http://www.fbi.gov/page2/july09/terrorism_072709.html

material support and conspiracy charges against all of them, and various 
weapons charges

As far as I can tell, this was an ad hoc group, one guy from Kosovo, another 
who had travelled to Jordan, an American Talibanski and his two sons, and 
two others. I don't think they are part of the paranoid Jama'at al-Fuqrah 
cult, which has several compounds in the rural USA.

"Larry Hammick"  wrote in message 
news:S2vbm.38474$PH1.2115@edtnps82...
> http://www.fbi.gov/page2/july09/terrorism_072709.html

[
Ziyad Yaghi: The 21-year-old U.S. citizen traveled to Jordan in October 2006 
to engage in violent jihad.
]


Take a look:

http://pibillwarner.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/ziyad-hisham-yaghi1.jpg?w=239&h=300

In message <qtJim.39621$Db2.24184@edtnps83>, Larry Hammick
 writes
>"Larry Hammick"  wrote in message
>news:S2vbm.38474$PH1.2115@edtnps82...
>> http://www.fbi.gov/page2/july09/terrorism_072709.html
>
>[
>Ziyad Yaghi: The 21-year-old U.S. citizen traveled to Jordan in October 2006
>to engage in violent jihad.
>]
>

SO we have US citizens training for and planning for terrorism in the
USA.... Ironically in cams originally funded and set up by the USA....

The USA was warned AT THE TIME THEY DID IT that it would come back to
bite them.   Now the question is can the rest of the world treat the USA
in the same way the US is treating Pakistan?

As I see it it is quite legal according to US logic to send a UAV in and
take out the house these terrorists are in and if it blows up the one
next door and only 10-20 civilians are killed that is acceptable
collateral damage.

-- 
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills  Staffs  England     /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Chris H wrote:

> In message <qtJim.39621$Db2.24184@edtnps83>, Larry Hammick
>  writes
>>"Larry Hammick"  wrote in message
>>news:S2vbm.38474$PH1.2115@edtnps82...
>>> http://www.fbi.gov/page2/july09/terrorism_072709.html
>>
>>[
>>Ziyad Yaghi: The 21-year-old U.S. citizen traveled to Jordan in October
>>2006 to engage in violent jihad.
>>]
>>
> 
> SO we have US citizens training for and planning for terrorism in the
> USA.... Ironically in cams originally funded and set up by the USA....
> 
> The USA was warned AT THE TIME THEY DID IT that it would come back to
> bite them.   Now the question is can the rest of the world treat the USA
> in the same way the US is treating Pakistan?
> 
> As I see it it is quite legal according to US logic to send a UAV in and
> take out the house these terrorists are in and if it blows up the one
> next door and only 10-20 civilians are killed that is acceptable
> collateral damage.
> 

Stand by for the next instalment of the American Civil War.

Because, unless the US stands for coexistence and reconciliation between 
people, the US cannot stick together, and as ole Abe remarked (quoting JC) - 
a house divided against itself cannot stand.

Bush's crusade may well become America's undoing.

-- 
Facts are sacred ... but comment is free

In message <g3Wim.69633$OO7.50946@text.news.virginmedia.com>, Robin T
Cox  writes
>Chris H wrote:
>
>> In message <qtJim.39621$Db2.24184@edtnps83>, Larry Hammick
>>  writes
>>>"Larry Hammick"  wrote in message
>>>news:S2vbm.38474$PH1.2115@edtnps82...
>>>> http://www.fbi.gov/page2/july09/terrorism_072709.html
>>>
>>>[
>>>Ziyad Yaghi: The 21-year-old U.S. citizen traveled to Jordan in October
>>>2006 to engage in violent jihad.
>>>]
>>>
>>
>> SO we have US citizens training for and planning for terrorism in the
>> USA.... Ironically in cams originally funded and set up by the USA....
>>
>> The USA was warned AT THE TIME THEY DID IT that it would come back to
>> bite them.   Now the question is can the rest of the world treat the USA
>> in the same way the US is treating Pakistan?
>>
>> As I see it it is quite legal according to US logic to send a UAV in and
>> take out the house these terrorists are in and if it blows up the one
>> next door and only 10-20 civilians are killed that is acceptable
>> collateral damage.
>>
>
>Stand by for the next instalment of the American Civil War.
>
>Because, unless the US stands for coexistence and reconciliation between
>people, the US cannot stick together, and as ole Abe remarked (quoting JC) -
>a house divided against itself cannot stand.
>
>Bush's crusade may well become America's undoing.

