http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6882571.ece#

An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar exploration 
was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with attempting to 
sell classified secrets to Israel.

Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover 
evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland 
yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI officer posing 
as an Israeli agent.

The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with attempting to 
communicate, deliver and transmit classified information. Officials said 
there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.

(more)

On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:

> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6882571.ece#
> 
> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar exploration
> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with attempting to
> sell classified secrets to Israel.
> 
> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI officer posing
> as an Israeli agent.
> 
> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with attempting to
> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information. Officials said
> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
> 
> (more)

So its OT then or what?

"Krak"  wrote in message 
news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6882571.ece#
>>
>> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar exploration
>> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with attempting 
>> to
>> sell classified secrets to Israel.
>>
>> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
>> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
>> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI officer 
>> posing
>> as an Israeli agent.
>>
>> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with attempting 
>> to
>> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information. Officials said
>> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
>>
>> (more)
>
> So its OT then or what?
>

On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the 
security of those installations, and others.  Security breaches at sensitive 
targets allow information out and attackers in.

Why?


TWP

On 2009-10-21 00:42:21 +0200, "TWP"  said:

> 
> "Krak"  wrote in message
> news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
>> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>> 
>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6882571.ece#
>>> 
>>> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar exploration
>>> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with attempting
>>> to
>>> sell classified secrets to Israel.
>>> 
>>> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
>>> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
>>> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI officer
>>> posing
>>> as an Israeli agent.
>>> 
>>> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with attempting
>>> to
>>> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information. Officials said
>>> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
>>> 
>>> (more)
>> 
>> So its OT then or what?
>> 
> 
> On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
> security of those installations, and others.  Security breaches at sensitive
> targets allow information out and attackers in.
> 
> Why?
> 
> 
> TWP

Because it says here "uk.current -events.terrorism". Not "security". 
This guy wasn't even in touch with anyone, it was simply an internal 
security check They found him. No terrorism in view.

On 2009-10-21 01:02:53 +0200, Krak  said:

> On 2009-10-21 00:42:21 +0200, "TWP"  said:
> 
>> 
>> "Krak"  wrote in message
>> news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
>>> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>> 
>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6882571.ece#
>>>> 
>>>> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar exploration
>>>> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with attempting
>>>> to
>>>> sell classified secrets to Israel.
>>>> 
>>>> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
>>>> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
>>>> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI officer
>>>> posing
>>>> as an Israeli agent.
>>>> 
>>>> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with attempting
>>>> to
>>>> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information. Officials said
>>>> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
>>>> 
>>>> (more)
>>> 
>>> So its OT then or what?
>>> 
>> 
>> On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>> security of those installations, and others.  Security breaches at sensitive
>> targets allow information out and attackers in.
>> 
>> Why?
>> 
>> 
>> TWP
> 
> Because it says here "uk.current -events.terrorism". Not "security". 
> This guy wasn't even in touch with anyone, it was simply an internal 
> security check They found him. No terrorism in view.

Unless of course you think that terrorists are about to blow up the 
moon. Me, I think that it would be a definite coup, but remains 
unlikely.

"Krak"  wrote in message 
news:hblfiu$ks2$03$1@news.t-online.com...
> On 2009-10-21 00:42:21 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>
>>
>> "Krak"  wrote in message
>> news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
>>> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>
>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6882571.ece#
>>>>
>>>> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar 
>>>> exploration
>>>> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with 
>>>> attempting
>>>> to
>>>> sell classified secrets to Israel.
>>>>
>>>> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
>>>> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
>>>> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI officer
>>>> posing
>>>> as an Israeli agent.
>>>>
>>>> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with attempting
>>>> to
>>>> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information. Officials 
>>>> said
>>>> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
>>>>
>>>> (more)
>>>
>>> So its OT then or what?
>>>
>>
>> On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>> security of those installations, and others.  Security breaches at 
>> sensitive
>> targets allow information out and attackers in.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>>
>> TWP
>
> Because it says here "uk.current -events.terrorism". Not "security".

So you don't think that terrorism and security have ANY connections to each 
other at all?  Well, it's certainly an interesting point of view.   I'm not 
sure why you're attempting to take in on yourself to police this newsgroup. 
It's not going to be a very rewarding career.


> This guy wasn't even in touch with anyone, it was simply an internal 
> security check They found him. No terrorism in view.

You could make the same argument of someone arrested for conspiracy to 
commit explosions.

I suspect that you have a different objection to my post than it's subject 
line.
Just say what the problem is.  You can tell me.  I'm a doctor.



