A good career move, especially in PC Britain.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/

And it's easy too.

In message <5e4f7ab0-1d4e-4866-8795-8fcca2733ecc@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups
.com>, jonah  writes
>A good career move, especially in PC Britain.
>
>http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/
>
>And it's easy too.

Makes a change from the thousands of Christian fanatics trying to get me
to convert. If it is not the Witnesses it is the Mormons.... or anyone
of a dozen Evangelical churches.

They are all at it.

What was your point? That the Muslims are following Christian Trends?

Time to throw out all THREE of the Middle Eastern Religions, Judaism,
Christianity and Islam and go bake to the British Religions they
supplanted.

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Chris H a écrit :
> In message <5e4f7ab0-1d4e-4866-8795-8fcca2733ecc@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups
> .com>, jonah  writes
>> A good career move, especially in PC Britain.
>>
>> http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/
>>
>> And it's easy too.
> 
> Makes a change from the thousands of Christian fanatics trying to get me
> to convert. If it is not the Witnesses it is the Mormons.... or anyone
> of a dozen Evangelical churches.
> 
> They are all at it.
> 
> What was your point? That the Muslims are following Christian Trends?
> 
> Time to throw out all THREE of the Middle Eastern Religions, Judaism,
> Christianity and Islam and go bake to the British Religions they
> supplanted.
> 
= What are the "british religions" you are speaking of ?

In message <4a82a21e$0$12616$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>, RLM
 writes
>Chris H a écrit :
>> In message <5e4f7ab0-1d4e-4866-8795-8fcca2733ecc@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups
>> .com>, jonah  writes
>>> A good career move, especially in PC Britain.
>>>
>>> http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/
>>>
>>> And it's easy too.
>>  Makes a change from the thousands of Christian fanatics trying to
>>get me
>> to convert. If it is not the Witnesses it is the Mormons.... or anyone
>> of a dozen Evangelical churches.
>>  They are all at it.
>>  What was your point? That the Muslims are following Christian
>>Trends?
>>  Time to throw out all THREE of the Middle Eastern Religions,
>>Judaism,
>> Christianity and Islam and go bake to the British Religions they
>> supplanted.
>>
>= What are the "british religions" you are speaking of ?

All the traditional ones before Christianity invaded.


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On 12 Aug, 12:06, RLM  wrote:
> Chris H a écrit :
>
>
>
> > In message <5e4f7ab0-1d4e-4866-8795-8fcca2733...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups
> > .com>, jonah  writes
> >> A good career move, especially in PC Britain.
>
> >>http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/
>
> >> And it's easy too.
>
> > Makes a change from the thousands of Christian fanatics trying to get me
> > to convert. If it is not the Witnesses it is the Mormons.... or anyone
> > of a dozen Evangelical churches.
>
> > They are all at it.
>
> > What was your point? That the Muslims are following Christian Trends?
>
> > Time to throw out all THREE of the Middle Eastern Religions, Judaism,
> > Christianity and Islam and go bake to the British Religions they
> > supplanted.
>
> = What are the "british religions" you are speaking of ?

Druidism, Paganism, or, the "horned god" known as, Hearn the hunter.
And, for want of a better word, Atonism. The worship of the Sun, the
Solar disk. Which was adopted by the Egyptian Pharaoh Arkenaten, at
Amara. After first being worshipped by the ancient Britons at least
2000 years earlier at temples dedicated to it at Stonehenge and at
Newgrange, on the banks of the river Boyne, in Ireland which dates
back to the pre-civilisation of Egypt, 3200BC, Or around 600 years
older then the great pyramids. I'll get back to my point regarding
Islam in my next post.

jonah a écrit :
> On 12 Aug, 12:06, RLM  wrote:
>> Chris H a écrit :
>>
>>
>>
>>> In message <5e4f7ab0-1d4e-4866-8795-8fcca2733...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups
>>> .com>, jonah  writes
>>>> A good career move, especially in PC Britain.
>>>> http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/
>>>> And it's easy too.
>>> Makes a change from the thousands of Christian fanatics trying to get me
>>> to convert. If it is not the Witnesses it is the Mormons.... or anyone
>>> of a dozen Evangelical churches.
>>> They are all at it.
>>> What was your point? That the Muslims are following Christian Trends?>>> Time to throw out all THREE of the Middle Eastern Religions, Judaism,>>> Christianity and Islam and go bake to the British Religions they
>>> supplanted.
>> = What are the "british religions" you are speaking of ?
> 
> Druidism, Paganism, or, the "horned god" known as, Hearn the hunter.
> And, for want of a better word, Atonism. The worship of the Sun, the
> Solar disk. Which was adopted by the Egyptian Pharaoh Arkenaten, at
> Amara. After first being worshipped by the ancient Britons at least
> 2000 years earlier at temples dedicated to it at Stonehenge and at
> Newgrange, on the banks of the river Boyne, in Ireland which dates
> back to the pre-civilisation of Egypt, 3200BC, Or around 600 years
> older then the great pyramids. I'll get back to my point regarding
> Islam in my next post.