I think you may well be right.  Note how fast US cities descend in to
violence at the slightest problem. Wholesale unemployment coupled with a
third world social support and medical system will cause mass unrest.

-- 
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills  Staffs  England     /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

"Chris H"  wrote ...

> In message <g3Wim.69633$OO7.50946@text.news.virginmedia.com>, Robin T
> Cox  writes
> >Chris H wrote:
> >
> >> In message <qtJim.39621$Db2.24184@edtnps83>, Larry Hammick
> >>  writes
> >>>"Larry Hammick"  wrote in message
> >>>news:S2vbm.38474$PH1.2115@edtnps82...
> >>>> http://www.fbi.gov/page2/july09/terrorism_072709.html
> >>>
> >>>[
> >>>Ziyad Yaghi: The 21-year-old U.S. citizen traveled to Jordan in October
> >>>2006 to engage in violent jihad.
> >>>]
> >>>
> >>
> >> SO we have US citizens training for and planning for terrorism in the
> >> USA.... Ironically in cams originally funded and set up by the USA....
> >>
> >> The USA was warned AT THE TIME THEY DID IT that it would come back to
> >> bite them.   Now the question is can the rest of the world treat the
USA
> >> in the same way the US is treating Pakistan?
> >>
> >> As I see it it is quite legal according to US logic to send a UAV in
and
> >> take out the house these terrorists are in and if it blows up the one
> >> next door and only 10-20 civilians are killed that is acceptable
> >> collateral damage.
> >>
> >
> >Stand by for the next instalment of the American Civil War.
> >
> >Because, unless the US stands for coexistence and reconciliation between
> >people, the US cannot stick together, and as ole Abe remarked (quoting
JC) -
> >a house divided against itself cannot stand.
> >
> >Bush's crusade may well become America's undoing.
>
> I think you may well be right.  Note how fast US cities descend in to
> violence at the slightest problem. Wholesale unemployment coupled with a
> third world social support and medical system will cause mass unrest.

Seems even Fox News may be a little concerned that, 'the natives are getting
restless', and the flames of dissent certainly seem to be fanned in the
Healthcare debate.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/18/dozen-protesters-guns-outside-oba
ma-speech/

<quote>

PHOENIX -- About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a
military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center
where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday -- the latest
incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the
president.

</quote>

The Happy Hippy wrote:

> 
> "Chris H"  wrote ...
> 
>> In message <g3Wim.69633$OO7.50946@text.news.virginmedia.com>, Robin T
>> Cox  writes
>> >Chris H wrote:
>> >
>> >> In message <qtJim.39621$Db2.24184@edtnps83>, Larry Hammick
>> >>  writes
>> >>>"Larry Hammick"  wrote in message
>> >>>news:S2vbm.38474$PH1.2115@edtnps82...
>> >>>> http://www.fbi.gov/page2/july09/terrorism_072709.html
>> >>>
>> >>>[
>> >>>Ziyad Yaghi: The 21-year-old U.S. citizen traveled to Jordan in
>> >>>October 2006 to engage in violent jihad.
>> >>>]
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> SO we have US citizens training for and planning for terrorism in the
>> >> USA.... Ironically in cams originally funded and set up by the USA....
>> >>
>> >> The USA was warned AT THE TIME THEY DID IT that it would come back to
>> >> bite them.   Now the question is can the rest of the world treat the
> USA
>> >> in the same way the US is treating Pakistan?
>> >>
>> >> As I see it it is quite legal according to US logic to send a UAV in
> and
>> >> take out the house these terrorists are in and if it blows up the one
>> >> next door and only 10-20 civilians are killed that is acceptable
>> >> collateral damage.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Stand by for the next instalment of the American Civil War.
>> >
>> >Because, unless the US stands for coexistence and reconciliation between
>> >people, the US cannot stick together, and as ole Abe remarked (quoting
> JC) -
>> >a house divided against itself cannot stand.
>> >
>> >Bush's crusade may well become America's undoing.
>>
>> I think you may well be right.  Note how fast US cities descend in to
>> violence at the slightest problem. Wholesale unemployment coupled with a
>> third world social support and medical system will cause mass unrest.
> 
> Seems even Fox News may be a little concerned that, 'the natives are
> getting restless', and the flames of dissent certainly seem to be fanned
> in the Healthcare debate.
> 
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/18/dozen-protesters-guns-outside-
oba
> ma-speech/
> 
> <quote>
> 
> PHOENIX -- About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a
> military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention
> center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday -- the
> latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near
> the president.
> 
> </quote>

Better get the T-shirts ready ...


-- 
Facts are sacred ... but comment is free

"Robin T Cox"  wrote ...

> The Happy Hippy wrote:
>
> >
> > "Chris H"  wrote ...
> >
> >> In message <g3Wim.69633$OO7.50946@text.news.virginmedia.com>, Robin T
> >> Cox  writes
> >> >Chris H wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In message <qtJim.39621$Db2.24184@edtnps83>, Larry Hammick
> >> >>  writes
> >> >>>"Larry Hammick"  wrote in message
> >> >>>news:S2vbm.38474$PH1.2115@edtnps82...
> >> >>>> http://www.fbi.gov/page2/july09/terrorism_072709.html
> >> >>>
> >> >>>[
> >> >>>Ziyad Yaghi: The 21-year-old U.S. citizen traveled to Jordan in
> >> >>>October 2006 to engage in violent jihad.
> >> >>>]
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> SO we have US citizens training for and planning for terrorism in
the
> >> >> USA.... Ironically in cams originally funded and set up by the
USA....
> >> >>
> >> >> The USA was warned AT THE TIME THEY DID IT that it would come back
to
> >> >> bite them.   Now the question is can the rest of the world treat the
> > USA
> >> >> in the same way the US is treating Pakistan?
> >> >>
> >> >> As I see it it is quite legal according to US logic to send a UAV in
> > and
> >> >> take out the house these terrorists are in and if it blows up the
one
> >> >> next door and only 10-20 civilians are killed that is acceptable
> >> >> collateral damage.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Stand by for the next instalment of the American Civil War.
> >> >
> >> >Because, unless the US stands for coexistence and reconciliation
between
> >> >people, the US cannot stick together, and as ole Abe remarked (quoting
> > JC) -
> >> >a house divided against itself cannot stand.
> >> >
> >> >Bush's crusade may well become America's undoing.
> >>
> >> I think you may well be right.  Note how fast US cities descend in to
> >> violence at the slightest problem. Wholesale unemployment coupled with
a
> >> third world social support and medical system will cause mass unrest.
> >
> > Seems even Fox News may be a little concerned that, 'the natives are
> > getting restless', and the flames of dissent certainly seem to be fanned
> > in the Healthcare debate.
> >
> >
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/18/dozen-protesters-guns-outside-
> oba
> > ma-speech/
> >
> > <quote>
> >
> > PHOENIX -- About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a
> > military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention
> > center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday -- the
> > latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near
> > the president.
> >
> > </quote>
>
> Better get the T-shirts ready ...

I think you could be right.

Funny how there's not been any outrage from the usual suspects when someone
parades a "Death To Obama, Death To Michelle And Her Two Stupid Kids"
placard, yet they are all over it when a Muslim is accused of threatening
anyone.