TWP

TWP wrote:
> "Krak"  wrote in message 
> news:hblfiu$ks2$03$1@news.t-online.com...
>> On 2009-10-21 00:42:21 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>
>>> "Krak"  wrote in message
>>> news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
>>>> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6882571.ece#
>>>>>
>>>>> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar 
>>>>> exploration
>>>>> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with 
>>>>> attempting
>>>>> to
>>>>> sell classified secrets to Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
>>>>> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
>>>>> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI officer
>>>>> posing
>>>>> as an Israeli agent.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with attempting
>>>>> to
>>>>> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information. Officials 
>>>>> said
>>>>> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>> (more)
>>>> So its OT then or what?
>>>>
>>> On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>> security of those installations, and others.  Security breaches at 
>>> sensitive
>>> targets allow information out and attackers in.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>>
>>> TWP
>> Because it says here "uk.current -events.terrorism". Not "security".
> 
> So you don't think that terrorism and security have ANY connections to each 
> other at all?  Well, it's certainly an interesting point of view.   I'm not 
> sure why you're attempting to take in on yourself to police this newsgroup. 
> It's not going to be a very rewarding career.
> 
> 
>> This guy wasn't even in touch with anyone, it was simply an internal 
>> security check They found him. No terrorism in view.
> 
> You could make the same argument of someone arrested for conspiracy to 
> commit explosions.
> 
> I suspect that you have a different objection to my post than it's subject 
> line.
> Just say what the problem is.  You can tell me.  I'm a doctor.
> 
> 
> 
> TWP

This guy is obviously a Chris Hills sock puppet, which is why I ignored 
him as soon as he created him.

"Jesse"  wrote in message 
news:MiADm.9700$f64.2224@newsfe13.iad...
> TWP wrote:
>> "Krak"  wrote in message 
>> news:hblfiu$ks2$03$1@news.t-online.com...
>>> On 2009-10-21 00:42:21 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>
>>>> "Krak"  wrote in message
>>>> news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
>>>>> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6882571.ece#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar 
>>>>>> exploration
>>>>>> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with 
>>>>>> attempting
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> sell classified secrets to Israel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
>>>>>> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
>>>>>> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI officer
>>>>>> posing
>>>>>> as an Israeli agent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with 
>>>>>> attempting
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information. Officials 
>>>>>> said
>>>>>> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (more)
>>>>> So its OT then or what?
>>>>>
>>>> On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>>> security of those installations, and others.  Security breaches at 
>>>> sensitive
>>>> targets allow information out and attackers in.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TWP
>>> Because it says here "uk.current -events.terrorism". Not "security".
>>
>> So you don't think that terrorism and security have ANY connections to 
>> each other at all?  Well, it's certainly an interesting point of view. 
>> I'm not sure why you're attempting to take in on yourself to police this 
>> newsgroup. It's not going to be a very rewarding career.
>>
>>
>>> This guy wasn't even in touch with anyone, it was simply an internal 
>>> security check They found him. No terrorism in view.
>>
>> You could make the same argument of someone arrested for conspiracy to 
>> commit explosions.
>>
>> I suspect that you have a different objection to my post than it's 
>> subject line.
>> Just say what the problem is.  You can tell me.  I'm a doctor.
>>
>>
>>
>> TWP
>
> This guy is obviously a Chris Hills sock puppet, which is why I ignored 
> him as soon as he created him.
>

My suspicion was that the poster was harassing me because I appeared to have 
posted something that accused the Israeli state of spying against the US, 
and his complainst about the post being off-topic were his way of saying 
"yes, well, they didn't really do it did they?!".

I don't really understand the obsession with EVERYTHING that even MAY be 
off-topic having to be slavishly considered, validity carefully pondered and 
duly marked. Usually you can tell by the subject line anyway.  There was a 
time when it was important because people used dialup and time cost money, 
but now it just helps people cut out background noise.  There isn't a lot of 
noise on this group though, so it's of minimal benefit, other than just 
getting people into good posting habits.

I don't understand why something like this can't just be allowed to slip by. 
I personally can't believe someone is actually arguing with me that a 
security issue relating to someone selling US secrets, and who may have been 
doing so for some time - to anyone - isn't relevant to a terrorism group, 
but as I said, I'll leave that to differing points of view!


