Hats off to "Gazanians" for refusing to saddle their budding radical 
children with this mish-mash of history, half truths, lies & pure 
fantasy that is the "Holocaust™"

````````````````````````````````


UN caught in Gaza dispute over study of Holocaust
AP


By KARIN LAUB, Associated Press Writer Karin Laub, Associated Press 
Writer – Tue Sep 8, 5:15 pm ET

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Gaza students won't learn about the Holocaust 
this year.

Angry protests by Palestinians have disrupted tentative plans to 
introduce information about the Nazi genocide of 6 million Jews into the 
curriculum in U.N. schools.

The dispute touches on one of the largest psychological barriers 
dividing Arabs and Jews: Arabs see the Holocaust as an excuse for 
Israel's creation, and Jews see Arab Holocaust denial as a rejection of 
Israel's right to exist.

The uproar has left the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, which runs 221 of 
more than 600 primary and secondary schools in Gaza, caught between the 
territory's Hamas leaders — some of them ardent Holocaust deniers — and 
outraged Jewish groups.

Some in Hamas accused the U.N. agency of trying to generate sympathy for 
Israel and conspiring against the Palestinians. In turn, Jewish 
activists demanded to know why the subject of the genocide wasn't part 
of the human rights syllabus in the first place.

"Now we are being bashed from all quarters," the agency's chief in Gaza, 
John Ging, told The Associated Press.

The controversy erupted last week, after an umbrella group for 
Palestinian refugees in Gaza protested what it said were plans to teach 
eighth-graders in U.N. schools about the Holocaust.

U.N. officials denied they had such intentions for this school year and 
insisted they weren't scaling back in response to public pressure.

Regional agency chief Karen Abu Zayd suggested information about the 
Holocaust could be included in later years, as part of lessons about the 
1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. UNWRA's Web site mentions 
general plans to include the Holocaust in lessons on the "historical 
context that gave rise to" that declaration.

Abu Zayd said the UNWRA field office in Gaza is still developing the 
curriculum, which would be presented to parents and others in the 
community before it is introduced. "It is very much a draft," she said.

A U.N. employee involved in shaping the curriculum, who was not 
authorized to discuss the subject and spoke on condition of anonymity, 
said that as recently as three months ago, the lessons had been under 
consideration for the 2009-10 human rights course.

U.N. officials said their schools in Gaza already have the most detailed 
and advanced human rights courses, and teaching the Holocaust would 
break new ground.

The subject is not taught in U.N.-run schools for Palestinian refugees 
in the West Bank, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. Nor is it taught in 
Palestinian government schools in the West Bank or Gaza.

The backlash in Gaza has highlighted why.

Holocaust denial is still common in the Palestinian territories, with 
many apparently fearful that acknowledging the genocide would diminish 
recognition of their suffering or claims to an independent state. Such 
sentiments seem particularly strong among Gazans, who have had only 
limited access to the outside world since 2007, when Israel and Egypt 
imposed a border blockade in response to the violent Hamas takeover of 
the territory.

Palestinians complain that Israel refuses to recognize their hardship, 
including the expulsion and exile of hundreds of thousands during the 
war that followed Israel's creation in 1948, which Palestinians refer to 
as the "naqba," or "catastrophe." Israel's education minister, Gideon 
Saar, decided this summer to delete references to the word "naqba" from 
textbooks for Arab third-graders in Israel, though he said teachers can 
discuss tragedies that befell the Palestinians.

Jihad Zakarneh, the deputy education minister in the West Bank, the 
territory run by Palestinian moderates, said teaching Palestinian 
children about the Holocaust has to wait until there is a peace 
agreement with Israel.

"When Israel ends its occupation of our land and our people and gives us 
our right of independence and self-determination, then we discuss this 
issue with them," he said.

The Gaza dispute over the syllabus also signaled growing tensions 
between Hamas and UNRWA, the largest independent organization in Gaza. 
Hamas has been trying to cement control over Gaza, while the U.N. agency 
is increasingly emerging as a shadow government, providing services to 
some 1 million of Gaza's 1.4 million people.

Ging said he believes the dispute over the syllabus has more to do with 
attempts by Hamas to meddle in the U.N. organization's affairs than with 
the Holocaust.

The U.N. schools in Gaza are required to follow the Palestinian 
curriculum but are allowed to make some changes, Ging said. The schools 
have added enrichment lessons on human rights since 2002, initially for 
elementary school students.

Ging said he feels any human rights course is incomplete without 
discussing the Holocaust. But, he said, it would exceed UNWRA's mandate 
to write texts about the Holocaust and the Palestinian uprooting, 
subjects he said are better left to Israelis and Palestinians as part of 
future peace efforts.

Critics of the U.N. said the events of the Holocaust cannot be omitted 
from a human rights curriculum.

"By disconnecting the Holocaust from human rights, (the U.N. agency) is 
highlighting the anti-Semitic bias that pervades the U.N. system," 
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Republican congresswoman from Florida, said in a 
statement.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a leading Jewish advocacy group and tracker 
of Nazi war criminals, called for the dismissal of Abu Zayd and Ging and 
demanded the U.S. and Canada suspend funding for the U.N. agency — which 
provides services for Palestinian refugees around the Mideast — until 
the issue is sorted out.

The U.S. was the second-largest donor to the agency in 2008, giving it 
nearly $96 million of its $541.8 million budget. The European Commission 
was the largest donor, providing close to $140 million, according to 
U.N. figures.

Marie Okabe, a U.N. spokeswoman in New York, said the world body stands 
by Ging and Abu Zayd. "They are ably continuing their jobs and carrying 
the mandate to bring assistance to those in desperate need in the West 
Bank and Gaza," she said. "There is no truth" to accusations that "they 
are denying the Holocaust."

The criticism has been just as strong from the other side.

A Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri, said the U.N. agency must stick to 
its mandate and not venture into politics.

Hamas rejects any attempt to introduce the Holocaust into the curriculum 
as "a kind of normalization with Israel and an attempt to bridge the 
psychological gap between Israel and the Palestinians," he said.

The Palestinian refugee group that first raised the proposed Holocaust 
lesson plans called the Nazis' attempt to eradicate European Jewry "a 
lie made up by the Zionists."

http://tinyurl.com/lx7jwo

Jesse a écrit :
> Hats off to "Gazanians" for refusing to saddle their budding radical 
> children with this mish-mash of history, half truths, lies & pure 
> fantasy that is the "Holocaust?"
> 
> ````````````````````````````````
> 
> 
> UN caught in Gaza dispute over study of Holocaust
> AP
> 
> 
> By KARIN LAUB, Associated Press Writer Karin Laub, Associated Press 
> Writer ? Tue Sep 8, 5:15 pm ET
> 
> GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip ? Gaza students won't learn about the Holocaust 
> this year.
> 
> Angry protests by Palestinians have disrupted tentative plans to 
> introduce information about the Nazi genocide of 6 million Jews into the 
> curriculum in U.N. schools.
