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date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:07:13 GMT,
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Proving the negative - WMD redux ?
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/27/us.iran/
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U.S. to Iran: Prove your nuclear program is peaceful
In an interview broadcast Sunday on the CBS program "Face the Nation,"
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called for the strongest possible
sanctions if Iran can't prove a peaceful intent for the newly disclosed
facility and its entire nuclear program.
"It would have been disclosed if it were for peaceful purposes," Clinton
said, adding: "The Iranians keep insisting no, no, that's for peaceful
purposes. That's fine. Prove it. Don't assert it. Prove it."
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Not sure how anyone proves anything is for peaceful purpose; it would be
interesting to pose the same challenge to the US itself and every other
state known to hold nukes.
Presumably, by Clinton's same argument, if Israel has nukes - which is
widely believed to be so - then they would have been disclosed if held for
peaceful purpose ?
Very likely a point Tehran will seize upon and it could ultimately prove to
be a case of Washington putting foot in mouth, more ammo for those who say
American Administrations don't know how to do diplomacy but can be experts
at shooting themselves in the foot.
date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:07:13 GMT
author: The Happy Hippy
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Re: Proving the negative - WMD redux ?
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:07:13 +0100, The Happy Hippy
wrote:
> U.S. to Iran: Prove your nuclear program is peaceful
http://garybaumgarten.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-sudden-urgent-revelation-of-irans.html
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Yesterday, after President Obama, French President Sarkozy and British
Prime Minister Gordon Brown gave statements to reporters at the G20 Summit
in Pittsburgh about newly revealed evidence that Iran had a second,
undeclared, nuclear facility, I asked some tough questions both here and
on News Talk Online on Paltalk.com.
I wanted to know why, if intelligence agencies were aware of this second
program for two years now, they waited until now to make it public. And
why the International Atomic Energy Agency wasn't made aware of it so it
could demand access.
A reporter asked Obama the same question directly during his afternoon
news conference at the G20, and the president responded that they wanted
to be perfectly certain the intel was correct before announcing it to the
world.
But the McClatchy newspapers, in an analysis today, offers another
possible explanation. The announcement was purposely timed, the piece
says, to coincide with the United Nations Security Council meeting on
non-proliferation that was chaired by Obama and with the G20.
It also, the analysis suggests, coincides with the October 1st meeting
between the permanent members of the Security Council and Germany with
Iran to discuss that nation's continued non-compliance.
In other words, the analysis suggests, it was not, as I had argued, a
failing of the world leaders to disclose this threat before, but part of a
brilliantly calculated strategy to force Iran's compliance with the
Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, meanwhile, denies that his country hid
anything, protesting to CNN's Larry King that the second plant had been
dutifully reported to the IAEA.
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Facts are sacred ... but comment is free.
date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:30:54 GMT
author: Robin T Cox
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Re: Proving the negative - WMD redux ?
"Robin T Cox" wrote ...
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:07:13 +0100, The Happy Hippy
> wrote:
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>> U.S. to Iran: Prove your nuclear program is peaceful
>
> http://garybaumgarten.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-sudden-urgent-revelation-of-irans.html
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> Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, meanwhile, denies that his country hid
> anything, protesting to CNN's Larry King that the second plant had been
> dutifully reported to the IAEA.
So perhaps the onus is on the IAEA to prove it did not know about the
facility ;-)
Obama said, "Iran is breaking rules that all nations must follow"; I wonder
what those specific rules are and which other countries don't follow them ?
date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:15:00 GMT
author: The Happy Hippy
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