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date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:12:26 GMT,    group: uk.current-events.terrorism        back       
Olmert: Israel should pull out of West Bank   
"The time has come to say these things" Olmert


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/world/middleeast/30olmert.html?_r=1
&hp&oref=slogin


JERUSALEM — Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in an interview published on 
Monday that Israel must withdraw from nearly all the West Bank as well as 
East Jerusalem to attain peace with the Palestinians and that any 
occupied land it held onto would have to be exchanged for the same 
quantity of Israeli territory.

He also dismissed as “megalomania” any thought that Israel would or 
should attack Iran on its own to stop it from developing nuclear weapons, 
saying the international community and not Israel alone was charged with 
handling the issue.


In an unusually frank and soul-searching interview granted after he 
resigned to fight corruption charges — he remains interim prime minister 
until a new government is sworn in — Mr. Olmert discarded longstanding 
Israeli defense doctrine and called for radical new thinking in words 
that are sure to stir controversy as his expected successor, Foreign 
Minister Tzipi Livni, tries to build a coalition.

“What I am saying to you now has not been said by any Israeli leader 
before me,” Mr. Olmert told Yediot Aharonot newspaper in the interview to 
mark the Jewish new year that runs from Monday night till Wednesday 
night. “The time has come to say these things.”

He said traditional Israeli defense strategists had learned nothing from 
past experiences and seemed stuck in the considerations of the 1948 
Independence War.

“With them, it is all about tanks and land and controlling territories 
and controlled territories and this hilltop and that hilltop,” he said. 
“All these things are worthless.”

He added, “Who thinks seriously that if we sit on another hilltop, on 
another hundred meters, that this is what will make the difference for 
the State of Israel’s basic security?”

Over the last year, Mr. Olmert has publicly castigated himself for his 
earlier right-wing views and he did so again in this interview. On 
Jerusalem, for example, he said, “I am the first who wanted to enforce 
Israeli sovereignty on the entire city. I admit it. I am not trying to 
justify retroactively what I did for 35 years. For a large portion of 
these years, I was unwilling to look at reality in all its depth.”

He said that maintaining sovereignty over an undivided Jerusalem, 
Israel’s official policy, would involve bringing 270,000 Palestinians 
inside Israel’s security barrier. It would mean an ongoing risk of 
terrorist attacks against civilians like those carried out earlier this 
year by Jerusalem Palestinian residents with a bulldozer and earth mover.

“A decision has to be made,” he said. “This decision is difficult, 
terrible, a decision that contradicts our natural instincts, our 
innermost desires, our collective memories, the prayers of the Jewish 
people for 2,000 years.”

The government’s public stand on Jerusalem until now has been to assert 
that the status of the city was not under discussion. But Mr. Olmert made 
clear that the eastern, predominantly Arab, sector had to be yielded 
“with special solutions” for the holy sites.

On peace with the Palestinians, Mr. Olmert said in the interview: “We 
face the need to decide but are not willing to tell ourselves, yes, this 
is what we have to do. We have to reach an agreement with the 
Palestinians, the meaning of which is that in practice we will withdraw 
from almost all the territories, if not all the territories. We will 
leave a percentage of these territories in our hands, but will have to 
give the Palestinians a similar percentage, because without that there 
will be no peace.”

Elsewhere in the interview, when discussing a land swap with the 
Palestinians, he said the exchange would have to be “more or less one to 
one.”

Mr. Olmert also addressed the question of Syria, saying that Israel had 
to be prepared to give up the Golan Heights but that in turn Damascus 
knew it had to change the nature of its relationship with Iran and its 
support for Hezbollah, the Lebanese militia.

On Iran, Mr. Olmert said Israel would act within the international 
system, adding, “Part of our megalomania and our loss of proportions is 
the things that are said here about Iran. We are a country that has lost 
a sense of proportion about itself.”

Reaction from the Israeli right was swift. Avigdor Lieberman, who heads 
the Yisrael Beiteinu party, said on the radio that Mr. Olmert was 
“endangering the existence of the State of Israel irresponsibly.”

He added that those who thought Israel’s problem was a lack of defined 
borders — as Mr. Olmert stated in the interview — “are ignoramuses who 
don’t understand anything and they invite war.”

As they reacted to Mr. Olmert’s remarks, Palestinian negotiators said it 
was satisfying to hear Mr. Olmert’s words but they said the words did not 
match what he had offered them so far. Yasser Abed Rabbo, a senior 
Palestinian official, told Palestinian Radio that it would have been 
better if Mr. Olmert had taken this position while in office rather than 
while leaving it and that Mr. Olmert had not yet presented a detailed 
plan for a border between Israel and a Palestinian state.

In theory, Mr. Olmert will continue peace negotiations while awaiting the 
new government. But most analysts believe that, having been forced to 
resign his post, he will not be able to close a deal.
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date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:12:26 GMT   author:   basho007

Re: Olmert: Israel should pull out of West Bank   
"basho007"  wrote ...

