The death of Keith Floyd set me thinking, why do we have the current round 
of dross TV chefs?

F word Ramsey. Why is swearing consider a "feature"? I'm no prood but I 
don't want it on TV.

Jamie (I can't speak proper like) Oliver. How can we take seriously a chav 
who ruined school dinners?

Then we've the cheap copies of the original Master Chef. Groseman's original 
was a classic and should not have been dumbed down.

River Cottage Hugh is the best of a bad bunch and Rick Stein has his moments 
but, otherwise, I struggle to think of a current TV chef worth watching.

Come back Delia!

Brian

Following up to Brian Reay 

> How can we take seriously a chav 
> who ruined school dinners?

EH?
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Brian Reay wrote:
> The death of Keith Floyd set me thinking, why do we have the current round 
> of dross TV chefs?

I thought the start of Floyd was the demise of cooking programmes. 
although he made cooking entertaining.

It depends on taste I suppose?  Does one want to watch entertainment 
(location) stuff or to learn something?

I've mentioned the Floyd line before.  Even I might become entertaining 
if I threw 3 lobsters and a bottle of champagne into a pot on a portable 
stove with a mountain backdrop.

I guess 'Two Fat Ladies' were a combination of entertainment and cooking?

I don't watch hardly any cooking programmes now.  I find them boring 
especially when they serve the result to friends sat around a table 
together with the compulsory added comments,
"Ooh lovely, super, that's really nice...........

Why do all the supermarkets have to have their resident chef complete 
with shiny new pots?

Must be commercialism, but not seen that on the menu.

"Mike.. . ."  wrote in message 
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> Following up to Brian Reay
>
>> How can we take seriously a chav
>> who ruined school dinners?
>
> EH?
> -- 
Jamie oliver deserves a knighthood for what he did about the scandal of the 
crap that was being fed daily to schoolchildren.

Following up to Saxman 

> I thought the start of Floyd was the demise of cooking programmes. 
> although he made cooking entertaining.

I thought the cooking content was fine, he just made it entertaining, the
demise was when they used reality TV techniques and removed all cooking
content, Hells Kitchen etc.

>I've mentioned the Floyd line before.  Even I might become entertaining 
>if I threw 3 lobsters and a bottle of champagne into a pot on a portable 
>stove with a mountain backdrop.

Did he do that? His spanish series explained all the basic techniques of
spanish cooking.......while being entertaining. And the locals often
*didnt* say it was lovely.
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Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
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In message <kjvlxoh9ycol$.iyn9dtyaujj0.dlg@40tude.net>, Mike.. .  . 
 writes
>Following up to Saxman
>
>> I thought the start of Floyd was the demise of cooking programmes.
>> although he made cooking entertaining.
>
>I thought the cooking content was fine, he just made it entertaining, the
>demise was when they used reality TV techniques and removed all cooking
>content, Hells Kitchen etc.
>
Yes, I agree.  However, I rather like Jamie Oliver, whose father's pub 
you may like to visit next time you are in the wilds of Essex.  We used 
to go there for Sunday lunch some 30 years ago and it still has a good 
reputation.

>>I've mentioned the Floyd line before.  Even I might become entertaining
>>if I threw 3 lobsters and a bottle of champagne into a pot on a portable
>>stove with a mountain backdrop.
>
>Did he do that? His spanish series explained all the basic techniques of
>spanish cooking.......while being entertaining. And the locals often
>*didnt* say it was lovely.

I found him fun.  What happened to that?

-- 
June Hughes

Following up to June Hughes 

>>Did he do that? His spanish series explained all the basic techniques of
>>spanish cooking.......while being entertaining. And the locals often
>>*didnt* say it was lovely.
> 
> I found him fun.  What happened to that?

Yes, a bit less anger from some chefs would be good and a few more jokes,
mind you the "serious" chefs do culinary jokes but on the whole they are as
funny as humourous music.
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Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
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In article ,
   Saxman  wrote:
> Brian Reay wrote:
> > The death of Keith Floyd set me thinking, why do we have the current round 
> > of dross TV chefs?

> I thought the start of Floyd was the demise of cooking programmes. 
> although he made cooking entertaining.

> It depends on taste I suppose?  Does one want to watch entertainment 
> (location) stuff or to learn something?

> I've mentioned the Floyd line before.  Even I might become entertaining 
> if I threw 3 lobsters and a bottle of champagne into a pot on a portable 
> stove with a mountain backdrop.

> I guess 'Two Fat Ladies' were a combination of entertainment and cooking?

> I don't watch hardly any cooking programmes now.  I find them boring 
> especially when they serve the result to friends sat around a table 
> together with the compulsory added comments,
> "Ooh lovely, super, that's really nice...........

> Why do all the supermarkets have to have their resident chef complete 
> with shiny new pots?

> Must be commercialism, but not seen that on the menu.

Liked Floyd when he told the camera to focus on the pot not on him.

Liked Delia and her careful explanations but got a bit exasperated when she
told us what pans to use and then told us they weren't available
commercially - but would be coming out under her name.

Carlucci was interesting to watch but cannot remember anything he said.

Enjoyed quite a bit of HFW but would like to have seen the red-tape when he
sold soup to the public at a market. Maybe there wasn't any if it was a
one-off (and tv clout) but I'm a bit red-tape sensitised. Cannot imagine
being able to sell food to the public without regs, forms & inspections in
triplicate (mainly necessary). Having said that, the WI ("WI Country
Markets" or some such?) seems to have come to some sort of agreement in
that area.

Two Fat Ladies - they've got to be near the top of my list. Good cooking
and fascinating characters. Wonderful programme. I was sad when Jennifer
died.

Wasn't aware school dinners had been ruined - only that the children were
being faced with the sort of food they don't get at home and so don't like
it.

Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; don't give
a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
(can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).

Generally, when there is a cookery programme on ATM, I'll switch off and do
something else. It would be really nice to have more cookery programmes in
the near future as the house could do with a good go-through.

Cheers
Jane

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Jane Gillett   :   j.gillett@higherstert.co.uk   :   Totnes, Devon.

"Saxman"  wrote in message 
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> Brian Reay wrote:
>> The death of Keith Floyd set me thinking, why do we have the current 
>> round of dross TV chefs?
>
> I thought the start of Floyd was the demise of cooking programmes. 
> although he made cooking entertaining.
>

You'd "like" the new cooking show on this side of the pond.  2 ditzy young 
women review some new book by cooking a half dozen recipes in a set time 
whereupon the author turns up to criticise their efforts.  They haven't a 
clue how to cook and their ham-fisted attempts at dishes way beyond them is 
a constant embarrassment  They are lookers though!
Graham

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
 wrote:

>Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; don't give
>a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>(can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).

That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
reduced to contests.

Steve

-- 
Neural Planner Software Ltd                  www.NPSL1.com

On 2009-09-25 15:21:41 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme 
 said:

> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; don't give
>> a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>> (can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
> 
> That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
> ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
> reduced to contests.
> 
> Steve

We watched that Land of the Volcano thing for a while and felt it was 
more about the people and how brave they are, than about the wildlife 
they encountered, so that's another 'sleb' programme we've abandoned.
-- 
Sacha

In message , Stephen 
Wolstenholme  writes
>On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
> wrote:
>
>>Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; don't give
>>a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>>(can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>
>That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>reduced to contests.
>
Looks like it's back to 'New Tricks' then.  There aren't many programmes 
I like but that is certainly one of them.  There's no accounting for 
taste :)
-- 
June Hughes

In message , Stephen 
Wolstenholme  writes
>On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
> wrote:
>
>>Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; don't give
>>a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>>(can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>
>That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>reduced to contests.
>
>Steve
>
Apols.  I did a follow-up to this post saying I didn't watch much tv but 
like 'New Tricks' but it seems to have disappeared.  Very strange.
-- 
June Hughes

On 2009-09-25 15:35:42 +0100, June Hughes 
 said:

> In message , Stephen 
> Wolstenholme  writes
>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; don't give
>>> a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>>> (can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>> 
>> That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>> ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>> reduced to contests.
>> 
> Looks like it's back to 'New Tricks' then.  There aren't many 
> programmes I like but that is certainly one of them.  There's no 
> accounting for taste :)

That's a definitely must not miss it for us - good scripts, good 
acting, good plots.  I also like Waking The Dead but find the direction 
a bit irritating in that they keep interrupting each other.  I think 
that's supposed to create the impression of haste, urgency drama etc. 
but usually ends up with each of us saying "eh, what did s/he say?" 
about 5 times an episode!
-- 
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:59:07 +0100, Sacha  wrote:

>On 2009-09-25 15:21:41 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme 
> said:
>
>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; don't give
>>> a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>>> (can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>> 
>> That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>> ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>> reduced to contests.
>> 
>> Steve
>
>We watched that Land of the Volcano thing for a while and felt it was 
>more about the people and how brave they are, than about the wildlife 
>they encountered, so that's another 'sleb' programme we've abandoned.

There could have been more wildlife content but at least there is no
suggestion of phoning to vote people onto the next flight home. 

