As a curry addicted Englishman living in the US, I have to drive over 50 
miles to visit any Indian restaurant.  Both myself and my wife and 18 year 
old daughter ADORE Indian food.  The eyes of the waiter in the first Indian 
restaurant I took them to here in America opened wide when my daughter, then 
8 years old asked the waiter to bring her a Chicken Tikka Masala.  He had 
expected her to order a cheese burger or some other piece of junk,  I am by 
no means an expert cook but can follow recipes fairly well and my wife, 
(Pennsylvania Dutch, brought up on a diet of beef, French Fries and 
Scrapple, and who spat out her first taste of a home made curry I made 
(which wasn't that bad, really it wasn't) is, now, an extremely competent 
cook and when she has the time, will make a wonderful Indian meal.

Now, with advancing age and having now found myself with diet controllable 
Type 2 diabetes, I would be grateful if any knowledgeable person on this 
list can direct me to somewhere I can find recipes for Indian food which 
won't blow my blood sugar to the point where my quack goes ape.

Thanks for any suggestions and, on a personal note, I do hope this requested 
subject doesn't degenerate by the 4th or 5th email into a personal slanging 
match as so many seem wont to do.

Happy New Year.

On Jan 5, 12:40 pm, "Cuddly Duddly"  wrote:
> As a curry addicted Englishman living in the US, I have to drive over 50
> miles to visit any Indian restaurant.  Both myself and my wife and 18 year
> old daughter ADORE Indian food.  The eyes of the waiter in the first Indian
> restaurant I took them to here in America opened wide when my daughter, then
> 8 years old asked the waiter to bring her a Chicken Tikka Masala.  He had
> expected her to order a cheese burger or some other piece of junk,  I am by
> no means an expert cook but can follow recipes fairly well and my wife,
> (Pennsylvania Dutch, brought up on a diet of beef, French Fries and
> Scrapple, and who spat out her first taste of a home made curry I made
> (which wasn't that bad, really it wasn't) is, now, an extremely competent
> cook and when she has the time, will make a wonderful Indian meal.
>
> Now, with advancing age and having now found myself with diet controllable> Type 2 diabetes, I would be grateful if any knowledgeable person on this
> list can direct me to somewhere I can find recipes for Indian food which
> won't blow my blood sugar to the point where my quack goes ape.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions and, on a personal note, I do hope this requested
> subject doesn't degenerate by the 4th or 5th email into a personal slanging
> match as so many seem wont to do.
>
> Happy New Year.


My personal interest is in Indian Cooking as well as Nutrition. You
can visit my website www.IndiaCurry.com. The important section is a
Weight loss Program geared for pre-diabetic, hypertension, and high
cholesterol and triglycerides. You may find some interesting recipes
and information. One of the things I suggest, is that you start using
about quarter teaspoon of Cinnamon every day. It increases the
efficiency of insulin and helps pre-diabetics with insulin resistance.
Other items are Fengugreek seeds. Just humor yourself and visit the
site.
I am Indian, and my ex is an American who is pre-diabetic. Many of the
suggestions I make in the Weight loss have really helped her to
control her condition. Good Luck
Yogi

My personal interest is in Indian Cooking as well as Nutrition. You
can visit my website www.IndiaCurry.com. The important section is a
Weight loss Program geared for pre-diabetic, hypertension, and high
cholesterol and triglycerides. You may find some interesting recipes
and information. One of the things I suggest, is that you start using
about quarter teaspoon of Cinnamon every day. It increases the
efficiency of insulin and helps pre-diabetics with insulin resistance.
Other items are Fengugreek seeds. Just humor yourself and visit the
site.
I am Indian, and my ex is an American who is pre-diabetic. Many of the
suggestions I make in the Weight loss have really helped her to
control her condition. Good Luck
Yogi

Thank you, Yogi for such useful information.  Your web site is stuffed full
of excellent links and advice.  I shall have to sit down for a day and go
through it.  My main objective will be to find a diabetic Vindaloo.  I am
salivating at the thought