OTWP

TWP wrote:
> "Jesse"  wrote in message 
> news:MiADm.9700$f64.2224@newsfe13.iad...
>> TWP wrote:
>>> "Krak"  wrote in message 
>>> news:hblfiu$ks2$03$1@news.t-online.com...
>>>> On 2009-10-21 00:42:21 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>
>>>>> "Krak"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
>>>>>> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6882571.ece#
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar 
>>>>>>> exploration
>>>>>>> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with 
>>>>>>> attempting
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> sell classified secrets to Israel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
>>>>>>> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
>>>>>>> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI officer
>>>>>>> posing
>>>>>>> as an Israeli agent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with 
>>>>>>> attempting
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information. Officials 
>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (more)
>>>>>> So its OT then or what?
>>>>>>
>>>>> On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>>>> security of those installations, and others.  Security breaches at 
>>>>> sensitive
>>>>> targets allow information out and attackers in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TWP
>>>> Because it says here "uk.current -events.terrorism". Not "security".
>>> So you don't think that terrorism and security have ANY connections to 
>>> each other at all?  Well, it's certainly an interesting point of view. 
>>> I'm not sure why you're attempting to take in on yourself to police this 
>>> newsgroup. It's not going to be a very rewarding career.
>>>
>>>
>>>> This guy wasn't even in touch with anyone, it was simply an internal 
>>>> security check They found him. No terrorism in view.
>>> You could make the same argument of someone arrested for conspiracy to 
>>> commit explosions.
>>>
>>> I suspect that you have a different objection to my post than it's 
>>> subject line.
>>> Just say what the problem is.  You can tell me.  I'm a doctor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TWP
>> This guy is obviously a Chris Hills sock puppet, which is why I ignored 
>> him as soon as he created him.
>>
> 
> My suspicion was that the poster was harassing me because I appeared to have 
> posted something that accused the Israeli state of spying against the US, 
> and his complainst about the post being off-topic were his way of saying 
> "yes, well, they didn't really do it did they?!".
> 
> I don't really understand the obsession with EVERYTHING that even MAY be 
> off-topic having to be slavishly considered, validity carefully pondered and 
> duly marked. Usually you can tell by the subject line anyway.  There was a 
> time when it was important because people used dialup and time cost money, 
> but now it just helps people cut out background noise.  There isn't a lot of 
> noise on this group though, so it's of minimal benefit, other than just 
> getting people into good posting habits.
> 
> I don't understand why something like this can't just be allowed to slip by. 
> I personally can't believe someone is actually arguing with me that a 
> security issue relating to someone selling US secrets, and who may have been 
> doing so for some time - to anyone - isn't relevant to a terrorism group, 
> but as I said, I'll leave that to differing points of view!
> 
> 
> OTWP

Since I have been here, there have only been 2 people who get their 
knickers in a knot over what they deem as "off topic" posts, Hippy & 
Chris - With Hippy even in the habit of reporting me to my news server 
for off topic & impersonation.
Doesn't do a lick of good, they told me my posting abilities would be 
suspended if they got more reports, I told them I would cancel my 
account within the hour if they did that, and get a new server.
Never heard a peep out of them since.
Unless you post child porn or make personal threats, they don't give a 
flying hoot about some disgruntled idiot trying to get vengeance on one 
of his usenet adversaries by reporting them.

Now this Krak guy washes up and starts the same line, its pretty obvious 
they are in cahoots with eachother, if hes not a bonafide sock puppet.

Obviously, any security implication for the USA is fair game here.
The resident zionist posters here post things non stop that don't 
specifically have to deal with the UK.
If all articles posted had to have had specific UK/terrorism related 
content, this group would have dried up and withered long ago.

As far as this case, doesn't surprise me a bit.
The jews are only behind China and possible Russia in espionage efforts 
against the USA, probably same holds true for you.

In message , TWP
 writes
>
>"Krak"  wrote in message
>news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
>> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>
>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6
>>>882571.ece#
>>>
>>> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar exploration
>>> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with attempting
>>> to
>>> sell classified secrets to Israel.
>>>
>>> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
>>> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
>>> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI officer
>>> posing
>>> as an Israeli agent.
>>>
>>> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with attempting
>>> to
>>> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information. Officials said
>>> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
>>>
>>> (more)
>>
>> So its OT then or what?
>>
>
>On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>security of those installations,

Uk.current-events.terrorism

US != UK so OFF topic.

-- 
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills  Staffs  England     /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

In message <MiADm.9700$f64.2224@newsfe13.iad>, Jesse  writes
>TWP wrote:
>> "Krak"  wrote in message  news:hblfiu$ks2$03$1@news.t-
>>online.com...
>>> On 2009-10-21 00:42:21 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>
>>>> "Krak"  wrote in message
>>>> news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
>>>>> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/artic
>>>>>>le6882571.ece#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar
>>>>>>exploration
>>>>>> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with
>>>>>>attempting
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> sell classified secrets to Israel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
>>>>>> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
>>>>>> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI officer
>>>>>> posing
>>>>>> as an Israeli agent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with attempting
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information.
>>>>>>Officials  said
>>>>>> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (more)
>>>>> So its OT then or what?
>>>>>
>>>> On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>>> security of those installations, and others.  Security breaches at
>>>>sensitive
>>>> targets allow information out and attackers in.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TWP
>>> Because it says here "uk.current -events.terrorism". Not "security".
>>  So you don't think that terrorism and security have ANY connections
>>to each  other at all?  Well, it's certainly an interesting point of
>>view.   I'm not  sure why you're attempting to take in on yourself to
>>police this newsgroup.  It's not going to be a very rewarding career.
>>
>>> This guy wasn't even in touch with anyone, it was simply an internal
>>>security check They found him. No terrorism in view.
>>  You could make the same argument of someone arrested for conspiracy
>>to  commit explosions.
>>  I suspect that you have a different objection to my post than it's
>>subject  line.
>> Just say what the problem is.  You can tell me.  I'm a doctor.
>>    TWP
>
>This guy is obviously a Chris Hills sock puppet, which is why I ignored
>him as soon as he created him.