> 
> The dispute touches on one of the largest psychological barriers 
> dividing Arabs and Jews: Arabs see the Holocaust as an excuse for 
> Israel's creation, and Jews see Arab Holocaust denial as a rejection of 
> Israel's right to exist.
> 
> The uproar has left the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, which runs 221 of 
> more than 600 primary and secondary schools in Gaza, caught between the 
> territory's Hamas leaders ? some of them ardent Holocaust deniers ?and > outraged Jewish groups.
> 
> Some in Hamas accused the U.N. agency of trying to generate sympathy for 
> Israel and conspiring against the Palestinians. In turn, Jewish 
> activists demanded to know why the subject of the genocide wasn't part > of the human rights syllabus in the first place.
> 
> "Now we are being bashed from all quarters," the agency's chief in Gaza, 
> John Ging, told The Associated Press.
> 
> The controversy erupted last week, after an umbrella group for 
> Palestinian refugees in Gaza protested what it said were plans to teach 
> eighth-graders in U.N. schools about the Holocaust.
> 
> U.N. officials denied they had such intentions for this school year and 
> insisted they weren't scaling back in response to public pressure.
> 
> Regional agency chief Karen Abu Zayd suggested information about the 
> Holocaust could be included in later years, as part of lessons about the 
> 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. UNWRA's Web site mentions 
> general plans to include the Holocaust in lessons on the "historical 
> context that gave rise to" that declaration.
> 
> Abu Zayd said the UNWRA field office in Gaza is still developing the 
> curriculum, which would be presented to parents and others in the 
> community before it is introduced. "It is very much a draft," she said.> 
> A U.N. employee involved in shaping the curriculum, who was not 
> authorized to discuss the subject and spoke on condition of anonymity, > said that as recently as three months ago, the lessons had been under 
> consideration for the 2009-10 human rights course.
> 
> U.N. officials said their schools in Gaza already have the most detailed 
> and advanced human rights courses, and teaching the Holocaust would 
> break new ground.
> 
> The subject is not taught in U.N.-run schools for Palestinian refugees > in the West Bank, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. Nor is it taught in 
> Palestinian government schools in the West Bank or Gaza.
> 
> The backlash in Gaza has highlighted why.
> 
> Holocaust denial is still common in the Palestinian territories, with 
> many apparently fearful that acknowledging the genocide would diminish > recognition of their suffering or claims to an independent state. Such > sentiments seem particularly strong among Gazans, who have had only 
> limited access to the outside world since 2007, when Israel and Egypt 
> imposed a border blockade in response to the violent Hamas takeover of > the territory.
> 
> Palestinians complain that Israel refuses to recognize their hardship, > including the expulsion and exile of hundreds of thousands during the 
> war that followed Israel's creation in 1948, which Palestinians refer to 
> as the "naqba," or "catastrophe." Israel's education minister, Gideon 
> Saar, decided this summer to delete references to the word "naqba" from 
> textbooks for Arab third-graders in Israel, though he said teachers can 
> discuss tragedies that befell the Palestinians.
> 
> Jihad Zakarneh, the deputy education minister in the West Bank, the 
> territory run by Palestinian moderates, said teaching Palestinian 
> children about the Holocaust has to wait until there is a peace 
> agreement with Israel.
> 
> "When Israel ends its occupation of our land and our people and gives us 
> our right of independence and self-determination, then we discuss this > issue with them," he said.
> 
> The Gaza dispute over the syllabus also signaled growing tensions 
> between Hamas and UNRWA, the largest independent organization in Gaza. > Hamas has been trying to cement control over Gaza, while the U.N. agency 
> is increasingly emerging as a shadow government, providing services to > some 1 million of Gaza's 1.4 million people.
> 
> Ging said he believes the dispute over the syllabus has more to do with 
> attempts by Hamas to meddle in the U.N. organization's affairs than with 
> the Holocaust.
> 
> The U.N. schools in Gaza are required to follow the Palestinian 
> curriculum but are allowed to make some changes, Ging said. The schools 
> have added enrichment lessons on human rights since 2002, initially for 
> elementary school students.
> 
> Ging said he feels any human rights course is incomplete without 
> discussing the Holocaust. But, he said, it would exceed UNWRA's mandate 
> to write texts about the Holocaust and the Palestinian uprooting, 
> subjects he said are better left to Israelis and Palestinians as part of 
> future peace efforts.
> 
> Critics of the U.N. said the events of the Holocaust cannot be omitted > from a human rights curriculum.
> 
> "By disconnecting the Holocaust from human rights, (the U.N. agency) is 
> highlighting the anti-Semitic bias that pervades the U.N. system," 
> Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Republican congresswoman from Florida, said in a 
> statement.
> 
> The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a leading Jewish advocacy group and tracker 
> of Nazi war criminals, called for the dismissal of Abu Zayd and Ging and 
> demanded the U.S. and Canada suspend funding for the U.N. agency ? which 
> provides services for Palestinian refugees around the Mideast ? until 
> the issue is sorted out.
> 
> The U.S. was the second-largest donor to the agency in 2008, giving it > nearly $96 million of its $541.8 million budget. The European Commission 
> was the largest donor, providing close to $140 million, according to 
> U.N. figures.
> 
> Marie Okabe, a U.N. spokeswoman in New York, said the world body stands 
> by Ging and Abu Zayd. "They are ably continuing their jobs and carrying 
> the mandate to bring assistance to those in desperate need in the West > Bank and Gaza," she said. "There is no truth" to accusations that "they 
> are denying the Holocaust."
> 
> The criticism has been just as strong from the other side.
> 
> A Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri, said the U.N. agency must stick to 
> its mandate and not venture into politics.
> 
> Hamas rejects any attempt to introduce the Holocaust into the curriculum 
> as "a kind of normalization with Israel and an attempt to bridge the 
> psychological gap between Israel and the Palestinians," he said.
> 
> The Palestinian refugee group that first raised the proposed Holocaust > lesson plans called the Nazis' attempt to eradicate European Jewry "a 
> lie made up by the Zionists."
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/lx7jwo

= A victory for the islamists buddies of the nazi jeSSe...

On Sep 8, 8:23 pm, Jesse  wrote:
> Hats off to "Gazanians" for refusing to saddle their budding radical
> children with this mish-mash of history, half truths, lies & pure
> fantasy that is the "Holocaust™"
>
> ````````````````````````````````
>
> UN caught in Gaza dispute over study of Holocaust
> AP
>
> By KARIN LAUB, Associated Press Writer Karin Laub, Associated Press
> Writer – Tue Sep 8, 5:15 pm ET
>
> GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Gaza students won't learn about the Holocaust
> this year.
>
> Angry protests by Palestinians have disrupted tentative plans to
> introduce information about the Nazi genocide of 6 million Jews into the
> curriculum in U.N. schools.
>
> The dispute touches on one of the largest psychological barriers
> dividing Arabs and Jews: Arabs see the Holocaust as an excuse for
> Israel's creation, and Jews see Arab Holocaust denial as a rejection of
> Israel's right to exist.
>
> The uproar has left the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, which runs 221 of
> more than 600 primary and secondary schools in Gaza, caught between the
> territory's Hamas leaders — some of them ardent Holocaust deniers — and
> outraged Jewish groups.