On Jan 6, 12:33 pm, "Cuddly Duddly"  wrote:
> My personal interest is in Indian Cooking as well as Nutrition. You
> can visit my websitewww.IndiaCurry.com. The important section is a
> Weight loss Program geared for pre-diabetic, hypertension, and high
> cholesterol and triglycerides. You may find some interesting recipes
> and information. One of the things I suggest, is that you start using
> about quarter teaspoon of Cinnamon every day. It increases the
> efficiency of insulin and helps pre-diabetics with insulin resistance.
> Other items are Fengugreek seeds. Just humor yourself and visit the
> site.
> I am Indian, and my ex is an American who is pre-diabetic. Many of the
> suggestions I make in the Weight loss have really helped her to
> control her condition. Good Luck
> Yogi
>
> Thank you, Yogi for such useful information.  Your web site is stuffed full
> of excellent links and advice.  I shall have to sit down for a day and go
> through it.  My main objective will be to find a diabetic Vindaloo.  I am
> salivating at the thought

You can choose from so many vindaloo recipes.
http://www.indiacurry.com/chicken/cx008vindaloo.htm
I would just make a few changes.
1. Choose skinless boneless chicken breast for Chicken Vinadloo. For
Beef, use lean cut sirloin stew meat.
2. Use Canola oil
3. Use goodly amounts of Cinnamon, Cloves, and Fenugreek seeds
powdered. Add crumled Fenugreek leaves, it is helpful and makes the
dish look so attractive at the same time.

Most of Chicken curries in India are acceptable for diabetics. Unlike
vegetable curries, primary source of carbs in Chicken curries is
onions. But the amount of onions per serving is so low that it really
does not matter. On the other hand, you may want to grind some Bitter
gourd (Karela) and add it along with ground onions when frying Masala.
Bitter gourd is helpful with Diabetes. You may not be used to the
taste of bitter gourd added this way, so be careful how much bitter
gourd you are using. The antioxidant that contributes to the
bitterness, has been found to lower the fasting glucose level.

 Heat in the chilies and serranos do not effect the insulin
resistance.

The best way to see the impact is measure fasting glucose level.

Changing the subject from the Vidallo, try the Butternut squash recipe
in the Weight loss recipes. It tastes good, its high in nutrition and
helpfull with Diabetese. Butternut squash can be made as a spicy side
dish.

Welcome to America. UK has the the best Indian restaurants in the
world (including India). Did you know that Chicken tikka originated in
UK, it was declared by UK parliament as the national dish?

Changing the subject from the Vidallo, try the Butternut squash recipe
in the Weight loss recipes. It tastes good, its high in nutrition and
helpfull with Diabetese. Butternut squash can be made as a spicy side
dish.

Welcome to America. UK has the the best Indian restaurants in the
world (including India). Did you know that Chicken tikka originated in
UK, it was declared by UK parliament as the national dish?

Thanks, again, Yogi.

That's one of the things I miss most about the UK, especially having been 
here 30+years,  Indian restaurants and, of course, civilised pubs.  The 
national dish of England used to be unofficially recognised as fish and 
chips.  I did not know that Chicken Tikka had been officially adopted as the 
national dish although I did know that it had been adapted, shall I say to 
suit the English palate, but from which dish I know not.

My idea of heaven would be to sit in an Indian restaurant with some Ravi 
Shankar music playing softly, sipping my mango lhassi, and nibbling on onion 
bharjies (SP?) awaiting my lamb vindaloo on Basmati rice with mango chutney 
and Aloe Gobi on the side.  I'm salivating again!

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:29:04 -0800 (PST),  Yogi Gupta
 wrote:


>Welcome to America. UK has the the best Indian restaurants in the
>world (including India). Did you know that Chicken tikka originated in
>UK, it was declared by UK parliament as the national dish?

I think you mean Chicken Tikka _Masala_, not tikka per se. And it
wasn't 'declared' by parliament, but had become the most common single
dish eaten in Britain according to several market research studies.