Steve

 
-- 
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On 2009-09-25 16:22:08 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme 
 said:

> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:59:07 +0100, Sacha  wrote:
> 
>> On 2009-09-25 15:21:41 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
>>  said:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; don't give
>>>> a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>>>> (can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>>> 
>>> That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>>> ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>>> reduced to contests.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>> 
>> We watched that Land of the Volcano thing for a while and felt it was
>> more about the people and how brave they are, than about the wildlife
>> they encountered, so that's another 'sleb' programme we've abandoned.
> 
> There could have been more wildlife content but at least there is no
> suggestion of phoning to vote people onto the next flight home.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 

Is that a good thing?  ;-)
-- 
Sacha

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:35:42 +0100, June Hughes 
wrote:

>In message , Stephen 
>Wolstenholme  writes
>>On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; don't give
>>>a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>>>(can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>>
>>That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>>ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>>reduced to contests.
>>
>Looks like it's back to 'New Tricks' then.  

Too late, the final episode was last night.
-- 

Martin

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:18:58 +0100, June Hughes 
wrote:

>In message , Stephen 
>Wolstenholme  writes
>>On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; don't give
>>>a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>>>(can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>>
>>That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>>ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>>reduced to contests.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>Apols.  I did a follow-up to this post saying I didn't watch much tv but 
>like 'New Tricks' but it seems to have disappeared.  Very strange.

THE FINAL EPISODE WAS LAST NIGHT!
-- 

Martin

"Beatrice" <me@me.beatrsice> wrote in message 
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>
> "Mike.. . ."  wrote in message 
> news:1gemg9ql2g0jh$.1ekh7oylqc88m.dlg@40tude.net...
>> Following up to Brian Reay
>>
>>> How can we take seriously a chav
>>> who ruined school dinners?
>>
>> EH?
>> -- 
> Jamie oliver deserves a knighthood for what he did about the scandal of 
> the crap that was being fed daily to schoolchildren.

A lot of nonsense is spouted about school dinners. Not least of which is the 
impact on the pupils. Remember, a school dinner is one meal in the day and 
they are not eaten 365 days a years, more like 200. Add the fact that not 
every pupil eats them and those given to a more critical train of thought 
will see the "scale" of the supposed issue. Encouraging parents to feed less 
"junk food" for the other 2 or 3 meals a day would be far more effective.

Any (supposed) impact Jamie Oliver is supposed to have had is diluted by the 
fact that some pupils simply no longer eat school meals and bring in their 
own "junk food".  In some areas, the local chippy probably sends Jamie a 
"cut".  In the less well off areas, pupils will be eating as much (if not 
more) junk food and their parents paying more for it.

Thankfully, the school I teach in still has a good school meal service and I 
enjoy my Friday fish and chips treat.

Brian

In message , Sacha 
 writes
>On 2009-09-25 15:35:42 +0100, June Hughes 
> said:
>
>> In message , Stephen 
>>Wolstenholme  writes
>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; 
>>>>don't give
>>>> a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>>>> (can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>>>  That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>>> ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>>> reduced to contests.
>>>
>> Looks like it's back to 'New Tricks' then.  There aren't many 
>>programmes I like but that is certainly one of them.  There's no 
>>accounting for taste :)
>
>That's a definitely must not miss it for us - good scripts, good 
>acting, good plots.  I also like Waking The Dead but find the direction 
>a bit irritating in that they keep interrupting each other.  I think 
>that's supposed to create the impression of haste, urgency drama etc. 
>but usually ends up with each of us saying "eh, what did s/he say?" 
>about 5 times an episode!

I haven't seen that.  Must look out for it.
-- 
June Hughes

In message , Stephen 
Wolstenholme  writes
>On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:59:07 +0100, Sacha  wrote:
>
>>On 2009-09-25 15:21:41 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
>> said:
>>
>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; don't give
>>>> a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>>>> (can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>>>
>>> That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>>> ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>>> reduced to contests.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>We watched that Land of the Volcano thing for a while and felt it was
>>more about the people and how brave they are, than about the wildlife
>>they encountered, so that's another 'sleb' programme we've abandoned.
>
>There could have been more wildlife content but at least there is no
>suggestion of phoning to vote people onto the next flight home.
>
>Steve
>
>
I haven't seen that either.  As 'Professor Layton and Pandora's Box' has 
just arrived, I don't expect to be seeing much TV in the forseeable 
future.  I enjoyed The Choir, with Gareth whats-his-name, especially 
when they did a petition and he stayed on as choirmaster after the end 
of the series.
-- 
June Hughes

On 2009-09-25 17:35:50 +0100, June Hughes 
 said:

> In message , Sacha 
>  writes
>> On 2009-09-25 15:35:42 +0100, June Hughes 
>>  said:
>> 
>>> In message , Stephen 
>>> Wolstenholme  writes
>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; don't give
>>>>> a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>>>>> (can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>>>>  That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>>>> ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>>>> reduced to contests.
>>>> 
>>> Looks like it's back to 'New Tricks' then.  There aren't many 
>>> programmes I like but that is certainly one of them.  There's no 
>>> accounting for taste :)
>> 
>> That's a definitely must not miss it for us - good scripts, good 
>> acting, good plots.  I also like Waking The Dead but find the direction 
>> a bit irritating in that they keep interrupting each other.  I think 
>> that's supposed to create the impression of haste, urgency drama etc. 
>> but usually ends up with each of us saying "eh, what did s/he say?" 
>> about 5 times an episode!
> 
> I haven't seen that.  Must look out for it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006r9ys
-- 
Sacha

Mike.. . . wrote:
> Following up to June Hughes 
> 
>>> Did he do that? His spanish series explained all the basic techniques of
>>> spanish cooking.......while being entertaining. And the locals often
>>> *didnt* say it was lovely.
>> I found him fun.  What happened to that?
> 
> Yes, a bit less anger from some chefs would be good and a few more jokes,
> mind you the "serious" chefs do culinary jokes but on the whole they are as
> funny as humourous music.


I quite liked Marco Pier White (sp) when he took over on Hell's Kitchen. 
He came across as a very relaxed, despite is reputation.

Dave

In message , Sacha 
 writes
>On 2009-09-25 17:35:50 +0100, June Hughes 
> said:
>
>> In message , Sacha 
>> writes
>>> On 2009-09-25 15:35:42 +0100, June Hughes 
>>> said:
>>>
>>>> In message , Stephen 
>>>>Wolstenholme  writes
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; 
>>>>>>don't give
>>>>>> a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>>>>>> (can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>>>>>  That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>>>>> ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>>>>> reduced to contests.
>>>>>
>>>> Looks like it's back to 'New Tricks' then.  There aren't many 
>>>>programmes I like but that is certainly one of them.  There's no 
>>>>accounting for taste :)
>>>  That's a definitely must not miss it for us - good scripts, good 
>>>acting, good plots.  I also like Waking The Dead but find the 
>>>direction  a bit irritating in that they keep interrupting each 
>>>other.  I think  that's supposed to create the impression of haste, 
>>>urgency drama etc.  but usually ends up with each of us saying "eh, 
>>>what did s/he say?" about 5 times an episode!
>>  I haven't seen that.  Must look out for it.
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006r9ys

Ah!  Thank-you Sacha.
-- 
June Hughes

Saxman wrote:
> Brian Reay wrote:
>> The death of Keith Floyd set me thinking, why do we have the current 
>> round of dross TV chefs?
> 
> I thought the start of Floyd was the demise of cooking programmes. 
> although he made cooking entertaining.
> 
> It depends on taste I suppose?  Does one want to watch entertainment 
> (location) stuff or to learn something?

I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask questions on 
here that I should know already, but it is surprising what comes back in 
the answers.

> I've mentioned the Floyd line before.  Even I might become entertaining 
> if I threw 3 lobsters and a bottle of champagne into a pot on a portable 
> stove with a mountain backdrop.
> 
> I guess 'Two Fat Ladies' were a combination of entertainment and cooking?

I agree with you on that. I liked to watch them whenever I could.
You didn't mention ready, steady, cook. I found that was entertaining 
and educational as well. The use of an electrical kitchen mixer, to mash 
potatoes, was something I took up from that show.

Dave

June Hughes wrote:
> In message , Stephen 
> Wolstenholme  writes
>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; 
>>> don't give
>>> a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is 
>>> "runner-up"
>>> (can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>>
>> That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>> ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>> reduced to contests.
>>
> Looks like it's back to 'New Tricks' then.  There aren't many programmes 
> I like but that is certainly one of them.  There's no accounting for 
> taste :)

That is an exceptionally good programme with a cast this fits the plot 
lines to a tee. Who ever thought of casting that lot together deserves a 
medal.

Dave

"Dave"  wrote in message 
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 >
> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask questions on 
> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what comes back in 
> the answers.
>

Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?

Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.

Brian

Brian Reay wrote:
> "Dave"  wrote in message 
> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>  >
>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask questions on 
>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what comes back in 
>> the answers.
>>
> 
> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
> 
> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.

Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
Stick with it.

I came to cooking quite late in my life and I have lots of questions, 
being a novice. This ng has been very helpful and now I have taken up 
bread making with a bread making machine, I also post in alt bread 
recipes. Lots of very helpful folks around both ng's.

Dave

graham  wrote:

> "Saxman"  wrote in message 
> news:q5-dnaw9PapYcibXnZ2dnUVZ8lydnZ2d@bt.com...
> >
> > I thought the start of Floyd was the demise of cooking programmes. 
> > although he made cooking entertaining.

Maybe that's the reason: these are shows, not lessons.
I think I'd take them more seriously if you didn't see the host(ess)
that much.

Also, people praising their own food lack humility and I don't know
about you but I _hate_ seeing food cook without smelling it, then seeing
it eaten by other people. :)
 

> You'd "like" the new cooking show on this side of the pond.  2 ditzy young
> women review some new book by cooking a half dozen recipes in a set time
> whereupon the author turns up to criticise their efforts. 