>
> Some in Hamas accused the U.N. agency of trying to generate sympathy for
> Israel and conspiring against the Palestinians. In turn, Jewish
> activists demanded to know why the subject of the genocide wasn't part
> of the human rights syllabus in the first place.
>
> "Now we are being bashed from all quarters," the agency's chief in Gaza,
> John Ging, told The Associated Press.
>
> The controversy erupted last week, after an umbrella group for
> Palestinian refugees in Gaza protested what it said were plans to teach
> eighth-graders in U.N. schools about the Holocaust.
>
> U.N. officials denied they had such intentions for this school year and
> insisted they weren't scaling back in response to public pressure.
>
> Regional agency chief Karen Abu Zayd suggested information about the
> Holocaust could be included in later years, as part of lessons about the
> 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. UNWRA's Web site mentions
> general plans to include the Holocaust in lessons on the "historical
> context that gave rise to" that declaration.
>
> Abu Zayd said the UNWRA field office in Gaza is still developing the
> curriculum, which would be presented to parents and others in the
> community before it is introduced. "It is very much a draft," she said.
>
> A U.N. employee involved in shaping the curriculum, who was not
> authorized to discuss the subject and spoke on condition of anonymity,
> said that as recently as three months ago, the lessons had been under
> consideration for the 2009-10 human rights course.
>
> U.N. officials said their schools in Gaza already have the most detailed
> and advanced human rights courses, and teaching the Holocaust would
> break new ground.
>
> The subject is not taught in U.N.-run schools for Palestinian refugees
> in the West Bank, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. Nor is it taught in
> Palestinian government schools in the West Bank or Gaza.
>
> The backlash in Gaza has highlighted why.
>
> Holocaust denial is still common in the Palestinian territories, with
> many apparently fearful that acknowledging the genocide would diminish
> recognition of their suffering or claims to an independent state. Such
> sentiments seem particularly strong among Gazans, who have had only
> limited access to the outside world since 2007, when Israel and Egypt
> imposed a border blockade in response to the violent Hamas takeover of
> the territory.
>
> Palestinians complain that Israel refuses to recognize their hardship,
> including the expulsion and exile of hundreds of thousands during the
> war that followed Israel's creation in 1948, which Palestinians refer to
> as the "naqba," or "catastrophe." Israel's education minister, Gideon
> Saar, decided this summer to delete references to the word "naqba" from
> textbooks for Arab third-graders in Israel, though he said teachers can
> discuss tragedies that befell the Palestinians.
>
> Jihad Zakarneh, the deputy education minister in the West Bank, the
> territory run by Palestinian moderates, said teaching Palestinian
> children about the Holocaust has to wait until there is a peace
> agreement with Israel.
>
> "When Israel ends its occupation of our land and our people and gives us
> our right of independence and self-determination, then we discuss this
> issue with them," he said.
>
> The Gaza dispute over the syllabus also signaled growing tensions
> between Hamas and UNRWA, the largest independent organization in Gaza.
> Hamas has been trying to cement control over Gaza, while the U.N. agency
> is increasingly emerging as a shadow government, providing services to
> some 1 million of Gaza's 1.4 million people.
>
> Ging said he believes the dispute over the syllabus has more to do with
> attempts by Hamas to meddle in the U.N. organization's affairs than with
> the Holocaust.
>
> The U.N. schools in Gaza are required to follow the Palestinian
> curriculum but are allowed to make some changes, Ging said. The schools
> have added enrichment lessons on human rights since 2002, initially for
> elementary school students.
>
> Ging said he feels any human rights course is incomplete without
> discussing the Holocaust. But, he said, it would exceed UNWRA's mandate
> to write texts about the Holocaust and the Palestinian uprooting,
> subjects he said are better left to Israelis and Palestinians as part of
> future peace efforts.
>
> Critics of the U.N. said the events of the Holocaust cannot be omitted
> from a human rights curriculum.
>
> "By disconnecting the Holocaust from human rights, (the U.N. agency) is
> highlighting the anti-Semitic bias that pervades the U.N. system,"
> Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Republican congresswoman from Florida, said in a
> statement.
>
> The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a leading Jewish advocacy group and tracker
> of Nazi war criminals, called for the dismissal of Abu Zayd and Ging and
> demanded the U.S. and Canada suspend funding for the U.N. agency — which
> provides services for Palestinian refugees around the Mideast — until
> the issue is sorted out.
>
> The U.S. was the second-largest donor to the agency in 2008, giving it
> nearly $96 million of its $541.8 million budget. The European Commission
> was the largest donor, providing close to $140 million, according to
> U.N. figures.
>
> Marie Okabe, a U.N. spokeswoman in New York, said the world body stands
> by Ging and Abu Zayd. "They are ably continuing their jobs and carrying
> the mandate to bring assistance to those in desperate need in the West
> Bank and Gaza," she said. "There is no truth" to accusations that "they
> are denying the Holocaust."
>
> The criticism has been just as strong from the other side.
>
> A Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri, said the U.N. agency must stick to
> its mandate and not venture into politics.
>
> Hamas rejects any attempt to introduce the Holocaust into the curriculum
> as "a kind of normalization with Israel and an attempt to bridge the
> psychological gap between Israel and the Palestinians," he said.
>
> The Palestinian refugee group that first raised the proposed Holocaust
> lesson plans called the Nazis' attempt to eradicate European Jewry "a
> lie made up by the Zionists."
>
> http://tinyurl.com/lx7jwo

re: curricula of schools

Sadly fascinating, and most if not all Arab countries are generally
SEEMINGLY likewise I suspect, to degrees of information formally not
taught

Allegedly still not taught generally in Japan are re Japan's invasions
& occupations of the Asian mainland, such as of Nanking, which is
considered
relatively cruel, most Americans including me are also not formally
taught the gruesome details of the Orient wars simply because it is so
far removed or had been..
(up to Korea, early 1950s, and of Vietnam, huge issue of 1960s and
early 1970s in USA)

I'm betting there exists academic & pedagogical literature that lists
for each country the taboo issues of the formal education, private &
public

Thus, by "default," people are "entertained" by television and movies,
which obviously do have much influence

Our internet is the "wild card" that, depending upon various business,
poltical and economic factors, has the potential to fill in
information gaps for ALL of us, and thus our formal schools are
seemingly less influential

There are teachers here in the USA who've been fire or sanctioned/
restricted re curriculum issues, and I suspect throughout the World

There are Right AND Left anti-establishment type teachers I presume/
assume all over the world

Robert Cohen  wrote in news:0b550d44-86a1-4788-a470-
c19274a094b1@k39g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:

> On Sep 8, 8:23 pm, Jesse  wrote:
>> Hats off to "Gazanians" for refusing to saddle their budding radical
>> children with this mish-mash of history, half truths, lies & pure
>> fantasy that is the "Holocaust™"
>>
>> ````````````````````````````````
>>
>> UN caught in Gaza dispute over study of Holocaust
>> AP
>>
>> By KARIN LAUB, Associated Press Writer Karin Laub, Associated Press
>> Writer – Tue Sep 8, 5:15 pm ET
>>
>> GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Gaza students won't learn about the Holocaust
>> this year.
