http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece

>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
>  EU bans eating of competition cake
>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
>
>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
>
>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
> their winning entries.
>
>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.


-- 
Real friendship is shown in times of trouble;
prosperity is full of friends.
* Euripedes

In message <g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Ophelia 
<Ophelia@nix.?.uk.invalid> writes
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
>
>>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
>>  EU bans eating of competition cake
>>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
>> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
>>
>>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
>> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
>> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
>>
>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>> their winning entries.
>>
>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
>
>
That is indeed ridiculous, O.
-- 
June Hughes

"Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message 
news:g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
>
>>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
>>  EU bans eating of competition cake
>>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
>> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
>>
>>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
>> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
>> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
>>
>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>> their winning entries.
>>
>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
>
>
I bet the French will ignore it - sensible people!!  Why do Brits always 
"roll over" and follow these silly regulations?
Graham

Ophelia wrote:

>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>> their winning entries.
>>
>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
> 
> 
I went to a Harvest service at the local church a couple of years ago - 
there was sad-looking collection of tinned and boxed goods.  This is an 
agricultural area!  The congregation had been informed that their 
home-produced goods could not be passed on as charitable donations.

The message <g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org>
from "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> contains these words:

> >  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
> > entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
> > their winning entries.
> >
> >  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
> > equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
> > shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.

       Pie in the sky. I shall continue to eat the evidence, they'll
never prove nothink, Officer .

   When all the entries have been laid out on show and the judging
completed, the entire table is covered in a pristine sheet of 
see-through plastic before the public is admitted to the show. So only
the entrants and judges have touched or breathed on the cakes. At the
end of the show, each item still belongs to the person who entered it.
They fish it out from under the plastic and take it home.What they do
with it there is beyond reach of the SWRI, the EU, or Uncle Tom Cobbley.

   At our local produce show last week, John took all  the hand-made
bread prizes and came second and third in Victoria sponge and date and
walnut loaf  classes. The local paper has a pic of him carrying his
baking  back home. 

   Janet.

S Viemeister wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>>> their winning entries.
>>>
>>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following
>>> competitions.
>>
>>
> I went to a Harvest service at the local church a couple of years ago
> - there was sad-looking collection of tinned and boxed goods.  This
> is an agricultural area!  The congregation had been informed that
> their home-produced goods could not be passed on as charitable
> donations.

It makes you wonder how we all survived before all this ludicrous laws:(

-- 
Real friendship is shown in times of trouble;
prosperity is full of friends.
* Euripedes

Janet Baraclough  wrote:

> The message <g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org>
> from "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> contains these words:
> 
> > >  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
> > > entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
> > > their winning entries.
> > >
> > >  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
> > > equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
> > > shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
> 
>        Pie in the sky. I shall continue to eat the evidence, they'll
> never prove nothink, Officer .

You can express mail any leftover pies or cakes my way. I'll be happy to
dispose of them, and ensure that the general public can't consume them!
:)

-- 
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www.davidhorne.net 
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the 
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about. 
Otherwise they should just shut up about it."  -Richard Dawkins

Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message <g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org>
> from "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> contains these words:
>
>>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>>> their winning entries.
>>>
>>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following
>>> competitions.
>
>       Pie in the sky. I shall continue to eat the evidence, they'll
> never prove nothink, Officer .

If you've eaten the evidence, then they *can't* prove it!  LOL

-- 
Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

"Graham"  wrote in message 
news:ekVsk.219868$gc5.207282@pd7urf2no...
>
> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
>>
>>>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
>>>  EU bans eating of competition cake
>>>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
>>> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
>>>
>>>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
>>> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
>>> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
>>>
>>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>>> their winning entries.
>>>
>>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
>>
>>
> I bet the French will ignore it - sensible people!!  Why do Brits always 
> "roll over" and follow these silly regulations?
> Graham
>

It will all be OK when the EU collapses soon :-))

The only trouble is that, sorry, you will have to work for your living.

"Janet Baraclough"  ha >   At our local produce 
show last week, John took all  the hand-made
> bread prizes and came second and third in Victoria sponge and date and
> walnut loaf  classes. The local paper has a pic of him carrying his
> baking  back home.
>
>   Janet.

My sincerest compliments to him!

On Aug 26, 3:18 pm, "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> wrote:
>  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
>
>
>
> >  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
> >  EU bans eating of competition cake
> >  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
> > food poisoning Julia Belgutay
>
> >  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
> > Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
> > become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
>
> >  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
> > entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
> > their winning entries.
>
> >  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
> > equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
> > shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitionsAll I can say is: let them eat cake....

June Hughes wrote:
> In message <g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Ophelia 
> <Ophelia@nix.?.uk.invalid> writes
> 
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
>>
>>>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
>>>  EU bans eating of competition cake
>>>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
>>> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
>>>
>>>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
>>> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
>>> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
>>>
>>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>>> their winning entries.
>>>
>>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
>>
>>
>>
> That is indeed ridiculous, O.

It is another case of the tail wagging the dog. Just when will
politicians learn that they work and take note of what we want them to 
do? And not the other way round.

Dave

Janet Baraclough wrote:

> The message <g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org>
> from "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> contains these words:
> 
> 
>>> New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>>>entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>>>their winning entries.
>>>
>>> The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>>>equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>>>shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
> 
> 
>        Pie in the sky. I shall continue to eat the evidence, they'll
> never prove nothink, Officer .
> 
>    When all the entries have been laid out on show and the judging
> completed, the entire table is covered in a pristine sheet of 
> see-through plastic before the public is admitted to the show. So only
> the entrants and judges have touched or breathed on the cakes. At the
> end of the show, each item still belongs to the person who entered it.
> They fish it out from under the plastic and take it home.What they do
> with it there is beyond reach of the SWRI, the EU, or Uncle Tom Cobbley.