= Truly necessary ?

jonah wrote:
> A good career move, especially in PC Britain.
> 
> http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/
> 
> And it's easy too.

It would appear that at least Hippy & Chris have already made the move 
,,, Perhaps they can share their experiences ,,, ??

In message <tNDgm.130898$qx1.117840@newsfe04.iad>, Jesse 
writes
>jonah wrote:
>> A good career move, especially in PC Britain.
>>  http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/
>>  And it's easy too.
>
>It would appear that at least Hippy & Chris have already made the move
>,,, Perhaps they can share their experiences ,,, ??

Having spent time with Christians and Moslems if find that, as
exemplified by Jesse that Christians tend to be closed minded and
bigots.  They want to control and go out trying to convert everyone
else.

Moslems, apart from a few fanatics, tend to be pro education and
freedom. They used to preach tolerance.

I say used to because due to the world wide crusade by the US military
the Islamic world has  hardened against this mindless onslaught. GWB's
actions (and those of some of his predecessors) has caused a
radicalisation of Islam and it has started to fight back using Christina
methods.

So far Islam is winning hands down in Iraq... Afghanistan is far more
complex and religion is only a minor component. Islam is the fastest
growing religion in the USA.

If you look into European history you will find that the "invasion" of
Islam brought prosperity, peace and tolerance.  Education and learning
were prized. In fact the Islamic influence in Europe was the key to the
renaissance and the end of the [Christian] Dark Ages.

The power of the Christian Church started to decline as the light
(education, science, medicine, art, philosophy, maths, geometry etc.)
became widely available form the Islamic libraries.  This is why the
Christians wanted to, and unfortunately succeeded in several places to
burn the libraries thus depriving the world of much learning and
education.

US military actions have radicalised Islam so that it is now behaving
like many Christian sects (though without the pedophile and child abuse
found in Catholicism).



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Chris H a écrit :
> In message <tNDgm.130898$qx1.117840@newsfe04.iad>, Jesse 
> writes
>> jonah wrote:
>>> A good career move, especially in PC Britain.
>>>  http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/
>>>  And it's easy too.
>> It would appear that at least Hippy & Chris have already made the move>> ,,, Perhaps they can share their experiences ,,, ??
> 
> Having spent time with Christians and Moslems if find that, as
> exemplified by Jesse that Christians tend to be closed minded and
> bigots.  They want to control and go out trying to convert everyone
> else.
> 
> Moslems, apart from a few fanatics, tend to be pro education and
> freedom. They used to preach tolerance.
> 
> I say used to because due to the world wide crusade by the US military
> the Islamic world has  hardened against this mindless onslaught. GWB's
> actions (and those of some of his predecessors) has caused a
> radicalisation of Islam and it has started to fight back using Christina
> methods.
> 
> So far Islam is winning hands down in Iraq... Afghanistan is far more
> complex and religion is only a minor component. Islam is the fastest
> growing religion in the USA.
> 
> If you look into European history you will find that the "invasion" of
> Islam brought prosperity, peace and tolerance.  Education and learning
> were prized. In fact the Islamic influence in Europe was the key to the> renaissance and the end of the [Christian] Dark Ages.
> 
> The power of the Christian Church started to decline as the light
> (education, science, medicine, art, philosophy, maths, geometry etc.)
> became widely available form the Islamic libraries.  This is why the
> Christians wanted to, and unfortunately succeeded in several places to
> burn the libraries thus depriving the world of much learning and
> education.
> 
> US military actions have radicalised Islam so that it is now behaving
> like many Christian sects (though without the pedophile and child abuse> found in Catholicism).
> 
> 
> 
=  One can hardly compare Islam in the Middle ages and especially in early middle ages 
with the contemporary Islam.
Whatever the reason, american policy or else, it has become an intolerant enemy of Science 
and of liberty of thought.
Islamism, communism and nazism, all enemies of the Human Rights  are to be put in the same 
basket.

