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date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:23:37 GMT,    group: uk.current-events.terrorism        back       
Drone strike in N. Waziristan 2009.09.24   
The target was a house adjacent to one of the Haqqani network's madrassas.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/11-suspected-drone-strike-kills-three-in-n-waziristan--il--01
date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:23:37 GMT   author:   Larry Hammick

Re: Drone strike in N. Waziristan 2009.09.24   
"Larry Hammick"  wrote ...

> The target was a house adjacent to one of the Haqqani network's madrassas.
> http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/11-suspected-drone-strike-kills-three-in-n-waziristan--il--01

"The identities of the dead were not known".

So perhaps another three more innocents dead ? Maybe children ? Who knows ? 
Who cares ?

The tragedy is that most people simply don't care because it doesn't affect 
them. Until those so fed up with the slaughter become radicalised and turn 
to terrorism as a tool of retaliation.

Nearly every terrorist I've heard justify their action on the west has put 
it down to such slaughter. We'd not stand for it if the American military 
were doing the same to our countres. Nor would America stand for it if 
another country were doing the same to them. Why should they be any 
different ?

It's easy to play armchair-commander, not care if the target were 
legitimate, not care who dies. Easy to lose sight of morality and what's 
right and what's wrong. Easy to not see the hatred and desire for revenge we 
are breeding.
date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:28:09 GMT   author:   The Happy Hippy

Re: Drone strike in N. Waziristan 2009.09.24   
/The News/, Pakistan:

0330 PST, Friday, September 25, 2009

US drone strike claims 10 in NWA

MIRANSHAH: A US drone attack on Thursday killed 10 militants from a network 
fighting Western troops in Afghanistan at their compound in the tribal belt, 
officials said.
The strike from a suspected US spy plane was the fourth this month in North 
Waziristan, where militants linked to Taliban and Al-Qaeda who are fighting 
against 100,000 US and NATO troops in Afghanistan are said to be hiding.
"Ten dead bodies were recovered from the debris of the house and two 
militants were wounded in the attack," a Pakistani security official told 
media on condition of anonymity because they were not authorised to speak 
publicly.
Another official and residents confirmed the same toll, but one official in 
the semi-autonomous North Waziristan district said seven people were killed.
"The target was a compound of Haqqani's men. According to our reports all of 
the dead belong to the Haqqani network," the official said.
The Haqqani network is a powerful group based in northwest Pakistan closely 
linked to Al-Qaeda and known for its ruthless and sophisticated attacks, 
including an assassination attempt on Afghan President Hamid Karzai in 2008. 
"One missile fired by a US drone hit the house of Afghan national Ahmad 
Afghani," said a security official.
There were unconfirmed reports that one the sons of former Soviet resistance 
commander in Afghanistan, Jalaluddin Haqqani, is called Ahmad.
"We are investigating whether it was the son or not," a security official 
told media after the attack in Dandy Darpa Khel area, five kilometres (three 
miles) northwest of Miranshah in the North Waziristan tribal district.
The targeted building acted as an office where militants would come to 
receive orders and rest between bouts of fighting across the border in 
Afghanistan, local residents and intelligence officials said.
It was not clear whether Ahmad Afghani was present at the time of the 
attack. Five other people were injured but the identities of the casualties 
were not clear given the remote location and late hour of the attack.
date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:20:48 GMT   author:   Larry Hammick

Re: Drone strike in N. Waziristan 2009.09.24   
Dawn Media:

MIRANSHAH: Eight people were killed and two others injured when two missiles 
fired by a drone hit the Markaz of Afghan commander Ahmad Haqqani, son of 
Jalaluddin Haqqani, in Dandi Derpakhel area of North Waziristan on Thursday 
night.
The area is a stronghold of the Taliban and Jalaluddin Haqqani is believed 
to be living here.Jalaluddin Haqqani, it may be mentioned, was a minister in 
the Taliban government of Afghanistan.
date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:46:38 GMT   author:   Larry Hammick

Re: Drone strike in N. Waziristan 2009.09.24   
In message <dgTum.98054$OO7.83335@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The Happy
Hippy  writes
>
>"Larry Hammick"  wrote ...
>
>> The target was a house adjacent to one of the Haqqani network's madrassas.
>> http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pa
>>kistan/11-suspected-drone-strike-kills-three-in-n-waziristan--il--01
>
>"The identities of the dead were not known".
>
>So perhaps another three more innocents dead ? Maybe children ? Who knows ?
>Who cares ?

I do bnecause it has probably generated half a dozen more terrorists who
hate the USA (and by implication the UK) who are prepared to bomb and
kill. Can you blame them?

>The tragedy is that most people simply don't care because it doesn't affect
>them. Until those so fed up with the slaughter become radicalised and turn
>to terrorism as a tool of retaliation.

Which is what 9/11 was


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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills  Staffs  England     /\/\/\/\/
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date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:36:57 +0100   author:   Chris H

Re: Drone strike in N. Waziristan 2009.09.24   
"Chris H"  wrote ...

> In message <dgTum.98054$OO7.83335@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The Happy
> Hippy  writes
>>
>>"Larry Hammick"  wrote ...
>>
>>> The target was a house adjacent to one of the Haqqani network's 
>>> madrassas.
>>> http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pa
>>>kistan/11-suspected-drone-strike-kills-three-in-n-waziristan--il--01
>>
>>"The identities of the dead were not known".
>>
>>So perhaps another three more innocents dead ? Maybe children ? Who knows 
>>?
>>Who cares ?
>
> I do bnecause it has probably generated half a dozen more terrorists who
> hate the USA (and by implication the UK) who are prepared to bomb and
> kill. Can you blame them?

I'm quite sure that almost anyone who is a victim of unprovoked attack and 
their relatives and friends would feel pangs for revenge and retaliation, 
and more so if their complaints on such were casually dismissed as 
'justified and right'.

Killing innocent people can and does create numerous enemies.


>>The tragedy is that most people simply don't care because it doesn't 
>>affect
>>them. Until those so fed up with the slaughter become radicalised and turn
>>to terrorism as a tool of retaliation.
>
> Which is what 9/11 was

It's relatively easy to see much of the 'driven by ideology / religion' 
claims tagged on to terrorists as a way to avoid facing up to the reality 
that their action is retaliatory and revengeful in nature. It's easier to 
call them irrational, dangerous, nutters than accept 'we' might have played 
a significant part in bringing about what they do. It's easier to call 
others 'wrong' than ourselves.
date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:38:21 GMT   author:   The Happy Hippy

Re: Drone strike in N. Waziristan 2009.09.24   
Pakistan is putting some effort into identifying all the 10 killed in this 
attack. Sirajuddin Haqqani is the de facto head of the network that was 
targeted. His father was a "cabinet minister" in the Saudi-backed Taliban 
regime of Afghanistan before NATO blew it to hell.
date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:15:21 GMT   author:   Larry Hammick

Re: Drone strike in N. Waziristan 2009.09.24   
In message <JJgwm.45765$Db2.22298@edtnps83>, Larry Hammick
 writes
>Pakistan is putting some effort into identifying all the 10 killed in this
>attack.

Now that says it all! The US is murdering civilians and identifying them
later...

If any civilians are killed the drone operators should be on a murder
charge.
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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills  Staffs  England     /\/\/\/\/
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date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:25:29 +0100   author:   Chris H

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