I don't understand this, if it is being given away how does brussels 
sprouts have a say in it? This is no different from baking for a few 
elderly neighbours.

Dave

Ophelia wrote:
> 
>  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
> 
> >  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
> >  EU bans eating of competition cake
> >  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
> > food poisoning Julia Belgutay


Very strange indeed! How does one judge cakes and other edibles without
*tasting* them?

Have observed cake/biscuit/jam etc contests at the local US) State Fair
(due to start in Sept). The panels of judges are *required* to consume a
portion of everything being judged, other than a few decorative bottles
of vinegars/oils. The remaining goods are given back to the contestants,
not the public.

Thinking about entering some baked good(s) for the first time ever but
haven't decided quite what...still have a week or so to think about it
:)

The message 
from "Giusi"  contains these words:

> "Janet Baraclough"  ha >   At our local
> produce 
> show last week, John took all  the hand-made
> > bread prizes and came second and third in Victoria sponge and date and
> > walnut loaf  classes. The local paper has a pic of him carrying his
> > baking  back home.
> >
> >   Janet.

> My sincerest compliments to him! 

  Thankyou. He's a marvellous baker.

   Janet.

CP  wrote:

> On Aug 26, 3:18 pm, "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> wrote:
> >  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
> >
> >
> >
> > >  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
> > >  EU bans eating of competition cake
> > >  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
> > > food poisoning Julia Belgutay
> >
> > >  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
> > > Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
> > > become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
> >
> > >  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
> > > entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
> > > their winning entries.
> >
> > >  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
> > > equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
> > > shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
> 
> All I can say is: let them eat cake....

But no more lesbian jam! :)

-- 
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www.davidhorne.net 
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the 
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about. 
Otherwise they should just shut up about it."  -Richard Dawkins

"Graham"  wrote in message 
news:ekVsk.219868$gc5.207282@pd7urf2no...
>
> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
>>
>>>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
>>>  EU bans eating of competition cake
>>>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
>>> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
>>>
>>>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
>>> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
>>> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
>>>
>>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>>> their winning entries.
>>>
>>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
>>
>>
> I bet the French will ignore it - sensible people!!  Why do Brits always 
> "roll over" and follow these silly regulations?
> Graham
No-one complains more than we Brits about this sort of thing and yet no-one 
complies with these daft regulations with more alacrity. When I am in 
France, I buy fruit and veg in the market in 'livres' and there are no 
Trading Standards officers prowling round to make sure everything is metric. 
This is nuts. Our own ministers are the ones making these rules via the 
Council of Ministers. So it's no good them saying that it is all down to 
Brussels.
Kathleen

On Aug 27, 8:13 am, d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
> CP  wrote:
> > On Aug 26, 3:18 pm, "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> wrote:
> > >  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
>
> > > >  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
> > > >  EU bans eating of competition cake
> > > >  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
> > > > food poisoning Julia Belgutay
>
> > > >  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
> > > > Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
> > > > become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
>
> > > >  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
> > > > entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
> > > > their winning entries.
>
> > > >  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
> > > > equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
> > > > shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
>
> > All I can say is: let them eat cake....
>
> But no more lesbian jam! :)

That's one cultural reference that's totally lost on me, I'm afraid.
(Unless it's a very obscure allusion to "Hairy Antoinette", the lesbo-
porn version of a recent Hollywood film, in which the eponymous
'heroine' utters the immortal words, 'Let them eat c*ck..'). But since
you're a man of obvious culture and good taste, I know you wouldn't
stoop so low ;-)

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:18:09 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
<news:g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org> :

>  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
> 
>>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
>>  EU bans eating of competition cake
>>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
>> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
>>
>>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
>> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
>> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
>>
>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>> their winning entries.
>>
>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.


Do you believe everything you read in the papers?


From: http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/press/frontpage/27082008_en.htm

Despite what you might read elsewhere ("EU bans eating of competition cake"
- Times Online, 24 August 2008) orders to destroy competition cakes have
not been baked-up by Brussels' bureaucrats.

The "new" EU food hygiene legislation has been applied throughout the UK
from 1 January 2006.

The rules apply to "food businesses" ¡V and not those events held by the
Scottish Women's Rural Institutes, or any other local church, school or
village fair, where food is prepared occasionally.

See here  (3.8, p10) for further details.
http://http//ec.europa.eu/food/food/biosafety/hygienelegislation/guidance_doc_852-2004_en.pdf


-- 
Tim C.  
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email address munged.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:37:28 +0100, Kathleen wrote in post :
<news:1KqdnSZ4oYqhkijVnZ2dnUVZ8vCdnZ2d@bt.com> :

>  When I am in France, I buy fruit and veg in the market in 'livres'

How much do you get sold then? In Austria they regularly ask for a Pfund"
but it's 500g.

-- 
Tim C.  
google.groups killfiled to reduce spam
email address munged.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:48:15 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
<news:xJadnS34vLucwynVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com> :

> Janet Baraclough wrote:
> 
>> The message <g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org>
>> from "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> contains these words:
>> 
>>>> New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>>>>entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>>>>their winning entries.
>>>>
>>>> The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>>>>equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>>>>shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
>> 
>>        Pie in the sky. I shall continue to eat the evidence, they'll
>> never prove nothink, Officer .
>> 
>>    When all the entries have been laid out on show and the judging
>> completed, the entire table is covered in a pristine sheet of 
>> see-through plastic before the public is admitted to the show. So only
>> the entrants and judges have touched or breathed on the cakes. At the
>> end of the show, each item still belongs to the person who entered it.
>> They fish it out from under the plastic and take it home.What they do
>> with it there is beyond reach of the SWRI, the EU, or Uncle Tom Cobbley.
> 
> I don't understand this, if it is being given away how does brussels 
> sprouts have a say in it? This is no different from baking for a few 
> elderly neighbours.
> 
> Dave

Quite. It's bollocks. 
see: http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/press/frontpage/27082008_en.htm
-- 
Tim C.  
google.groups killfiled to reduce spam
email address munged.

