Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
the best to use?

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
>the best to use?


Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Frank Gilliland wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
> 
> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
> > which is the best to use?
> 
> 
> Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Yes, but which one sharpens the best?

> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:50:33 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p8s9$hg4$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Frank Gilliland wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>> 
>> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>> > which is the best to use?
>> 
>> 
>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>
>Yes, but which one sharpens the best?


Well, unless the knife is too soft to hold an edge, I can sharpen most
any knife with a standard kitchen combination stone (medium on one
side, fine on the other). If I want it razor sharp, a few swipes on a
leather belt works good, just like at the barber shop. I don't see a
need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overkill, IMO.


>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>
>Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!


Fair enough.

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
>the best to use?


Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Frank Gilliland wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
> 
> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
> > which is the best to use?
> 
> 
> Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Yes, but which one sharpens the best?

> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:50:33 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p8s9$hg4$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Frank Gilliland wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>> 
>> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>> > which is the best to use?
>> 
>> 
>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>
>Yes, but which one sharpens the best?


Well, unless the knife is too soft to hold an edge, I can sharpen most
any knife with a standard kitchen combination stone (medium on one
side, fine on the other). If I want it razor sharp, a few swipes on a
leather belt works good, just like at the barber shop. I don't see a
need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overkill, IMO.


>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>
>Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!


Fair enough.

Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  

> I don't see a
> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>

Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.

HTH 

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On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
>the best to use?


Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Frank Gilliland wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
> 
> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
> > which is the best to use?
> 
> 
> Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Yes, but which one sharpens the best?

> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:50:33 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p8s9$hg4$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Frank Gilliland wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>> 
>> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>> > which is the best to use?
>> 
>> 
>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>
>Yes, but which one sharpens the best?


Well, unless the knife is too soft to hold an edge, I can sharpen most
any knife with a standard kitchen combination stone (medium on one
side, fine on the other). If I want it razor sharp, a few swipes on a
leather belt works good, just like at the barber shop. I don't see a
need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overkill, IMO.


>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>
>Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!


Fair enough.

Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  

> I don't see a
> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>

Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.

HTH 

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
 wrote in
<f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:

>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>
>> I don't see a
>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>
>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>
>HTH 


Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
glass cutters are made.

Clive H wrote:

> Frank Gilliland wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>>wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>>
>>
>>>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>>>which is the best to use?
>>
>>
>>Whichever one sharpens your knife.
> 
> 
> Yes, but which one sharpens the best?
> 
> 
>>Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
> 
> 
> Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

No they are not. The only relevant group to post this would be uk.diy  A 
group dedicated to diy projects just like the one you asked.
Sharpening knives has nothing to do with the groups you have cross 
posted to.

HTH

Dave

Dave wrote:

> Clive H wrote:
> 
>> Frank Gilliland wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>>>> which is the best to use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, but which one sharpens the best?
>>
>>
>>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>>
>>
>>
>> Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!
> 
> 
> No they are not. The only relevant group to post this would be uk.diy  A 
> group dedicated to diy projects just like the one you asked.
> Sharpening knives has nothing to do with the groups you have cross 
> posted to.

Though they all need sharp knives...

I forgot to add. Try a google for 'sharpening knives' You will come up 
with lots of help.

Dave

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
>the best to use?


Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Frank Gilliland wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
> 
> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
> > which is the best to use?
> 
> 
> Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Yes, but which one sharpens the best?

> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:50:33 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p8s9$hg4$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Frank Gilliland wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>> 
>> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>> > which is the best to use?
>> 
>> 
>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>
>Yes, but which one sharpens the best?


Well, unless the knife is too soft to hold an edge, I can sharpen most
any knife with a standard kitchen combination stone (medium on one
side, fine on the other). If I want it razor sharp, a few swipes on a
leather belt works good, just like at the barber shop. I don't see a
need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overkill, IMO.


>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>
>Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!


Fair enough.

Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  

> I don't see a
> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>

Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.