> "The time has come to say these things" Olmert

That time has long passed. What a shame he didn't speak out and louder
earlier.
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:16:29 GMT   author:   The Happy Hippy

Re: Olmert: Israel should pull out of West Bank   
"The Happy Hippy"  wrote in 
news:N38Ek.64302$E41.29384@text.news.virginmedia.com:

> 
> "basho007"  wrote ...
> 
>> "The time has come to say these things" Olmert
> 
> That time has long passed. What a shame he didn't speak out and louder
> earlier.
> 
> 
> 


I agree with that sentiment.   


I am still following Chris comment from a few years ago to stay alert about 
how the US relieves itself of its Israel committments.  


Israel might be given two choices:

1. pull out as Olmert describes

2. annex the West Bank and Gaza to form one state - with equal rights for 
all.  


either - or.
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:29:45 GMT   author:   basho007

Re: Olmert: Israel should pull out of West Bank   
On 29 Sep, 18:16, "The Happy Hippy"
 wrote:
> "basho007"  wrote ...
>
> > "The time has come to say these things" Olmert
>
> That time has long passed. What a shame he didn't speak out and louder
> earlier.


The Arab squatters should leave Judea
and Samaria.
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:53:41 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Ariadne

Re: Olmert: Israel should pull out of West Bank   
"The Happy Hippy"  wrote in message 
news:N38Ek.64302$E41.29384@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> "basho007"  wrote ...
>
>> "The time has come to say these things" Olmert
>
> That time has long passed. What a shame he didn't speak out and louder
> earlier.

But how long would his coalition have lasted if he had?
date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:56:34 +1000   author:   vilemerchant spam@spam

Re: Olmert: Israel should pull out of West Bank   
"vilemerchant" <spam@spam> wrote ...

> "The Happy Hippy"  wrote in message
> news:N38Ek.64302$E41.29384@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> >
> > "basho007"  wrote ...
> >
> >> "The time has come to say these things" Olmert
> >
> > That time has long passed. What a shame he didn't speak out and louder
> > earlier.
>
> But how long would his coalition have lasted if he had?

Maybe a nanosecond or two. Says it all about what's wrong in Israel really.
date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:11:30 GMT   author:   The Happy Hippy

Re: Olmert: Israel should pull out of West Bank   
"basho007"
>
> "The time has come to say these things" Olmert
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/world/middleeast/30olmert.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
>
>
> JERUSALEM - Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in an interview published on
> Monday that Israel must withdraw from nearly all the West Bank as well as
> East Jerusalem to attain peace with the Palestinians and that any
> occupied land it held onto would have to be exchanged for the same
> quantity of Israeli territory.

Just some brief notes of my own ...

Personally I have never "recognized" any of the so-called settlements in the 
West Bank or (formerly) the Gaza Strip.

The real reason why all the neighbouring Arab countries want to see a 
Palestinian state, is that they want some place into which to dump their 
pseudo-Palestinian pseudo-refugees. I don't blame them.

If the Israel military simply evacuates the West Bank overnight, Muslim 
terrorists and aggressors of all shapes and sizes will immediately pour in 
from all directions. It was different is Gaza, where Egypt and Israel now 
collaborate in caging the Palestinians in, and keeping Iran-backed and 
Arabian-backed terrorists out. Everybody knows that Palestinian self-rule is 
a sick joke. Look at Gaza today. So an international policing force would be 
needed in the West Bank, like the one that has been in Lebanon south of the 
Litani River since Hizbullah's "victory" in 2006.

But ultimately the problem with the Pallies is the Pallies: Their whole 
mentality and society are those of professional victims, wallowing in 
self-pity, contributing nothing but hate and random violence to every place 
they go.
date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:10:15 GMT   author:   Larry Hammick

Re: Olmert: Israel should pull out of West Bank   
"Larry Hammick"  wrote in message 
news:rxcFk.374$DK3.152@edtnps82...
> "basho007"
>>
>> "The time has come to say these things" Olmert
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/world/middleeast/30olmert.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
>>
>>
>> JERUSALEM - Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in an interview published on
>> Monday that Israel must withdraw from nearly all the West Bank as well as
>> East Jerusalem to attain peace with the Palestinians and that any
>> occupied land it held onto would have to be exchanged for the same
>> quantity of Israeli territory.
>
> Just some brief notes of my own ...
>
> Personally I have never "recognized" any of the so-called settlements in 
> the West Bank or (formerly) the Gaza Strip.
>
> The real reason why all the neighbouring Arab countries want to see a 
> Palestinian state, is that they want some place into which to dump their 
> pseudo-Palestinian pseudo-refugees. I don't blame them.
>
> If the Israel military simply evacuates the West Bank overnight, Muslim 
> terrorists and aggressors of all shapes and sizes will immediately pour in 
> from all directions. It was different is Gaza, where Egypt and Israel now 
> collaborate in caging the Palestinians in, and keeping Iran-backed and 
> Arabian-backed terrorists out. Everybody knows that Palestinian self-rule 
> is a sick joke. Look at Gaza today. So an international policing force 
> would be needed in the West Bank, like the one that has been in Lebanon 
> south of the Litani River since Hizbullah's "victory" in 2006.
>
> But ultimately the problem with the Pallies is the Pallies: Their whole 
> mentality and society are those of professional victims, wallowing in 
> self-pity, contributing nothing but hate and random violence to every 
> place they go.

"Professional victims" ? Now who does that remind me of?



>
>
date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:26:34 +0200   author:   Bill Again

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