In message <4a84ff4c$0$23486$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>, RLM
 writes
>Chris H a écrit :
>> In message <tNDgm.130898$qx1.117840@newsfe04.iad>, Jesse 
>> writes
>>> jonah wrote:
>>>> A good career move, especially in PC Britain.
>>>>  http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/
>>>>  And it's easy too.
>>> It would appear that at least Hippy & Chris have already made the move
>>> ,,, Perhaps they can share their experiences ,,, ??
>>  Having spent time with Christians and Moslems if find that, as
>> exemplified by Jesse that Christians tend to be closed minded and
>> bigots.  They want to control and go out trying to convert everyone
>> else.
>>  Moslems, apart from a few fanatics, tend to be pro education and
>> freedom. They used to preach tolerance.
>>  I say used to because due to the world wide crusade by the US
>>military
>> the Islamic world has  hardened against this mindless onslaught. GWB's
>> actions (and those of some of his predecessors) has caused a
>> radicalisation of Islam and it has started to fight back using Christina
>> methods.
>>  So far Islam is winning hands down in Iraq... Afghanistan is far
>>more
>> complex and religion is only a minor component. Islam is the fastest
>> growing religion in the USA.
>>  If you look into European history you will find that the "invasion"
>>of
>> Islam brought prosperity, peace and tolerance.  Education and learning
>> were prized. In fact the Islamic influence in Europe was the key to the
>> renaissance and the end of the [Christian] Dark Ages.
>>  The power of the Christian Church started to decline as the light
>> (education, science, medicine, art, philosophy, maths, geometry etc.)
>> became widely available form the Islamic libraries.  This is why the
>> Christians wanted to, and unfortunately succeeded in several places to
>> burn the libraries thus depriving the world of much learning and
>> education.
>>  US military actions have radicalised Islam so that it is now
>>behaving
>> like many Christian sects (though without the pedophile and child abuse
>> found in Catholicism).
>>
>=  One can hardly compare Islam in the Middle ages and especially in
>early middle ages with the contemporary Islam.
>Whatever the reason, american policy or else, it has become an
>intolerant enemy of Science and of liberty of thought.
>Islamism, communism and nazism, all enemies of the Human Rights  are to
>be put in the same basket.

Add Christianity to that list!  The Catholic Church is full of
pedophiles and child abusers. The Wesborough Baptists are an
abomination, The Evangelicals go round converting and perverting....

There are fanatics in all religions.  The Christians seem to do it
naturally. A few Moslems have due to the several hundreds of thousands
killed (mainly civilians) by the USA's "crudsade"   Are you surpriced
they are fighting back....

Look what the US has done over 3000 dead.... The Islamic countries have
lost around 300,000.... what should they do?

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"RLM"  wrote ...

> If you look into European history you will find that the "invasion" of
> Islam brought prosperity, peace and tolerance.  Education and learning
> were prized. In fact the Islamic influence in Europe was the key to the
> renaissance and the end of the [Christian] Dark Ages.

=  One can hardly compare Islam in the Middle ages and especially in early
middle ages
with the contemporary Islam.
Whatever the reason, american policy or else, it has become an intolerant
enemy of Science
and of liberty of thought.
Islamism, communism and nazism, all enemies of the Human Rights  are to be
put in the same
basket.

You are tarring Islam with a very wide brush. There are factions within
Islam who are excessively intolerant, oppressive and repressive just as
there are such factions within other groups. That does not mean that all who
go under the banner of Islam are of the same ideology any more so than those
under the banner of other religions or politics.

What gets called "Radical Islam", the hard-line ideology, has come into
ascendency since America helped them defeat Russia in Afghanistan, and is
carried along on the back of having invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and started
bombing in Pakistan. Until then more moderate Islam was gaining ground, in
fact, Iraq was effectively secular with women largely free from draconian
control. Removing Saddam did OBL, Al-Qaeda, and the Taliban a huge favour,
allowing their backwards ideology to take hold, when such ideology had been
rejected for decades within the Arab world.

There are millions of Muslims out there who are not intolerant enemies of
science or liberty of thought. You do them a great disservice.