HTH 

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
 wrote in
<f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:

>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>
>> I don't see a
>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>
>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>
>HTH 


Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
glass cutters are made.

Clive H wrote:

> Frank Gilliland wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>>wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>>
>>
>>>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>>>which is the best to use?
>>
>>
>>Whichever one sharpens your knife.
> 
> 
> Yes, but which one sharpens the best?
> 
> 
>>Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
> 
> 
> Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

No they are not. The only relevant group to post this would be uk.diy  A 
group dedicated to diy projects just like the one you asked.
Sharpening knives has nothing to do with the groups you have cross 
posted to.

HTH

Dave

Dave wrote:

> Clive H wrote:
> 
>> Frank Gilliland wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>>>> which is the best to use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, but which one sharpens the best?
>>
>>
>>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>>
>>
>>
>> Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!
> 
> 
> No they are not. The only relevant group to post this would be uk.diy  A 
> group dedicated to diy projects just like the one you asked.
> Sharpening knives has nothing to do with the groups you have cross 
> posted to.

Though they all need sharp knives...

I forgot to add. Try a google for 'sharpening knives' You will come up 
with lots of help.

Dave

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:10 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
Gilliland  wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
> wrote in
><f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
>
>>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>>
>>> I don't see a
>>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>>
>>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>>
>>HTH 
>
>
>Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
>diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
>yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
>store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
>would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
>make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
>property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
>glass cutters are made.

The little wheels in Glass cutter do not scratch the glass. The
pressure of the wheel press and flakes off the glass of little vee
shaped groove. The glass is then flexed and the glass breaks along
the vee grove if you have done it correctly. The glass cutters with a
small diamond in the tip actually scratch the glass and not the
preferred method of cutting glass. The Diamond "scratched glass"
tends to not break as cleanly. I prefer using a small well oiled
wheel to cut glass.


-- 
Bob Officer
COOSN-266-06-01986
Hammer of Thor, Sept 2005

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:54:30 -0700, Bob Officer
 wrote in
:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:10 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
>Gilliland  wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
>> wrote in
>><f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
>>
>>>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>>>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>>>
>>>> I don't see a
>>>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>>>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>>>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>>>
>>>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>>>
>>>HTH 
>>
>>
>>Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
>>diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
>>yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
>>store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
>>would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
>>make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
>>property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
>>glass cutters are made.
>
>The little wheels in Glass cutter do not scratch the glass. The
>pressure of the wheel press and flakes off the glass of little vee
>shaped groove. The glass is then flexed and the glass breaks along
>the vee grove if you have done it correctly. The glass cutters with a
>small diamond in the tip actually scratch the glass and not the
>preferred method of cutting glass. The Diamond "scratched glass"
>tends to not break as cleanly. I prefer using a small well oiled
>wheel to cut glass.


I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:19:31 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
Gilliland  wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:54:30 -0700, Bob Officer
> wrote in
>:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:10 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
>>Gilliland  wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
>>> wrote in
>>><f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
>>>
>>>>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>>>>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>>>>
>>>>> I don't see a
>>>>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>>>>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>>>>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>>>>
>>>>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>>>>
>>>>HTH 
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
>>>diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
>>>yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
>>>store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
>>>would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
>>>make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
>>>property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
>>>glass cutters are made.
>>
>>The little wheels in Glass cutter do not scratch the glass. The
>>pressure of the wheel press and flakes off the glass of little vee
>>shaped groove. The glass is then flexed and the glass breaks along
>>the vee grove if you have done it correctly. The glass cutters with a
>>small diamond in the tip actually scratch the glass and not the
>>preferred method of cutting glass. The Diamond "scratched glass"
>>tends to not break as cleanly. I prefer using a small well oiled
>>wheel to cut glass.
>
>I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!

Glad to be a help.
About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
not profit. Please, don't ask me to make anything for you.



-- 
Bob Officer
COOSN-266-06-01986
Hammer of Thor, Sept 2005

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0700, Bob Officer
 wrote in
:

<snip>
>>I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!
>
>Glad to be a help.
>About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
>not profit. Please, don't ask me to make anything for you.