> "CP"  ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> But since
> you're a man of obvious culture and good taste, I know you wouldn't
> stoop so low ;-)
>
 But you would, right?  I reckoned it was a reference to someone who was 
using Stonewall Riot as a name, which is a great icon of the gay world in 
the US.  I am not sure why, but I know it was so.


-- 
http://www.judithgreenwood.com

"Tim C."  wrote in message 
news:17l1ahj0zbaqi$.1365gmfv2pxxd$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:37:28 +0100, Kathleen wrote in post :
> <news:1KqdnSZ4oYqhkijVnZ2dnUVZ8vCdnZ2d@bt.com> :
>
>>  When I am in France, I buy fruit and veg in the market in 'livres'
>
> How much do you get sold then? In Austria they regularly ask for a Pfund"
> but it's 500g.
>
> -- 
> Tim C.
> google.groups killfiled to reduce spam
> email address munged.

Never actually checked, Tim. But the blackboards advertising fruit or 
whatever have the prices in kilos and 'livres'
Kathleen

"Tim C."  wrote in message 
news:1ibe8o60g47f4.11jzuq2ywz5ja.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:18:09 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
> <news:g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org> :
>
>>  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
>>
>>>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
>>>  EU bans eating of competition cake
>>>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
>>> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
>>>
>>>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
>>> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
>>> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
>>>
>>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>>> their winning entries.
>>>
>>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
>
>
> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>
>
> From: http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/press/frontpage/27082008_en.htm
>
> Despite what you might read elsewhere ("EU bans eating of competition 
> cake"
> - Times Online, 24 August 2008) orders to destroy competition cakes have
> not been baked-up by Brussels' bureaucrats.
>
> The "new" EU food hygiene legislation has been applied throughout the UK
> from 1 January 2006.
>
> The rules apply to "food businesses" ¡V and not those events held by the
> Scottish Women's Rural Institutes, or any other local church, school or
> village fair, where food is prepared occasionally.
>
> See here  (3.8, p10) for further details.
> http://http//ec.europa.eu/food/food/biosafety/hygienelegislation/guidance_doc_852-2004_en.pdf
>
>
> -- 
> Tim C.
> google.groups killfiled to reduce spam
> email address munged.

That's good to know...though the link doesn't work from the EU press site.
Kathleen

Giusi  wrote:

> > "CP"  ha scritto nel messaggio
> >
> > But since
> > you're a man of obvious culture and good taste, I know you wouldn't
> > stoop so low ;-)
> >
>  But you would, right?  I reckoned it was a reference to someone who was
> using Stonewall Riot as a name, which is a great icon of the gay world in
> the US.  I am not sure why, but I know it was so.

CP was right that I was stooping low! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTXh-tpXz7Q

-- 
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate 
www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) 
"The fact is that when I compose I never think of and never 
have thought of meeting the listener."  -George Perle

On Aug 27, 1:28 pm, d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
> Giusi  wrote:
> > > "CP"  ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> > > But since
> > > you're a man of obvious culture and good taste, I know you wouldn't
> > > stoop so low ;-)
>
> >  But you would, right?  I reckoned it was a reference to someone who was
> > using Stonewall Riot as a name, which is a great icon of the gay world in
> > the US.  I am not sure why, but I know it was so.
>
> CP was right that I was stooping low! :)

And why not? Stooping low can occasionally be fun ;-)

Kathleen wrote:
> "Tim C."  wrote in message
> news:1ibe8o60g47f4.11jzuq2ywz5ja.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:18:09 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>> <news:g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org> :
>>
>>>  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
>>>
>>>>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
>>>>  EU bans eating of competition cake
>>>>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
>>>> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
>>>>
>>>>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
>>>> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
>>>> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
>>>>
>>>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
>>>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
>>>> their winning entries.
>>>>
>>>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
>>>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
>>>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following
>>>> competitions.
>>
>>
>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?

No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?




>>
>>
>> From:
>> http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/press/frontpage/27082008_en.htm Despite 
>> what you might read elsewhere ("EU bans eating of competition
>> cake"
>> - Times Online, 24 August 2008) orders to destroy competition cakes
>> have not been baked-up by Brussels' bureaucrats.
>>
>> The "new" EU food hygiene legislation has been applied throughout
>> the UK from 1 January 2006.
>>
>> The rules apply to "food businesses" ¡V and not those events held by
>> the Scottish Women's Rural Institutes, or any other local church,
>> school or village fair, where food is prepared occasionally.
>>
>> See here  (3.8, p10) for further details.
>> http://http//ec.europa.eu/food/food/biosafety/hygienelegislation/guidance_doc_852-2004_en.pdf
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tim C.
>> google.groups killfiled to reduce spam
>> email address munged.
>
> That's good to know...though the link doesn't work from the EU press
> site. Kathleen

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:57:41 +0200, Tim C. wrote in post :
<news:1ibe8o60g47f4.11jzuq2ywz5ja.dlg@40tude.net> :

> See here  (3.8, p10) for further details.
> http://http//ec.europa.eu/food/food/biosafety/hygienelegislation/guidance_doc_852-2004_en.pdf

sorry got that link tangled up. Try this one:
http://ec.europa.eu/food/food/biosafety/hygienelegislation/guidance_doc_852-2004_en.pdf

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
<news:6hl03kFlieq3U1@mid.individual.net> :

>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
> 
> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?

Why did you post it then?
Do you always have to be so touchy? 

