On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:59:06 +0200, "Tim C."  wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:02:48 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
><news:Z62dnbWEcMB3vCDXnZ2dnUVZ8nudnZ2d@bt.com> :
>
>> June Hughes wrote:
>>> In message <1t5z6kuly2hxb$.rsdf6tmiyuqy$.dlg@40tude.net>, Mike.. .  . 
>>>  writes
>>>> Following up to Dave
>>>>
>>>>> Even when I get the giblets, there is no
>>>>> sign of them.
>>>>
>>>> you are lucky to get giblets
>>> 
>>> A good butcher will supply them if asked. 
>> 
>> OK on that  :-)
>> I'll ask my good butcher.
>> 
>> Just got some minced venison from him. Before I committed, I asked him 
>> what I could do with it and he said that his wife made shepherds pie 
>> with it.
>> 
>> What would you call it?
>> 
>> Dave
>
>Bambi pie?

Grilled on the hoof?
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Martin

Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:59:06 +0200, "Tim C." 
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:02:48 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
>> <news:Z62dnbWEcMB3vCDXnZ2dnUVZ8nudnZ2d@bt.com> :
>>
>>> June Hughes wrote:
>>>> In message <1t5z6kuly2hxb$.rsdf6tmiyuqy$.dlg@40tude.net>, Mike.. .
>>>> .  writes
>>>>> Following up to Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even when I get the giblets, there is no
>>>>>> sign of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> you are lucky to get giblets
>>>>
>>>> A good butcher will supply them if asked.
>>>
>>> OK on that  :-)
>>> I'll ask my good butcher.
>>>
>>> Just got some minced venison from him. Before I committed, I asked
>>> him what I could do with it and he said that his wife made
>>> shepherds pie with it.
>>>
>>> What would you call it?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> Bambi pie?
>
> Grilled on the hoof?

not on the grill then..

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:42:27 +0100, "Ophelia"  wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:59:06 +0200, "Tim C." 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:02:48 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
>>> <news:Z62dnbWEcMB3vCDXnZ2dnUVZ8nudnZ2d@bt.com> :
>>>
>>>> June Hughes wrote:
>>>>> In message <1t5z6kuly2hxb$.rsdf6tmiyuqy$.dlg@40tude.net>, Mike.. .
>>>>> .  writes
>>>>>> Following up to Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even when I get the giblets, there is no
>>>>>>> sign of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you are lucky to get giblets
>>>>>
>>>>> A good butcher will supply them if asked.
>>>>
>>>> OK on that  :-)
>>>> I'll ask my good butcher.
>>>>
>>>> Just got some minced venison from him. Before I committed, I asked
>>>> him what I could do with it and he said that his wife made
>>>> shepherds pie with it.
>>>>
>>>> What would you call it?
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Bambi pie?
>>
>> Grilled on the hoof?
>
>not on the grill then..

Char broiled?
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:12:41 +0200, Martin wrote in post :
<news:uhd1c5lapn3mc4ptg34nui9ee7uvmt82vf@4ax.com> :

> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:42:27 +0100, "Ophelia"  wrote:
> 
>>Martin wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:59:06 +0200, "Tim C." 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:02:48 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
>>>> <news:Z62dnbWEcMB3vCDXnZ2dnUVZ8nudnZ2d@bt.com> :
>>>>
>>>>> June Hughes wrote:
>>>>>> In message <1t5z6kuly2hxb$.rsdf6tmiyuqy$.dlg@40tude.net>, Mike.. .
>>>>>> .  writes
>>>>>>> Following up to Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even when I get the giblets, there is no
>>>>>>>> sign of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you are lucky to get giblets
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A good butcher will supply them if asked.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK on that  :-)
>>>>> I'll ask my good butcher.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just got some minced venison from him. Before I committed, I asked
>>>>> him what I could do with it and he said that his wife made
>>>>> shepherds pie with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What would you call it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> Bambi pie?
>>>
>>> Grilled on the hoof?
>>
>>not on the grill then..
> 
> Char broiled?

I thought it was venison, not fish? 
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Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:42:27 +0100, "Ophelia"  wrote:
> 
>> Martin wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:59:06 +0200, "Tim C." 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:02:48 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
>>>> <news:Z62dnbWEcMB3vCDXnZ2dnUVZ8nudnZ2d@bt.com> :
>>>>
>>>>> June Hughes wrote:
>>>>>> In message <1t5z6kuly2hxb$.rsdf6tmiyuqy$.dlg@40tude.net>, Mike.. .
>>>>>> .  writes
>>>>>>> Following up to Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even when I get the giblets, there is no
>>>>>>>> sign of them.
>>>>>>> you are lucky to get giblets
>>>>>> A good butcher will supply them if asked.
>>>>> OK on that  :-)
>>>>> I'll ask my good butcher.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just got some minced venison from him. Before I committed, I asked
>>>>> him what I could do with it and he said that his wife made
>>>>> shepherds pie with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What would you call it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>> Bambi pie?
>>> Grilled on the hoof?
>> not on the grill then..
> 
> Char broiled?

