net...
> alan.holmes wrote:
>> "Sacha"  wrote in message
>> news:7j44t0F32ucasU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 2009-10-07 17:58:53 +0100, Dave  said:
>>>
>>>> Sacha wrote:
>>>>> On 2009-10-07 06:46:34 +0100, "Tim C."  said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:38:31 +0100, alan.holmes wrote in post :
>>>>>> <news:qNOym.6799$Zv.1312@newsfe21.ams2> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Sacha"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:7j1816F33eltfU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> I didn't know babies heads were pointed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And lopsided, or both. They round off after a day or so though.
>>>>>> Apparently.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do - mostly.  Our grandson was known as 'conehead' for a day
>>>>> or two, though.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> On this subject, does anyone think that you could remember your own
>>>> birth.?
>>>>
>>>> When I was very much younger, (pre school and nursery) I used to
>>>> regularly have a nightmare of going down a dark, warm tunnel that
>>>> squashed my face.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Apparently - and I do mean 'apparently ' - some people do.  There's
>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists
>>> and experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a
>>> terrifying process for a baby.  3 of our 4 grandchildren were born
>>> by Caesarean (non-elective) and while their mothers would have
>>> preferred otherwise, I can't help think it might have been easier
>>> for the babies. I am firmly of the opinion - after giving birth 3
>>> times, naturally - that there's a design fault in there somehow. What's 
>>> wrong with a zip, I'd like to know!
>>
>> Sometimes zips get stuck!
>>
>> Alan
>
> Ay don't wish to know thet!

Coward!!!

Alan


>
>

"Sacha"  wrote in message 
news:7j77jgF332c4pU2@mid.individual.net...
> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, "Giusi"  said:
>
>>
>> "Sacha"  ha scritto nel messaggio > Apparently - and I do mean 
>> 'apparently
>> ' - some people do.  There's
>>> some who do so naturally and others who are re-birthed by therapists > 
>>> and
>>> experience their birth again.   I would think birth must be a > 
>>> terrifying
>>> process for a baby.   Sacha
>>
>> I don't think so.  Babies don't know what fear is.  Like animals they 
>> have
>> no concept of death and are innocent of thought.  Lucky little B=))(?=. 
>> We
>> have to teach them to be neurotic.
>
> I'd like to think that.  But going from warm, cosy and floating around to 
> squeezed down that dark tunnel strikes me as pretty scary!

Do you think any babies remember that?

Alan



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