Well, I do have this cathedral that needs a new window.....

BTW, I'm posting from a survival newsgroup, so I suspect you might
have some good advice for those of us less experienced with glass
cuts: What's the best way to clean out shards and apply first aid?
Just go at it with the tweezers?

Clive H wrote:
> Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
> the best to use?
> 

Whatever is good for you , and the knife you are using

I like an oil stone for my personal knives , the one I use is more than 
100 yr old , and originaly came from Germany in the 1800s with a boat maker

it gives a beautiful edge .

this is ian interesting read , if it hasnt been posted allready :
http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=26036

In Message-ID: posted on
Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0700, Bob Officer wrote: Begin  

>About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
>not profit. 

Seems that I saw somewhere that stained glass artists used some kind of
a wick to define the desired breakage line then after it went out and
the glass was still hot along that line it was quenched to effect a cut.


-- 

Bart

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:17:20 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
Gilliland  wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0700, Bob Officer
> wrote in
>:
>
><snip>
>>>I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!
>>
>>Glad to be a help.
>>About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
>>not profit. Please, don't ask me to make anything for you.
>
>
>Well, I do have this cathedral that needs a new window.....

Hah! now you know Why I don't do work for other people. 

>BTW, I'm posting from a survival newsgroup, so I suspect you might
>have some good advice for those of us less experienced with glass
>cuts: What's the best way to clean out shards and apply first aid?
>Just go at it with the tweezers?

I would say "Pick out what you can see" However ... be very careful
when removing glass shards, it could be just like removing a plug
blocking a major wound and you could make a person bleed out if you
are not careful. Best immobilize the injured person and refer to a
professional medical personal. 


-- 
Bob Officer
COOSN-266-06-01986
Hammer of Thor, Sept 2005

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
>the best to use?


Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Frank Gilliland wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
> 
> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
> > which is the best to use?
> 
> 
> Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Yes, but which one sharpens the best?

> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:50:33 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p8s9$hg4$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Frank Gilliland wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>> 
>> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>> > which is the best to use?
>> 
>> 
>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>
>Yes, but which one sharpens the best?


Well, unless the knife is too soft to hold an edge, I can sharpen most
any knife with a standard kitchen combination stone (medium on one
side, fine on the other). If I want it razor sharp, a few swipes on a
leather belt works good, just like at the barber shop. I don't see a
need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overkill, IMO.


>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>
>Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!


Fair enough.

Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  

> I don't see a
> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>

Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.

HTH 

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
 wrote in
<f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:

>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>
>> I don't see a
>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>
>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>
>HTH 


Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
glass cutters are made.

Clive H wrote:

> Frank Gilliland wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>>wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>>
>>
>>>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>>>which is the best to use?
>>
>>
>>Whichever one sharpens your knife.
> 
> 
> Yes, but which one sharpens the best?
> 
> 
>>Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
> 
> 
> Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

No they are not. The only relevant group to post this would be uk.diy  A 
group dedicated to diy projects just like the one you asked.
Sharpening knives has nothing to do with the groups you have cross 
posted to.

HTH

Dave

Dave wrote:

> Clive H wrote:
> 
>> Frank Gilliland wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>>>> which is the best to use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, but which one sharpens the best?
>>
>>
>>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>>
>>
>>
>> Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!
> 
> 
> No they are not. The only relevant group to post this would be uk.diy  A 
> group dedicated to diy projects just like the one you asked.
> Sharpening knives has nothing to do with the groups you have cross 
> posted to.

Though they all need sharp knives...

I forgot to add. Try a google for 'sharpening knives' You will come up 
with lots of help.

Dave

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:10 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
Gilliland  wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
> wrote in
><f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
>
>>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>>
>>> I don't see a
>>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>>
>>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>>
>>HTH 
>
>
>Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
>diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
>yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
>store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
>would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
>make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
>property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
>glass cutters are made.