I only ever post here (or anywhere else) using my own, real email
addresses. I don't use fake or multiple email addresses.

Actually that is not quite true. I have three domains but I post as
Chris Hills from all of them. Never use any other name.

However Jesse as we all know is very paranoid.

-- 
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills  Staffs  England     /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

"Chris H"  wrote in message 
news:QN0SV0HYsu3KFA5V@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...



>>On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>security of those installations,
>
> Uk.current-events.terrorism
>
> US != UK so OFF topic.

The group is uk.current-events.terrorism,   not 
uk.current-events.uk-terrorism.

The group is a UK group concerned with terrorism.


TWP

"TWP"  wrote ...

> I don't really understand the obsession with EVERYTHING that even MAY be 
> off-topic having to be slavishly considered, validity carefully pondered 
> and duly marked.

You'd best take that up with Jesse. He's the one in this group encouraging 
people to complain about off-topic and postings not liked to ISP abuse 
departments while being the prime culprit in off-topic postings and lying 
that it's only others who have a problem with such things.

Jesse has got it into his thick-skull that when someone complained about one 
of his postings it was me. It wasn't; I'd say if it was, but I'm not going 
to waste any more breath on anyone who will simply believe whatever they 
want to believe regardless of truth or evidence. On the other hand, 
coincidental to Jesse's demands that complaints are filed with ISP's, and 
posting the abuse address of my ISP to facilitate that, unsurprisingly a 
complaint was filed against me.

Nothing came of that ( the same with 'being reported to the ADL' for alleged 
anti-Semitism, and suggestions I'd be 'in prison for a very long time by 
next week' and my 'ISP would undoubtedly ban me' because of my views ) but 
I'm on my guard; just like the citizens of Germany had to be careful what 
they said when the snitches of the Hitler Youth were about who were only too 
happy and eager to remove and silence those who didn't sing from their hymn 
sheet.

Of course, those who complain to the authorities shouldn't be surprised if 
they find themselves also being watched by the authorities. They usually 
know it takes two to tango and groundless complaint usually swings suspicion 
onto those complaining.


> I don't understand why something like this can't just be allowed to slip 
> by.

It's certainly more on topic than any of Jesse's racist, white-supremacist 
postings, which clearly are about race, colour and nationality alone.

"Chris H"  wrote ...

> In message <MiADm.9700$f64.2224@newsfe13.iad>, Jesse  writes
>>TWP wrote:
>>> "Krak"  wrote in message  news:hblfiu$ks2$03$1@news.t-
>>>online.com...
>>>> On 2009-10-21 00:42:21 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>
>>>>> "Krak"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
>>>>>> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/artic
>>>>>>>le6882571.ece#
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar
>>>>>>>exploration
>>>>>>> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with
>>>>>>>attempting
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> sell classified secrets to Israel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
>>>>>>> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
>>>>>>> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI 
>>>>>>> officer
>>>>>>> posing
>>>>>>> as an Israeli agent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with 
>>>>>>> attempting
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information.
>>>>>>>Officials  said
>>>>>>> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (more)
>>>>>> So its OT then or what?
>>>>>>
>>>>> On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>>>> security of those installations, and others.  Security breaches at
>>>>>sensitive
>>>>> targets allow information out and attackers in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TWP
>>>> Because it says here "uk.current -events.terrorism". Not "security".
>>>  So you don't think that terrorism and security have ANY connections
>>>to each  other at all?  Well, it's certainly an interesting point of
>>>view.   I'm not  sure why you're attempting to take in on yourself to
>>>police this newsgroup.  It's not going to be a very rewarding career.
>>>
>>>> This guy wasn't even in touch with anyone, it was simply an internal
>>>>security check They found him. No terrorism in view.
>>>  You could make the same argument of someone arrested for conspiracy
>>>to  commit explosions.
>>>  I suspect that you have a different objection to my post than it's
>>>subject  line.
>>> Just say what the problem is.  You can tell me.  I'm a doctor.
>>>    TWP
>>
>>This guy is obviously a Chris Hills sock puppet, which is why I ignored
>>him as soon as he created him.
>
> I only ever post here (or anywhere else) using my own, real email
> addresses. I don't use fake or multiple email addresses.
>
> Actually that is not quite true. I have three domains but I post as
> Chris Hills from all of them. Never use any other name.
>
> However Jesse as we all know is very paranoid.