That could be an interesting concept: we have magazines testing consumer
appliances and cars, when will we have a programme that tests cookbooks?

"And *this* is what that prat's recipe really looks like when made by
normal people without a whole team in production to support them". <g>



Greg

-- 
I just might say it tonight

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"Gregoire Kretz"  wrote in message 
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> graham  wrote:
>
>> "Saxman"  wrote in message
>> news:q5-dnaw9PapYcibXnZ2dnUVZ8lydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> >
>> > I thought the start of Floyd was the demise of cooking programmes.
>> > although he made cooking entertaining.
>
> Maybe that's the reason: these are shows, not lessons.
> I think I'd take them more seriously if you didn't see the host(ess)
> that much.
>
> Also, people praising their own food lack humility and I don't know
> about you but I _hate_ seeing food cook without smelling it, then seeing
> it eaten by other people. :)
>
>
>> You'd "like" the new cooking show on this side of the pond.  2 ditzy 
>> young
>> women review some new book by cooking a half dozen recipes in a set time
>> whereupon the author turns up to criticise their efforts.
>
> That could be an interesting concept: we have magazines testing consumer
> appliances and cars, when will we have a programme that tests cookbooks?
>
> "And *this* is what that prat's recipe really looks like when made by
> normal people without a whole team in production to support them". <g>
>
>
These 2 ditzes do just that! 
http://www.wnetwork.com/Shows/Anna-Kristinas-Grocery-Bag.aspx
They review a fancy cookbook by cooking recipes from it.  The trouble is, 
they couldn't cook a recipe from Delia if they tried!  I don't think they 
can even boil an egg without screwing up somewhere!
Graham

In message , Sacha 
 writes
>On 2009-09-25 17:35:50 +0100, June Hughes 
> said:
>
>> In message , Sacha 
>> writes
>>> On 2009-09-25 15:35:42 +0100, June Hughes 
>>> said:
>>>
>>>> In message , Stephen 
>>>>Wolstenholme  writes
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:22 +0100, Jane Gillett
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hate, hate, hate the current everything-must-be-a-contest style; 
>>>>>>don't give
>>>>>> a ****** who wins/loses or, to be in the modern idiom, who is "runner-up"
>>>>>> (can't have losers - spoils the ego or something).
>>>>>  That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
>>>>> ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
>>>>> reduced to contests.
>>>>>
>>>> Looks like it's back to 'New Tricks' then.  There aren't many 
>>>>programmes I like but that is certainly one of them.  There's no 
>>>>accounting for taste :)
>>>  That's a definitely must not miss it for us - good scripts, good 
>>>acting, good plots.  I also like Waking The Dead but find the 
>>>direction  a bit irritating in that they keep interrupting each 
>>>other.  I think  that's supposed to create the impression of haste, 
>>>urgency drama etc.  but usually ends up with each of us saying "eh, 
>>>what did s/he say?" about 5 times an episode!
>>  I haven't seen that.  Must look out for it.
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006r9ys

Watched it on TV last night and shall try and watch the final episode 
this evening.  I couldn't understand some of it but that was probably 
because Professor Layton and Pandora's Box arrived on Saturday morning 
and I was playing that at the same time as watching.
-- 
June Hughes

Following up to Brian Reay 

> Encouraging parents to feed less 
> "junk food" for the other 2 or 3 meals a day would be far more effective.

why not do both? The school meals are in our control, the other food
isnt.....
-- 
Mike... .  .   .    .  
Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
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Following up to Jane Gillett 

>> Must be commercialism, but not seen that on the menu.
> 
> Liked Floyd when he told the camera to focus on the pot not on him.

were they fancy pots? Not usually.

What you want to think about is the oncoming product placement which may be
allowed. Then think of what programmes will be favoured/not made. Anyone
want to product place in "The Office"? Cue gloosy US style innane crap.
-- 
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Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
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Following up to Stephen Wolstenholme 

> That's my present hate of TV programs in general. Everything from
> ballroom dancing to people trying to film wild animals has been
> reduced to contests.

the recent Papua New Guniea programmes were a breath of fresh rain. Notice
the product placed interminable tinned spaghetti :-)
-- 
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Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
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Following up to Sacha 

> We watched that Land of the Volcano thing for a while and felt it was 
> more about the people and how brave they are, than about the wildlife 
> they encountered, so that's another 'sleb' programme we've abandoned.

I thought it excellent!
-- 
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Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
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Following up to June Hughes 

> I haven't seen that either.

its on iplayer but it was one of those things that work best full screen, a
must see IMHO, I had no problem in seeing the experts doing the exploring,
thoise wildlife progs with classical music and a voice over can be very
dull. In any case is Attenborogh an unknown face?
-- 
Mike... .  .   .    .  
Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
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Following up to graham 

> They are lookers though!

thats the only important thing.
-- 
Mike... .  .   .    .  
Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
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Following up to Gregoire Kretz 

> but I _hate_ seeing food cook without smelling it, then seeing
> it eaten by other people. :)

then throw away your TV, second hand is not for you!
-- 
Mike... .  .   .    .  
Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
remove clothing to email

Following up to Brian Reay 

> Encouraging parents to feed less 
> "junk food" for the other 2 or 3 meals a day would be far more effective.

why not do both? The school meals are in our control, the other food 
isnt.....

....I think we have changed the ethos in schools, its no longer OK to
accept Coke machines for free, its no longer acceptable to just provide the
advertised crap the kids think good, instead we *try* and educate them, as
in other things. It will not be 100% successful, but thats no reason to
give up on education, in food or generally. BJ (before Jamie) we had given
up and let the crap food business roll over us.
-- 
Mike... .  .   .    .  
Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
remove clothing to email

Following up to June Hughes 

>> I haven't seen that either.

In any case is Attenborogh an unknown face?

I think the thing with the volcano programme is that the people were real
experts, not celebs. More so that Attenborough probably.

-- 
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Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
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"Mike.. . ."  wrote in message 
news:yzq6uphscs4t.pynlktmzn8vg$.dlg@40tude.net...
> Following up to Brian Reay
>
>> Encouraging parents to feed less
>> "junk food" for the other 2 or 3 meals a day would be far more effective.
>
> why not do both? The school meals are in our control, the other food
> isnt.....
>
> ....I think we have changed the ethos in schools, its no longer OK to
> accept Coke machines for free, its no longer acceptable to just provide 
> the
> advertised crap the kids think good, instead we *try* and educate them, as
> in other things. It will not be 100% successful, but thats no reason to
> give up on education, in food or generally. BJ (before Jamie)  and let the 
> crap food business roll over us.

What is this "we had given up"? May be you had but we should we all be told 
what we can enjoy because some can't resist the "junk food" industry?

Perhaps some people can decide that, every now than then, they'd like a 
BigMac or Fish and Chips.

No one forces people to eat "junk food" nor is it cheap- that is a myth put 
out to excuse those who can't be bothered to buy the ingredients and cook 
"from scratch".

Brian
(Who enjoys good food but also enjoys his Friday fish and chip school dinner 
and the odd BigMac.)

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:25:11 +0100, "Brian Reay" <see@website.invalid>
wrote:

>
>"Mike.. . ."  wrote in message 
>news:yzq6uphscs4t.pynlktmzn8vg$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> Following up to Brian Reay
>>
>>> Encouraging parents to feed less
>>> "junk food" for the other 2 or 3 meals a day would be far more effective.
>>
>> why not do both? The school meals are in our control, the other food
>> isnt.....
>>
>> ....I think we have changed the ethos in schools, its no longer OK to
>> accept Coke machines for free, its no longer acceptable to just provide 
>> the
>> advertised crap the kids think good, instead we *try* and educate them, as
>> in other things. It will not be 100% successful, but thats no reason to
>> give up on education, in food or generally. BJ (before Jamie)  and let the 
>> crap food business roll over us.
>
>What is this "we had given up"? May be you had but we should we all be told 
>what we can enjoy because some can't resist the "junk food" industry?
>
>Perhaps some people can decide that, every now than then, they'd like a 
>BigMac or Fish and Chips.
>
>No one forces people to eat "junk food" nor is it cheap- that is a myth put 
>out to excuse those who can't be bothered to buy the ingredients and cook 
>"from scratch".
>
>Brian
>(Who enjoys good food but also enjoys his Friday fish and chip school dinner 
>and the odd BigMac.)

Mike Reid AKA "Mike.. . ." is a troll and it's best not to feed him.

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave 
wrote:

>Brian Reay wrote:
>> "Dave"  wrote in message 
>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>  >
>>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask questions on 
>>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what comes back in 
>>> the answers.
>>>
>> 
>> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
>> 
>> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.
>
>Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
>Stick with it.

Why, what's wrong with Paul?

"Jack"  wrote in message 
news:31d4c55esio8glanh57t32giivhnfs6lou@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave 
> wrote:
>
>>Brian Reay wrote:
>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>  >
>>>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask questions 
>>>> on
>>>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what comes back 
>>>> in
>>>> the answers.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
>>>
>>> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.
>>
>>Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
>>Stick with it.
>
> Why, what's wrong with Paul?

If you have to ask that, you've not come across him. Try to keep it that 
way.

