Come TWP - Do I have to wait for ever before you rush this news to us? 
Forget the stuff about internal US anti-spy measures and get on with 
the real stuff. Here for instance - - - -

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http://www.worldtribune.com:80/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/me_israel0828_10_22.asp


Report: Israel has lost Turkey as a strategic ally
TEL AVIV — Turkey was said to have suspended up to $1 billion in 
proposed Israeli defense projects after canceling a major air exercise 
with Israel.

A leading Israeli defense analyst said the government of Turkish Prime 
Minister Recep Erdogan has decided to end defense and military 
cooperation with Israel. Analyst Ron Ben-Yishai said the Turkish 
Defense Ministry has shelved a range of proposed Israeli projects.
"New deals worth tens and hundreds of millions of dollars offered by 
Israel's defense industries to the Turkish Army, as well as cooperation 
with Turkish colleagues, are being put on hold or cancelled 
altogether," Ben-Yishai said in a report.

The report warned that Israel has lost Turkey as a strategic ally. 
Ben-Yishai said the government and military were seeking a substitute 
for Ankara, a task that would prove difficult.
[In Ankara, Turkish industry sources said Ankara has ruled out awarding 
Israel any major defense contracts. The sources said the Defense 
Industry Undersecretariat was expected to significantly reduce Israel's 
presence after at least one key contract was scheduled to conclude in 
2010.]
In many cases, Ben-Yishai said, Turkey has selected inferior and more 
expensive systems than those offered by Israel. He cited an Italian 
reconnaissance satellite, which was chosen over an offer of Israel's 
Ofeq-class spy satellite.
"Only recently, officials in Ankara preferred to purchase a spy 
satellite from Italy, even though it is inferior in quality and more 
expensive than the Israeli product offered to Turkey," Ben-Yishai said.
"Israel has indeed embarked on a process of seeking substitutes to the 
strategic advantages offered by the relationship with Turkey," 
Ben-Yishai said on Oct. 14. "However, this process is difficult and 
complex, and it is doubtful whether it will compensate us for the lost 
ties with Ankara."
The report said the loss of Turkey as a strategic ally has harmed 
Israel's deterrence, particularly toward Iran and Syria. But Ben-Yishai 
said the Israel Air Force would not be significantly affected by 
Turkey's decision to ban the Jewish state from the Anatolian Eagle 
exercise.
"Turkey is not the only region where the IAF can hold drills simulating 
various combat scenarios — long-range missions, operations in unknown 
territory, and cooperation with foreign forces," the report said.
"Nonetheless, the decision to cancel Israel's participation in NATO's 
aerial drill in Turkey must serve as a glowing warning sign in respect 
to the strategic and economic implications that may follow our growing 
diplomatic isolation."

In message <hbt875$4on$02$1@news.t-online.com>, Krak 
writes
>
>Come TWP - Do I have to wait for ever before you rush this news to us?
>Forget the stuff about internal US anti-spy measures and get on with
>the real stuff. Here for instance - - - -
>
>http://www.worldtribune.com:80/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/me_israel0828_10_22.asp
>
>Report: Israel has lost Turkey as a strategic ally
>TEL AVIV — Turkey was said to have suspended up to $1 billion in
>proposed Israeli defense projects after canceling a major air exercise
>with Israel.


This is more significant than you may realise.

The USA is trying to off load Israel and get it more integrated with
Europe. The US has bases in Turkey and operated out of Turkey against
Iraq and Iran and had a lot of influence in Turkey.

Turkey wants to join the  EU.

So it seem that Turkey is less interested in what the US wants and more
what the EU wants.... The power of the US is slipping visibly.



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On 2009-10-24 11:48:42 +0200, Chris H  said:

> In message <hbt875$4on$02$1@news.t-online.com>, Krak 
> writes
>> 
>> Come TWP - Do I have to wait for ever before you rush this news to us?
>> Forget the stuff about internal US anti-spy measures and get on with
>> the real stuff. Here for instance - - - -
>> 
>> http://www.worldtribune.com:80/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/me_israel0828_10_22.asp
>> 
>> Report: Israel has lost Turkey as a strategic ally
>> TEL AVIV — Turkey was said to have suspended up to $1 billion in
>> proposed Israeli defense projects after canceling a major air exercise
>> with Israel.
> 
> 
> This is more significant than you may realise.

Oh, but I do realise! It represents a major tectonic shift in the 
politics both of the immediate area and of a wider field.


> 
> The USA is trying to off load Israel and get it more integrated with
> Europe. The US has bases in Turkey and operated out of Turkey against
> Iraq and Iran and had a lot of influence in Turkey.
> 
> Turkey wants to join the  EU.

Turkey yearns to join the EU and has done for some considerable time. 
She realises that the EU offers far more than does Israel. The US has 
been urging the EU to accept Turkey as a mamber, sometimes wording 
their suggestions in language that overreaches their influence in 
Europe.


> 
> So it seem that Turkey is less interested in what the US wants and more
> what the EU wants.... The power of the US is slipping visibly.

And as it goes it dumps any hindrances. Israel is a hindrance, it is 
going nowhere. When the President of Iran said, "Israel must be wiped 
off the map", it was no more than a poor translation. In his own 
language his meaning was that soon Israel will exist no more and will 
have no place on the map. Who would diagree with him?