It's probably just another means for denial of reality. Believe that 
everyone who happens to have the same views must be sock-puppets of another 
and it makes one's fantasy world more comfortable to live in.

In a fantasy world, facts are whatever you choose them to be, regardless of 
reality or evidence. It's almost impossibe to convince someone so willing to 
delude themselves that reality is actually different to how they see it. 
Often not worth the effort, though I expect mental healthcare experts would 
disagree on that.

In message , TWP
 writes
>
>"Jesse"  wrote in message
>news:MiADm.9700$f64.2224@newsfe13.iad...
>> TWP wrote:
>>> "Krak"  wrote in message
>>> news:hblfiu$ks2$03$1@news.t-online.com...
>>>> On 2009-10-21 00:42:21 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>
>>>>> "Krak"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
>>>>>> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/arti
>>>>>>>cle6882571.ece#
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar
>>>>>>> exploration
>>>>>>> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with
>>>>>>> attempting
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> sell classified secrets to Israel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
>>>>>>> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
>>>>>>> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI officer
>>>>>>> posing
>>>>>>> as an Israeli agent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with
>>>>>>> attempting
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information. Officials
>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (more)
>>>>>> So its OT then or what?
>>>>>>
>>>>> On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>>>> security of those installations, and others.  Security breaches at
>>>>> sensitive
>>>>> targets allow information out and attackers in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TWP
>>>> Because it says here "uk.current -events.terrorism". Not "security".
>>>
>>> So you don't think that terrorism and security have ANY connections to
>>> each other at all?  Well, it's certainly an interesting point of view.
>>> I'm not sure why you're attempting to take in on yourself to police this
>>> newsgroup. It's not going to be a very rewarding career.
>>>
>>>
>>>> This guy wasn't even in touch with anyone, it was simply an internal
>>>> security check They found him. No terrorism in view.
>>>
>>> You could make the same argument of someone arrested for conspiracy to
>>> commit explosions.
>>>
>>> I suspect that you have a different objection to my post than it's
>>> subject line.
>>> Just say what the problem is.  You can tell me.  I'm a doctor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TWP
>>
>> This guy is obviously a Chris Hills sock puppet, which is why I ignored
>> him as soon as he created him.
>>
>
>My suspicion was that the poster was harassing me because I appeared to have
>posted something that accused the Israeli state of spying against the US,
>and his complainst about the post being off-topic were his way of saying
>"yes, well, they didn't really do it did they?!".

No, It was just not relevant... try a Us or Israeli current events
group.

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In message <_kCDm.37433$4E.8185@newsfe08.iad>, Jesse  writes
>TWP wrote:
>> "Jesse"  wrote in message  news:MiADm.9700$f64.2224@newsfe
>>13.iad...
>>> TWP wrote:
>>>> "Krak"  wrote in message
>>>>news:hblfiu$ks2$03$1@news.t-online.com...
>>>>> On 2009-10-21 00:42:21 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Krak"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
>>>>>>> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/art
>>>>>>>>icle6882571.ece#
>Chris - With Hippy even in the habit of reporting me to my news server
>for off topic & impersonation.
>Doesn't do a lick of good, they told me my posting abilities would be
>suspended if they got more reports, I told them I would cancel my
>account within the hour if they did that, and get a new server.
>Never heard a peep out of them since.

Then perhaps a few more complaints might get rid of you one way or the
other...

>Unless you post child porn or make personal threats, they don't give a
>flying hoot about some disgruntled idiot trying to get vengeance on one
>of his usenet adversaries by reporting them.

You have made personal threats AFAIR

>Obviously, any security implication for the USA is fair game here.

In uk.current-events.terrorism?  How so?



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In message , TWP
 writes
>
>"Chris H"  wrote in message
>news:QN0SV0HYsu3KFA5V@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>
>
>
>>>On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>>security of those installations,
>>
>> Uk.current-events.terrorism
>>
>> US != UK so OFF topic.
>
>The group is uk.current-events.terrorism,   not
>uk.current-events.uk-terrorism.
>
>The group is a UK group concerned with terrorism.