Brian

"Steve" <1ste@zen.uk.invalid> wrote in message 
news:glc4c5d557iagfebvj2pp43k9c794klu89@4ax.com...
 >
> Mike Reid AKA "Mike.. . ." is a troll and it's best not to feed him.
>

Not even a BigMac? ;-)

Brian

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:36:59 +0100, "Brian Reay" <see@website.invalid>
wrote:

>"Steve" <1ste@zen.uk.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:glc4c5d557iagfebvj2pp43k9c794klu89@4ax.com...
> >
>> Mike Reid AKA "Mike.. . ." is a troll and it's best not to feed him.
>>
>
>Not even a BigMac? ;-)
>
>Brian 

Well, only if he chokes on it ;-)

In message <UAqwm.222249$LX3.170064@newsfe17.ams2>, Brian Reay 
<see@website.invalid> writes
>
>"Jack"  wrote in message
>news:31d4c55esio8glanh57t32giivhnfs6lou@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Brian Reay wrote:
>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>  >
>>>>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask questions
>>>>> on
>>>>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what comes back
>>>>> in
>>>>> the answers.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
>>>>
>>>> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.
>>>
>>>Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
>>>Stick with it.
>>
>> Why, what's wrong with Paul?
>
>If you have to ask that, you've not come across him. Try to keep it that
>way.
>
>Brian
>
>
Paul who?
-- 
June Hughes

"June Hughes"  wrote in message 
news:VVwrA2D2kjwKFwgE@theacct.demon.co.uk...
 >>
>>
> Paul who?

June, have you ever heard the expression "Speak of the Devil and his horns 
shall appear." ?

Unless you what (even) more dross postings  on here, think yourself lucky 
you've not heard of this Paul.

Brian

June Hughes wrote:

> In message <UAqwm.222249$LX3.170064@newsfe17.ams2>, Brian Reay
> <see@website.invalid> writes
>>
>>"Jack"  wrote in message
>>news:31d4c55esio8glanh57t32giivhnfs6lou@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Brian Reay wrote:
>>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>  >
>>>>>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask
>>>>>> questions on
>>>>>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what comes
>>>>>> back in
>>>>>> the answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.
>>>>
>>>>Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
>>>>Stick with it.
>>>
>>> Why, what's wrong with Paul?
>>
>>If you have to ask that, you've not come across him. Try to keep it
>>that way.
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>
> Paul who?

Paul Starship, EI

Brian Reay has been hounding this poor unfotunate disabled chap with
accusations of aspergers and cheating in exam and other bullying
tactics for years and years.

He was also responsable for the arrest of another poster who disagred
with him, bt using his freemason friends in the police. Unfortunatly
the policeman involved with the arrest committed suicide afterwards.
The wiltshire gazete gave an account but I do not have the link to
hand. Someone else might have it.

Brian Reay is abig head type of chap who is never wrong in his own mind

He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.

If you have any sense at all, do not give him any bandwidth on ukfdm. If
yuo do you will regret it

In article , Fatwigwearer says...


> He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
> 
That alone makes him one of the few worthwhile bothering with.



-- 
Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk
I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either - Scott Adams

In message , Fatwigwearer  writes
>June Hughes wrote:
>
>> In message <UAqwm.222249$LX3.170064@newsfe17.ams2>, Brian Reay
>> <see@website.invalid> writes
>>>
>>>"Jack"  wrote in message
>>>news:31d4c55esio8glanh57t32giivhnfs6lou@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Brian Reay wrote:
>>>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask
>>>>>>> questions on
>>>>>>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what comes
>>>>>>> back in
>>>>>>> the answers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
>>>>>Stick with it.
>>>>
>>>> Why, what's wrong with Paul?
>>>
>>>If you have to ask that, you've not come across him. Try to keep it
>>>that way.
>>>
>>>Brian
>>>
>>>
>> Paul who?
>
>Paul Starship, EI
>
>Brian Reay has been hounding this poor unfotunate disabled chap with
>accusations of aspergers and cheating in exam and other bullying
>tactics for years and years.
>
>He was also responsable for the arrest of another poster who disagred
>with him, bt using his freemason friends in the police. Unfortunatly
>the policeman involved with the arrest committed suicide afterwards.
>The wiltshire gazete gave an account but I do not have the link to
>hand. Someone else might have it.
>
>Brian Reay is abig head type of chap who is never wrong in his own mind
>
>He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
>
>If you have any sense at all, do not give him any bandwidth on ukfdm. If
>yuo do you will regret it
>
>
My father was a keen amateur radio enthusiast and got a 'Worked all 
Britain' award before he died in 1992.  I always regretted that he died 
before the internet became what it is today but am now beginning to 
wonder whether or not her was better off not knowing about it.  People 
can be very unkind but it is easy to kill-file a poster if you don't 
like him/her.
-- 
June Hughes

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:28:36 +0100, "Brian Reay" <see@website.invalid>
wrote:

[ nasty word snipped  + childish remarks nipped too ]

Brian dear Brian..

Next time... read the screen before you decide show the world your 
ability to behave properly.

Conor. wrote:
> In article , Fatwigwearer says...
> 
> 
>> He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
>>
> That alone makes him one of the few worthwhile bothering with.
> 
> 
> 
God you set your sights low if you think that! Any sign of getting round 
to sitting the test yet?


Len GM0ONX

June Hughes wrote:

> In message , Fatwigwearer 
> writes
>>June Hughes wrote:
>>
>>> In message <UAqwm.222249$LX3.170064@newsfe17.ams2>, Brian Reay
>>> <see@website.invalid> writes
>>>>
>>>>"Jack"  wrote in message
>>>>news:31d4c55esio8glanh57t32giivhnfs6lou@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Brian Reay wrote:
>>>>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask
>>>>>>>> questions on
>>>>>>>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what
>>>>>>>> comes back in
>>>>>>>> the answers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
>>>>>>Stick with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why, what's wrong with Paul?
>>>>
>>>>If you have to ask that, you've not come across him. Try to keep it
>>>>that way.
>>>>
>>>>Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Paul who?
>>
>>Paul Starship, EI
>>
>>Brian Reay has been hounding this poor unfotunate disabled chap with
>>accusations of aspergers and cheating in exam and other bullying
>>tactics for years and years.
>>
>>He was also responsable for the arrest of another poster who disagred
>>with him, bt using his freemason friends in the police. Unfortunatly
>>the policeman involved with the arrest committed suicide afterwards.
>>The wiltshire gazete gave an account but I do not have the link to
>>hand. Someone else might have it.
>>
>>Brian Reay is abig head type of chap who is never wrong in his own
>>mind
>>
>>He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
>>
>>If you have any sense at all, do not give him any bandwidth on ukfdm.
>>If yuo do you will regret it
>>
>>
> My father was a keen amateur radio enthusiast and got a 'Worked all
> Britain' award before he died in 1992.  I always regretted that he
> died before the internet became what it is today but am now beginning
> to
> wonder whether or not her was better off not knowing about it.  People
> can be very unkind but it is easy to kill-file a poster if you don't
> like him/her.

Hello June

Im sorry about your father but you are right about the intrenet.

My dad spent his whole life in pritning and he did hate the internet

I could not undrstand why it upset him so much but i think I do.

Please accept my appologies for coming into your group but I am fear of
that  Brian Reay will try to take you over and make insulting remarks .
like he has made to a lot of other chaps in thepast.

Paul Starship wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:28:36 +0100, "Brian Reay" <see@website.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> [ nasty word snipped  + childish remarks nipped too ]
> 
> Brian dear Brian..
> 
> Next time... read the screen before you decide show the world your 
> ability to behave properly.
> 
> 
why should he be ashamed of an ability to behave properly?

-- 
;-)
..
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
..
http://turner-smith.co.uk

Fatwigwearer wrote:
> Hello June
> 
> Im sorry about your father but you are right about the intrenet.
> 
> My dad spent his whole life in pritning and he did hate the internet
> 
> I could not undrstand why it upset him so much but i think I do.
> 
> Please accept my appologies for coming into your group but I am fear of
> that  Brian Reay will try to take you over and make insulting remarks .
> like he has made to a lot of other chaps in thepast.  
> 
would you care to repeat that in English with a spell checker running?
-- 
;-)
..
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
..
http://turner-smith.co.uk

Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI wrote:

> Fatwigwearer wrote:
>> Hello June
>> 
>> Im sorry about your father but you are right about the intrenet.
>> 
>> My dad spent his whole life in pritning and he did hate the internet
>> 
>> I could not undrstand why it upset him so much but i think I do.
>> 
>> Please accept my appologies for coming into your group but I am fear
>> of
>> that  Brian Reay will try to take you over and make insulting remarks
>> . like he has made to a lot of other chaps in thepast.
>> 
> would you care to repeat that in English with a spell checker running?

You are one of the Brian fans and you are drunk out of youre skull all
of the times on the groups which explains your attitude and rudeness to
people....... like Brian is

> Brian Reay has been hounding this poor unfotunate disabled chap with
> accusations of aspergers and cheating in exam and other bullying
> tactics for years and years.
>
> He was also responsable for the arrest of another poster who disagred
> with him, bt using his freemason friends in the police. Unfortunatly
> the policeman involved with the arrest committed suicide afterwards.
> The wiltshire gazete gave an account but I do not have the link to
> hand. Someone else might have it.
>
> Brian Reay is abig head type of chap who is never wrong in his own mind
>
> He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
>
> If you have any sense at all, do not give him any bandwidth on ukfdm. If
> yuo do you will regret it
>
>
but he doesn't wear a wig...I checked at Kempton ....