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> "RLM"  wrote ...
> 
>> If you look into European history you will find that the "invasion" of
>> Islam brought prosperity, peace and tolerance.  Education and learning
>> were prized. In fact the Islamic influence in Europe was the key to the
>> renaissance and the end of the [Christian] Dark Ages.
> 
> =  One can hardly compare Islam in the Middle ages and especially in early
> middle ages
> with the contemporary Islam.
> Whatever the reason, american policy or else, it has become an intolerant
> enemy of Science
> and of liberty of thought.
> Islamism, communism and nazism, all enemies of the Human Rights  are to be
> put in the same
> basket.
> 
> You are tarring Islam with a very wide brush. There are factions within
> Islam who are excessively intolerant, oppressive and repressive just as
> there are such factions within other groups. That does not mean that all who
> go under the banner of Islam are of the same ideology any more so than those
> under the banner of other religions or politics.
> 
> What gets called "Radical Islam", the hard-line ideology, has come into
> ascendency since America helped them defeat Russia in Afghanistan, and is
> carried along on the back of having invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and started
> bombing in Pakistan. Until then more moderate Islam was gaining ground, in
> fact, Iraq was effectively secular with women largely free from draconian
> control. Removing Saddam did OBL, Al-Qaeda, and the Taliban a huge favour,
> allowing their backwards ideology to take hold, when such ideology had been
> rejected for decades within the Arab world.
> 
> There are millions of Muslims out there who are not intolerant enemies of
> science or liberty of thought. You do them a great disservice.

Congratulations, you went 1 whole post without mentioning my name !

Your logic, as usual, is flawed - Radical islam is a natural progress 
for their violent, racist holy book.
Ottoman/European colonialism kept it in check, the floodgates were 
unleashed when your exhausted country dropped the ball following WW2, 
and released the pent up energy which first led to radical nationalism, 
then to extremism.

It was simmering well before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan - One 
only has to look at such events as the slew of aircraft hijackings in 
the 1970's, all committed by radical arabs ,,, Or the Olympic Munich 
massacre of jew athletes, to see that the writing was on the wall long 
before your myopic, partisan mind can fathom.

The Happy Hippy a écrit :
> "RLM"  wrote ...
> 
>> If you look into European history you will find that the "invasion" of>> Islam brought prosperity, peace and tolerance.  Education and learning>> were prized. In fact the Islamic influence in Europe was the key to the
>> renaissance and the end of the [Christian] Dark Ages.
> 
> =  One can hardly compare Islam in the Middle ages and especially in early
> middle ages
> with the contemporary Islam.
> Whatever the reason, american policy or else, it has become an intolerant
> enemy of Science
> and of liberty of thought.
> Islamism, communism and nazism, all enemies of the Human Rights  are to be
> put in the same
> basket.
> 
> You are tarring Islam with a very wide brush. There are factions within> Islam who are excessively intolerant, oppressive and repressive just as> there are such factions within other groups. That does not mean that all who
> go under the banner of Islam are of the same ideology any more so than those
> under the banner of other religions or politics.
> 
> What gets called "Radical Islam", the hard-line ideology, has come into> ascendency since America helped them defeat Russia in Afghanistan, and is
> carried along on the back of having invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and started
> bombing in Pakistan. Until then more moderate Islam was gaining ground, in
> fact, Iraq was effectively secular with women largely free from draconian
> control. Removing Saddam did OBL, Al-Qaeda, and the Taliban a huge favour,
> allowing their backwards ideology to take hold, when such ideology had been
> rejected for decades within the Arab world.
> 
> There are millions of Muslims out there who are not intolerant enemies of
> science or liberty of thought. You do them a great disservice.
> 
> 
= Sorry but in my post I did'nt speak of Islam but of *islamism*  that is, as you know, 
something quite different.
Islamism, communism , nazism, fascism and christian integrism (whether catholic or 
protestant) are to be put in the same basket.

"RLM"  wrote ...

= Sorry but in my post I did'nt speak of Islam but of *islamism*  that is,
as you know,
something quite different.

I'll accept your intent but that is the danger of taking a concept (
"Islamism" ) which can be both the intent of good and bad and meaning the
label to be only bad. That's to fall into line with US military-ideological
ways of thinking, where "Foreigners" are automatically equated to bad guys,
"Jihad" becomes terrorism and so on.

It's also necessary to separate a belief in an ideology ( liberal,
socialist, communist, national socialist ), from the implementations and
excesses of those acting under such banners which are often not the same.