What exactly is char broiled. This expression came up in Apollo 13 and I 
have never understood what it really means.


Dave

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:25:03 +0100, Dave  wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:42:27 +0100, "Ophelia"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Martin wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:59:06 +0200, "Tim C." 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:02:48 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
>>>>> <news:Z62dnbWEcMB3vCDXnZ2dnUVZ8nudnZ2d@bt.com> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> June Hughes wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <1t5z6kuly2hxb$.rsdf6tmiyuqy$.dlg@40tude.net>, Mike.. .
>>>>>>> .  writes
>>>>>>>> Following up to Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even when I get the giblets, there is no
>>>>>>>>> sign of them.
>>>>>>>> you are lucky to get giblets
>>>>>>> A good butcher will supply them if asked.
>>>>>> OK on that  :-)
>>>>>> I'll ask my good butcher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just got some minced venison from him. Before I committed, I asked
>>>>>> him what I could do with it and he said that his wife made
>>>>>> shepherds pie with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would you call it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>> Bambi pie?
>>>> Grilled on the hoof?
>>> not on the grill then..
>> 
>> Char broiled?
>
>What exactly is char broiled. This expression came up in Apollo 13 and I 
>have never understood what it really means.

BBQd so that the outside of the meat is burnt. broiled is grilled
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Martin

Following up to Dave 

>> Char broiled?
> 
> What exactly is char broiled. This expression came up in Apollo 13 and I 
> have never understood what it really means.

broiled is US for grilled IIRC
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Martin wrote:

Big snip.

>> What exactly is char broiled. This expression came up in Apollo 13 and I 
>> have never understood what it really means.
> 
> BBQd so that the outside of the meat is burnt. broiled is grilled

Thanks for that Martin. I think I have hit a language problem here.  :-)

Mike, further down, describes it as grilled, but I was pulled up some 
years ago on what a grill is, by Brian Turner, a UK chef.

A grill is bottom heated, as is a barbi, as is a grill pan. One of those 
ridged pans that leave lines on the food.

Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).

We, in the UK, think of a grill as a top heat thing.

Dave

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:05:02 +0100, Dave  wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>
>Big snip.
>
>>> What exactly is char broiled. This expression came up in Apollo 13 and I 
>>> have never understood what it really means.
>> 
>> BBQd so that the outside of the meat is burnt. broiled is grilled
>
>Thanks for that Martin. I think I have hit a language problem here.  :-)
>
>Mike, further down, describes it as grilled, but I was pulled up some 
>years ago on what a grill is, by Brian Turner, a UK chef.
>
>A grill is bottom heated, as is a barbi, as is a grill pan. One of those 
>ridged pans that leave lines on the food.
>
>Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).
>
>We, in the UK, think of a grill as a top heat thing.

Grilling is cooking with radiant heat.
The heat can be above below or to one side.
-- 

Martin

Following up to Dave 

> Mike, further down, describes it as grilled, but I was pulled up some 
> years ago on what a grill is, by Brian Turner, a UK chef.
> 
> A grill is bottom heated, as is a barbi, as is a grill pan. One of those 
> ridged pans that leave lines on the food.

not in general english it isnt!
 
> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).

"salamander" is only really used by "pros", it will be a big powerful bit
of kit for pro kitchens. The word isnt in non chef english use (its also
used for a lump of iron you heat up to finish something like a crema
catalana.)
 
> We, in the UK, think of a grill as a top heat thing.

except if its a grill pan :-)
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:25:03 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
<news:m76dnbEhue_sbF3XnZ2dnUVZ8iBi4p2d@bt.com> :

> What exactly is char broiled. This expression came up in Apollo 13 and I 
> have never understood what it really means.

They couldn't even get the famous  "Houston..."  quote right in that film.
I wouldn't rely on it for cookery tips    :-)

-- 
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On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:05:02 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
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> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).

what? A damp-skinned newt?
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Following up to Tim C. 

>> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).
> 
> what? A damp-skinned newt?

isnt the salamander associated with fire? My dictionary tells me it was
believed to be able to withstand fire by the ancients.
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Following up to Mike.. .  . 

>>> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).
>> 
>> what? A damp-skinned newt?