-- 
Ace in Alsace - brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom

On Jan 8, 3:22 am, Ace  wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:29:04 -0800 (PST),  Yogi Gupta
>
>  wrote:
> >Welcome to America. UK has the the best Indian restaurants in the
> >world (including India). Did you know that Chicken tikka originated in
> >UK, it was declared by UK parliament as the national dish?
>
> I think you mean Chicken Tikka _Masala_, not tikka per se. And it
> wasn't 'declared' by parliament, but had become the most common single
> dish eaten in Britain according to several market research studies.
>
> --
> Ace in Alsace - brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom

Robin Cook gave a speech in 2001 in the UK parliament declaring
Chicken Tikka Masala as a UKs national dish. Please go to following
link for the speech at the Guardian..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/racism/Story/0,,477023,00.html

'Chicken Tikka Massala is now a true British national dish, not only
because it is the most popular, but because it is a perfect
illustration of the way Britain absorbs and adapts external
influences. Chicken Tikka is an Indian dish. The Massala sauce was
added to satisfy the desire of British people to have their meat
served in gravy.'

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:14:15 -0800 (PST), in
,
Yogi Gupta  wrote:

>On Jan 8, 3:22 am, Ace  wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:29:04 -0800 (PST),  Yogi Gupta
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >Did you know that Chicken tikka originated in
>> >UK, it was declared by UK parliament as the national dish?
>>
>> I think you mean Chicken Tikka _Masala_, not tikka per se. And it
>> wasn't 'declared' by parliament, but had become the most common single
>> dish eaten in Britain according to several market research studies.

>Robin Cook gave a speech in 2001 in the UK parliament declaring
>Chicken Tikka Masala as a UKs national dish. 

I'm aware of the speech concerned, but your use of the term 'declared'
is inappropriate, and it certainly wasn't even mentioned 'by UK
parliament', which would implies some sort of official sanction, but
simply by one speaker in parliament - parliament itself made no
comment.

Yes, I know I'm being pedantic, but your phraseaology would lead to a
significantly different interpretation from what was actually the
case.
-- 
Ace in Alsace - bdotrogers a.t ifrancedotcom

Ace  wrote  on Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:33:27 +0100:

 ??>> Robin Cook gave a speech in 2001 in the UK parliament
 ??>> declaring Chicken Tikka Masala as a UKs national dish.

 A> I'm aware of the speech concerned, but your use of the term
 A> 'declared' is inappropriate, and it certainly wasn't even
 A> mentioned 'by UK parliament', which would implies some sort
 A> of official sanction, but simply by one speaker in
 A> parliament - parliament itself made no comment.

Isn't this a rather silly argument. National "anythings" are 
mostly  a matter of custom rather than law. I am glad that 
Britain has mostly stayed away from the dumb pompous 
declarations of many US states. Witness the "State Invertebrate 
of California": the Banana Slug!

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations: 
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:20:05 GMT, in <9Yohj.13547$9e1.1624@trnddc02>,
"James Silverton"  wrote:

> Ace  wrote  on Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:33:27 +0100:
>
> ??>> Robin Cook gave a speech in 2001 in the UK parliament
> ??>> declaring Chicken Tikka Masala as a UKs national dish.
>
> A> I'm aware of the speech concerned, but your use of the term
> A> 'declared' is inappropriate, and it certainly wasn't even
> A> mentioned 'by UK parliament', which would implies some sort
> A> of official sanction, but simply by one speaker in
> A> parliament - parliament itself made no comment.
>
>Isn't this a rather silly argument. 

Yes. But isn't usenet all about silly arguments? ;-)
-- 
Ace in Alsace - bdotrogers a.t ifrancedotcom

In article , Ace wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:20:05 GMT, in <9Yohj.13547$9e1.1624@trnddc02>,
> "James Silverton"  wrote:
>
>>Isn't this a rather silly argument. 
>
> Yes. But isn't usenet all about silly arguments? ;-)

Strange you should mention that :-)

(Just another lurker in uk.food+drink.indian)

Phil.