>>
>> Angry protests by Palestinians have disrupted tentative plans to
>> introduce information about the Nazi genocide of 6 million Jews into the
>> curriculum in U.N. schools.
>>
>> The dispute touches on one of the largest psychological barriers
>> dividing Arabs and Jews: Arabs see the Holocaust as an excuse for
>> Israel's creation, and Jews see Arab Holocaust denial as a rejection of
>> Israel's right to exist.
>>
>> The uproar has left the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, which runs 221 of
>> more than 600 primary and secondary schools in Gaza, caught between the
>> territory's Hamas leaders — some of them ardent Holocaust deniers — a
> nd
>> outraged Jewish groups.
>>
>> Some in Hamas accused the U.N. agency of trying to generate sympathy for
>> Israel and conspiring against the Palestinians. In turn, Jewish
>> activists demanded to know why the subject of the genocide wasn't part
>> of the human rights syllabus in the first place.
>>
>> "Now we are being bashed from all quarters," the agency's chief in Gaza,
>> John Ging, told The Associated Press.
>>
>> The controversy erupted last week, after an umbrella group for
>> Palestinian refugees in Gaza protested what it said were plans to teach
>> eighth-graders in U.N. schools about the Holocaust.
>>
>> U.N. officials denied they had such intentions for this school year and
>> insisted they weren't scaling back in response to public pressure.
>>
>> Regional agency chief Karen Abu Zayd suggested information about the
>> Holocaust could be included in later years, as part of lessons about the
>> 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. UNWRA's Web site mentions
>> general plans to include the Holocaust in lessons on the "historical
>> context that gave rise to" that declaration.
>>
>> Abu Zayd said the UNWRA field office in Gaza is still developing the
>> curriculum, which would be presented to parents and others in the
>> community before it is introduced. "It is very much a draft," she said.
>>
>> A U.N. employee involved in shaping the curriculum, who was not
>> authorized to discuss the subject and spoke on condition of anonymity,
>> said that as recently as three months ago, the lessons had been under
>> consideration for the 2009-10 human rights course.
>>
>> U.N. officials said their schools in Gaza already have the most detailed
>> and advanced human rights courses, and teaching the Holocaust would
>> break new ground.
>>
>> The subject is not taught in U.N.-run schools for Palestinian refugees
>> in the West Bank, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. Nor is it taught in
>> Palestinian government schools in the West Bank or Gaza.
>>
>> The backlash in Gaza has highlighted why.
>>
>> Holocaust denial is still common in the Palestinian territories, with
>> many apparently fearful that acknowledging the genocide would diminish
>> recognition of their suffering or claims to an independent state. Such
>> sentiments seem particularly strong among Gazans, who have had only
>> limited access to the outside world since 2007, when Israel and Egypt
>> imposed a border blockade in response to the violent Hamas takeover of
>> the territory.
>>
>> Palestinians complain that Israel refuses to recognize their hardship,
>> including the expulsion and exile of hundreds of thousands during the
>> war that followed Israel's creation in 1948, which Palestinians refer to
>> as the "naqba," or "catastrophe." Israel's education minister, Gideon
>> Saar, decided this summer to delete references to the word "naqba" from
>> textbooks for Arab third-graders in Israel, though he said teachers can
>> discuss tragedies that befell the Palestinians.
>>
>> Jihad Zakarneh, the deputy education minister in the West Bank, the
>> territory run by Palestinian moderates, said teaching Palestinian
>> children about the Holocaust has to wait until there is a peace
>> agreement with Israel.
>>
>> "When Israel ends its occupation of our land and our people and gives us
>> our right of independence and self-determination, then we discuss this
>> issue with them," he said.
>>
>> The Gaza dispute over the syllabus also signaled growing tensions
>> between Hamas and UNRWA, the largest independent organization in Gaza.
>> Hamas has been trying to cement control over Gaza, while the U.N. agency
>> is increasingly emerging as a shadow government, providing services to
>> some 1 million of Gaza's 1.4 million people.
>>
>> Ging said he believes the dispute over the syllabus has more to do with
>> attempts by Hamas to meddle in the U.N. organization's affairs than with
>> the Holocaust.
>>
>> The U.N. schools in Gaza are required to follow the Palestinian
>> curriculum but are allowed to make some changes, Ging said. The schools
>> have added enrichment lessons on human rights since 2002, initially for
>> elementary school students.
>>
>> Ging said he feels any human rights course is incomplete without
>> discussing the Holocaust. But, he said, it would exceed UNWRA's mandate
>> to write texts about the Holocaust and the Palestinian uprooting,
>> subjects he said are better left to Israelis and Palestinians as part of
>> future peace efforts.
>>
>> Critics of the U.N. said the events of the Holocaust cannot be omitted
>> from a human rights curriculum.
>>
>> "By disconnecting the Holocaust from human rights, (the U.N. agency) is
>> highlighting the anti-Semitic bias that pervades the U.N. system,"
>> Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Republican congresswoman from Florida, said in a
>> statement.
>>
>> The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a leading Jewish advocacy group and tracker
>> of Nazi war criminals, called for the dismissal of Abu Zayd and Ging and
>> demanded the U.S. and Canada suspend funding for the U.N. agency — whic
> h
>> provides services for Palestinian refugees around the Mideast — until
>> the issue is sorted out.
>>
>> The U.S. was the second-largest donor to the agency in 2008, giving it
>> nearly $96 million of its $541.8 million budget. The European Commission
>> was the largest donor, providing close to $140 million, according to
>> U.N. figures.
>>
>> Marie Okabe, a U.N. spokeswoman in New York, said the world body stands
>> by Ging and Abu Zayd. "They are ably continuing their jobs and carrying
>> the mandate to bring assistance to those in desperate need in the West
>> Bank and Gaza," she said. "There is no truth" to accusations that "they
>> are denying the Holocaust."
>>
>> The criticism has been just as strong from the other side.
>>
>> A Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri, said the U.N. agency must stick to
>> its mandate and not venture into politics.
>>
>> Hamas rejects any attempt to introduce the Holocaust into the curriculum
>> as "a kind of normalization with Israel and an attempt to bridge the
>> psychological gap between Israel and the Palestinians," he said.
>>
>> The Palestinian refugee group that first raised the proposed Holocaust
>> lesson plans called the Nazis' attempt to eradicate European Jewry "a
>> lie made up by the Zionists."
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/lx7jwo
> 
> re: curricula of schools
> 
> Sadly fascinating, and most if not all Arab countries are generally
> SEEMINGLY likewise I suspect, to degrees of information formally not
> taught
> 
> Allegedly still not taught generally in Japan are re Japan's invasions
> & occupations of the Asian mainland, such as of Nanking, which is
> considered
> relatively cruel, most Americans including me are also not formally
> taught the gruesome details of the Orient wars simply because it is so
> far removed or had been..