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In message <qjb3ltimlai5$.mdi19picd548.dlg@40tude.net>, Tim C. 
 writes
>On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
><news:6hl03kFlieq3U1@mid.individual.net> :
>
>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>
>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>
>Why did you post it then?
>Do you always have to be so touchy?
>
I haven't noticed O being touch very often.  If someone makes a bitchy 
remark, I believe she is entitled to reply as she did.
-- 
June Hughes

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:13:52 +0100, June Hughes wrote in post :
<news:lLiiEAHgEWtIFwXs@theacct.demon.co.uk> :

> In message <qjb3ltimlai5$.mdi19picd548.dlg@40tude.net>, Tim C. 
>  writes
>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>><news:6hl03kFlieq3U1@mid.individual.net> :
>>
>>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>>
>>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>>
>>Why did you post it then?
>>Do you always have to be so touchy?
>>
> I haven't noticed O being touch very often.  If someone makes a bitchy 
> remark, I believe she is entitled to reply as she did.

Anyone who thinks "Do you believe everything you read in the papers?" after
posting the rubbish she did is rude needs to get out more.

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:26:54 +0100, Kathleen wrote in post :
<news:mJSdnU76h7QA2ijVnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@bt.com> :

> "Tim C."  wrote in message 
> news:17l1ahj0zbaqi$.1365gmfv2pxxd$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:37:28 +0100, Kathleen wrote in post :
>> <news:1KqdnSZ4oYqhkijVnZ2dnUVZ8vCdnZ2d@bt.com> :
>>
>>>  When I am in France, I buy fruit and veg in the market in 'livres'
>>
>> How much do you get sold then? In Austria they regularly ask for a Pfund"
>> but it's 500g.
>>
>> -- 
>> Tim C.
>> google.groups killfiled to reduce spam
>> email address munged.
> 
> Never actually checked, Tim. But the blackboards advertising fruit or 
> whatever have the prices in kilos and 'livres'
> Kathleen

I wouldn't be surprised to find that they measure out 500g like here. I
guess the original measure would have been metricated(?) at some stage.  
It's easier than saying "500 grammes... " or "a half a kilo.."  anyway.  


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Op Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:37:28 +0100 frommelde Kathleen :

> in 'livres'

A "livre" is 500 grammes, and unofficialy a pound. And to make a totally
unrelkated, but Quite Interesting point: The Briots use a graphically
enhanced letter (L with two bars through it) for a pound: that L comes from
"livre".

Just so you'd know.

-- 
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Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art.

Op Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100 frommelde Ophelia :

>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
> 
> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?

I didn't find that very rude.... What surprises me is the ease with which
everyone accepts these slurs on European bureaucracy as gospel thruth
without bothering to look up if such blatant nonsense is true or not.

The cause against a united Europe isn't well served with this sort of
gossipmongering: let's fight Europe on arguments, not on tittle-tattle.

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:06:54 +0200, Waldo Centini wrote in post :
<news:1q58qqa148c48$.qj7g5c5zos1x$.dlg@40tude.net> :

> Op Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100 frommelde Ophelia :
> 
>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>> 
>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
> 
> I didn't find that very rude.... What surprises me is the ease with which
> everyone accepts these slurs on European bureaucracy as gospel thruth
> without bothering to look up if such blatant nonsense is true or not.
> 
> The cause against a united Europe isn't well served with this sort of
> gossipmongering: let's fight Europe on arguments, not on tittle-tattle.

Well said.

-- 
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email address munged.

Op Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:01:20 +0200 frommelde Waldo Centini :

> A "livre" is 500 grammes, and unofficialy a pound. And to make a totally
> unrelkated, but Quite Interesting point: The Briots use a graphically
> enhanced letter (L with two bars through it) for a pound: that L comes from
> "livre".
> 
> Just so you'd know.

Please: allow me to retype that.

[...]

A "livre" is 500 grammes, and unofficially a pound. And to make a totally
unrelated, but Quite Interesting point: The Brits use a graphically
enhanced letter (L with two bars through it) for a pound: that L comes from
"livre".

Just so you'd know.

[...]

Thank you. Apols for shoddy typing.

-- 
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Do what keepeth thou from wilting shall be the law of the Hole.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:17:17 +0200, Waldo Centini wrote in post :
<news:u341vobwjhsk$.1hel1u3x12idf.dlg@40tude.net> :

> The Brits use a graphically
> enhanced letter (L with two bars through it) for a pound: that L comes from
> "livre".

And the Italians for the "Lira" symbol.
-- 
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In message <1q58qqa148c48$.qj7g5c5zos1x$.dlg@40tude.net>, Waldo Centini 
<"waldocentini[NOSPAM]"@gmail.com> writes
>Op Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100 frommelde Ophelia :
>
>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>
>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>
>I didn't find that very rude.... What surprises me is the ease with which
>everyone accepts these slurs on European bureaucracy as gospel thruth
>without bothering to look up if such blatant nonsense is true or not.
>
I don't normally pick people up on spelling, as it is rude, but that is 
funny after what you said about drink.  'thruth'!!  <g>  Hope you are 
not offended but it was quite humorous:)

>The cause against a united Europe isn't well served with this sort of
>gossipmongering: let's fight Europe on arguments, not on tittle-tattle.
>
Should read The Guardian.
-- 
June Hughes

June Hughes wrote:

>In message <1q58qqa148c48$.qj7g5c5zos1x$.dlg@40tude.net>, Waldo Centini 
><"waldocentini[NOSPAM]"@gmail.com> writes
>>Op Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100 frommelde Ophelia :
>>
>>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>>
>>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>>
>>I didn't find that very rude.... What surprises me is the ease with which
>>everyone accepts these slurs on European bureaucracy as gospel thruth
>>without bothering to look up if such blatant nonsense is true or not.
>>
>I don't normally pick people up on spelling, as it is rude, but that is 
>funny after what you said about drink.  'thruth'!!  <g>  Hope you are 
>not offended but it was quite humorous:)
>
>>The cause against a united Europe isn't well served with this sort of
>>gossipmongering: let's fight Europe on arguments, not on tittle-tattle.
>>
>Should read The Guardian.