"Brian Reay" <see@website.invalid> wrote in message 
news:WcQum.184843$I07.158525@newsfe04.ams2...
> The death of Keith Floyd set me thinking, why do we have the current round 
> of dross TV chefs?
>
> F word Ramsey. Why is swearing consider a "feature"? I'm no prood but I 
> don't want it on TV.
>
> Jamie (I can't speak proper like) Oliver. How can we take seriously a chav 
> who ruined school dinners?
>
> Then we've the cheap copies of the original Master Chef. Groseman's 
> original was a classic and should not have been dumbed down.
>
> River Cottage Hugh is the best of a bad bunch and Rick Stein has his 
> moments but, otherwise, I struggle to think of a current TV chef worth 
> watching.
>
> Come back Delia!
>
> Brian
>
>

naw ....Fanny Cradock and Johnnie were better ....

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:42:38 +0100, Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
 wrote:


Grow up.

"Fatwigwearer"  wrote in message 
news:4ac279fd@x-privat.org...
> Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI wrote:
>
>> Fatwigwearer wrote:
>>> Hello June
>>>
>>> Im sorry about your father but you are right about the intrenet.
>>>
>>> My dad spent his whole life in pritning and he did hate the internet
>>>
>>> I could not undrstand why it upset him so much but i think I do.
>>>
>>> Please accept my appologies for coming into your group but I am fear
>>> of
>>> that  Brian Reay will try to take you over and make insulting remarks
>>> . like he has made to a lot of other chaps in thepast.
>>>
>> would you care to repeat that in English with a spell checker running?
>
> You are one of the Brian fans and you are drunk out of youre skull all
> of the times on the groups which explains your attitude and rudeness to
> people....... like Brian is
>
>
Nope, it's not much better with the spelling checked

Steve Terry

Jim Stewart ... wrote:
>> Brian Reay has been hounding this poor unfotunate disabled chap with
>> accusations of aspergers and cheating in exam and other bullying
>> tactics for years and years.
>>
>> He was also responsable for the arrest of another poster who disagred
>> with him, bt using his freemason friends in the police. Unfortunatly
>> the policeman involved with the arrest committed suicide afterwards.
>> The wiltshire gazete gave an account but I do not have the link to
>> hand. Someone else might have it.
>>
>> Brian Reay is abig head type of chap who is never wrong in his own mind
>>
>> He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
>>
>> If you have any sense at all, do not give him any bandwidth on ukfdm. If
>> yuo do you will regret it
>>
>>
> but he doesn't wear a wig...I checked at Kempton .... 
> 
> 

I told everyone on here that earlier this year and no body would believe me!

"Len GM0ONX"  wrote in message 
news:h9tv3t$607$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Jim Stewart ... wrote:
>>> Brian Reay has been hounding this poor unfotunate disabled chap with
>>> accusations of aspergers and cheating in exam and other bullying
>>> tactics for years and years.
>>>
>>> He was also responsable for the arrest of another poster who disagred
>>> with him, bt using his freemason friends in the police. Unfortunatly
>>> the policeman involved with the arrest committed suicide afterwards.
>>> The wiltshire gazete gave an account but I do not have the link to
>>> hand. Someone else might have it.
>>>
>>> Brian Reay is abig head type of chap who is never wrong in his own mind
>>>
>>> He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
>>>
>>> If you have any sense at all, do not give him any bandwidth on ukfdm. If
>>> yuo do you will regret it
>>>
>>>
>> but he doesn't wear a wig...I checked at Kempton ....
>
> I told everyone on here that earlier this year and no body would believe 
> me!

we should have listened to you Len .........

"Jim Stewart ..."  wrote in message 
news:N2vwm.99838$OO7.49076@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
>
>> Brian Reay has been hounding this poor unfotunate disabled chap with
>> accusations of aspergers and cheating in exam and other bullying
>> tactics for years and years.
>>
>> He was also responsable for the arrest of another poster who disagred
>> with him, bt using his freemason friends in the police. Unfortunatly
>> the policeman involved with the arrest committed suicide afterwards.
>> The wiltshire gazete gave an account but I do not have the link to
>> hand. Someone else might have it.
>>
>> Brian Reay is abig head type of chap who is never wrong in his own mind
>>
>> He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
>>
>> If you have any sense at all, do not give him any bandwidth on ukfdm. If
>> yuo do you will regret it
>>
>>
> but he doesn't wear a wig...I checked at Kempton ....
>
What, you gave it a tug?!
How do you know he wasn't using industrial strength superglue?

You mustn't underestimate freemasons

Steve Terry

>> but he doesn't wear a wig...I checked at Kempton ....
>>
> What, you gave it a tug?!
> How do you know he wasn't using industrial strength superglue?
>
> You mustn't underestimate freemasons
>
> Steve Terry
>
>
>
no no..I am sure ......If I can ever get the Kempton video to upload to 
youtube you will see .......

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:57:15 GMT, "Jim Stewart ..."
 wrote:

>youtube you will see ....... 

yeh... whats the stooory ?

I thought this new camera of yours was all signin' and dancin' ?

"Paul Starship"  wrote in message 
news:4ac283b5.11326578@news.albasani.net...
> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:57:15 GMT, "Jim Stewart ..."
>  wrote:
>
>>youtube you will see .......
>
> yeh... whats the stooory ?
>
> I thought this new camera of yours was all signin' and dancin' ?
>

well it used to upload to youtube but that is DIGITAL for you .........

"Jim Stewart ..."  wrote in message 
news:HKvwm.99858$OO7.10433@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> "Paul Starship"  wrote in message 
> news:4ac283b5.11326578@news.albasani.net...
>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:57:15 GMT, "Jim Stewart ..."
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>youtube you will see .......
>>
>> yeh... whats the stooory ?
>>
>> I thought this new camera of yours was all signin' and dancin' ?
>>
>
> well it used to upload to youtube but that is DIGITAL for you .........
>

wait a minute...think I have got it working .......

> wait a minute...think I have got it working .......
>
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kCglIFksII&feature=channel_page

Following up to Brian Reay 

> What is this "we had given up"? 

I explained in the previous post.

>May be you had

nope.

> but we should we all be told 
> what we can enjoy because some can't resist the "junk food" industry?

its about healthy eating and educating out tastes
 
> Perhaps some people can decide that, every now than then, they'd like a 
> BigMac or Fish and Chips.

who said they shouldn't (now and again)? 
 
> No one forces people to eat "junk food" 

nobody said they did.

>nor is it cheap- that is a myth put 
> out to excuse those who can't be bothered to buy the ingredients and cook 
> "from scratch".

Who said it was?
-- 
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Spanish food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/espania.htm"
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"Fatwigwearer"  wrote in message 
news:4ac279fd@x-privat.org...
>
> You are one of the Brian fans and you are drunk out of youre skull all
> of the times on the groups which explains your attitude and rudeness to
> people....... like Brian is

I've just reached the conclusion, you're an illiterate w*nker...

And why the f*ck is this x-posted to uk.food+drink.misc?

HTH
tox

"Jim Stewart ..."  wrote in message 
news:r_vwm.99866$OO7.80997@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
>> wait a minute...think I have got it working .......
>>
>>
>
> http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kCglIFksII&feature=channel_page

Quite frankly, I don't think you're in any danger of winning the 
cinematography Oscar, this year, Jim.

Of course, YMMV.

tox

Jim Stewart ... wrote:
>> wait a minute...think I have got it working .......
>>
>>
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kCglIFksII&feature=channel_page 
> 
> 
Is that a shot of his shoes at the end....

EM87

"The Brains of the Outfit..." <Trabant Owners Club@nicksplace.co.com> wrote 
in message news:3Jwwm.99891$OO7.55319@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> "Fatwigwearer"  wrote in message 
> news:4ac279fd@x-privat.org...
>>
>> You are one of the Brian fans and you are drunk out of youre skull all
>> of the times on the groups which explains your attitude and rudeness to
>> people....... like Brian is
>
> I've just reached the conclusion, you're an illiterate w*nker...
>
> And why the f*ck is this x-posted to uk.food+drink.misc?
>
> HTH
> tox
>
probably because brian was asking about soup down there ......

"EM87"  wrote in message 
news:h9vers$d64$1@news.albasani.net...
> Jim Stewart ... wrote:
>>> wait a minute...think I have got it working .......
>>>
>>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kCglIFksII&feature=channel_page
> Is that a shot of his shoes at the end....
>
> EM87

yes ....

"The Brains of the Outfit..." <Trabant Owners Club@nicksplace.co.com> wrote 
in message news:WSwwm.99893$OO7.40246@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> "Jim Stewart ..."  wrote in message 
> news:r_vwm.99866$OO7.80997@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>
>>> wait a minute...think I have got it working .......
>>>
>>>
>>
>> http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kCglIFksII&feature=channel_page
>
> Quite frankly, I don't think you're in any danger of winning the 
> cinematography Oscar, this year, Jim.
>
> Of course, YMMV.
>
> tox
>
>

well I was trying to avoid capture........