The little wheels in Glass cutter do not scratch the glass. The
pressure of the wheel press and flakes off the glass of little vee
shaped groove. The glass is then flexed and the glass breaks along
the vee grove if you have done it correctly. The glass cutters with a
small diamond in the tip actually scratch the glass and not the
preferred method of cutting glass. The Diamond "scratched glass"
tends to not break as cleanly. I prefer using a small well oiled
wheel to cut glass.


-- 
Bob Officer
COOSN-266-06-01986
Hammer of Thor, Sept 2005

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:54:30 -0700, Bob Officer
 wrote in
:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:10 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
>Gilliland  wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
>> wrote in
>><f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
>>
>>>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>>>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>>>
>>>> I don't see a
>>>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>>>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>>>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>>>
>>>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>>>
>>>HTH 
>>
>>
>>Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
>>diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
>>yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
>>store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
>>would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
>>make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
>>property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
>>glass cutters are made.
>
>The little wheels in Glass cutter do not scratch the glass. The
>pressure of the wheel press and flakes off the glass of little vee
>shaped groove. The glass is then flexed and the glass breaks along
>the vee grove if you have done it correctly. The glass cutters with a
>small diamond in the tip actually scratch the glass and not the
>preferred method of cutting glass. The Diamond "scratched glass"
>tends to not break as cleanly. I prefer using a small well oiled
>wheel to cut glass.


I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:19:31 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
Gilliland  wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:54:30 -0700, Bob Officer
> wrote in
>:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:10 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
>>Gilliland  wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
>>> wrote in
>>><f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
>>>
>>>>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>>>>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>>>>
>>>>> I don't see a
>>>>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>>>>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>>>>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>>>>
>>>>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>>>>
>>>>HTH 
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
>>>diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
>>>yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
>>>store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
>>>would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
>>>make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
>>>property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
>>>glass cutters are made.
>>
>>The little wheels in Glass cutter do not scratch the glass. The
>>pressure of the wheel press and flakes off the glass of little vee
>>shaped groove. The glass is then flexed and the glass breaks along
>>the vee grove if you have done it correctly. The glass cutters with a
>>small diamond in the tip actually scratch the glass and not the
>>preferred method of cutting glass. The Diamond "scratched glass"
>>tends to not break as cleanly. I prefer using a small well oiled
>>wheel to cut glass.
>
>I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!

Glad to be a help.
About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
not profit. Please, don't ask me to make anything for you.



-- 
Bob Officer
COOSN-266-06-01986
Hammer of Thor, Sept 2005

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0700, Bob Officer
 wrote in
:

<snip>
>>I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!
>
>Glad to be a help.
>About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
>not profit. Please, don't ask me to make anything for you.


Well, I do have this cathedral that needs a new window.....

BTW, I'm posting from a survival newsgroup, so I suspect you might
have some good advice for those of us less experienced with glass
cuts: What's the best way to clean out shards and apply first aid?
Just go at it with the tweezers?

Clive H wrote:
> Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
> the best to use?
> 

Whatever is good for you , and the knife you are using

I like an oil stone for my personal knives , the one I use is more than 
100 yr old , and originaly came from Germany in the 1800s with a boat maker

it gives a beautiful edge .

this is ian interesting read , if it hasnt been posted allready :
http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=26036

In Message-ID: posted on
Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0700, Bob Officer wrote: Begin  

>About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
>not profit. 

Seems that I saw somewhere that stained glass artists used some kind of
a wick to define the desired breakage line then after it went out and
the glass was still hot along that line it was quenched to effect a cut.


-- 

Bart

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:17:20 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
Gilliland  wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0700, Bob Officer
> wrote in
>:
>
><snip>
>>>I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!
>>
>>Glad to be a help.
>>About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
>>not profit. Please, don't ask me to make anything for you.
>
>
>Well, I do have this cathedral that needs a new window.....

Hah! now you know Why I don't do work for other people. 

