http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYY-ZvXIsy8

"Larry Hammick"  wrote ...

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYY-ZvXIsy8

I'm sure you enjoyed that, seeing harm come to someone, but I guess he was a
'bad guy' and did harm to others so that's justified in your book. No need
to worry that the technique used may have killed the suspect, that there may
have been better ways to stop him escaping without risking his death.

And of course, no need to worry that what makes us better than the criminals
is that we can do it right, maintain the moral high ground.

When we step into the gutter, behave as the criminals do, have no higher
standards of ethics and morality, adopt a not caring about doing harm to
others attitude, we become no better than they are. We actually legitimise
the manner in which criminals work, and make it harder to condemn them when
we are exactly the same as they are.

The only thing which separates us then is the flawed, morally relativistic
view that our harm caused is okay where as their harm caused is bad.

It seems to me, rather than saying we should demand criminals to live up to
our accepted standards of behaviour, you are saying  we should step down to
their level, society and 'civilisation' should sink to the lowest common
denominator, rather than raise itself above it.

Sorry, but I disagree. That seems to be what the radical terrorists want to
achieve, the defeat of western and Christian values which sets us apart from
them. They want to drag us into the gutter, and it seems they have scored a
victory with respect to yourself.

When it comes to criminality there is nothing wrong with wanting to see it
vanquished, but when it turns to taking joy and delight in wanting harm and
hurt come to criminals, and suggesting that's how it should be, it's perhaps
time to start looking inwards and considering what you have become.

In message <MKMqm.78432$OO7.20483@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The Happy
Hippy  writes
>
>"Larry Hammick"  wrote ...
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYY-ZvXIsy8
>
>I'm sure you enjoyed that, seeing harm come to someone, but I guess he was a
>'bad guy' and did harm to others so that's justified in your book. No need
>to worry that the technique used may have killed the suspect, that there may
>have been better ways to stop him escaping without risking his death.
>
>And of course, no need to worry that what makes us better than the criminals
>is that we can do it right, maintain the moral high ground.
>
>When we step into the gutter, behave as the criminals do, have no higher
>standards of ethics and morality, adopt a not caring about doing harm to
>others attitude, we become no better than they are. We actually legitimise
>the manner in which criminals work, and make it harder to condemn them when
>we are exactly the same as they are.


Terrorism 101

1 Start poking the authorities with a pointed stick and get them to
react.

2 Keep doing it so they over react.

3 Keep doing "minor" things so the authorities keep over reacting and
turning it to a police state or restricting the rights of ordinary
citizens.

This moves the "floating voters" away from the authorities.  They may
not have been for your cause but now they are now not happy with the
authorities and more prepared to listen to your cause.

4 With the new friends and recruits push things that cause the
authorities to react with tighter controls and removing public freedoms.

The Heavy handed approach by authorities always backfires long term with
asynchronous warfare. See Iraq and Afghanistan

The US of Drones and UAV's for bombing *suspects* and civilians it one
of the most counter productive methods possible.  For every dead
civilian you create two or three new terrorists.

Due to modern news broadcast in  the free world and the dispersal of
people the new terrorists can and are generated in other places. In the
past if you killed civilians in a village the new terrorists came from
that village.

Now if you kill civilians in a village those affected are all around the
world.  Not as easy to stop.

Eventually the US will be at war with everyone unless Obama can reverse
the stupid mentality in the US military.





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