In message , Fatwigwearer  writes
>
>
>June Hughes wrote:
>
>> In message , Fatwigwearer 
>> writes
>>>June Hughes wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <UAqwm.222249$LX3.170064@newsfe17.ams2>, Brian Reay
>>>> <see@website.invalid> writes
>>>>>
>>>>>"Jack"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:31d4c55esio8glanh57t32giivhnfs6lou@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brian Reay wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask
>>>>>>>>> questions on
>>>>>>>>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what
>>>>>>>>> comes back in
>>>>>>>>> the answers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
>>>>>>>Stick with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why, what's wrong with Paul?
>>>>>
>>>>>If you have to ask that, you've not come across him. Try to keep it
>>>>>that way.
>>>>>
>>>>>Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Paul who?
>>>
>>>Paul Starship, EI
>>>
>>>Brian Reay has been hounding this poor unfotunate disabled chap with
>>>accusations of aspergers and cheating in exam and other bullying
>>>tactics for years and years.
>>>
>>>He was also responsable for the arrest of another poster who disagred
>>>with him, bt using his freemason friends in the police. Unfortunatly
>>>the policeman involved with the arrest committed suicide afterwards.
>>>The wiltshire gazete gave an account but I do not have the link to
>>>hand. Someone else might have it.
>>>
>>>Brian Reay is abig head type of chap who is never wrong in his own
>>>mind
>>>
>>>He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
>>>
>>>If you have any sense at all, do not give him any bandwidth on ukfdm.
>>>If yuo do you will regret it
>>>
>>>
>> My father was a keen amateur radio enthusiast and got a 'Worked all
>> Britain' award before he died in 1992.  I always regretted that he
>> died before the internet became what it is today but am now beginning
>> to
>> wonder whether or not her was better off not knowing about it.  People
>> can be very unkind but it is easy to kill-file a poster if you don't
>> like him/her.
>
>Hello June
>
>Im sorry about your father but you are right about the intrenet.
>
>My dad spent his whole life in pritning and he did hate the internet
>
>I could not undrstand why it upset him so much but i think I do.
>
>Please accept my appologies for coming into your group but I am fear of
>that  Brian Reay will try to take you over and make insulting remarks .
>like he has made to a lot of other chaps in thepast.
>
>
Thank you.  That is most unlikely, as I just tend to kill-file posters I 
don't want to read.  I shall come to a conclusion about what to do if 
and when that happens.
-- 
June Hughes

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:51:49 +0100, Fatwigwearer 
wrote:

>accusations of ....

Do you understand now Brian ?

You are the one who brought up aspergers and now look...
You are the one who is remembered.

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:37:26 GMT, "The Brains of the Outfit..."
<Trabant Owners Club@nicksplace.co.com> wrote:

>> http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kCglIFksII&feature=channel_page
>Quite frankly, I don't think you're in any danger of winning the 
>cinematography Oscar, this year, Jim.

I think that theres another thing he should consider.

Brian Reay wrote:
> "Jack"  wrote in message 
> news:31d4c55esio8glanh57t32giivhnfs6lou@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Reay wrote:
>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>  >
>>>>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask questions 
>>>>> on
>>>>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what comes back 
>>>>> in
>>>>> the answers.
>>>>>
>>>> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
>>>>
>>>> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.
>>> Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
>>> Stick with it.
>> Why, what's wrong with Paul?
> 
> If you have to ask that, you've not come across him. Try to keep it that 
> way.

ROTFL

Dave

Fatwigwearer wrote:
> June Hughes wrote:
> 
>> In message <UAqwm.222249$LX3.170064@newsfe17.ams2>, Brian Reay
>> <see@website.invalid> writes
>>> "Jack"  wrote in message
>>> news:31d4c55esio8glanh57t32giivhnfs6lou@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Brian Reay wrote:
>>>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask
>>>>>>> questions on
>>>>>>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what comes
>>>>>>> back in
>>>>>>> the answers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.
>>>>> Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
>>>>> Stick with it.
>>>> Why, what's wrong with Paul?
>>> If you have to ask that, you've not come across him. Try to keep it
>>> that way.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>> Paul who?
> 
> Paul Starship, EI
> 
> Brian Reay has been hounding this poor unfotunate disabled chap with
> accusations of aspergers and cheating in exam and other bullying
> tactics for years and years.

I don't think so.

> He was also responsable for the arrest of another poster who disagred
> with him, bt using his freemason friends in the police. Unfortunatly
> the policeman involved with the arrest committed suicide afterwards.
> The wiltshire gazete gave an account but I do not have the link to
> hand. Someone else might have it.
> 
> Brian Reay is abig head type of chap who is never wrong in his own mind
> 
> He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
> 
> If you have any sense at all, do not give him any bandwidth on ukfdm. If
> yuo do you will regret it  

Just why did you see fit to cross post this? It has nothing to do with 
food, or drink, or misc.

Dave

June Hughes wrote:
> In message , Fatwigwearer  writes
>> June Hughes wrote:
>>
>>> In message <UAqwm.222249$LX3.170064@newsfe17.ams2>, Brian Reay
>>> <see@website.invalid> writes
>>>>
>>>> "Jack"  wrote in message
>>>> news:31d4c55esio8glanh57t32giivhnfs6lou@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian Reay wrote:
>>>>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask
>>>>>>>> questions on
>>>>>>>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what comes
>>>>>>>> back in
>>>>>>>> the answers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
>>>>>> Stick with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why, what's wrong with Paul?
>>>>
>>>> If you have to ask that, you've not come across him. Try to keep it
>>>> that way.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Paul who?
>>
>> Paul Starship, EI
>>
>> Brian Reay has been hounding this poor unfotunate disabled chap with
>> accusations of aspergers and cheating in exam and other bullying
>> tactics for years and years.
>>
>> He was also responsable for the arrest of another poster who disagred
>> with him, bt using his freemason friends in the police. Unfortunatly
>> the policeman involved with the arrest committed suicide afterwards.
>> The wiltshire gazete gave an account but I do not have the link to
>> hand. Someone else might have it.
>>
>> Brian Reay is abig head type of chap who is never wrong in his own mind
>>
>> He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
>>
>> If you have any sense at all, do not give him any bandwidth on ukfdm. If
>> yuo do you will regret it
>>
>>
> My father was a keen amateur radio enthusiast and got a 'Worked all 
> Britain' award before he died in 1992.  I always regretted that he died 
> before the internet became what it is today but am now beginning to 
> wonder whether or not her was better off not knowing about it.  People 
> can be very unkind but it is easy to kill-file a poster if you don't 
> like him/her.

The news group uk radio amateur is a very cat fight culture. Don't let 
any comments disturb you.

Brian is a board member of the Radio Society of Great Britain and as 
such is a respected member of the radio community. Though much despised, 
because he is a Free Mason. I know a local Freemason who epitomises a 
gentleman. I am sure Brian is the same.

Like your father, I am a radio amateur, as is Brian and I have been one 
since 1980. From Brian's call sign, he was licensed earlier than me.
We are generally very civilised people and polite to others, despite 
what cross posters might say.


Dave

Dave wrote:

> Fatwigwearer wrote:
>> June Hughes wrote:
>> 
>>> In message <UAqwm.222249$LX3.170064@newsfe17.ams2>, Brian Reay
>>> <see@website.invalid> writes
>>>> "Jack"  wrote in message
>>>> news:31d4c55esio8glanh57t32giivhnfs6lou@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian Reay wrote:
>>>>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask
>>>>>>>> questions on
>>>>>>>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what
>>>>>>>> comes back in
>>>>>>>> the answers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.
>>>>>> Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
>>>>>> Stick with it.
>>>>> Why, what's wrong with Paul?
>>>> If you have to ask that, you've not come across him. Try to keep it
>>>> that way.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Paul who?
>> 
>> Paul Starship, EI
>> 
>> Brian Reay has been hounding this poor unfotunate disabled chap with
>> accusations of aspergers and cheating in exam and other bullying
>> tactics for years and years.
> 
> I don't think so.
> 
>> He was also responsable for the arrest of another poster who disagred
>> with him, bt using his freemason friends in the police. Unfortunatly
>> the policeman involved with the arrest committed suicide afterwards.
>> The wiltshire gazete gave an account but I do not have the link to
>> hand. Someone else might have it.
>> 
>> Brian Reay is abig head type of chap who is never wrong in his own
>> mind
>> 
>> He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
>> 
>> If you have any sense at all, do not give him any bandwidth on ukfdm.
>> If yuo do you will regret it
> 
> Just why did you see fit to cross post this? It has nothing to do with
> food, or drink, or misc.
> 
> Dave

You are a big twit i posted this Brian is a big bully and you   are his
friend
 I Have Lurked  around the aere for long noun to   know that you are a
dimwit and are a twit who woudld  ask to learn about how to boil a
kettle!!!!!

Poeple like you are like sheep for the Big £"crocodile who is Brian
Reay'

"Fatwigwearer"  wrote in message 
news:4ac4e645@x-privat.org...
> Dave wrote:
>> Fatwigwearer wrote:
>>> June Hughes wrote:
>>>> In message <UAqwm.222249$LX3.170064@newsfe17.ams2>, Brian Reay
>>>> <see@website.invalid> writes
>>>>> "Jack"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:31d4c55esio8glanh57t32giivhnfs6lou@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> Brian Reay wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
<snip>
> You are a big twit i posted this Brian is a big bully and you   are his
> friend
> I Have Lurked  around the aere for long noun to   know that you are a
> dimwit and are a twit who woudld  ask to learn about how to boil a
> kettle!!!!!
>
> Poeple like you are like sheep for the Big £"crocodile who is Brian
> Reay'
>
>
Nope, babblefish Idiot to English translator can't translate that

Steve Terry

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:14:38 +0100, Dave 
wrote:


>Just why did you see fit to cross post this? It has nothing to do with 
>food, or drink, or misc.