>BTW, I'm posting from a survival newsgroup, so I suspect you might
>have some good advice for those of us less experienced with glass
>cuts: What's the best way to clean out shards and apply first aid?
>Just go at it with the tweezers?

I would say "Pick out what you can see" However ... be very careful
when removing glass shards, it could be just like removing a plug
blocking a major wound and you could make a person bleed out if you
are not careful. Best immobilize the injured person and refer to a
professional medical personal. 


-- 
Bob Officer
COOSN-266-06-01986
Hammer of Thor, Sept 2005

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
>the best to use?


Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Frank Gilliland wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
> 
> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
> > which is the best to use?
> 
> 
> Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Yes, but which one sharpens the best?

> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:50:33 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p8s9$hg4$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Frank Gilliland wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>> 
>> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>> > which is the best to use?
>> 
>> 
>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>
>Yes, but which one sharpens the best?


Well, unless the knife is too soft to hold an edge, I can sharpen most
any knife with a standard kitchen combination stone (medium on one
side, fine on the other). If I want it razor sharp, a few swipes on a
leather belt works good, just like at the barber shop. I don't see a
need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overkill, IMO.


>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>
>Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!


Fair enough.

Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  

> I don't see a
> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>

Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.

HTH 

-- 
alt.usenet.kooks
"We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us."
Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129]

Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook,
Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007.
Official Member:
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
 wrote in
<f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:

>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>
>> I don't see a
>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>
>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>
>HTH 


Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
glass cutters are made.

Clive H wrote:

> Frank Gilliland wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>>wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>>
>>
>>>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>>>which is the best to use?
>>
>>
>>Whichever one sharpens your knife.
> 
> 
> Yes, but which one sharpens the best?
> 
> 
>>Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
> 
> 
> Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

No they are not. The only relevant group to post this would be uk.diy  A 
group dedicated to diy projects just like the one you asked.
Sharpening knives has nothing to do with the groups you have cross 
posted to.

HTH

Dave

Dave wrote:

> Clive H wrote:
> 
>> Frank Gilliland wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>>>> which is the best to use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, but which one sharpens the best?
>>
>>
>>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>>
>>
>>
>> Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!
> 
> 
> No they are not. The only relevant group to post this would be uk.diy  A 
> group dedicated to diy projects just like the one you asked.
> Sharpening knives has nothing to do with the groups you have cross 
> posted to.

Though they all need sharp knives...

I forgot to add. Try a google for 'sharpening knives' You will come up 
with lots of help.

Dave

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:10 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
Gilliland  wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
> wrote in
><f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
>
>>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>>
>>> I don't see a
>>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>>
>>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>>
>>HTH 
>
>
>Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
>diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
>yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
>store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
>would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
>make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
>property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
>glass cutters are made.

The little wheels in Glass cutter do not scratch the glass. The
pressure of the wheel press and flakes off the glass of little vee
shaped groove. The glass is then flexed and the glass breaks along
the vee grove if you have done it correctly. The glass cutters with a
small diamond in the tip actually scratch the glass and not the
preferred method of cutting glass. The Diamond "scratched glass"
tends to not break as cleanly. I prefer using a small well oiled
wheel to cut glass.


-- 
Bob Officer
COOSN-266-06-01986
Hammer of Thor, Sept 2005

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:54:30 -0700, Bob Officer
 wrote in
:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:10 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
>Gilliland  wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
>> wrote in
>><f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
>>
>>>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>>>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>>>
>>>> I don't see a
>>>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>>>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>>>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>>>
>>>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>>>
>>>HTH 
>>
>>
>>Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
>>diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
>>yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
>>store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
>>would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
>>make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
>>property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
>>glass cutters are made.
>
>The little wheels in Glass cutter do not scratch the glass. The
>pressure of the wheel press and flakes off the glass of little vee
>shaped groove. The glass is then flexed and the glass breaks along
>the vee grove if you have done it correctly. The glass cutters with a
>small diamond in the tip actually scratch the glass and not the
>preferred method of cutting glass. The Diamond "scratched glass"
>tends to not break as cleanly. I prefer using a small well oiled
>wheel to cut glass.


