I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
- but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
out most restaurants and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked
wihout ghee and other bad stuff?

E.

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
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..Virtual.  http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/ufdi/index.html 
StrongArm  Under construction, FAQ, recipes, tips, booklist, links
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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
..ElaineJ.  Home Pages and FAQ of uk.food+drink.indian can be viewed at 
..Virtual.  http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/ufdi/index.html 
StrongArm  Under construction, FAQ, recipes, tips, booklist, links
..RISC PC.  Questions and suggestions please, email or to the newsgroup

In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

"eastender"  wrote in message 
news:46934A5B.F691385C@eastend.com...
>I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked
> wihout ghee and other bad stuff?

Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor 
advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own 
anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you 
have a problem?

Depending on your answer to the above question you have a guide for future 
action.

If you have a clinically signficant cholestorol problem then, yes, a 
sensible approach to health management means that you should not eat 
mainstream Indian restaurant food. But the decision is yours - it's your 
health and your risk.

If it's a question of anxiety with no objective evidence that you have a 
problem then eating Indian restaurant food less frequently and in the 
context of an otherwise healthy and balanced diet may be a sensible option.

The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has 
no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's 
be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK 
are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very 
high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men. The 
NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in relation 
to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so, 
unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British 
curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi 
restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong). But 
the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally 
shittily treated by the National Health Service.

If you have a cholestorol problem you would a) need to be very specific with 
the restaurant owner about your diet needs and b) be able to have some 
security that the chef is prepared to take your needs seriously.

My advice would be: if you have a cholestorol problem then don't fuck about 
with your diet or other aspects of your lifestyle or you will be heading for 
some serious, serious shit if you do.

I remember reasding a story in the Sun some years ago (it was a copy left in 
a waiting room somewhere) describing the fact that a restaurant owner was 
advertising his Balti dishes as being low in salt and low in harmful fats.I 
can't remember for the life of me where the restaurant was - the story was 
probably 8 or 9 years ago - but if true it suggests that there may be a 
glimmer of hope.

Good luck.

Gareth.

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
..ElaineJ.  Home Pages and FAQ of uk.food+drink.indian can be viewed at 
..Virtual.  http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/ufdi/index.html 
StrongArm  Under construction, FAQ, recipes, tips, booklist, links
..RISC PC.  Questions and suggestions please, email or to the newsgroup

In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

"eastender"  wrote in message 
news:46934A5B.F691385C@eastend.com...
>I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked
> wihout ghee and other bad stuff?

Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor 
advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own 
anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you 
have a problem?

Depending on your answer to the above question you have a guide for future 
action.

If you have a clinically signficant cholestorol problem then, yes, a 
sensible approach to health management means that you should not eat 
mainstream Indian restaurant food. But the decision is yours - it's your 
health and your risk.

If it's a question of anxiety with no objective evidence that you have a 
problem then eating Indian restaurant food less frequently and in the 
context of an otherwise healthy and balanced diet may be a sensible option.

The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has 
no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's 
be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK 
are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very 
high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men. The 
NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in relation 
to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so, 
unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British 
curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi 
restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong). But 
the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally 
shittily treated by the National Health Service.

If you have a cholestorol problem you would a) need to be very specific with 
the restaurant owner about your diet needs and b) be able to have some 
security that the chef is prepared to take your needs seriously.

My advice would be: if you have a cholestorol problem then don't fuck about 
with your diet or other aspects of your lifestyle or you will be heading for 
some serious, serious shit if you do.

I remember reasding a story in the Sun some years ago (it was a copy left in 
a waiting room somewhere) describing the fact that a restaurant owner was 
advertising his Balti dishes as being low in salt and low in harmful fats.I 
can't remember for the life of me where the restaurant was - the story was 
probably 8 or 9 years ago - but if true it suggests that there may be a 
glimmer of hope.

Good luck.

Gareth.

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
..ElaineJ.  Home Pages and FAQ of uk.food+drink.indian can be viewed at 
..Virtual.  http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/ufdi/index.html 
StrongArm  Under construction, FAQ, recipes, tips, booklist, links
..RISC PC.  Questions and suggestions please, email or to the newsgroup

In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

"eastender"  wrote in message 
news:46934A5B.F691385C@eastend.com...
>I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked
> wihout ghee and other bad stuff?

Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor 
advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own 
anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you 
have a problem?

Depending on your answer to the above question you have a guide for future 
action.

If you have a clinically signficant cholestorol problem then, yes, a 
sensible approach to health management means that you should not eat 
mainstream Indian restaurant food. But the decision is yours - it's your 
health and your risk.

If it's a question of anxiety with no objective evidence that you have a 
problem then eating Indian restaurant food less frequently and in the 
context of an otherwise healthy and balanced diet may be a sensible option.

The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has 
no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's 
be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK 
are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very 
high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men. The 
NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in relation 
to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so, 
unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British 
curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi 
restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong). But 
the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally 
shittily treated by the National Health Service.

If you have a cholestorol problem you would a) need to be very specific with 
the restaurant owner about your diet needs and b) be able to have some 
security that the chef is prepared to take your needs seriously.

My advice would be: if you have a cholestorol problem then don't fuck about 
with your diet or other aspects of your lifestyle or you will be heading for 
some serious, serious shit if you do.

I remember reasding a story in the Sun some years ago (it was a copy left in 
a waiting room somewhere) describing the fact that a restaurant owner was 
advertising his Balti dishes as being low in salt and low in harmful fats.I 
can't remember for the life of me where the restaurant was - the story was 
probably 8 or 9 years ago - but if true it suggests that there may be a 
glimmer of hope.

Good luck.

Gareth.

Gareth wrote:

> Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor
> advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own
> anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you
> have a problem?

I've had two hospital tests, both high on harmful side.

> The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has
> no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's
> be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK
> are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very
> high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men.

I agree - I've done some writing in health promotion and this is indeed
worrying. Type II diabetes is also high.


> The NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in
> relation
> to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so,
> unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British
> curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi
> restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong).

There are some projects - notably various Khush Dil  (happy heart) projects. I
guess healthier food is likely to be found or asked for in the more upmarket
outlets.


> But the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally
>
> shittily treated by the National Health Service.

Not sure this is true - as I said there are lots of projects.


E.

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
..ElaineJ.  Home Pages and FAQ of uk.food+drink.indian can be viewed at 
..Virtual.  http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/ufdi/index.html 
StrongArm  Under construction, FAQ, recipes, tips, booklist, links
..RISC PC.  Questions and suggestions please, email or to the newsgroup

In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

"eastender"  wrote in message 
news:46934A5B.F691385C@eastend.com...
>I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked
> wihout ghee and other bad stuff?

Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor 
advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own 
anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you 
have a problem?

Depending on your answer to the above question you have a guide for future 
action.

If you have a clinically signficant cholestorol problem then, yes, a 
sensible approach to health management means that you should not eat 
mainstream Indian restaurant food. But the decision is yours - it's your 
health and your risk.

If it's a question of anxiety with no objective evidence that you have a 
problem then eating Indian restaurant food less frequently and in the 
context of an otherwise healthy and balanced diet may be a sensible option.

The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has 
no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's 
be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK 
are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very 
high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men. The 
NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in relation 
to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so, 
unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British 
curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi 
restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong). But 
the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally 
shittily treated by the National Health Service.

If you have a cholestorol problem you would a) need to be very specific with 
the restaurant owner about your diet needs and b) be able to have some 
security that the chef is prepared to take your needs seriously.

My advice would be: if you have a cholestorol problem then don't fuck about 
with your diet or other aspects of your lifestyle or you will be heading for 
some serious, serious shit if you do.

I remember reasding a story in the Sun some years ago (it was a copy left in 
a waiting room somewhere) describing the fact that a restaurant owner was 
advertising his Balti dishes as being low in salt and low in harmful fats.I 
can't remember for the life of me where the restaurant was - the story was 
probably 8 or 9 years ago - but if true it suggests that there may be a 
glimmer of hope.

Good luck.

Gareth.

Gareth wrote:

> Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor
> advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own
> anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you
> have a problem?

I've had two hospital tests, both high on harmful side.

> The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has
> no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's
> be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK
> are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very
> high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men.

I agree - I've done some writing in health promotion and this is indeed
worrying. Type II diabetes is also high.


> The NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in
> relation
> to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so,
> unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British
> curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi
> restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong).