ITYM Grauniad :-)
-- 
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Tim C. wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
> <news:6hl03kFlieq3U1@mid.individual.net> :
>
>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>
>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>
> Why did you post it then?

Just because I don't always believe stuff doesn't mean I can't post it.

I don't need your permission.

> Do you always have to be so touchy?

I wouldn't need to be touchy if you were not so rude.

-- 
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prosperity is full of friends.
* Euripedes

June Hughes wrote:
> In message <qjb3ltimlai5$.mdi19picd548.dlg@40tude.net>, Tim C.
>  writes
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>> <news:6hl03kFlieq3U1@mid.individual.net> :
>>
>>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>>
>>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>>
>> Why did you post it then?
>> Do you always have to be so touchy?
>>
> I haven't noticed O being touch very often.  If someone makes a bitchy
> remark, I believe she is entitled to reply as she did.

Thank you June.

-- 
Real friendship is shown in times of trouble;
prosperity is full of friends.
* Euripedes

Tim C. wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:13:52 +0100, June Hughes wrote in post :
> <news:lLiiEAHgEWtIFwXs@theacct.demon.co.uk> :
>
>> In message <qjb3ltimlai5$.mdi19picd548.dlg@40tude.net>, Tim C.
>>  writes
>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>>> <news:6hl03kFlieq3U1@mid.individual.net> :
>>>
>>>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>>>
>>>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>>>
>>> Why did you post it then?
>>> Do you always have to be so touchy?
>>>
>> I haven't noticed O being touch very often.  If someone makes a
>> bitchy remark, I believe she is entitled to reply as she did.
>
> Anyone who thinks "Do you believe everything you read in the papers?"
> after posting the rubbish she did is rude needs to get out more.

I need neither your permission nor your approval.

My what an high opinion you have of yourself boy!

-- 
Real friendship is shown in times of trouble;
prosperity is full of friends.
* Euripedes

Waldo Centini" <"waldocentini[NOSPAM] wrote:
> Op Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100 frommelde Ophelia :
>
>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>
>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>
> I didn't find that very rude.... What surprises me is the ease with
> which everyone accepts these slurs on European bureaucracy as gospel
> thruth without bothering to look up if such blatant nonsense is true
> or not.
>
> The cause against a united Europe isn't well served with this sort of
> gossipmongering: let's fight Europe on arguments, not on
> tittle-tattle.

Up yours too sugar.

-- 
Real friendship is shown in times of trouble;
prosperity is full of friends.
* Euripedes

Tim C. wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:06:54 +0200, Waldo Centini wrote in post :
> <news:1q58qqa148c48$.qj7g5c5zos1x$.dlg@40tude.net> :
>
>> Op Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100 frommelde Ophelia :
>>
>>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>>
>>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>>
>> I didn't find that very rude.... What surprises me is the ease with
>> which everyone accepts these slurs on European bureaucracy as gospel
>> thruth without bothering to look up if such blatant nonsense is true
>> or not.
>>
>> The cause against a united Europe isn't well served with this sort of
>> gossipmongering: let's fight Europe on arguments, not on
>> tittle-tattle.
>
> Well said.

LOL

-- 
Real friendship is shown in times of trouble;
prosperity is full of friends.
* Euripedes

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:36:10 +0100, "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk>
wrote:

>Tim C. wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>> <news:6hl03kFlieq3U1@mid.individual.net> :
>>
>>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>>
>>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>>
>> Why did you post it then?
>
>Just because I don't always believe stuff doesn't mean I can't post it.
>
>I don't need your permission.

One of your friends told me to "get lost" from the group. It seems I
need permission to post :(

Op Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:26:00 +0200 frommelde Tim C. :

>> The Brits use a graphically
>> enhanced letter (L with two bars through it) for a pound: that L comes from
>> "livre".
> 
> And the Italians for the "Lira" symbol.

But Lira is, then again, Iteye or Latin for Livre.

-- 
*** Waldo ***
Pass the particles.

Op Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:38:35 +0100 frommelde Ophelia :

>>> The cause against a united Europe isn't well served with this sort of
>>> gossipmongering: let's fight Europe on arguments, not on
>>> tittle-tattle.
>>
>> Well said.
> 
> LOL

What? It *wás* well said!

-- 
*** Waldo ***
Occam was never the target of a conspiracy.

Op Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:55:12 +0100 frommelde June Hughes :

>>The cause against a united Europe isn't well served with this sort of
>>gossipmongering: let's fight Europe on arguments, not on tittle-tattle.
>>
> Should read The Guardian.

I'm trying for www.grauniad.co.uk, but the link odesn't seem to work.
 

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Above all, don't wobble.

Op Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:38:22 +0100 frommelde Ophelia :

> Up yours too sugar.

I think you need a thorough thwapping, my lass!

-- 
*** Waldo ***
As goatherd learns his trade by goat, so writer learns his trade 
by wrote.

Waldo Centini" <"waldocentini[NOSPAM] wrote:
> Op Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:38:22 +0100 frommelde Ophelia :
>
>> Up yours too sugar.
>
> I think you need a thorough thwapping, my lass!

Heh. No chance buddy <g>

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In article ,
   'Mike' <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote:


> "Graham"  wrote in message 
> news:ekVsk.219868$gc5.207282@pd7urf2no...
> >
> > "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message 
> > news:g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
> >>
> >>>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
> >>>  EU bans eating of competition cake
> >>>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
> >>> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
> >>>
> >>>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
> >>> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
> >>> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
> >>>
> >>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
> >>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
> >>> their winning entries.
> >>>
> >>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
> >>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
> >>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
> >>
> >>
> > I bet the French will ignore it - sensible people!!  Why do Brits always 
> > "roll over" and follow these silly regulations?
> > Graham
> >

> It will all be OK when the EU collapses soon :-))

I wish - at least I think so. The trouble is is the EU going to collapse in
the way the USSR did ie leave a few Spectacularly Rich People and the rest
particularly poor?