Neither does most of the rubbish posted by the Mike Ried troll.

Fatwigwearer wrote:

> 
> You are a big twit i posted this Brian is a big bully and you   are his
> friend
>  I Have Lurked  around the aere for long noun to   know that you are a
> dimwit and are a twit who woudld  ask to learn about how to boil a
> kettle!!!!!
> 

If it were true that you have lurked around uk.radio.amateur, then you 
would know that Brian is actually a very active radio amateur who does a 
lot of work to promote and improve the hobby.

You would also know that Paul is troublesome poster who is always having 
a ago at someone. Brian seems to be the centre of Paul's anger.

Some how I think it is far more likely that you are one of the other 
troubled posters who Brian has exposed and you are hiding behind a false 
name trying to look illiterate.

Vince.

On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:20:42 +0100, Vince wrote:

> Fatwigwearer wrote:
> 
>> 
>> You are a big twit i posted this Brian is a big bully and you   are his
>> friend
>>  I Have Lurked  around the aere for long noun to   know that you are a
>> dimwit and are a twit who woudld  ask to learn about how to boil a
>> kettle!!!!!
>> 
> 
> If it were true that you have lurked around uk.radio.amateur, then you 
> would know that Brian is actually a very active radio amateur who does a 
> lot of work to promote and improve the hobby.
> 
> You would also know that Paul is troublesome poster who is always having 
> a ago at someone. Brian seems to be the centre of Paul's anger.
> 
> Some how I think it is far more likely that you are one of the other 
> troubled posters who Brian has exposed and you are hiding behind a false 
> name trying to look illiterate.
> 
> Vince.

stop xposting to my group. i didnt give you permission to post here.

-- 
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Spanish food "http://www.fell-wanker.co.uk/espania.htm"
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Fatwigwearer wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> 
>> Fatwigwearer wrote:
>>> June Hughes wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <UAqwm.222249$LX3.170064@newsfe17.ams2>, Brian Reay
>>>> <see@website.invalid> writes
>>>>> "Jack"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:31d4c55esio8glanh57t32giivhnfs6lou@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0100, Dave
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian Reay wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Dave"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:DPadnecPdY90zCPXnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>> I want to learn and as you will have noticed, I tend to ask
>>>>>>>>> questions on
>>>>>>>>> here that I should know already, but it is surprising what
>>>>>>>>> comes back in
>>>>>>>>> the answers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you noticed a similarity with "the other place"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems the SN ratio is about the same as well.
>>>>>>> Oh, I find it far better on here. No Paul for a starter  :-)
>>>>>>> Stick with it.
>>>>>> Why, what's wrong with Paul?
>>>>> If you have to ask that, you've not come across him. Try to keep it
>>>>> that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Paul who?
>>> Paul Starship, EI
>>>
>>> Brian Reay has been hounding this poor unfotunate disabled chap with
>>> accusations of aspergers and cheating in exam and other bullying
>>> tactics for years and years.
>> I don't think so.
>>
>>> He was also responsable for the arrest of another poster who disagred
>>> with him, bt using his freemason friends in the police. Unfortunatly
>>> the policeman involved with the arrest committed suicide afterwards.
>>> The wiltshire gazete gave an account but I do not have the link to
>>> hand. Someone else might have it.
>>>
>>> Brian Reay is abig head type of chap who is never wrong in his own
>>> mind
>>>
>>> He is disliked my most of the posters on UKRA.
>>>
>>> If you have any sense at all, do not give him any bandwidth on ukfdm.
>>> If yuo do you will regret it
>> Just why did you see fit to cross post this? It has nothing to do with
>> food, or drink, or misc.
>>
>> Dave
> 
> You are a big twit i posted this Brian is a big bully and you   are his
> friend
>  I Have Lurked  around the aere for long noun to   know that you are a
> dimwit and are a twit who woudld  ask to learn about how to boil a
> kettle!!!!!
> 
> Poeple like you are like sheep for the Big £"crocodile who is Brian
> Reay'

If you could post using the English language, I could post a reply to 
you. For the moment, I haven't got a clue as to what you mean.

Dave

Steve Terry wrote:
> "Fatwigwearer"  wrote in message 
> news:4ac4e645@x-privat.org...
> 
>>Dave wrote:
>>
> 
> Nope, babblefish Idiot to English translator can't translate that
> 
> Steve Terry

Funny how the "Fatwigwearer" types (those who choose peculiar nom de nets)
Seem to be routinely trying to be confrontational.

I once filtered a person based solely on their nom de net, with out even 
reading any of their posts.

Later as their posts were quoted by other people i was proved correct in 
my original assessment of the personality behind the name 
"projectilevomitchick@...."  i think she has stuck her foul mouthed, 
nihilistic,  Malthusian attitude in here on occasion:)

I mean i don't mind discussing the meaninglessness of the universe but i 
object to using null content verbiage in a philosophical & metaphysical 
conversation.  Its difficult enough with words that have a conceptual 
subtlety, and even meaning, and are not a mere pornographic tautology:)

-- 

Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
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Steve wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:14:38 +0100, Dave 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>Just why did you see fit to cross post this? It has nothing to do with 
>>food, or drink, or misc.
> 
> 
> Neither does most of the rubbish posted by the Mike Ried troll.
> 

But asking the question "why?" presupposes a subtlety of thought 
blatantly missing from the actions indicated. Any why should be as 
blatantly obvious as any post in question.

Some behaviorists argue that everything we do is an effort to get 
attention.  Some people take the 'lease and thank you ' route (or root:) 
while others take a more confrontational approach.

And this is not limited to the net, it shows itself in every strata of 
human culture.

The world is full of bully's and misanthropes. Who for whatever reason 
hate themselves so much they just got to share their agony with every 
one else and often as not with the added assumption that everybody else 
is directly or indirectly responsible for their own attitude.

False early training i call it, poor socialization.  And as i have 
noted, it happens in all classes and cultures, rich and poor, urban and 
rural.

In real life it is more easily insulated against than it seems to be 
here in the net.

In 'real life' if a person changes their name i can still see them 
coming and get out of the way.  In real life i have yet to have some one 
get so upset with me that they change their very appearance just to hurt 
me so i can only assume the net is distilling a lot of ordinary human 
actions into a more intense form, as equally disturbing as the real 
thing but with with less consequence to the perpetrators.

They can even find like minded individuals and gang up on a group.

-- 

Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
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Following up to Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. 

> But asking the question "why?" presupposes a subtlety of thought 
> blatantly missing from the actions indicated. Any why should be as 
> blatantly obvious as any post in question.
> 
> Some behaviorists argue that everything we do is an effort to get 
> attention.  Some people take the 'lease and thank you ' route (or root:) 
> while others take a more confrontational approach.

wouldn't it be easier to just ignore obvious trolls?
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Mike.. . . wrote:
> Following up to Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. 
> 
> 
>>But asking the question "why?" presupposes a subtlety of thought 
>>blatantly missing from the actions indicated. Any why should be as 
>>blatantly obvious as any post in question.
>>
>>Some behaviorists argue that everything we do is an effort to get 
>>attention.  Some people take the 'lease and thank you ' route (or root:) 
>>while others take a more confrontational approach.
> 
> 
> wouldn't it be easier to just ignore obvious trolls?

*Shrug* im easily amused:)



-- 

Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
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I am the step-dad of Simon.

Today I saw that there had been some activity on my computer directed at
the Food forum and also the Radio-amateur one. I have challenged Simon
over this and he promises me that it will not happen again. I will try
to ensure that this outburst of his emotions is controlled in a better
way in the future.

But there are a few issues.

Simon has learning difficulties, which I am not prepared to be drawn on
to discuss in public. I will leave the speculation to the
armchair "experts" like Mr "Littleshoes", "Vince" and Mr Reay (who
seems to have faded away).

He is eleven years old. He has a great interest in amateur radio,
particularly Morse-code where he seems to excel. He is also passionate
about food and cooking and he has put both me and his Mum right on
occasions. We encouraged him to use the computer to further these
interests but it looks like he has read too much into some of the
articles, or has he?.

He has steadfastly refused to follow our suggestion that he could get a
permit to transmit to other people if he did the study necessary for a
long time. Today, I found why.

He is scared of Mr Reay and hates him, as is obvious. He says that Mr
Reay is in control of him taking the tests and being allowed into the
hobby to get a permit. Is this true?  On the other side, he
respects "Paul Starship", who he says stands up to Mr Reay, whilst
being disabled himself. I'm sure there is more to this than he has told
us so far.

I don't know about the politics of amateur radio and I have to take most
of what he tells me at face value, but a look at the google he put on
to make fun of Mr Reay's link about bacteria and rice has lead me to
the conclusion from the first few pages that many of Simon's doubts
about this man have some foundation.

I have never known him to be deceitful, evasive yes but when prompted he
has been truthful.

The only person who deserves any credit is June Hughes who had the
decency to talk to Simon without any nastiness.

I'm sorry to all the bystanders on the food forum for what was nothing
to do with them. I sense that the Radio Amateurs, apart from the cruel
comments, do not like this Brian Reay any more than Simon does.  

In any case Simon will now bow out, as will this internet account. 

Thank you for your time.