I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:19:31 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
Gilliland  wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:54:30 -0700, Bob Officer
> wrote in
>:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:10 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
>>Gilliland  wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
>>> wrote in
>>><f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
>>>
>>>>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>>>>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>>>>
>>>>> I don't see a
>>>>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>>>>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>>>>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>>>>
>>>>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>>>>
>>>>HTH 
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
>>>diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
>>>yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
>>>store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
>>>would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
>>>make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
>>>property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
>>>glass cutters are made.
>>
>>The little wheels in Glass cutter do not scratch the glass. The
>>pressure of the wheel press and flakes off the glass of little vee
>>shaped groove. The glass is then flexed and the glass breaks along
>>the vee grove if you have done it correctly. The glass cutters with a
>>small diamond in the tip actually scratch the glass and not the
>>preferred method of cutting glass. The Diamond "scratched glass"
>>tends to not break as cleanly. I prefer using a small well oiled
>>wheel to cut glass.
>
>I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!

Glad to be a help.
About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
not profit. Please, don't ask me to make anything for you.



-- 
Bob Officer
COOSN-266-06-01986
Hammer of Thor, Sept 2005

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0700, Bob Officer
 wrote in
:

<snip>
>>I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!
>
>Glad to be a help.
>About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
>not profit. Please, don't ask me to make anything for you.


Well, I do have this cathedral that needs a new window.....

BTW, I'm posting from a survival newsgroup, so I suspect you might
have some good advice for those of us less experienced with glass
cuts: What's the best way to clean out shards and apply first aid?
Just go at it with the tweezers?

Clive H wrote:
> Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
> the best to use?
> 

Whatever is good for you , and the knife you are using

I like an oil stone for my personal knives , the one I use is more than 
100 yr old , and originaly came from Germany in the 1800s with a boat maker

it gives a beautiful edge .

this is ian interesting read , if it hasnt been posted allready :
http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=26036

In Message-ID: posted on
Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0700, Bob Officer wrote: Begin  

>About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
>not profit. 

Seems that I saw somewhere that stained glass artists used some kind of
a wick to define the desired breakage line then after it went out and
the glass was still hot along that line it was quenched to effect a cut.


-- 

Bart

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:17:20 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
Gilliland  wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0700, Bob Officer
> wrote in
>:
>
><snip>
>>>I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!
>>
>>Glad to be a help.
>>About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
>>not profit. Please, don't ask me to make anything for you.
>
>
>Well, I do have this cathedral that needs a new window.....

Hah! now you know Why I don't do work for other people. 

>BTW, I'm posting from a survival newsgroup, so I suspect you might
>have some good advice for those of us less experienced with glass
>cuts: What's the best way to clean out shards and apply first aid?
>Just go at it with the tweezers?

I would say "Pick out what you can see" However ... be very careful
when removing glass shards, it could be just like removing a plug
blocking a major wound and you could make a person bleed out if you
are not careful. Best immobilize the injured person and refer to a
professional medical personal. 


-- 
Bob Officer
COOSN-266-06-01986
Hammer of Thor, Sept 2005

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
>the best to use?


Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Frank Gilliland wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
> 
> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
> > which is the best to use?
> 
> 
> Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Yes, but which one sharpens the best?

> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:50:33 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p8s9$hg4$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Frank Gilliland wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>> 
>> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>> > which is the best to use?
>> 
>> 
>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>
>Yes, but which one sharpens the best?


Well, unless the knife is too soft to hold an edge, I can sharpen most
any knife with a standard kitchen combination stone (medium on one
side, fine on the other). If I want it razor sharp, a few swipes on a
leather belt works good, just like at the barber shop. I don't see a
need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overkill, IMO.


>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>
>Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!


Fair enough.

Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  

> I don't see a
> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>

Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.