Jane

> The only trouble is that, sorry, you will have to work for your living.

-- 

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In article <g91bc4$qgh$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
   "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix wrote:
> S Viemeister wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
> >>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
> >>> their winning entries.
> >>>
> >>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
> >>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
> >>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following
> >>> competitions.
> >>
> >>
> > I went to a Harvest service at the local church a couple of years ago
> > - there was sad-looking collection of tinned and boxed goods.  This
> > is an agricultural area!  The congregation had been informed that
> > their home-produced goods could not be passed on as charitable
> > donations.

> It makes you wonder how we all survived before all this ludicrous laws:(

We didn't have a "sue culture".

Cheers
Jane

-- 

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In article ,
   Dave  wrote:
> Janet Baraclough wrote:

> > The message <g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org>
> > from "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> contains these words:
> > 
> > 
> >>> New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
> >>>entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
> >>>their winning entries.
> >>>
> >>> The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
> >>>equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
> >>>shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
> > 
> > 
> >        Pie in the sky. I shall continue to eat the evidence, they'll
> > never prove nothink, Officer .
> > 
> >    When all the entries have been laid out on show and the judging
> > completed, the entire table is covered in a pristine sheet of 
> > see-through plastic before the public is admitted to the show. So only
> > the entrants and judges have touched or breathed on the cakes. At the
> > end of the show, each item still belongs to the person who entered it.
> > They fish it out from under the plastic and take it home.What they do
> > with it there is beyond reach of the SWRI, the EU, or Uncle Tom Cobbley.

> I don't understand this, if it is being given away how does brussels 
> sprouts have a say in it? This is no different from baking for a few 
> elderly neighbours.

Just hang about - they'll come to that. AIUI some schools are stopping
parents cooking for some of their events "in the interests of Safety".

Has anybody done a risk assessment on this? I'd like to see the results.
Sure, the HAZARD is there in that something COULD have happened during
public showing but what is the RISK? How many cases of public poisoning
have actually been known?

Jane

> Dave

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In article ,
   Tim C.  wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:18:09 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
> <news:g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org> :

> >  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
> > 
> >>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
> >>  EU bans eating of competition cake
> >>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
> >> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
> >>
> >>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
> >> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
> >> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
> >>
> >>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
> >> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
> >> their winning entries.
> >>
> >>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
> >> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
> >> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.


> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?


> From: http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/press/frontpage/27082008_en.htm

> Despite what you might read elsewhere ("EU bans eating of competition cake"
> - Times Online, 24 August 2008) orders to destroy competition cakes have
> not been baked-up by Brussels' bureaucrats.

> The "new" EU food hygiene legislation has been applied throughout the UK
> from 1 January 2006.

> The rules apply to "food businesses" ¡V and not those events held by the
> Scottish Women's Rural Institutes, or any other local church, school or
> village fair, where food is prepared occasionally.

> See here  (3.8, p10) for further details.
> http://http//ec.europa.eu/food/food/biosafety/hygienelegislation/guidance_doc_852-2004_en.pdf

AIUI the rules <do> apply but enforcers take into account the level of RISK
which, broadly speaking, means the number of people likely to be made ill
if something becomes unfit to eat. 

For a food business, it's a large number so hygiene standards are rigidly
enforced. For local church, school event (not school main catering) etc,
the number of people in danger and the frequency is much smaller so the
rules are not as tight. There should, however, be <a> set of rules to be
followed in how the preparation areas are maintained and used (if outside
the home eg village hall kitchen) and how long food is left out at room
temperature, who can handle food and what their knowledge is etc. 

Following this approach, I imagine the official line would be that since
individual show entries are only likely to be eaten by a very samll number
of people viz entrant and associates then the number of people at risk is
small and there is no need for a sledgehammer approach.

I sincerely hope so. If the SWRI is taking a hard line then I reckon they
are probably shooting themselves in the foot - either no entries or they
have to decide how to enforce destruction whcih will bring them several
problems.

Also, in this time of reducing food supplies, it would be morally wrong to
set up a requirement to destroy food to no purpose.

Cheers
Jane

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Jane Gillett   :   j.gillett@higherstert.co.uk   :   Totnes, Devon.

In article <ekVsk.219868$gc5.207282@pd7urf2no>,
   Graham  wrote:

> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
> >
> >>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
> >>  EU bans eating of competition cake
> >>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
> >> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
> >>
> >>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
> >> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
> >> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
> >>
> >>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
> >> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
> >> their winning entries.
> >>
> >>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
> >> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
> >> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
> >
> >
> I bet the French will ignore it - sensible people!!  Why do Brits always 
> "roll over" and follow these silly regulations?
> Graham 

But....but...but we are BRITISH; we keep the rules. To do otherwise would
not be cricket after all. 

We also goldplate the rules and force our own people to follow stricter
rules than their peers. Sometimes I approve of our rules even when they are
stricter - as in animal welfare, for instance - but I see no reason for
making our people jump through stupid and unnecessary hoops in other cases.

Cheers
Jane

-- 

Jane Gillett   :   j.gillett@higherstert.co.uk   :   Totnes, Devon.