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> "RLM"  wrote ...
> 
> = Sorry but in my post I did'nt speak of Islam but of *islamism*  that is,
> as you know,
> something quite different.
> 
> I'll accept your intent but that is the danger of taking a concept (
> "Islamism" ) which can be both the intent of good and bad and meaning the
> label to be only bad. That's to fall into line with US military-ideological
> ways of thinking, where "Foreigners" are automatically equated to bad guys,
> "Jihad" becomes terrorism and so on.
> 
> It's also necessary to separate a belief in an ideology ( liberal,
> socialist, communist, national socialist ), from the implementations and
> excesses of those acting under such banners which are often not the same.

Translation: You dumb french fucker, you better get up to speed on 
current liberal views if you want to be one of my usenet lackeys !"

Jesse a écrit :
> The Happy Hippy wrote:
>> "RLM"  wrote ...
>>
>> = Sorry but in my post I did'nt speak of Islam but of *islamism*  that 
>> is,
>> as you know,
>> something quite different.
>>
>> I'll accept your intent but that is the danger of taking a concept (
>> "Islamism" ) which can be both the intent of good and bad and meaning the
>> label to be only bad. That's to fall into line with US 
>> military-ideological
>> ways of thinking, where "Foreigners" are automatically equated to bad >> guys,
>> "Jihad" becomes terrorism and so on.
>>
>> It's also necessary to separate a belief in an ideology ( liberal,
>> socialist, communist, national socialist ), from the implementations and
>> excesses of those acting under such banners which are often not the same.
> 
> Translation:

You *dumb french fucker*,

jeSSe as te good nazi he is cannot write a post without an insult inside.jeSSe a self alleged marine speaks the language of louts . jeSSe is a "loutspeaker"....


  you better get up to speed on  current liberal views if you want to be one of my usenet 
lackeys !"

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> "RLM"  wrote ...
> 
> = Sorry but in my post I did'nt speak of Islam but of *islamism*  that is,
> as you know,
> something quite different.
> 
> I'll accept your intent but that is the danger of taking a concept (
> "Islamism" ) which can be both the intent of good and bad and meaning the
> label to be only bad. That's to fall into line with US military-ideological
> ways of thinking, where "Foreigners" are automatically equated to bad guys,
> "Jihad" becomes terrorism and so on.

"I'll accept your intent" - Mighty magnanimous of you, Hippy boy.
Here he is, in full blown teacher mode - First dangling a little carrot 
at the french dolt by saying he accepts his explanation of why he was 
critical of islam, and next, laying down the Hippy law as to what he 
should really think.
A higher insult can scarcely be imagined, especially towards a typical 
vainglorious frenchman.

So desperate are they to maintain solidarity in their petty flame wars 
with me, already we can see the cracks forming in their shabby little 
alliance.
But next time RLM, I am sure you will do much better ,,, Now that 
everyone knows what Hippy expects of you !

> It's also necessary to separate a belief in an ideology ( liberal,
> socialist, communist, national socialist ), from the implementations and
> excesses of those acting under such banners which are often not the same.

More condescending, unasked for advice, as to how french dolt and animal 
porno poster RLM should really think about islam.

Jesse a écrit :
> The Happy Hippy wrote:
>> "RLM"  wrote ...
>>
>> = Sorry but in my post I did'nt speak of Islam but of *islamism*  that 
>> is,
>> as you know,
>> something quite different.
>>
>> I'll accept your intent but that is the danger of taking a concept (
>> "Islamism" ) which can be both the intent of good and bad and meaning the
>> label to be only bad. That's to fall into line with US 
>> military-ideological
>> ways of thinking, where "Foreigners" are automatically equated to bad >> guys,
>> "Jihad" becomes terrorism and so on.
> 
> "I'll accept your intent" - Mighty magnanimous of you, Hippy boy.
> Here he is, in full blown teacher mode - First dangling a little carrot 
> at the french dolt by saying he accepts his explanation of why he was 
> critical of islam, and next, laying down the Hippy law as to what he 
> should really think.
> A higher insult can scarcely be imagined, especially towards a typical > vainglorious frenchman.
> 
> So desperate are they to maintain solidarity in their petty flame wars > with me, already we can see the cracks forming in their shabby little 
> alliance.
> But next time RLM, I am sure you will do much better ,,, Now that 
> everyone knows what Hippy expects of you !
> 
>> It's also necessary to separate a belief in an ideology ( liberal,
>> socialist, communist, national socialist ), from the implementations and
>> excesses of those acting under such banners which are often not the same.
> 
> More condescending, unasked for advice, as to how *french dolt and animal 
> porno poster RLM* should really think about islam.

= I despise your insults, poor vulgar nazi.
As for islam, a nazi like you or an islamist no differnce of mind . Just the same fanatism 
with different targets.