HTH 

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
 wrote in
<f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:

>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>
>> I don't see a
>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>
>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>
>HTH 


Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
glass cutters are made.

Clive H wrote:

> Frank Gilliland wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>>wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>>
>>
>>>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>>>which is the best to use?
>>
>>
>>Whichever one sharpens your knife.
> 
> 
> Yes, but which one sharpens the best?
> 
> 
>>Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
> 
> 
> Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

No they are not. The only relevant group to post this would be uk.diy  A 
group dedicated to diy projects just like the one you asked.
Sharpening knives has nothing to do with the groups you have cross 
posted to.

HTH

Dave

Dave wrote:

> Clive H wrote:
> 
>> Frank Gilliland wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>>>> which is the best to use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, but which one sharpens the best?
>>
>>
>>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>>
>>
>>
>> Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!
> 
> 
> No they are not. The only relevant group to post this would be uk.diy  A 
> group dedicated to diy projects just like the one you asked.
> Sharpening knives has nothing to do with the groups you have cross 
> posted to.

Though they all need sharp knives...

I forgot to add. Try a google for 'sharpening knives' You will come up 
with lots of help.

Dave

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:10 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
Gilliland  wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
> wrote in
><f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
>
>>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>>
>>> I don't see a
>>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>>
>>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>>
>>HTH 
>
>
>Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
>diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
>yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
>store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
>would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
>make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
>property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
>glass cutters are made.

The little wheels in Glass cutter do not scratch the glass. The
pressure of the wheel press and flakes off the glass of little vee
shaped groove. The glass is then flexed and the glass breaks along
the vee grove if you have done it correctly. The glass cutters with a
small diamond in the tip actually scratch the glass and not the
preferred method of cutting glass. The Diamond "scratched glass"
tends to not break as cleanly. I prefer using a small well oiled
wheel to cut glass.


-- 
Bob Officer
COOSN-266-06-01986
Hammer of Thor, Sept 2005

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:54:30 -0700, Bob Officer
 wrote in
:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:10 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
>Gilliland  wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
>> wrote in
>><f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
>>
>>>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>>>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>>>
>>>> I don't see a
>>>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>>>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>>>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>>>
>>>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>>>
>>>HTH 
>>
>>
>>Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
>>diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
>>yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
>>store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
>>would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
>>make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
>>property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
>>glass cutters are made.
>
>The little wheels in Glass cutter do not scratch the glass. The
>pressure of the wheel press and flakes off the glass of little vee
>shaped groove. The glass is then flexed and the glass breaks along
>the vee grove if you have done it correctly. The glass cutters with a
>small diamond in the tip actually scratch the glass and not the
>preferred method of cutting glass. The Diamond "scratched glass"
>tends to not break as cleanly. I prefer using a small well oiled
>wheel to cut glass.


I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:19:31 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
Gilliland  wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:54:30 -0700, Bob Officer
> wrote in
>:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:15:10 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
>>Gilliland  wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
>>> wrote in
>>><f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
>>>
>>>>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>>>>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>>>>
>>>>> I don't see a
>>>>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>>>>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>>>>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>>>>
>>>>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>>>>
>>>>HTH 
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
>>>diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
>>>yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
>>>store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
>>>would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
>>>make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
>>>property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
>>>glass cutters are made.
>>
>>The little wheels in Glass cutter do not scratch the glass. The
>>pressure of the wheel press and flakes off the glass of little vee
>>shaped groove. The glass is then flexed and the glass breaks along
>>the vee grove if you have done it correctly. The glass cutters with a
>>small diamond in the tip actually scratch the glass and not the
>>preferred method of cutting glass. The Diamond "scratched glass"
>>tends to not break as cleanly. I prefer using a small well oiled
>>wheel to cut glass.
>
>I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!

Glad to be a help.
About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
not profit. Please, don't ask me to make anything for you.



-- 
Bob Officer
COOSN-266-06-01986
Hammer of Thor, Sept 2005

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0700, Bob Officer
 wrote in
:

<snip>
>>I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!
>
>Glad to be a help.
>About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
>not profit. Please, don't ask me to make anything for you.