> (up to Korea, early 1950s, and of Vietnam, huge issue of 1960s and
> early 1970s in USA)
> 
> I'm betting there exists academic & pedagogical literature that lists
> for each country the taboo issues of the formal education, private &
> public
> 
> Thus, by "default," people are "entertained" by television and movies,
> which obviously do have much influence
> 
> Our internet is the "wild card" that, depending upon various business,
> poltical and economic factors, has the potential to fill in
> information gaps for ALL of us, and thus our formal schools are
> seemingly less influential
> 
> There are teachers here in the USA who've been fire or sanctioned/
> restricted re curriculum issues, and I suspect throughout the World
> 
> There are Right AND Left anti-establishment type teachers I presume/
> assume all over the world

Jews obviously want "the holocaust" to be the absolute centerpiece of 
history, for all time.
Only by milking vast sympathy, and portraying themselves as perpetual 
victims, can they continue to fleece the publics of western nations of 
various reparations, grants, loans and outright gifts that the jew state 
needs to survive - It also tends to take the onus off their own well known, 
and more recent, transgressions & human rights violations.

Nations like France are notorious for saddling themselves with guilt, 
having mandatory "holocaust" education as a focal point in early schooling.
Sarkozy not too many moths ago proposed that French school children adopt a 
dead jew child, and write of their lives as though they were them.

Many expressed outrage at chaining small minds to such morbid topics, such 
an obvious effort to instill lifelong guilt into the minds of youngsters 
,,, But jews and their promoters, of course, did not bat an eye.
No sacrifice too great, they claim, to keep the memory vivid & fresh, as if 
it all happened yesterday.
Fact or fiction, makes absolutely no difference, so long as the objective 
is achieved.

We see the unbelievable specticle of places like Tuscon, Arizona opening up 
holocaust museums, along with dozens of others, all in the very same effort 
to keep the guilt trip alive in the various host nations of jews ,,, First 
and foremost, of course, unfortunately being the USA.

It is for all of these reasons, and more, that I commend those in Gaza for 
rejecting this clap-trap, and I hope that more follow in their steps.

Robert Cohen wrote:

> I'm betting there exists academic & pedagogical literature that lists
> for each country the taboo issues of the formal education, private &
> public

Lady Bracknell: The whole theory of modern education is radically 
unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no 
effect whatsoever. If it did it would prove a serious threat to the 
upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square.


-- 
Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK

On Sep 9, 2:06 pm, Jesse  wrote:
> Robert Cohen  wrote in news:0b550d44-86a1-4788-a470-
> c19274a09...@k39g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 8, 8:23 pm, Jesse  wrote:
> >> Hats off to "Gazanians" for refusing to saddle their budding radical
> >> children with this mish-mash of history, half truths, lies & pure
> >> fantasy that is the "Holocaust™"
>
> >> ````````````````````````````````
>
> >> UN caught in Gaza dispute over study of Holocaust
> >> AP
>
> >> By KARIN LAUB, Associated Press Writer Karin Laub, Associated Press
> >> Writer – Tue Sep 8, 5:15 pm ET
>
> >> GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Gaza students won't learn about the Holocaust
> >> this year.
>
> >> Angry protests by Palestinians have disrupted tentative plans to
> >> introduce information about the Nazi genocide of 6 million Jews into the
> >> curriculum in U.N. schools.
>
> >> The dispute touches on one of the largest psychological barriers
> >> dividing Arabs and Jews: Arabs see the Holocaust as an excuse for
> >> Israel's creation, and Jews see Arab Holocaust denial as a rejection of
> >> Israel's right to exist.
>
> >> The uproar has left the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, which runs 221 of
> >> more than 600 primary and secondary schools in Gaza, caught between the
> >> territory's Hamas leaders — some of them ardent Holocaust deniers — a
> > nd
> >> outraged Jewish groups.
>
> >> Some in Hamas accused the U.N. agency of trying to generate sympathy for
> >> Israel and conspiring against the Palestinians. In turn, Jewish
> >> activists demanded to know why the subject of the genocide wasn't part
> >> of the human rights syllabus in the first place.
>
> >> "Now we are being bashed from all quarters," the agency's chief in Gaza,
> >> John Ging, told The Associated Press.
>
> >> The controversy erupted last week, after an umbrella group for
> >> Palestinian refugees in Gaza protested what it said were plans to teach
> >> eighth-graders in U.N. schools about the Holocaust.
>
> >> U.N. officials denied they had such intentions for this school year and
> >> insisted they weren't scaling back in response to public pressure.
>
> >> Regional agency chief Karen Abu Zayd suggested information about the
> >> Holocaust could be included in later years, as part of lessons about the
> >> 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. UNWRA's Web site mentions
> >> general plans to include the Holocaust in lessons on the "historical
> >> context that gave rise to" that declaration.
>
> >> Abu Zayd said the UNWRA field office in Gaza is still developing the
> >> curriculum, which would be presented to parents and others in the
> >> community before it is introduced. "It is very much a draft," she said> >> A U.N. employee involved in shaping the curriculum, who was not
> >> authorized to discuss the subject and spoke on condition of anonymity,
> >> said that as recently as three months ago, the lessons had been under
> >> consideration for the 2009-10 human rights course.
>
> >> U.N. officials said their schools in Gaza already have the most detailed
> >> and advanced human rights courses, and teaching the Holocaust would
> >> break new ground.
>
> >> The subject is not taught in U.N.-run schools for Palestinian refugees
> >> in the West Bank, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. Nor is it taught in
> >> Palestinian government schools in the West Bank or Gaza.
>
> >> The backlash in Gaza has highlighted why.
>
> >> Holocaust denial is still common in the Palestinian territories, with
> >> many apparently fearful that acknowledging the genocide would diminish
> >> recognition of their suffering or claims to an independent state. Such
> >> sentiments seem particularly strong among Gazans, who have had only
> >> limited access to the outside world since 2007, when Israel and Egypt
> >> imposed a border blockade in response to the violent Hamas takeover of
> >> the territory.
>
> >> Palestinians complain that Israel refuses to recognize their hardship,
> >> including the expulsion and exile of hundreds of thousands during the
> >> war that followed Israel's creation in 1948, which Palestinians refer to
> >> as the "naqba," or "catastrophe." Israel's education minister, Gideon
> >> Saar, decided this summer to delete references to the word "naqba" from
> >> textbooks for Arab third-graders in Israel, though he said teachers can
> >> discuss tragedies that befell the Palestinians.
>
> >> Jihad Zakarneh, the deputy education minister in the West Bank, the
> >> territory run by Palestinian moderates, said teaching Palestinian
> >> children about the Holocaust has to wait until there is a peace
> >> agreement with Israel.
>
> >> "When Israel ends its occupation of our land and our people and gives us
> >> our right of independence and self-determination, then we discuss this
> >> issue with them," he said.
>
> >> The Gaza dispute over the syllabus also signaled growing tensions
> >> between Hamas and UNRWA, the largest independent organization in Gaza.
> >> Hamas has been trying to cement control over Gaza, while the U.N. agency
> >> is increasingly emerging as a shadow government, providing services to
> >> some 1 million of Gaza's 1.4 million people.
>
> >> Ging said he believes the dispute over the syllabus has more to do with
> >> attempts by Hamas to meddle in the U.N. organization's affairs than with
> >> the Holocaust.