There are some projects - notably various Khush Dil  (happy heart) projects. I
guess healthier food is likely to be found or asked for in the more upmarket
outlets.


> But the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally
>
> shittily treated by the National Health Service.

Not sure this is true - as I said there are lots of projects.


E.

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
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..Virtual.  http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/ufdi/index.html 
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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

"eastender"  wrote in message 
news:46934A5B.F691385C@eastend.com...
>I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked
> wihout ghee and other bad stuff?

Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor 
advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own 
anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you 
have a problem?

Depending on your answer to the above question you have a guide for future 
action.

If you have a clinically signficant cholestorol problem then, yes, a 
sensible approach to health management means that you should not eat 
mainstream Indian restaurant food. But the decision is yours - it's your 
health and your risk.

If it's a question of anxiety with no objective evidence that you have a 
problem then eating Indian restaurant food less frequently and in the 
context of an otherwise healthy and balanced diet may be a sensible option.

The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has 
no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's 
be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK 
are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very 
high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men. The 
NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in relation 
to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so, 
unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British 
curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi 
restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong). But 
the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally 
shittily treated by the National Health Service.

If you have a cholestorol problem you would a) need to be very specific with 
the restaurant owner about your diet needs and b) be able to have some 
security that the chef is prepared to take your needs seriously.

My advice would be: if you have a cholestorol problem then don't fuck about 
with your diet or other aspects of your lifestyle or you will be heading for 
some serious, serious shit if you do.

I remember reasding a story in the Sun some years ago (it was a copy left in 
a waiting room somewhere) describing the fact that a restaurant owner was 
advertising his Balti dishes as being low in salt and low in harmful fats.I 
can't remember for the life of me where the restaurant was - the story was 
probably 8 or 9 years ago - but if true it suggests that there may be a 
glimmer of hope.

Good luck.

Gareth.

Gareth wrote:

> Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor
> advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own
> anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you
> have a problem?

I've had two hospital tests, both high on harmful side.

> The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has
> no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's
> be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK
> are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very
> high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men.

I agree - I've done some writing in health promotion and this is indeed
worrying. Type II diabetes is also high.


> The NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in
> relation
> to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so,
> unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British
> curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi
> restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong).

There are some projects - notably various Khush Dil  (happy heart) projects. I
guess healthier food is likely to be found or asked for in the more upmarket
outlets.


> But the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally
>
> shittily treated by the National Health Service.

Not sure this is true - as I said there are lots of projects.


E.

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
..ElaineJ.  Home Pages and FAQ of uk.food+drink.indian can be viewed at 
..Virtual.  http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/ufdi/index.html 
StrongArm  Under construction, FAQ, recipes, tips, booklist, links
..RISC PC.  Questions and suggestions please, email or to the newsgroup

In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

"eastender"  wrote in message 
news:46934A5B.F691385C@eastend.com...
>I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked
> wihout ghee and other bad stuff?

Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor 
advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own 
anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you 
have a problem?

Depending on your answer to the above question you have a guide for future 
action.

If you have a clinically signficant cholestorol problem then, yes, a 
sensible approach to health management means that you should not eat 
mainstream Indian restaurant food. But the decision is yours - it's your 
health and your risk.

If it's a question of anxiety with no objective evidence that you have a 
problem then eating Indian restaurant food less frequently and in the 
context of an otherwise healthy and balanced diet may be a sensible option.

The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has 
no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's 
be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK 
are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very 
high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men. The 
NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in relation 
to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so, 
unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British 
curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi 
restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong). But 
the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally 
shittily treated by the National Health Service.

If you have a cholestorol problem you would a) need to be very specific with 
the restaurant owner about your diet needs and b) be able to have some 
security that the chef is prepared to take your needs seriously.

My advice would be: if you have a cholestorol problem then don't fuck about 
with your diet or other aspects of your lifestyle or you will be heading for 
some serious, serious shit if you do.

I remember reasding a story in the Sun some years ago (it was a copy left in 
a waiting room somewhere) describing the fact that a restaurant owner was 
advertising his Balti dishes as being low in salt and low in harmful fats.I 
can't remember for the life of me where the restaurant was - the story was 
probably 8 or 9 years ago - but if true it suggests that there may be a 
glimmer of hope.