Not at all it is UK Current events (terrorism)  so it is about UK
current events... specifically terrorism


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"Chris H"  wrote in message 
news:8i3puIPXPz3KFAOk@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
> In message , TWP
>  writes
>>
>>"Chris H"  wrote in message
>>news:QN0SV0HYsu3KFA5V@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>
>>
>>
>>>>On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>>>security of those installations,
>>>
>>> Uk.current-events.terrorism
>>>
>>> US != UK so OFF topic.
>>
>>The group is uk.current-events.terrorism,   not
>>uk.current-events.uk-terrorism.
>>
>>The group is a UK group concerned with terrorism.
>
> Not at all it is UK Current events (terrorism)  so it is about UK
> current events... specifically terrorism
>

Tell you what.  I'll arm-wrestle you for it.   The winner gets to be right.

TWP

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> "TWP"  wrote ...
> 
>> I don't really understand the obsession with EVERYTHING that even MAY be 
>> off-topic having to be slavishly considered, validity carefully pondered 
>> and duly marked.
> 
> You'd best take that up with Jesse. He's the one in this group encouraging 
> people to complain about off-topic and postings not liked to ISP abuse 
> departments while being the prime culprit in off-topic postings and lying 
> that it's only others who have a problem with such things.

Liar.
I reported your nappy headed ass, very true - For threatening to kill 
public men, not trivial off topic reports like you make.
Do it again, I'll report you again, and its bound to land on someones 
desk who will take it seriously, some day.

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> "Chris H"  wrote ...
> 
>> In message <MiADm.9700$f64.2224@newsfe13.iad>, Jesse  writes
>>> TWP wrote:
>>>> "Krak"  wrote in message  news:hblfiu$ks2$03$1@news.t-
>>>> online.com...
>>>>> On 2009-10-21 00:42:21 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Krak"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hbl9dn$ok7$02$2@news.t-online.com...
>>>>>>> On 2009-10-20 19:04:31 +0200, "TWP"  said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/artic
>>>>>>>> le6882571.ece#
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An American scientist who worked on the cutting edge of lunar
>>>>>>>> exploration
>>>>>>>> was due to appear in a Washington courtroom today charged with
>>>>>>>> attempting
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> sell classified secrets to Israel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stewart Nozette, 52, a former White House expert who helped discover
>>>>>>>> evidence of water on the Moon, was arrested at his home in Maryland
>>>>>>>> yesterday after a sting operation involving an undercover FBI 
>>>>>>>> officer
>>>>>>>> posing
>>>>>>>> as an Israeli agent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Justice Department said that Mr Nozette was charged with 
>>>>>>>> attempting
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> communicate, deliver and transmit classified information.
>>>>>>>> Officials  said
>>>>>>>> there was no wrongdoing on the part of Israel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (more)
>>>>>>> So its OT then or what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>>>>> security of those installations, and others.  Security breaches at
>>>>>> sensitive
>>>>>> targets allow information out and attackers in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TWP
>>>>> Because it says here "uk.current -events.terrorism". Not "security".
>>>>  So you don't think that terrorism and security have ANY connections
>>>> to each  other at all?  Well, it's certainly an interesting point of
>>>> view.   I'm not  sure why you're attempting to take in on yourself to
>>>> police this newsgroup.  It's not going to be a very rewarding career.
>>>>
>>>>> This guy wasn't even in touch with anyone, it was simply an internal
>>>>> security check They found him. No terrorism in view.
>>>>  You could make the same argument of someone arrested for conspiracy
>>>> to  commit explosions.
>>>>  I suspect that you have a different objection to my post than it's
>>>> subject  line.
>>>> Just say what the problem is.  You can tell me.  I'm a doctor.
>>>>    TWP
>>> This guy is obviously a Chris Hills sock puppet, which is why I ignored
>>> him as soon as he created him.
>> I only ever post here (or anywhere else) using my own, real email
>> addresses. I don't use fake or multiple email addresses.
>>
>> Actually that is not quite true. I have three domains but I post as
>> Chris Hills from all of them. Never use any other name.
>>
>> However Jesse as we all know is very paranoid.
> 
> It's probably just another means for denial of reality. Believe that 
> everyone who happens to have the same views must be sock-puppets of another 
> and it makes one's fantasy world more comfortable to live in.

Mmm hmmm.
Just a big coincidence that you 3, and you 3 alone, whine about off 
topic posts ,,, Chris & Krak specifically complaining to TWP within the 
past couple weeks about off topic posts.
Just a chance that you and Wobin stopped replying to my posts at the 
same time - Not that I care, mind you.
It must get tiring getting the shit slapped out of you so often, but it 
goes to show you chaps are coordinating your childish tactics in this group.


> In a fantasy world, facts are whatever you choose them to be, regardless of 
> reality or evidence. It's almost impossibe to convince someone so willing to 
> delude themselves that reality is actually different to how they see it. 
> Often not worth the effort, though I expect mental healthcare experts would 
> disagree on that. 