>
> >> The U.N. schools in Gaza are required to follow the Palestinian
> >> curriculum but are allowed to make some changes, Ging said. The schools
> >> have added enrichment lessons on human rights since 2002, initially for
> >> elementary school students.
>
> >> Ging said he feels any human rights course is incomplete without
> >> discussing the Holocaust. But, he said, it would exceed UNWRA's mandate
> >> to write texts about the Holocaust and the Palestinian uprooting,
> >> subjects he said are better left to Israelis and Palestinians as part of
> >> future peace efforts.
>
> >> Critics of the U.N. said the events of the Holocaust cannot be omitted
> >> from a human rights curriculum.
>
> >> "By disconnecting the Holocaust from human rights, (the U.N. agency) is
> >> highlighting the anti-Semitic bias that pervades the U.N. system,"
> >> Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Republican congresswoman from Florida, said in a
> >> statement.
>
> >> The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a leading Jewish advocacy group and tracker
> >> of Nazi war criminals, called for the dismissal of Abu Zayd and Ging and
> >> demanded the U.S. and Canada suspend funding for the U.N. agency — whic
> > h
> >> provides services for Palestinian refugees around the Mideast — until
> >> the issue is sorted out.
>
> >> The U.S. was the second-largest donor to the agency in 2008, giving it
> >> nearly $96 million of its $541.8 million budget. The European Commission
> >> was the largest donor, providing close to $140 million, according to
> >> U.N. figures.
>
> >> Marie Okabe, a U.N. spokeswoman in New York, said the world body stands
> >> by Ging and Abu Zayd. "They are ably continuing their jobs and carrying
> >> the mandate to bring assistance to those in desperate need in the West
> >> Bank and Gaza," she said. "There is no truth" to accusations that "they
> >> are denying the Holocaust."
>
> >> The criticism has been just as strong from the other side.
>
> >> A Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri, said the U.N. agency must stick to
> >> its mandate and not venture into politics.
>
> >> Hamas rejects any attempt to introduce the Holocaust into the curriculum
> >> as "a kind of normalization with Israel and an attempt to bridge the
> >> psychological gap between Israel and the Palestinians," he said.
>
> >> The Palestinian refugee group that first raised the proposed Holocaust
> >> lesson plans called the Nazis' attempt to eradicate European Jewry "a
> >> lie made up by the Zionists."
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/lx7jwo
>
> > re: curricula of schools
>
> > Sadly fascinating, and most if not all Arab countries are generally
> > SEEMINGLY likewise I suspect, to degrees of information formally not
> > taught
>
> > Allegedly still not taught generally in Japan are re Japan's invasions
> > & occupations of the Asian mainland, such as of Nanking, which is
> > considered
> > relatively cruel, most Americans including me are also not formally
> > taught the gruesome details of the Orient wars simply because it is so
> > far removed or had been..
> > (up to Korea, early 1950s, and of Vietnam, huge issue of 1960s and
> > early 1970s in USA)
>
> > I'm betting there exists academic & pedagogical literature that lists
> > for each country the taboo issues of the formal education, private &
> > public
>
> > Thus, by "default," people are "entertained" by television and movies,
> > which obviously do have much influence
>
> > Our internet is the "wild card" that, depending upon various business,
> > poltical and economic factors, has the potential to fill in
> > information gaps for ALL of us, and thus our formal schools are
> > seemingly less influential
>
> > There are teachers here in the USA who've been fire or sanctioned/
> > restricted re curriculum issues, and I suspect throughout the World
>
> > There are Right AND Left anti-establishment type teachers I presume/
> > assume all over the world
>
> Jews obviously want "the holocaust" to be the absolute centerpiece of
> history, for all time.
> Only by milking vast sympathy, and portraying themselves as perpetual
> victims, can they continue to fleece the publics of western nations of
> various reparations, grants, loans and outright gifts that the jew state
> needs to survive - It also tends to take the onus off their own well known,
> and more recent, transgressions & human rights violations.
>
> Nations like France are notorious for saddling themselves with guilt,
> having mandatory "holocaust" education as a focal point in early schooling.
> Sarkozy not too many moths ago proposed that French school children adopt a
> dead jew child, and write of their lives as though they were them.
>
> Many expressed outrage at chaining small minds to such morbid topics, such
> an obvious effort to instill lifelong guilt into the minds of youngsters
> ,,, But jews and their promoters, of course, did not bat an eye.
> No sacrifice too ...
>
> read more »

Of course many/most Jews want the whole world  to understand their
situation or plight, and I would expect your
ilk to oppose same

You in role of shameless hater & provocateur continuously make anti
p.c.(political correctness)
cases, and  the lurkers (readers)  plainly see the  unfettered, blunt,
unwashed point of view

People thus are receiving an inferential message simultaneously that
Jews are not being overly-paranoid
(unduly concerned) when an enemy is tangible & blatant

Jesse a écrit :

(..)

> Jews obviously want "the holocaust" to be the absolute centerpiece of 
> history, for all time.


> Only by milking vast sympathy, and portraying themselves as perpetual 
> victims, can they continue to fleece the publics of western nations of > various reparations, grants, loans and outright gifts that the jew state 
> needs to survive - It also tends to take the onus off their own well known, 
> and more recent, transgressions & human rights violations.
> 
> Nations like France are notorious for saddling themselves with guilt, 
> having mandatory "holocaust" education as a focal point in early schooling.
> Sarkozy not too many moths ago proposed that French school children adopt a 
> dead jew child, and write of their lives as though they were them.
> 
> Many expressed outrage at chaining small minds to such morbid topics, such 
> an obvious effort to instill lifelong guilt into the minds of youngsters 
> ,,, But jews and their promoters, of course, did not bat an eye.
> No sacrifice too great, they claim, to keep the memory vivid & fresh, as if 
> it all happened yesterday.
> Fact or fiction, makes absolutely no difference, so long as the objective 
> is achieved.
> 
> We see the unbelievable specticle of places like Tuscon, Arizona opening up 
> holocaust museums, along with dozens of others, all in the very same effort 
> to keep the guilt trip alive in the various host nations of jews ,,, First 
> and foremost, of course, unfortunately being the USA.
> 
> It is for all of these reasons, and more, that I commend those in Gaza for 
> rejecting this clap-trap, and I hope that more follow in their steps. 
> 
= The real purpose of Holocaust revisionists like jeSSe  is to make National Socialism an 
acceptable political alternative and as often as possible they try desperatly to rub out 
the undelible stain of the crimes committed by their nazi models .
The thousands of testimonies, pictures, movies and  nazi archives make of this purpose an 
impossible task.
Thus one single attitude remains for them : to deny, to deny and always to deny the 
evidence. And they try to "drown the fish" with the Israel question.
The guilt is not for nations like France or America . The guilt is for the Frenchmen and 
Americans who followed the nazi master of jeSSe and Co and the guilt is for those who, 
like jeSSe try to camouflate the crimes and would probably be able if they had the 
possibility to start again the persecutions not only of jews but also of negroes, 
hispanics and asian citizens.
No surprise to see the nazi and the islamist fanatism unite on the theme of Holocaust.