Good luck.

Gareth.

Gareth wrote:

> Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor
> advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own
> anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you
> have a problem?

I've had two hospital tests, both high on harmful side.

> The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has
> no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's
> be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK
> are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very
> high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men.

I agree - I've done some writing in health promotion and this is indeed
worrying. Type II diabetes is also high.


> The NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in
> relation
> to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so,
> unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British
> curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi
> restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong).

There are some projects - notably various Khush Dil  (happy heart) projects. I
guess healthier food is likely to be found or asked for in the more upmarket
outlets.


> But the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally
>
> shittily treated by the National Health Service.

Not sure this is true - as I said there are lots of projects.


E.

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
..ElaineJ.  Home Pages and FAQ of uk.food+drink.indian can be viewed at 
..Virtual.  http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/ufdi/index.html 
StrongArm  Under construction, FAQ, recipes, tips, booklist, links
..RISC PC.  Questions and suggestions please, email or to the newsgroup

In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

"eastender"  wrote in message 
news:46934A5B.F691385C@eastend.com...
>I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked
> wihout ghee and other bad stuff?

Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor 
advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own 
anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you 
have a problem?

Depending on your answer to the above question you have a guide for future 
action.

If you have a clinically signficant cholestorol problem then, yes, a 
sensible approach to health management means that you should not eat 
mainstream Indian restaurant food. But the decision is yours - it's your 
health and your risk.

If it's a question of anxiety with no objective evidence that you have a 
problem then eating Indian restaurant food less frequently and in the 
context of an otherwise healthy and balanced diet may be a sensible option.

The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has 
no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's 
be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK 
are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very 
high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men. The 
NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in relation 
to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so, 
unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British 
curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi 
restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong). But 
the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally 
shittily treated by the National Health Service.

If you have a cholestorol problem you would a) need to be very specific with 
the restaurant owner about your diet needs and b) be able to have some 
security that the chef is prepared to take your needs seriously.

My advice would be: if you have a cholestorol problem then don't fuck about 
with your diet or other aspects of your lifestyle or you will be heading for 
some serious, serious shit if you do.

I remember reasding a story in the Sun some years ago (it was a copy left in 
a waiting room somewhere) describing the fact that a restaurant owner was 
advertising his Balti dishes as being low in salt and low in harmful fats.I 
can't remember for the life of me where the restaurant was - the story was 
probably 8 or 9 years ago - but if true it suggests that there may be a 
glimmer of hope.

Good luck.

Gareth.

Gareth wrote:

> Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor
> advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own
> anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you
> have a problem?

I've had two hospital tests, both high on harmful side.

> The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has
> no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's
> be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK
> are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very
> high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men.

I agree - I've done some writing in health promotion and this is indeed
worrying. Type II diabetes is also high.


> The NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in
> relation
> to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so,
> unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British
> curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi
> restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong).

There are some projects - notably various Khush Dil  (happy heart) projects. I
guess healthier food is likely to be found or asked for in the more upmarket
outlets.


> But the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally
>
> shittily treated by the National Health Service.

Not sure this is true - as I said there are lots of projects.


E.

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
..ElaineJ.  Home Pages and FAQ of uk.food+drink.indian can be viewed at 
..Virtual.  http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/ufdi/index.html 
StrongArm  Under construction, FAQ, recipes, tips, booklist, links
..RISC PC.  Questions and suggestions please, email or to the newsgroup

In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

"eastender"  wrote in message 
news:46934A5B.F691385C@eastend.com...
>I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked
> wihout ghee and other bad stuff?

Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor 
advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own 
anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you 
have a problem?

Depending on your answer to the above question you have a guide for future 
action.

If you have a clinically signficant cholestorol problem then, yes, a 
sensible approach to health management means that you should not eat 
mainstream Indian restaurant food. But the decision is yours - it's your 
health and your risk.

If it's a question of anxiety with no objective evidence that you have a 
problem then eating Indian restaurant food less frequently and in the 
context of an otherwise healthy and balanced diet may be a sensible option.

The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has 
no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's 
be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK 
are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very 
high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men. The 
NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in relation 
to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so, 
unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British 
curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi 
restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong). But 
the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally 
shittily treated by the National Health Service.