Passions seem to be being stoked hard by the rightwing in America; Palin
calling Obama's healthcare plans "downright evil" and suggesting it amounts
to a "death panel" sitting in judgement. Rush Limbaugh says, "The Obama
health care logo is damn close to a Nazi swastika", Investor's Business
Daily even went so far as to claim Prof Steven Hawkings "wouldn't have a
chance in the U.K." under the NHS. It's being paraded as "evil socialism",
anathema to rightwing Republicans.

The great danger is that something - or someone - is going to snap, succumb
to the hyperbole, and I expect it will be pretty nasty if it does.

On 2009-08-20 02:00:52 +0200, "The Happy Hippy" 
 said:

> 
> "Robin T Cox"  wrote ...
> 
>> The Happy Hippy wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> "Chris H"  wrote ...
>>> 
>>>> In message <g3Wim.69633$OO7.50946@text.news.virginmedia.com>, Robin T
>>>> Cox  writes
>>>>> Chris H wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In message <qtJim.39621$Db2.24184@edtnps83>, Larry Hammick
>>>>>>  writes
>>>>>>> "Larry Hammick"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:S2vbm.38474$PH1.2115@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>> http://www.fbi.gov/page2/july09/terrorism_072709.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [
>>>>>>> Ziyad Yaghi: The 21-year-old U.S. citizen traveled to Jordan in
>>>>>>> October 2006 to engage in violent jihad.
>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SO we have US citizens training for and planning for terrorism in
> the
>>>>>> USA.... Ironically in cams originally funded and set up by the
> USA....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The USA was warned AT THE TIME THEY DID IT that it would come back
> to
>>>>>> bite them.   Now the question is can the rest of the world treat the
>>> USA
>>>>>> in the same way the US is treating Pakistan?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As I see it it is quite legal according to US logic to send a UAV in
>>> and
>>>>>> take out the house these terrorists are in and if it blows up the
> one
>>>>>> next door and only 10-20 civilians are killed that is acceptable
>>>>>> collateral damage.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stand by for the next instalment of the American Civil War.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because, unless the US stands for coexistence and reconciliation
> between
>>>>> people, the US cannot stick together, and as ole Abe remarked (quoting
>>> JC) -
>>>>> a house divided against itself cannot stand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bush's crusade may well become America's undoing.
>>>> 
>>>> I think you may well be right.  Note how fast US cities descend in to
>>>> violence at the slightest problem. Wholesale unemployment coupled with
> a
>>>> third world social support and medical system will cause mass unrest.
>>> 
>>> Seems even Fox News may be a little concerned that, 'the natives are
>>> getting restless', and the flames of dissent certainly seem to be fanned
>>> in the Healthcare debate.
>>> 
>>> 
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/18/dozen-protesters-guns-outside-
>> oba
>>> ma-speech/
>>> 
>>> <quote>
>>> 
>>> PHOENIX -- About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a
>>> military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention
>>> center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday -- the
>>> latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near
>>> the president.
>>> 
>>> </quote>
>> 
>> Better get the T-shirts ready ...
> 
> I think you could be right.
> 
> Funny how there's not been any outrage from the usual suspects when someone
> parades a "Death To Obama, Death To Michelle And Her Two Stupid Kids"
> placard, yet they are all over it when a Muslim is accused of threatening
> anyone.
> 
> Passions seem to be being stoked hard by the rightwing in America; Palin
> calling Obama's healthcare plans "downright evil" and suggesting it amounts
> to a "death panel" sitting in judgement. Rush Limbaugh says, "The Obama
> health care logo is damn close to a Nazi swastika", Investor's Business
> Daily even went so far as to claim Prof Steven Hawkings "wouldn't have a
> chance in the U.K." under the NHS. It's being paraded as "evil socialism",
> anathema to rightwing Republicans.
> 
> The great danger is that something - or someone - is going to snap, succumb
> to the hyperbole, and I expect it will be pretty nasty if it does.


"Someone"? It will be Mossad.