Lol, talk about a fantasy world.
Hippy & Chris, the guardians of pure, unadulterated truth !
The decider's of reality & evidence !
Anyone who doesn't fall in line with their oft repeated amateur babble 
is deluded ,,, And if only global players like Hillary Clinton would 
read this newsgroup and study your glorious insights, they would know 
exactly how to handle Iran, along with every other world problem !

You are about the most vainglorious, deluded nut job I have ever run 
across on the internet ,,, But you already knew that.

Chris H  wrote in 
news:8i3puIPXPz3KFAOk@phaedsys.demon.co.uk:

> In message , TWP
>  writes
>>
>>"Chris H"  wrote in message
>>news:QN0SV0HYsu3KFA5V@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>
>>
>>
>>>>On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>>>security of those installations,
>>>
>>> Uk.current-events.terrorism
>>>
>>> US != UK so OFF topic.
>>
>>The group is uk.current-events.terrorism,   not
>>uk.current-events.uk-terrorism.
>>
>>The group is a UK group concerned with terrorism.
> 
> Not at all it is UK Current events (terrorism)  so it is about UK
> current events... specifically terrorism

Then why not call out your butt buddy bin hippy for his post praising the 
efforts of Obongo to let gays serve in the US military ?
Fuckin half assed hypocrite is all that you are, of course you'll never say 
anything to your love interest, even for something as brazenly off topic like 
fags in the US ARMY

Hippy Sez:

"Sing if you're glad to be ... in the US forces"

"Something almost concrete worth applauding from Obama, but no details on 
when the planned change will actually come into effect ..."

http://tinyurl.com/yfa4ffc

"Jesse"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9CABC2FC81707ewrfdgrstnetaakeanfk@74.209.136.90...


You know, one of the really fun ironies about all this is that nearly every 
post actually marked "OT" in the last month was marked "OT" by me! :-)  If 
anyone around here is actually taking tagging messages seriously it's me! 
I'm getting shit for not doing something I actually do more than anyone, yet 
I don't give anyone any shit for NOT tagging!  What makes sense about that?! 
:-)

Maybe it'll all make more sense if I'm full of caffeine...


TeaWP

"TWP"  wrote in
news:y8-dnYsGE5MeAELXnZ2dnUVZ8mqdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk: 

> 
> "Jesse"  wrote in message 
> news:Xns9CABC2FC81707ewrfdgrstnetaakeanfk@74.209.136.90...
> 
> 
> You know, one of the really fun ironies about all this is that nearly
> every post actually marked "OT" in the last month was marked "OT" by me!
> :-)  If anyone around here is actually taking tagging messages seriously
> it's me! I'm getting shit for not doing something I actually do more
> than anyone, yet I don't give anyone any shit for NOT tagging!  What
> makes sense about that?! 
>:-)
> 
> Maybe it'll all make more sense if I'm full of caffeine...
> 
> 
> TeaWP


Its pretty obvious that they deem an independant, objective mind from a 
fellow European as a less that desirable trait, and are trying to pick you 
apart to make you fall in line.

As the egotistical Hippy just laughably said, he and he only knows the true 
facts & reality, and anyone who does not perfectly agree is just deluded, 
living in a fantasy world.
You are up against some true crackpots TWP, and they will try to run 
roughshod over anyone who does not toe their corrupted line.
I don't see you as the guy who'll back down from their sniveling, bullying 
tactics, which is why you are about the only one here that I have any measure 
of respect for.

I realize that may be a dubious endorsement but, like you, I call em as I see 
them.

In message , Jesse
 writes
>Chris H  wrote in
>news:8i3puIPXPz3KFAOk@phaedsys.demon.co.uk:
>
>> In message , TWP
>>  writes
>>>
>>>"Chris H"  wrote in message
>>>news:QN0SV0HYsu3KFA5V@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>>>>security of those installations,
>>>>
>>>> Uk.current-events.terrorism
>>>>
>>>> US != UK so OFF topic.
>>>
>>>The group is uk.current-events.terrorism,   not
>>>uk.current-events.uk-terrorism.
>>>
>>>The group is a UK group concerned with terrorism.
>>
>> Not at all it is UK Current events (terrorism)  so it is about UK
>> current events... specifically terrorism
>
>Then why not call out your butt buddy bin hippy for his post praising the
>efforts of Obongo to let gays serve in the US military ?
>Fuckin half assed hypocrite is all that you are, of course you'll never say
>anything to your love interest, even for something as brazenly off topic like
>fags in the US ARMY
>
>Hippy Sez:
>
>"Sing if you're glad to be ... in the US forces"

I think it was a major mistake by Obama to change the policy. They
should not let Gays in the US forces.