If you have a cholestorol problem you would a) need to be very specific with 
the restaurant owner about your diet needs and b) be able to have some 
security that the chef is prepared to take your needs seriously.

My advice would be: if you have a cholestorol problem then don't fuck about 
with your diet or other aspects of your lifestyle or you will be heading for 
some serious, serious shit if you do.

I remember reasding a story in the Sun some years ago (it was a copy left in 
a waiting room somewhere) describing the fact that a restaurant owner was 
advertising his Balti dishes as being low in salt and low in harmful fats.I 
can't remember for the life of me where the restaurant was - the story was 
probably 8 or 9 years ago - but if true it suggests that there may be a 
glimmer of hope.

Good luck.

Gareth.

Gareth wrote:

> Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor
> advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own
> anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you
> have a problem?

I've had two hospital tests, both high on harmful side.

> The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has
> no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's
> be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK
> are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very
> high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men.

I agree - I've done some writing in health promotion and this is indeed
worrying. Type II diabetes is also high.


> The NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in
> relation
> to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so,
> unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British
> curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi
> restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong).

There are some projects - notably various Khush Dil  (happy heart) projects. I
guess healthier food is likely to be found or asked for in the more upmarket
outlets.


> But the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally
>
> shittily treated by the National Health Service.

Not sure this is true - as I said there are lots of projects.


E.

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

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In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

"eastender"  wrote in message 
news:46934A5B.F691385C@eastend.com...
>I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked
> wihout ghee and other bad stuff?

Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor 
advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own 
anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you 
have a problem?

Depending on your answer to the above question you have a guide for future 
action.

If you have a clinically signficant cholestorol problem then, yes, a 
sensible approach to health management means that you should not eat 
mainstream Indian restaurant food. But the decision is yours - it's your 
health and your risk.

If it's a question of anxiety with no objective evidence that you have a 
problem then eating Indian restaurant food less frequently and in the 
context of an otherwise healthy and balanced diet may be a sensible option.

The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has 
no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's 
be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK 
are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very 
high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men. The 
NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in relation 
to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so, 
unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British 
curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi 
restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong). But 
the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally 
shittily treated by the National Health Service.

If you have a cholestorol problem you would a) need to be very specific with 
the restaurant owner about your diet needs and b) be able to have some 
security that the chef is prepared to take your needs seriously.

My advice would be: if you have a cholestorol problem then don't fuck about 
with your diet or other aspects of your lifestyle or you will be heading for 
some serious, serious shit if you do.

I remember reasding a story in the Sun some years ago (it was a copy left in 
a waiting room somewhere) describing the fact that a restaurant owner was 
advertising his Balti dishes as being low in salt and low in harmful fats.I 
can't remember for the life of me where the restaurant was - the story was 
probably 8 or 9 years ago - but if true it suggests that there may be a 
glimmer of hope.

Good luck.

Gareth.

Gareth wrote:

> Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor
> advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own
> anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you
> have a problem?

I've had two hospital tests, both high on harmful side.

> The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has
> no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's
> be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK
> are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very
> high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men.

I agree - I've done some writing in health promotion and this is indeed
worrying. Type II diabetes is also high.


> The NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in
> relation
> to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so,
> unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British
> curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi
> restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong).

There are some projects - notably various Khush Dil  (happy heart) projects. I
guess healthier food is likely to be found or asked for in the more upmarket
outlets.


> But the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally
>
> shittily treated by the National Health Service.

Not sure this is true - as I said there are lots of projects.


E.

Quoting from message 
 posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender
 I would like to add:

> I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants

Some of them use oil ('cos it's cheaper than ghee).

> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
> bad stuff?

That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which 
leaves you with tikka I suppose.

If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be 
prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

-- 
..ElaineJ.  Home Pages and FAQ of uk.food+drink.indian can be viewed at 
..Virtual.  http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/ufdi/index.html 
StrongArm  Under construction, FAQ, recipes, tips, booklist, links
..RISC PC.  Questions and suggestions please, email or to the newsgroup

In message , Elaine Jones
 writes
>Quoting from message 
> posted on 10 Jul 2007 by eastender

>> and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked wihout ghee and other
>> bad stuff?
>
>That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
>leaves you with tikka I suppose.