"http://www.shop-equip.com/lincat-lynx-400-lgt-salamander-grills.html"

this is the catalan "branding iron" salamander (mentioned)
"http://preview.tinyurl.com/ykse3o6"

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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:00:09 +0100, Mike.. .  . wrote in post :
<news:3p0xgjj5wnsd.vg4xpzxiyjcn$.dlg@40tude.net> :

> Following up to Tim C. 
> 
>>> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).
>> 
>> what? A damp-skinned newt?
> 
> isnt the salamander associated with fire? My dictionary tells me it was
> believed to be able to withstand fire by the ancients.

yebbut real salamanders are newts.

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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:53:11 +0200, "Tim C."  wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:25:03 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
><news:m76dnbEhue_sbF3XnZ2dnUVZ8iBi4p2d@bt.com> :
>
>> What exactly is char broiled. This expression came up in Apollo 13 and I 
>> have never understood what it really means.
>
>They couldn't even get the famous  "Houston..."  quote right in that film.
>I wouldn't rely on it for cookery tips    :-)

Apollo 1 was the char broiled Apollo.
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Martin

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:54:07 +0200, "Tim C."  wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:05:02 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
><news:G7adnUVZzPTy9V_XnZ2dnUVZ8sednZ2d@bt.com> :
>
>> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).
>
>what? A damp-skinned newt?

No need to be abusive :)
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Martin

Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:54:07 +0200, "Tim C." 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:05:02 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
>> <news:G7adnUVZzPTy9V_XnZ2dnUVZ8sednZ2d@bt.com> :
>>
>>> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).
>>
>> what? A damp-skinned newt?
>
> No need to be abusive :)

Not as in pi**ed as ... then?

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:48:12 +0200, Martin wrote in post :
<news:op66c5tsmuvsb9fp8jc7l53h85oumt0l8m@4ax.com> :

> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:54:07 +0200, "Tim C."  wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:05:02 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
>><news:G7adnUVZzPTy9V_XnZ2dnUVZ8sednZ2d@bt.com> :
>>
>>> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).
>>
>>what? A damp-skinned newt?
> 
> No need to be abusive :)

 lol
-- 
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Following up to Tim C. 

>  My dictionary tells me it was
>> believed to be able to withstand fire by the ancients.
> 
> yebbut real salamanders are newts.

as were the ones believed to withstand fire.
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Mike.. . . wrote:
> Following up to Dave 
> 
>> Mike, further down, describes it as grilled, but I was pulled up some 
>> years ago on what a grill is, by Brian Turner, a UK chef.
>>
>> A grill is bottom heated, as is a barbi, as is a grill pan. One of those 
>> ridged pans that leave lines on the food.
> 
> not in general english it isnt!

Brian told me that it was. And that a top heat was a salamander.
>  
>> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).
> 
> "salamander" is only really used by "pros", it will be a big powerful bit
> of kit for pro kitchens. The word isnt in non chef english use (its also
> used for a lump of iron you heat up to finish something like a crema
> catalana.)
>  
>> We, in the UK, think of a grill as a top heat thing.

Agreed.
> 
> except if its a grill pan :-)

Ah! now describe a 'grill pan'

Dave

Tim C. wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:05:02 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
> <news:G7adnUVZzPTy9V_XnZ2dnUVZ8sednZ2d@bt.com> :
> 
>> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).
> 
> what? A damp-skinned newt?
But a bloody hot one at that :-)

Dave

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:46:05 +0100, Dave  wrote:

>Mike.. . . wrote:
>> Following up to Dave 
>> 
>>> Mike, further down, describes it as grilled, but I was pulled up some 
>>> years ago on what a grill is, by Brian Turner, a UK chef.
>>>
>>> A grill is bottom heated, as is a barbi, as is a grill pan. One of those 
>>> ridged pans that leave lines on the food.
>> 
>> not in general english it isnt!
>
>Brian told me that it was. And that a top heat was a salamander.
>>  
>>> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).
>> 
>> "salamander" is only really used by "pros", it will be a big powerful bit
>> of kit for pro kitchens. The word isnt in non chef english use (its also
>> used for a lump of iron you heat up to finish something like a crema
>> catalana.)
>>  
>>> We, in the UK, think of a grill as a top heat thing.
>
>Agreed.



You've never seen a rotisserie thing for grilling chickens with the heat
provided from one side? Similar to this
http://www.made-in-china.com/image/4f0j00CvFaETUqqpbzM/Electric-Vertical-Chicken-Grill.jpg

or this
http://www.alpina-grills.be/cooking_with_style_ENG/Products_Rotisseries_gas_Luxor.htm

or this
http://www.saffronmpls.com/html/Taste%20Think%20outside%20the%20box_files/20chicken0327.jpg