Robert Cohen wrote:
> On Sep 9, 2:06 pm, Jesse  wrote:
>> Robert Cohen  wrote in news:0b550d44-86a1-4788-a470-
>> c19274a09...@k39g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 8, 8:23 pm, Jesse  wrote:
>>>> Hats off to "Gazanians" for refusing to saddle their budding radical
>>>> children with this mish-mash of history, half truths, lies & pure
>>>> fantasy that is the "Holocaust™"
>>>> ````````````````````````````````
>>>> UN caught in Gaza dispute over study of Holocaust
>>>> AP
>>>> By KARIN LAUB, Associated Press Writer Karin Laub, Associated Press
>>>> Writer – Tue Sep 8, 5:15 pm ET
>>>> GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Gaza students won't learn about the Holocaust
>>>> this year.
>>>> Angry protests by Palestinians have disrupted tentative plans to
>>>> introduce information about the Nazi genocide of 6 million Jews into the
>>>> curriculum in U.N. schools.
>>>> The dispute touches on one of the largest psychological barriers
>>>> dividing Arabs and Jews: Arabs see the Holocaust as an excuse for
>>>> Israel's creation, and Jews see Arab Holocaust denial as a rejection of
>>>> Israel's right to exist.
>>>> The uproar has left the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, which runs 221 of
>>>> more than 600 primary and secondary schools in Gaza, caught between the
>>>> territory's Hamas leaders — some of them ardent Holocaust deniers — a
>>> nd
>>>> outraged Jewish groups.
>>>> Some in Hamas accused the U.N. agency of trying to generate sympathy for
>>>> Israel and conspiring against the Palestinians. In turn, Jewish
>>>> activists demanded to know why the subject of the genocide wasn't part
>>>> of the human rights syllabus in the first place.
>>>> "Now we are being bashed from all quarters," the agency's chief in Gaza,
>>>> John Ging, told The Associated Press.
>>>> The controversy erupted last week, after an umbrella group for
>>>> Palestinian refugees in Gaza protested what it said were plans to teach
>>>> eighth-graders in U.N. schools about the Holocaust.
>>>> U.N. officials denied they had such intentions for this school year and
>>>> insisted they weren't scaling back in response to public pressure.
>>>> Regional agency chief Karen Abu Zayd suggested information about the
>>>> Holocaust could be included in later years, as part of lessons about the
>>>> 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. UNWRA's Web site mentions
>>>> general plans to include the Holocaust in lessons on the "historical
>>>> context that gave rise to" that declaration.
>>>> Abu Zayd said the UNWRA field office in Gaza is still developing the
>>>> curriculum, which would be presented to parents and others in the
>>>> community before it is introduced. "It is very much a draft," she said.
>>>> A U.N. employee involved in shaping the curriculum, who was not
>>>> authorized to discuss the subject and spoke on condition of anonymity,
>>>> said that as recently as three months ago, the lessons had been under
>>>> consideration for the 2009-10 human rights course.
>>>> U.N. officials said their schools in Gaza already have the most detailed
>>>> and advanced human rights courses, and teaching the Holocaust would
>>>> break new ground.
>>>> The subject is not taught in U.N.-run schools for Palestinian refugees
>>>> in the West Bank, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. Nor is it taught in
>>>> Palestinian government schools in the West Bank or Gaza.
>>>> The backlash in Gaza has highlighted why.
>>>> Holocaust denial is still common in the Palestinian territories, with
>>>> many apparently fearful that acknowledging the genocide would diminish
>>>> recognition of their suffering or claims to an independent state. Such
>>>> sentiments seem particularly strong among Gazans, who have had only
>>>> limited access to the outside world since 2007, when Israel and Egypt
>>>> imposed a border blockade in response to the violent Hamas takeover of
>>>> the territory.
>>>> Palestinians complain that Israel refuses to recognize their hardship,
>>>> including the expulsion and exile of hundreds of thousands during the
>>>> war that followed Israel's creation in 1948, which Palestinians refer to
>>>> as the "naqba," or "catastrophe." Israel's education minister, Gideon
>>>> Saar, decided this summer to delete references to the word "naqba" from
>>>> textbooks for Arab third-graders in Israel, though he said teachers can
>>>> discuss tragedies that befell the Palestinians.
>>>> Jihad Zakarneh, the deputy education minister in the West Bank, the
>>>> territory run by Palestinian moderates, said teaching Palestinian
>>>> children about the Holocaust has to wait until there is a peace
>>>> agreement with Israel.
>>>> "When Israel ends its occupation of our land and our people and gives us
>>>> our right of independence and self-determination, then we discuss this
>>>> issue with them," he said.
>>>> The Gaza dispute over the syllabus also signaled growing tensions
>>>> between Hamas and UNRWA, the largest independent organization in Gaza.
>>>> Hamas has been trying to cement control over Gaza, while the U.N. agency
>>>> is increasingly emerging as a shadow government, providing services to
>>>> some 1 million of Gaza's 1.4 million people.
>>>> Ging said he believes the dispute over the syllabus has more to do with
>>>> attempts by Hamas to meddle in the U.N. organization's affairs than with
>>>> the Holocaust.
>>>> The U.N. schools in Gaza are required to follow the Palestinian
>>>> curriculum but are allowed to make some changes, Ging said. The schools
>>>> have added enrichment lessons on human rights since 2002, initially for
>>>> elementary school students.
>>>> Ging said he feels any human rights course is incomplete without
>>>> discussing the Holocaust. But, he said, it would exceed UNWRA's mandate
>>>> to write texts about the Holocaust and the Palestinian uprooting,
>>>> subjects he said are better left to Israelis and Palestinians as part of
>>>> future peace efforts.
>>>> Critics of the U.N. said the events of the Holocaust cannot be omitted
>>>> from a human rights curriculum.
>>>> "By disconnecting the Holocaust from human rights, (the U.N. agency) is
>>>> highlighting the anti-Semitic bias that pervades the U.N. system,"
>>>> Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Republican congresswoman from Florida, said in a
>>>> statement.
>>>> The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a leading Jewish advocacy group and tracker
>>>> of Nazi war criminals, called for the dismissal of Abu Zayd and Ging and
>>>> demanded the U.S. and Canada suspend funding for the U.N. agency — whic
>>> h
>>>> provides services for Palestinian refugees around the Mideast — until
>>>> the issue is sorted out.
>>>> The U.S. was the second-largest donor to the agency in 2008, giving it
>>>> nearly $96 million of its $541.8 million budget. The European Commission
>>>> was the largest donor, providing close to $140 million, according to
>>>> U.N. figures.
>>>> Marie Okabe, a U.N. spokeswoman in New York, said the world body stands
>>>> by Ging and Abu Zayd. "They are ably continuing their jobs and carrying
>>>> the mandate to bring assistance to those in desperate need in the West
>>>> Bank and Gaza," she said. "There is no truth" to accusations that "they
>>>> are denying the Holocaust."
>>>> The criticism has been just as strong from the other side.
>>>> A Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri, said the U.N. agency must stick to
>>>> its mandate and not venture into politics.
>>>> Hamas rejects any attempt to introduce the Holocaust into the curriculum
>>>> as "a kind of normalization with Israel and an attempt to bridge the
>>>> psychological gap between Israel and the Palestinians," he said.