        And kebabs and those things that *could* be grilled ...
>
>If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
>prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
        If you are on good terms with the proprietor, that's your place
to go ... food will probably be better, too!

        I've never had a reasonably *phrased* request refused ...
-- 
Rex M F Smith

Elaine Jones wrote:

> That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.

What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
restaurant fare at present?

E.

On 11 Jul, 10:29, eastender  wrote:
> Elaine Jones wrote:
> > That could be difficult if they prepare dishes in advance - which
> > leaves you with tikka I suppose.
>
> > If you are on good terms with your local the proprietor may be
> > prepared to add a suitable range to his/her menu.
>
> What would be suitable - how would you assess the healthiness of typical
> restaurant fare at present?
>
same as always, pretty dire. Far too much oil/fat. But that is almost
inevitable the way the dishes are cooked, being fried meat with
'sauce'. Not the pukka Indian way at all, which can be changed very
slightly to accommodate a balanced meal, whatever that means. That is
to say each person has their own (almost) unique requirements, so a
'balanced meal' for me is not likely a 'balanced meal' for you.

Best stick to your medication and visit the emporia less often, and
make up for it by cooking far healthier real Indian cuisine at home.
We will tell yo how, if you like.
HTH
cheers
Wazza

"eastender"  wrote in message 
news:46934A5B.F691385C@eastend.com...
>I eat (or rather have eaten) a lot of Indian/Pakistani/Bnagladeshi food
> - but need to cut down on cholesterol and saturated fat. Does this rule
> out most restaurants and is it possible to ask for foood to be cooked
> wihout ghee and other bad stuff?

Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor 
advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own 
anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you 
have a problem?

Depending on your answer to the above question you have a guide for future 
action.

If you have a clinically signficant cholestorol problem then, yes, a 
sensible approach to health management means that you should not eat 
mainstream Indian restaurant food. But the decision is yours - it's your 
health and your risk.

If it's a question of anxiety with no objective evidence that you have a 
problem then eating Indian restaurant food less frequently and in the 
context of an otherwise healthy and balanced diet may be a sensible option.

The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has 
no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's 
be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK 
are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very 
high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men. The 
NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in relation 
to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so, 
unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British 
curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi 
restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong). But 
the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally 
shittily treated by the National Health Service.

If you have a cholestorol problem you would a) need to be very specific with 
the restaurant owner about your diet needs and b) be able to have some 
security that the chef is prepared to take your needs seriously.

My advice would be: if you have a cholestorol problem then don't fuck about 
with your diet or other aspects of your lifestyle or you will be heading for 
some serious, serious shit if you do.

I remember reasding a story in the Sun some years ago (it was a copy left in 
a waiting room somewhere) describing the fact that a restaurant owner was 
advertising his Balti dishes as being low in salt and low in harmful fats.I 
can't remember for the life of me where the restaurant was - the story was 
probably 8 or 9 years ago - but if true it suggests that there may be a 
glimmer of hope.

Good luck.

Gareth.

Gareth wrote:

> Why do you need to cut down on harmful saturated fats? Has your doctor
> advised you that you have a problem with cholestorol? Is it your own
> anxiety? Have you carried out a home cholesterol test and found that you
> have a problem?

I've had two hospital tests, both high on harmful side.

> The national news, as we speak, features a report that income difference has
> no implication for health outcomes and food choice. This is bullshit. Let's
> be clear about one thing: ethnic and racial inequalities in health in the UK
> are clear and worrying. The Bangladeshi community in particular has very
> high rates of heart disease and heart failure impacting Bangladeshi men.

I agree - I've done some writing in health promotion and this is indeed
worrying. Type II diabetes is also high.


> The NHS has almost completely failed to reach out to this community in
> relation
> to health promotion and discussion of lifestyle choice and so,
> unfortunately, there is little scope (I think) for a white British
> curry-holic with white British concerns to tap in to a Bangladeshi
> restaurant onwner's understanding of a healthy diet (I could be wrong).

There are some projects - notably various Khush Dil  (happy heart) projects. I
guess healthier food is likely to be found or asked for in the more upmarket
outlets.


> But the Bangladeshi population of the UK has been pretty poorly and generally
>
> shittily treated by the National Health Service.

Not sure this is true - as I said there are lots of projects.


E.