Martin Wilson, o.b.o Simon, a.k.a "Fatwigwearer"

"Fatwigwearer"  wrote in message 
news:4ac64de0@x-privat.org...
>I am the step-dad of Simon.
>

Gordon Bennett, this is your  worst sock puppet yet!

Brian Reay wrote:

> 
> 
> "Fatwigwearer"  wrote in message
> news:4ac64de0@x-privat.org...
>>I am the step-dad of Simon.
>>
> 
> Gordon Bennett, this is your  worst sock puppet yet!

Dear Mr Reay

I left this account live for the time being with a view to being able to
answer any questions left by people with genuine comments.

If this is the best you can do I suggest that instead of making this 
reply you look hard at what faces you in the mirror.
Regarding  "sock-puppets", Simon has told me he suspects you have many.
I now see how and why he has so many hang ups about this. Apparently,
you are a director of the Radio Society of Great Britain, goodness
knows how, but Simon is lukewarm to cold to the suggestion that he
joins-up. 

I do not want to get involved in your petty wrangling and power
arguements but we would like to see him engaged in an interest that
captures his imagination and interest. I am going to find out more as
soon as I can but we are adamant that he will not need your say-so as
to whether or not he can be a radio amateur.

If I were you I would now go and hide under the stone you seemed to have
slid out from under and in future desist from making derisory comments
about other people, especially behind their backs.

Martin Wilson

On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:00:30 +0100, Fatwigwearer wrote:

> I am the step-dad of Simon.
> 
> Today I saw that there had been some activity on my computer directed at
> the Food forum and also the Radio-amateur one. I have challenged Simon
> over this and he promises me that it will not happen again. I will try
> to ensure that this outburst of his emotions is controlled in a better
> way in the future.
> 
> But there are a few issues.
> 
> Simon has learning difficulties, which I am not prepared to be drawn on
> to discuss in public. I will leave the speculation to the
> armchair "experts" like Mr "Littleshoes", "Vince" and Mr Reay (who
> seems to have faded away).
> 
> He is eleven years old. He has a great interest in amateur radio,
> particularly Morse-code where he seems to excel. He is also passionate
> about food and cooking and he has put both me and his Mum right on
> occasions. We encouraged him to use the computer to further these
> interests but it looks like he has read too much into some of the
> articles, or has he?.
> 
> He has steadfastly refused to follow our suggestion that he could get a
> permit to transmit to other people if he did the study necessary for a
> long time. Today, I found why.
> 
> He is scared of Mr Reay and hates him, as is obvious. He says that Mr
> Reay is in control of him taking the tests and being allowed into the
> hobby to get a permit. Is this true?  On the other side, he
> respects "Paul Starship", who he says stands up to Mr Reay, whilst
> being disabled himself. I'm sure there is more to this than he has told
> us so far.
> 
> I don't know about the politics of amateur radio and I have to take most
> of what he tells me at face value, but a look at the google he put on
> to make fun of Mr Reay's link about bacteria and rice has lead me to
> the conclusion from the first few pages that many of Simon's doubts
> about this man have some foundation.
> 
> I have never known him to be deceitful, evasive yes but when prompted he
> has been truthful.
> 
> The only person who deserves any credit is June Hughes who had the
> decency to talk to Simon without any nastiness.
> 
> I'm sorry to all the bystanders on the food forum for what was nothing
> to do with them. I sense that the Radio Amateurs, apart from the cruel
> comments, do not like this Brian Reay any more than Simon does.  
> 
> In any case Simon will now bow out, as will this internet account. 
> 
> Thank you for your time.
> 
> Martin Wilson, o.b.o Simon, a.k.a "Fatwigwearer" 
> 
>       
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

i didnt give you permission to post to MY newsgroup. goodbye!

-- 
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Spanish food "http://www.fell-wanker.co.uk/espania.htm"
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:09:25 +0100, Fatwigwearer wrote:

> Brian Reay wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Fatwigwearer"  wrote in message
>> news:4ac64de0@x-privat.org...
>>>I am the step-dad of Simon.
>>>
>> 
>> Gordon Bennett, this is your  worst sock puppet yet!
> 
> Dear Mr Reay
> 
> I left this account live for the time being with a view to being able to
> answer any questions left by people with genuine comments.
> 
> If this is the best you can do I suggest that instead of making this 
> reply you look hard at what faces you in the mirror.
> Regarding  "sock-puppets", Simon has told me he suspects you have many.
> I now see how and why he has so many hang ups about this. Apparently,
> you are a director of the Radio Society of Great Britain, goodness
> knows how, but Simon is lukewarm to cold to the suggestion that he
> joins-up. 
> 
> I do not want to get involved in your petty wrangling and power
> arguements but we would like to see him engaged in an interest that
> captures his imagination and interest. I am going to find out more as
> soon as I can but we are adamant that he will not need your say-so as
> to whether or not he can be a radio amateur.
> 
> If I were you I would now go and hide under the stone you seemed to have
> slid out from under and in future desist from making derisory comments
> about other people, especially behind their backs.
> 
> Martin Wilson 
> 
> 
>

this thred must be ignored. do not reply to these people

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On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:23:08 +0100
"Mike.. .  ."  wrote:

> i didnt give you permission to post to MY newsgroup.

I think you'll find that Usenet doesn't work like that.

-- 

Brian Morrison

                "I am not young enough to know everything"
                                                          Oscar Wilde

Brian Reay wrote:


> 
> Your cover story has more holes than a sieve. Who ever suggested your
> (supposed) son "joins" anything?

Well, we did Mr Reay. We hoped it would be good for him. Clearly a bad
idea. My "cover story" as you put it is exactly what I have written
today since we found out about this flare-up, in which you seem to be
the leading character. 
> 
> It is pretty obvious who you are so why not come clean. A blanket
> doesn't stop us knowing who you are.

I've already got the impression that you are something of an overbearing
idiot in the past few hours since I have learnt about you from Simon
and from my own reading of your postings to forums. In fact I have
revised that view to one that leads me to believe that you are a
deluded imbecile.

I have asked Simon about blankets as your comment left me bemused. He
says that you arranged for someone to be arrested and they had to have
a blanket on their head when taken away by the police. It has
apparently become a bit of a sick joke along with "big K" whatever that
refers to (he did tell me but mathematics is not my strongest subject)
for your amusement since then. I can't say I'm surprised given your
actions.

Mr Reay, I hope that we never have the misfortune to have any dealings
with you again and if Simon does decide to progress in this hobby, it
will be despite you.

Now please crawl back under your stone.

Martin

"Fatwigwearer"  wrote in message 
news:4ac66c15@x-privat.org...
 > Dear Mr Reay
>
> I left this account live for the time being with a view to being able to
> answer any questions left by people with genuine comments.
>
> If this is the best you can do I suggest that instead of making this
> reply you look hard at what faces you in the mirror.
> Regarding  "sock-puppets", Simon has told me he suspects you have many.
> I now see how and why he has so many hang ups about this. Apparently,
> you are a director of the Radio Society of Great Britain, goodness
> knows how, but Simon is lukewarm to cold to the suggestion that he
> joins-up.
>

Your cover story has more holes than a sieve. Who ever suggested your 
(supposed) son "joins" anything?

It is pretty obvious who you are so why not come clean. A blanket doesn't 
stop us knowing who you are.

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:46:06 +0100, "Brian Reay" <see@website.invalid>
wrote:

>It is pretty obvious who you are so why not come clean. A blanket doesn't 

There you go again.

Typical...

Fatwigwearer wrote:
> I am the step-dad of Simon.
> 
> Today I saw that there had been some activity on my computer directed at
> the Food forum and also the Radio-amateur one. I have challenged Simon
> over this and he promises me that it will not happen again. I will try
> to ensure that this outburst of his emotions is controlled in a better
> way in the future.
> 
> But there are a few issues.
> 
> Simon has learning difficulties, which I am not prepared to be drawn on
> to discuss in public. I will leave the speculation to the
> armchair "experts" like Mr "Littleshoes", 

*Chuckle* somebody's buttons are easily pushed, and when you whine about 
such obviously, prominently displayed buttons being pushed it tends to 
be rather hypocritical, as your subsequent postings have demonstrated.
--

Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
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On 3 Oct, 00:09, Fatwigwearer  wrote:
> Brian Reay wrote:
>
> > Your cover story has more holes than a sieve. Who ever suggested your
> > (supposed) son "joins" anything?
>
> Well, we did Mr Reay. We hoped it would be good for him. Clearly a bad
> idea. My "cover story" as you put it is exactly what I have written
> today since we found out about this flare-up, in which you seem to be
> the leading character.
>
>
>
> > It is pretty obvious who you are so why not come clean. A blanket
> > doesn't stop us knowing who you are.
>
> I've already got the impression that you are something of an overbearing
> idiot in the past few hours since I have learnt about you from Simon
> and from my own reading of your postings to forums. In fact I have
> revised that view to one that leads me to believe that you are a
> deluded imbecile.
>
> I have asked Simon about blankets as your comment left me bemused. He
> says that you arranged for someone to be arrested and they had to have
> a blanket on their head when taken away by the police. It has
> apparently become a bit of a sick joke along with "big K" whatever that
> refers to (he did tell me but mathematics is not my strongest subject)
> for your amusement since then. I can't say I'm surprised given your
> actions.
>
> Mr Reay, I hope that we never have the misfortune to have any dealings
> with you again and if Simon does decide to progress in this hobby, it
> will be despite you.
>
> Now please crawl back under your stone.
>
> Martin

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