In article ,
   Dave  wrote:
> June Hughes wrote:
> > In message <g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Ophelia 
> > <Ophelia@nix.?.uk.invalid> writes
> > 
> >> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
> >>
> >>>  From The Sunday Times   August 24, 2008
> >>>  EU bans eating of competition cake
> >>>  Brussels says food entered in contests at country shows may cause
> >>> food poisoning Julia Belgutay
> >>>
> >>>  Prize-winning drop scones are as much part of the Women's
> >>> Institute as twin-sets and pearls but now bakery competitions have
> >>> become the latest tradition to fall foul of Brussels bureaucrats.
> >>>
> >>>  New EU regulations have banned the consumption of cakes and scones
> >>> entered at country fairs, preventing contestants from enjoying
> >>> their winning entries.
> >>>
> >>>  The Scottish Women's Rural Institutes (SWRI) - the Scottish
> >>> equivalent of the Women's Institute - has ordered contestants at
> >>> shows to destroy all cakes submitted immediately following competitions.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > That is indeed ridiculous, O.

> It is another case of the tail wagging the dog. Just when will
> politicians learn that they work and take note of what we want them to 
> do? And not the other way round.

That will happen as along as <we> let them get away with it.

Jane

> Dave

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:36:10 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
<news:6hlec6FmkqdiU1@mid.individual.net> :

> Tim C. wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>> <news:6hl03kFlieq3U1@mid.individual.net> :
>>
>>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>>
>>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>>
>> Why did you post it then?
> 
> Just because I don't always believe stuff doesn't mean I can't post it.
> 
> I don't need your permission.
> 
>> Do you always have to be so touchy?
> 
> I wouldn't need to be touchy if you were not so rude.

You wouldn't have thought it rude if you weren't so touchy. <thwack>
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> One of your friends told me to "get lost" from the group. It seems I
> need permission to post :(

You mean you didn't get the forms signed first? In triplicate, in blood?
Silly boy.  

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Tim C. wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:36:10 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
> <news:6hlec6FmkqdiU1@mid.individual.net> :
>
>> Tim C. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>>> <news:6hl03kFlieq3U1@mid.individual.net> :
>>>
>>>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>>>
>>>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>>>
>>> Why did you post it then?
>>
>> Just because I don't always believe stuff doesn't mean I can't post
>> it.
>>
>> I don't need your permission.
>>
>>> Do you always have to be so touchy?
>>
>> I wouldn't need to be touchy if you were not so rude.
>
> You wouldn't have thought it rude if you weren't so touchy. <thwack>

O looks at the silly boy in total disdain.


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"Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio 
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> Tim C. wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:36:10 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>>
>>> Tim C. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>>>>
>>>>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>>>>
>>>> Why did you post it then?
>>>
>>> Just because I don't always believe stuff doesn't mean I can't post
>>> it.
>>>
>>> I don't need your permission.
>>>
>>>> Do you always have to be so touchy?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't need to be touchy if you were not so rude.
>>
>> You wouldn't have thought it rude if you weren't so touchy. <thwack>
>
> O looks at the silly boy in total disdain.

Not dis dain, O, dat dain.

Giusi wrote:
> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:g96erp$tbt$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Tim C. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:36:10 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>>>
>>>> Tim C. wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why did you post it then?
>>>>
>>>> Just because I don't always believe stuff doesn't mean I can't post
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't need your permission.
>>>>
>>>>> Do you always have to be so touchy?
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't need to be touchy if you were not so rude.
>>>
>>> You wouldn't have thought it rude if you weren't so touchy. <thwack>
>>
>> O looks at the silly boy in total disdain.
>
> Not dis dain, O, dat dain.

LOL OK dat too:))

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Jane Gillett wrote:

> We also goldplate the rules and force our own people to follow stricter
> rules than their peers. Sometimes I approve of our rules even when they are
> stricter - as in animal welfare, for instance - but I see no reason for
> making our people jump through stupid and unnecessary hoops in other cases.

Going back a bit, how many of you refrigerate your cakes? Unless they 
have fresh fruit in them, and even then... All the rest of the cakes are 
life limited by drying out.

Dave

Ophelia wrote:

> Tim C. wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:36:10 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>><news:6hlec6FmkqdiU1@mid.individual.net> :
>>
>>
>>>Tim C. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>>>><news:6hl03kFlieq3U1@mid.individual.net> :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>>>>
>>>>>No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>>>>
>>>>Why did you post it then?
>>>
>>>Just because I don't always believe stuff doesn't mean I can't post
>>>it.
>>>
>>>I don't need your permission.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Do you always have to be so touchy?
>>>
>>>I wouldn't need to be touchy if you were not so rude.
>>
>>You wouldn't have thought it rude if you weren't so touchy. <thwack>
> 
> 
> O looks at the silly boy in total disdain.

I wouldn't like to be at the end of _that_ stare  :-)

Dave

"Jane Gillett"  wrote in message 
news:4fd5d3f17dj.gillett@higherstert.co.uk...
> In article <ekVsk.219868$gc5.207282@pd7urf2no>,
>   Graham  wrote:
>
>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:g913eo$u7i$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4597072.ece
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> I bet the French will ignore it - sensible people!!  Why do Brits always
>> "roll over" and follow these silly regulations?
>> Graham
>
> But....but...but we are BRITISH; we keep the rules. To do otherwise would
> not be cricket after all.
>
I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Jane.  Queueing is an 
example.  What other nation is so patient (in the main) about queueing and 
has such a sense of fair play about it?  "I think you were here first.."
I understand it originates from having to queue for food during rationing in 
WWII.
I have a German friend who occasionally comes over to stay with me.  Now 
Germans are great on following rules to the letter but seem to have no idea 
what queueing is about.  I had to have a little word at the bus stop about 
waiting her turn.  She had no idea.
 It's the same with the sunbeds on holiday that gets us Brits so cross 
(because we have talked about things like this, and the war and whatever 
else is different between our countries)   Apparently this is accepted 
German culture and she was shocked to hear how much it upsets us Brits.