Well, I do have this cathedral that needs a new window.....

BTW, I'm posting from a survival newsgroup, so I suspect you might
have some good advice for those of us less experienced with glass
cuts: What's the best way to clean out shards and apply first aid?
Just go at it with the tweezers?

Clive H wrote:
> Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
> the best to use?
> 

Whatever is good for you , and the knife you are using

I like an oil stone for my personal knives , the one I use is more than 
100 yr old , and originaly came from Germany in the 1800s with a boat maker

it gives a beautiful edge .

this is ian interesting read , if it hasnt been posted allready :
http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=26036

In Message-ID: posted on
Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0700, Bob Officer wrote: Begin  

>About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
>not profit. 

Seems that I saw somewhere that stained glass artists used some kind of
a wick to define the desired breakage line then after it went out and
the glass was still hot along that line it was quenched to effect a cut.


-- 

Bart

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:17:20 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, Frank
Gilliland  wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0700, Bob Officer
> wrote in
>:
>
><snip>
>>>I stand corrected, and thanks for the good info!
>>
>>Glad to be a help.
>>About 15 years as an amateur stained glass artist. I do it for fun,
>>not profit. Please, don't ask me to make anything for you.
>
>
>Well, I do have this cathedral that needs a new window.....

Hah! now you know Why I don't do work for other people. 

>BTW, I'm posting from a survival newsgroup, so I suspect you might
>have some good advice for those of us less experienced with glass
>cuts: What's the best way to clean out shards and apply first aid?
>Just go at it with the tweezers?

I would say "Pick out what you can see" However ... be very careful
when removing glass shards, it could be just like removing a plug
blocking a major wound and you could make a person bleed out if you
are not careful. Best immobilize the injured person and refer to a
professional medical personal. 


-- 
Bob Officer
COOSN-266-06-01986
Hammer of Thor, Sept 2005

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones, which is
>the best to use?


Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Frank Gilliland wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
> 
> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
> > which is the best to use?
> 
> 
> Whichever one sharpens your knife.

Yes, but which one sharpens the best?

> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?

Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:50:33 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
wrote in <f6p8s9$hg4$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>Frank Gilliland wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:31:40 +0000 (UTC), "Clive H" 
>> wrote in <f6p7os$fff$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>> 
>> > Out of the traditional oilstone or the new diamond whetstones,
>> > which is the best to use?
>> 
>> 
>> Whichever one sharpens your knife.
>
>Yes, but which one sharpens the best?


Well, unless the knife is too soft to hold an edge, I can sharpen most
any knife with a standard kitchen combination stone (medium on one
side, fine on the other). If I want it razor sharp, a few swipes on a
leather belt works good, just like at the barber shop. I don't see a
need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overkill, IMO.


>> Why is this crossposted to so many groups?
>
>Because they're all relevant to sharpening knifes!


Fair enough.

Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  

> I don't see a
> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>

Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.

HTH 

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Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129]

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:39 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
 wrote in
<f6qe8k$ntd$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:

>Frank Gilliland  Thou bowlegged fell
>serpent. Thou bewildered pilchard. Ye reprimanded:  
>
>> I don't see a
>> need for diamond in a sharpening stone since most stones are made of
>> alumina, which is already harder than any steel, titanium, or other
>> knife material. Diamond is just overpriced overk<BITCHSLAP>
>
>Not if you need to sharpen an alumina knife.
>
>HTH 


Yes, an alumina stone would even sharpen an alumina knife, just like
diamond dust is used to cut and polish diamond gemstones. But I have
yet to run across any diamond or alumina knives at my local hardware
store. Even if I did, I would be wary because the alumina or diamond
would likely just be some dust embedded in a softer metal. It doesn't
make the blade any stronger or sharper, but gives it an -abrasive-
property that will scratch glass. That's how the little wheels in
glass cutters are made.