-- 
             Phil Launchbury, IT PHB
    'I'm training the bats that live in my cube 
              to juggle mushrooms'

<uk.food+drink.indian>
<Phil Launchbury>
<Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:44:09 +0000>


> >>Isn't this a rather silly argument. 
> >
> > Yes. But isn't usenet all about silly arguments? ;-)
> 
> Strange you should mention that :-)
> 
> (Just another lurker in uk.food+drink.indian)
> 

G'dam lurkers :-)


-- 
www.krustov.co.uk

In article , Krustov wrote:
><uk.food+drink.indian>
><Phil Launchbury>
><Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:44:09 +0000>
>
>
>> > Yes. But isn't usenet all about silly arguments? ;-)
>> 
>> Strange you should mention that :-)
>> 
>> (Just another lurker in uk.food+drink.indian)

> G'dam lurkers :-)

Strangely enough not the first time I've been called something
similar..

Anyway - back on topic - anyone got a good Achari chicken recipe? Or a
Chicken Chat Massala (as done really well by my favourite takeaway but
they won't tell me what goes into the sauce so that I can recreate it -
the chicken is just standard Tandoori slicked fairly thin

Phil.

-- 
             Phil Launchbury, IT PHB
    'I'm training the bats that live in my cube 
              to juggle mushrooms'

up more
wrath; the waters are constantly rising, and waxing more and more
mighty; and there is nothing but the mere pleasure of God, that holds
the waters back, that are unwilling to be stopped, and press hard to go
forward. If God should only withdraw his hand from the flood-gate, it
would immediately fly open, and the fiery floods of the fierceness and
wrath of God, would rush forth with inconceivable fury, and would come
upon you with omnipotent power; and if your strength were ten thousand
times greater than it is, yea, ten thousand times greater than the
strength of the stoutest, sturdiest devil in hell, it would be nothing
to withstand or endure it. 

The bow of God's wrath is bent, and the arrow made ready on the string,
and justice bends the arrow at your heart, and strains the bow, and it
is nothing but the mere pleasure of God, and that of an angry God,
without any promise or obligation at all, that keeps the arrow one
moment from being made drunk with your blood. Thus all you that never
passed under a great change of heart, by the mighty power of the Spirit
of God upon your souls; all you that were never born again, and made new
creatures, and raised from being dead in sin, to a state of new, and
before altogether unexperienced light and life,

in order that those
who loved symbols might consider them and those who loved what was
symbolised might see it therein.

All that tends not to charity is figurative.

The sole aim of the Scripture is charity.

All which tends not to the sole end is the type of it. For since there is
only one end, all which does not lead to it in express terms is figurative.

God thus varies that sole precept of charity to satisfy our curiosity which
seeks for variety, by that variety which still leads us to the one thing
needful. For one thing alone is needful, and we love variety; and God
satisfies both by these varieties, which lead to the one thing needful.

The Jews have so much loved the shadows and have so strictly expected them
that they have misunderstood the reality, when it came in the time and
manner foretold.

The Rabbis take the breasts of the Spouse for types, and all that does not
express the only end they have, namely, temporal good.

And Christians take even the Eucharist as a type of the glory at which they
aim.

671. The Jews, who have been called to subdue nations and kings, have been
the slaves of sin; and the Christians, whose calling has been to be servants
and subjects, are free children.

672. A formal point.--When Saint Peter and the Apostles deliberated about
abolishing circumcision, where it was a question of acting against the law
of God, they did not heed the prophets, but simply the reception of the Holy
Spirit in the persons uncircumcised.

They thought it more certain that God approved of those whom He filled with
His Spirit than it was that the law must be obeyed. They knew that the end
of the law was only the Holy Spirit; a

himself.

Hence it comes that play and the society of women, war and high posts, are
so sought after. Not that there is in fact any happiness in them, or that
men imagine true bliss to consist in money won at play, or in the hare which
they hunt; we would not take these as a gift. We do not seek that easy and
peaceful lot which permits us to think of our unhappy condition, nor the
dangers of war, nor the labour of office, but the bustle which averts these
thoughts of ours and amuses us.

Reasons why we like the chase better than the quarry.

Hence it comes that men so much love noise and stir; hence it comes that the
prison is so horrible a punishment; hence it comes that the pleasure of
solitude is a thing incomprehensible. And it is, in fact, the greatest
source of happiness in the condition of kings that men try incessantly to
divert them and to procure for them all kinds of pleasures.