When I was over in Germany for the first time I was amazed how clean it was. 
There was absolutely no litter and the countryside was free of dumped 
"anything."  They knock the socks off Britain for recycling though, even in 
such a remote village that I was in (20-odd houses) 12km one way and 10 km 
the other to the nearest shop, they seemed to have it all in hand to get 
everything spirited away.
Even when we visited Hamburg 2 hours away, which is a huge city there was no 
litter at all.
It could help, I suppose, that Germans do not seem to eat crisps ;-)
No, that's just a joke.  If Germans did eat crisps they would dispose of the 
packet they came in very responsibly, it seems to me.
So what to do about litter here?  More education for schoolchildren? More 
fines for anyone who drops any litter?
Whatever the Germans are doing to achieve this, we should be doing.  No-one 
drops litter there.
I asked my friend about it and she said "why would you want to pollute your 
countryside?"
There's no answer to that, is there?

Christina Websell wrote:
> Whatever the Germans are doing to achieve this, we should be doing. No-one 
> drops litter there.
> I asked my friend about it and she said "why would you want to
> pollute your countryside?"
> There's no answer to that, is there?

Disapproval!  My daughter lives in Germany and she has an indoor bin with 
dividers for different types of waste.  Communal bins and each takes a turn 
to put those bins out.   Any mistake is met with fierce condemnation.

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:18:59 +0100, Christina Websell wrote in post :
<news:6hoj8vFlejreU2@mid.individual.net> :

> Queueing is an 
> example.  What other nation is so patient (in the main) about queueing and 
> has such a sense of fair play about it?  "I think you were here first.."

I find Americans to be the best in that respect.
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:06:02 +0100, Dave wrote in post :
<news:rdudnd-dwMSwmCrVnZ2dnUVZ8u2dnZ2d@bt.com> :

> Ophelia wrote:
> 
>> Tim C. wrote:
>> 
>>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:36:10 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>>><news:6hlec6FmkqdiU1@mid.individual.net> :
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tim C. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0100, Ophelia wrote in post :
>>>>><news:6hl03kFlieq3U1@mid.individual.net> :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No I don't.  Do you need to be so rude?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did you post it then?
>>>>
>>>>Just because I don't always believe stuff doesn't mean I can't post
>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>I don't need your permission.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you always have to be so touchy?
>>>>
>>>>I wouldn't need to be touchy if you were not so rude.
>>>
>>>You wouldn't have thought it rude if you weren't so touchy. <thwack>
>> 
>> O looks at the silly boy in total disdain.
> 
> I wouldn't like to be at the end of _that_ stare  :-)
> 
> Dave

it was painful, I can tell you.

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In article ,
   Christina Websell  wrote:

<snip>


> So what to do about litter here?  More education for schoolchildren? More 
> fines for anyone who drops any litter?

I don't think it's just schoolchildren. Older generations need educating
too IME.

Jane

> Whatever the Germans are doing to achieve this, we should be doing.  No-one 
> drops litter there.
> I asked my friend about it and she said "why would you want to pollute your 
> countryside?"
> There's no answer to that, is there?

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Jane Gillett  wrote:

> In article ,
>    Christina Websell  wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> 
> > So what to do about litter here?  More education for schoolchildren? More
> > fines for anyone who drops any litter?
> 
> I don't think it's just schoolchildren. Older generations need educating
> too IME.

Indeed- and it can't be just schoolchildren who are responsible for the
appalling amount of waste to be found alongside country roads etc.-
discarded by people as they drive past. It's not always immediately
visible- but have a look behind the grass a few feet away from the
roadside, and the litter is appalling. It's like one long continuous
rubbish dump in some areas.

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"Dave"  ha scritto nel messaggio
> Going back a bit, how many of you refrigerate your cakes? Unless they have 
> fresh fruit in them, and even then... All the rest of the cakes are life 
> limited by drying out.
>
> Dave

Many cakes here have whipped cream.  Local taste I guess.  Some of my 
italianate cakes are vulnerable for many ingredients that need the chill to 
remain firm.  My favorite: three thin layers of Pan di Spagna-- a sponge, 
each one is liberally sprinkled with grappa perfumed with raspberries-- no 
sugar, each layer but the top one is then spread with raspberry preserves, 
then chocolate mousse.  Once assembled the whole thing is frosted with 
whipped cream and covered with fresh raspberries.  It does not dry out, 
Dave.

"Tim C."  ha scritto nel messaggio 
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> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:18:59 +0100, Christina Websell wrote in post :
> <news:6hoj8vFlejreU2@mid.individual.net> :
>
>> Queueing is an
>> example.  What other nation is so patient (in the main) about queueing 
>> and
>> has such a sense of fair play about it?  "I think you were here first.."
>
> I find Americans to be the best in that respect.
> -- 
> Tim C.

I do try, and believe me it confuses the Italians no end!

Giusi  wrote:

> "Dave"  ha scritto nel messaggio
> > Going back a bit, how many of you refrigerate your cakes? Unless they have
> > fresh fruit in them, and even then... All the rest of the cakes are life
> > limited by drying out.
> >
> > Dave
> 
> Many cakes here have whipped cream.  Local taste I guess.  Some of my
> italianate cakes are vulnerable for many ingredients that need the chill to
> remain firm.  My favorite: three thin layers of Pan di Spagna-- a sponge,
> each one is liberally sprinkled with grappa perfumed with raspberries-- no
> sugar, each layer but the top one is then spread with raspberry preserves,
> then chocolate mousse.  Once assembled the whole thing is frosted with
> whipped cream and covered with fresh raspberries.  It does not dry out,
> Dave. 

Same thing with Norwegian bløtkake- a variety of  thing are used to
moisten the sponge, depending on the recipe- some with alcohol, some
not.

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Giusi wrote:

> "Dave"  ha scritto nel messaggio
> 
>>Going back a bit, how many of you refrigerate your cakes? Unless they have 
>>fresh fruit in them, and even then... All the rest of the cakes are life 
>>limited by drying out.
>>
>>Dave
> 
> 
> Man