or even a kebab grill
http://www.zimbo.com.au/img/1/775_95736_1_g.jpg
-- 

Martin

Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:46:05 +0100, Dave  wrote:
> 
>> Mike.. . . wrote:
>>> Following up to Dave 
>>>
>>>> Mike, further down, describes it as grilled, but I was pulled up some 
>>>> years ago on what a grill is, by Brian Turner, a UK chef.
>>>>
>>>> A grill is bottom heated, as is a barbi, as is a grill pan. One of those 
>>>> ridged pans that leave lines on the food.
>>> not in general english it isnt!
>> Brian told me that it was. And that a top heat was a salamander.
>>>  
>>>> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).
>>> "salamander" is only really used by "pros", it will be a big powerful bit
>>> of kit for pro kitchens. The word isnt in non chef english use (its also
>>> used for a lump of iron you heat up to finish something like a crema
>>> catalana.)
>>>  
>>>> We, in the UK, think of a grill as a top heat thing.
>> Agreed.
> 
> 
> 
> You've never seen a rotisserie thing for grilling chickens with the heat
> provided from one side? Similar to this
> http://www.made-in-china.com/image/4f0j00CvFaETUqqpbzM/Electric-Vertical-Chicken-Grill.jpg
> 
> or this
> http://www.alpina-grills.be/cooking_with_style_ENG/Products_Rotisseries_gas_Luxor.htm
> 
> or this
> http://www.saffronmpls.com/html/Taste%20Think%20outside%20the%20box_files/20chicken0327.jpg
> 
> or even a kebab grill
> http://www.zimbo.com.au/img/1/775_95736_1_g.jpg

OK OK you have beaten me into submission  :-)

Dave

On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:57:30 +0100, Dave  wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:46:05 +0100, Dave  wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike.. . . wrote:
>>>> Following up to Dave 
>>>>
>>>>> Mike, further down, describes it as grilled, but I was pulled up some 
>>>>> years ago on what a grill is, by Brian Turner, a UK chef.
>>>>>
>>>>> A grill is bottom heated, as is a barbi, as is a grill pan. One of those 
>>>>> ridged pans that leave lines on the food.
>>>> not in general english it isnt!
>>> Brian told me that it was. And that a top heat was a salamander.
>>>>  
>>>>> Top heat comes from a salamander (sp).
>>>> "salamander" is only really used by "pros", it will be a big powerful bit
>>>> of kit for pro kitchens. The word isnt in non chef english use (its also
>>>> used for a lump of iron you heat up to finish something like a crema
>>>> catalana.)
>>>>  
>>>>> We, in the UK, think of a grill as a top heat thing.
>>> Agreed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You've never seen a rotisserie thing for grilling chickens with the heat
>> provided from one side? Similar to this
>> http://www.made-in-china.com/image/4f0j00CvFaETUqqpbzM/Electric-Vertical-Chicken-Grill.jpg
>> 
>> or this
>> http://www.alpina-grills.be/cooking_with_style_ENG/Products_Rotisseries_gas_Luxor.htm
>> 
>> or this
>> http://www.saffronmpls.com/html/Taste%20Think%20outside%20the%20box_files/20chicken0327.jpg
>> 
>> or even a kebab grill
>> http://www.zimbo.com.au/img/1/775_95736_1_g.jpg
>
>OK OK you have beaten me into submission  :-)

LOL you win the kebab and take the biscuit.

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Following up to Dave 

>> not in general english it isnt!
> 
> Brian told me that it was. And that a top heat was a salamander.

test it, ask people in the street about salamanders, they will say newt.
That is the test of what words mean in general english. (or you can use a
dictionary, which is usually reliable in reporting usage*) Now between
chefs is something different.......
  
> Ah! now describe a 'grill pan'

I think its that ridged cast iron pan, is that the general view?


*
salamander
noun
1 a newt-like amphibian that typically has bright markings, once thought
able to endure fire.
• Order Urodela: four families, in particular Salamandridae, and numerous
species, including the fire salamander.
2 a mythical lizard-like creature said to live in fire or to be able to
withstand its effects.
3 a metal plate heated and placed over food to brown it.
4 archaic a red-hot iron or poker.

funnily enough I still use 3-4!!! The fancy bit of chefs kit is off most
peoples radar and is part of one flavour of specialist english.
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Following up to Dave 

>> what? A damp-skinned newt?
> But a bloody hot one at that :-)

its probably sweating! :-)
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Mike.. . . wrote:
> Following up to Dave 
> 
>>> what? A damp-skinned newt?
>> But a bloody hot one at that :-)
> 
> its probably sweating! :-)

Nice one Mike. It put a smile on my face  :-)

Dave

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:42:29 +0100, Mike.. .  . wrote in post :
<news:c08p5o2mj02k$.kj2vumxch7bk.dlg@40tude.net> :

> Following up to Dave 
> 
>>> what? A damp-skinned newt?
>> But a bloody hot one at that :-)
> 
> its probably sweating! :-)

 :-) 

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