The king is surrounded by persons whose only thought is to divert the king
and to prevent his thinking of self. For he is unhappy, king though he be,
if he think of himself.

This is all that men have been able to discover to make themselves happy.
And those who philosophise on the matter, and wh

the
Lord, that formed me from the womb to be His servant, to bring Jacob and
Israel again to Him, Thou shalt be glorious in my sight, and I will be thy
strength. It is a light thing that thou shouldst convert the tribes of
Jacob; I have raised thee up for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest
be my salvation unto the ends of the earth. Thus saith the Lord to him whom
man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers,
Princes and kings shall worship thee, because the Lord is faithful that hath
chosen thee.

"Again saith the Lord unto me, I have heard thee in the days of salvation
and of mercy, and I will preserve thee for a covenant of the people, to
cause to inherit the desolate nations, that thou mayest say to the
prisoners: Go forth; to them that are in darkness show yourselves, and
possess these abundant and fertile lands. They shall not hunger nor thirst,
neither shall the heat nor sun smite them; for he that hath mercy upon them
shall lead them, even by the springs of waters shall he guide them, and make
the mountains a way before them. Behold, the peoples shall come from all
parts, from the east and from the west, from the north and from the south.
Let the heavens give glory to God; let the earth be joyful; for it hath
pleased the Lord to comfort His people, and He will have mercy upon the poor
who hope in Him.

"Yet Zion dared to say: The Lord hath forsaken me, and hath forgotten me.
Can a woman forget her child, that she should not have compassion on the son
of her womb? but if she forget, yet will not I forget thee, O Sion. I will
bear thee always between my hands, and thy walls are continually before me.
They that shall build thee are come, and thy destroyers shall go forth of
thee. Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold; all

James  wrote  on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:05:21 GMT:

 JS> 904. They make a rule of exception.

 JS> Have the men of old given absolution before penance? Do
 JS> this as exceptional. But of the exception you make a rule
 JS> without exception, so that you do not even want the rule to
 JS> be exceptional.

 JS> 905. On confessions and absolutions without signs of
 JS> regret.

I did not write this ridiculous post! My name has been attached 
somehow.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations: 
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Jan 11, 8:43 am, "James Silverton" 
wrote:
>  James  wrote  on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:05:21 GMT:
>
>  JS> 904. They make a rule of exception.
>
>  JS> Have the men of old given absolution before penance? Do
>  JS> this as exceptional. But of the exception you make a rule
>  JS> without exception, so that you do not even want the rule to
>  JS> be exceptional.
>
>  JS> 905. On confessions and absolutions without signs of
>  JS> regret.
>
> I did not write this ridiculous post! My name has been attached
> somehow.
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland
>
> E-mail, with obvious alterations:
> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

We know, somehow they're pinching profiles.
If they use your name on how to extend body parts, just laugh it off.
Dan

"James Silverton"  wrote in 
news:9Yohj.13547$9e1.1624@trnddc02:

> Isn't this a rather silly argument. National "anythings" are 
> mostly  a matter of custom rather than law. I am glad that 
> Britain has mostly stayed away from the dumb pompous 
> declarations of many US states. Witness the "State Invertebrate 
> of California": the Banana Slug!

What's wrong with California? Are they short of politicians out there?

- Shankar (who actually likes California rather a lot)

Shankar  wrote  on Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:39:43 GMT:

 ??>> Isn't this a rather silly argument. National "anythings"
 ??>> are mostly  a matter of custom rather than law. I am glad
 ??>> that Britain has mostly stayed away from the dumb pompous
 ??>> declarations of many US states. Witness the "State
 ??>> Invertebrate of California": the Banana Slug!

 SB> What's wrong with California? Are they short of politicians
 SB> out there?

They might well be better choices! Mind you, the slugs are 
impressive: over 6 inch long and bright yellow. My four-year old 
granddaughter was recently fascinated by seeing her first one! 
There are some things in the US that are almost unbelievable on 
first sight like the enormous Lunar Moth and its caterpillar.

James Silverton (who likes CA too!)
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations: 
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not