>>>> The Palestinian refugee group that first raised the proposed Holocaust
>>>> lesson plans called the Nazis' attempt to eradicate European Jewry "a
>>>> lie made up by the Zionists."
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/lx7jwo
>>> re: curricula of schools
>>> Sadly fascinating, and most if not all Arab countries are generally
>>> SEEMINGLY likewise I suspect, to degrees of information formally not
>>> taught
>>> Allegedly still not taught generally in Japan are re Japan's invasions
>>> & occupations of the Asian mainland, such as of Nanking, which is
>>> considered
>>> relatively cruel, most Americans including me are also not formally
>>> taught the gruesome details of the Orient wars simply because it is so
>>> far removed or had been..
>>> (up to Korea, early 1950s, and of Vietnam, huge issue of 1960s and
>>> early 1970s in USA)
>>> I'm betting there exists academic & pedagogical literature that lists
>>> for each country the taboo issues of the formal education, private &
>>> public
>>> Thus, by "default," people are "entertained" by television and movies,
>>> which obviously do have much influence
>>> Our internet is the "wild card" that, depending upon various business,
>>> poltical and economic factors, has the potential to fill in
>>> information gaps for ALL of us, and thus our formal schools are
>>> seemingly less influential
>>> There are teachers here in the USA who've been fire or sanctioned/
>>> restricted re curriculum issues, and I suspect throughout the World
>>> There are Right AND Left anti-establishment type teachers I presume/
>>> assume all over the world
>> Jews obviously want "the holocaust" to be the absolute centerpiece of
>> history, for all time.
>> Only by milking vast sympathy, and portraying themselves as perpetual
>> victims, can they continue to fleece the publics of western nations of
>> various reparations, grants, loans and outright gifts that the jew state
>> needs to survive - It also tends to take the onus off their own well known,
>> and more recent, transgressions & human rights violations.
>>
>> Nations like France are notorious for saddling themselves with guilt,
>> having mandatory "holocaust" education as a focal point in early schooling.
>> Sarkozy not too many moths ago proposed that French school children adopt a
>> dead jew child, and write of their lives as though they were them.
>>
>> Many expressed outrage at chaining small minds to such morbid topics, such
>> an obvious effort to instill lifelong guilt into the minds of youngsters
>> ,,, But jews and their promoters, of course, did not bat an eye.
>> No sacrifice too ...
>>
>> read more »
> 
> Of course many/most Jews want the whole world  to understand their
> situation or plight, and I would expect your
> ilk to oppose same
> 
> You in role of shameless hater & provocateur continuously make anti
> p.c.(political correctness)
> cases, and  the lurkers (readers)  plainly see the  unfettered, blunt,
> unwashed point of view
> 
> People thus are receiving an inferential message simultaneously that
> Jews are not being overly-paranoid
> (unduly concerned) when an enemy is tangible & blatant

Sure.
I guess they weren't unduly concerned in 1932 either.

For the record, exactly what is this "plight" that you want the whole 
world to understand ?

re: 'understanding the plight of the Jews'

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plight

Socrates & Freud place emphasis upon self-understanding, and who would
disagree

I perceive everybody ought to understand, first, her/his self

So I tout universally Abraham Maslow's needs & values explanation
model

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

Later ...

"Jesse"  skrev i melding 
news:HzCpm.25108$u76.5012@newsfe10.iad...
> Hats off to "Gazanians" for refusing to saddle their budding radical 
> children with this mish-mash of history, half truths, lies & pure fantasy 
> that is the "Holocaust™"
>
> ````````````````````````````````
>
Happy anniversary! Are you celebrating together with your new Hamas friends?

In message , Jan
 writes
>"Jesse"  skrev i melding news:HzCpm.25108$u76.5012@newsfe10.
>iad...
>> Hats off to "Gazanians" for refusing to saddle their budding radical
>>children with this mish-mash of history, half truths, lies & pure
>>fantasy  that is the "Holocaust™"
>>
>> ````````````````````````````````
>>
>Happy anniversary! Are you celebrating together with your new Hamas
>friends?

Jesse is having identity problems. note it is "Gazanians" not Hamas....
The American right are so full of hypocrisy they have to make up names
and redefine things (in ways the rest of the world don't recognise) in
order to make their "reality" fit.


-- 
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills  Staffs  England     /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

"Jan"  wrote in
news:MtidnWVIALHoGDfXRVnzvQA@telenor.com: 

> "Jesse"  skrev i melding 
> news:HzCpm.25108$u76.5012@newsfe10.iad...
>> Hats off to "Gazanians" for refusing to saddle their budding radical 
>> children with this mish-mash of history, half truths, lies & pure
>> fantasy that is the "Holocaust™"
>>
>> ````````````````````````````````
>>
> Happy anniversary! Are you celebrating together with your new Hamas
> friends? 

It would not appear that hamas has a whole lot to celebrate, cooped up in 
their poverty stricken little shit hole, and relying on foriegn handouts for 
survival.

On Sep 11, 11:08 am, Robert Cohen  wrote:
> re: 'understanding the plight of the Jews'
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plight
>
> Socrates & Freud place emphasis upon self-understanding, and who would
> disagree
>
> I perceive everybody ought to understand, first, her/his self
>
> So I tout universally Abraham Maslow's needs & values explanation
> model
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs
>
> Later ...

An historic plight, fate, stereotype, label or syndrome is that of the
"wandering Jew,"
and that's not about the botany plant, but serves my purpose
for encapsulating two thousand years

The Maslow hierarchy of needs (and values) apply to tout le monde,
everybody

Jews adapt and survive, or mal-adapt and die, the story of all
organisms

Eras of flourishing as per '"Our Golden Age In Poland," or to an
l'estranger-alien opposite
a la Maslow's need of seeking of safety

The absurd if not crazy situation today is simultaneously some of both

Robert Cohen  wrote in news:03fd73d0-7eb8-483f-94ae-
7a081b8675a5@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:

> On Sep 11, 11:08 am, Robert Cohen  wrote:
>> re: 'understanding the plight of the Jews'
>>
>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plight
>>
>> Socrates & Freud place emphasis upon self-understanding, and who would
>> disagree
>>
>> I perceive everybody ought to understand, first, her/his self
>>
>> So I tout universally Abraham Maslow's needs & values explanation
>> model
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs
>>
>> Later ...
> 
> An historic plight, fate, stereotype, label or syndrome is that of the
> "wandering Jew,"
> and that's not about the botany plant, but serves my purpose
> for encapsulating two thousand years
> 
> The Maslow hierarchy of needs (and values) apply to tout le monde,
> everybody
> 
> Jews adapt and survive, or mal-adapt and die, the story of all
> organisms
> 
> Eras of flourishing as per '"Our Golden Age In Poland," or to an
> l'estranger-alien opposite
> a la Maslow's need of seeking of safety
> 
> The absurd if not crazy situation today is simultaneously some of both

Copy & paste what you will - You are a jew, do you feel you have a plight ?
Do you identify with Israel ?