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"Jesse"  wrote in message news:s0JDm.2953$OY2.255@newsfe22.iad...

> The Happy Hippy wrote:
>> "TWP"  wrote ...
>>
>>> I don't really understand the obsession with EVERYTHING that even MAY be 
>>> off-topic having to be slavishly considered, validity carefully pondered 
>>> and duly marked.
>>
>> You'd best take that up with Jesse. He's the one in this group 
>> encouraging people to complain about off-topic and postings not liked to 
>> ISP abuse departments while being the prime culprit in off-topic postings 
>> and lying that it's only others who have a problem with such things.
>
> Liar.

Really ? Hung again by your own petard ...

<quote>

I would recommend that anyone, on any side of the political/sociological 
debate, report him to his ISP for his blatant spam and off topic, flame 
inciting drivel.

</quote>

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.current-events.terrorism/browse_thread/thread/a0ee9aafb1a525ee/ca9f838e7284b0c3?hl=en&q=jesse+RLM+off+topic#ca9f838e7284b0c3

"The Happy Hippy"  wrote in
news:dlXDm.328$5w5.243@text.news.virginmedia.com: 

[Snips] 
> Really ? Hung again by your own petard ...

Hoist.

All the best,

Mr. Picky
-- 
In what method shall we implement the matrix of this government display 
picnic?
-- Bill Bailey

"Jesse"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9CABEBDF0DAD0ewrfdgrstnetaakeanfk@74.209.136.100...


> Its pretty obvious that they deem an independant, objective mind from a
> fellow European

Please don't call me that! :-)


TWP

On 2009-10-22 09:41:07 +0200, Chris H  said:

> In message , Jesse
>  writes
>> Chris H  wrote in
>> news:8i3puIPXPz3KFAOk@phaedsys.demon.co.uk:
>> 
>>> In message , TWP
>>>  writes
>>>> 
>>>> "Chris H"  wrote in message
>>>> news:QN0SV0HYsu3KFA5V@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly to the
>>>>>> security of those installations,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Uk.current-events.terrorism
>>>>> 
>>>>> US != UK so OFF topic.
>>>> 
>>>> The group is uk.current-events.terrorism,   not
>>>> uk.current-events.uk-terrorism.
>>>> 
>>>> The group is a UK group concerned with terrorism.
>>> 
>>> Not at all it is UK Current events (terrorism)  so it is about UK
>>> current events... specifically terrorism
>> 
>> Then why not call out your butt buddy bin hippy for his post praising the
>> efforts of Obongo to let gays serve in the US military ?
>> Fuckin half assed hypocrite is all that you are, of course you'll never say
>> anything to your love interest, even for something as brazenly off topic like
>> fags in the US ARMY
>> 
>> Hippy Sez:
>> 
>> "Sing if you're glad to be ... in the US forces"
> 
> I think it was a major mistake by Obama to change the policy. They
> should not let Gays in the US forces.

Well I have to disagree. I think that they should. But only the 
good-looking ones of course.

In message <hbt768$fng$03$1@news.t-online.com>, Krak 
writes
>On 2009-10-22 09:41:07 +0200, Chris H  said:
>
>> In message , Jesse
>>  writes
>>> Chris H  wrote in
>>> news:8i3puIPXPz3KFAOk@phaedsys.demon.co.uk:
>>>
>>>> In message , TWP
>>>>  writes
>>>>>  "Chris H"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:QN0SV0HYsu3KFA5V@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On topic.  Attempts to spy on US installations relate directly
>>>>>>>to the
>>>>>>> security of those installations,
>>>>>>  Uk.current-events.terrorism
>>>>>>  US != UK so OFF topic.
>>>>>  The group is uk.current-events.terrorism,   not
>>>>> uk.current-events.uk-terrorism.
>>>>>  The group is a UK group concerned with terrorism.
>>>>  Not at all it is UK Current events (terrorism)  so it is about UK
>>>> current events... specifically terrorism
>>>  Then why not call out your butt buddy bin hippy for his post
>>>praising the
>>> efforts of Obongo to let gays serve in the US military ?
>>> Fuckin half assed hypocrite is all that you are, of course you'll never say
>>> anything to your love interest, even for something as brazenly off
>>>topic like
>>> fags in the US ARMY
>>>  Hippy Sez:
>>>  "Sing if you're glad to be ... in the US forces"
>>  I think it was a major mistake by Obama to change the policy. They
>> should not let Gays in the US forces.
>
>Well I have to disagree. I think that they should. But only the good-
>looking ones of course.

The policy of don't ask don't tell should be continued and Gays
prohibited from serving openly in the US Military.


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