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date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:49:48 GMT,    group: uk.current-events.terrorism        back       
World Power on the Move   
http://www.island.lk/2008/09/24/features7.html

<quotes>

For the first time since the days of Simon Bolivar more than 175 years ago,
South American unity is beginning to take shape and a real possibility
exists to integrate the continent politically, socially and commercially.

The numerous attempts by Washington to break up the fledgling Latin American
unity, to destabilise Bolivia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Ecuador or to
isolate Cuba, have failed.

Trade and investment ties, cultural exchanges and political relations are
multiplying between the Latin American partners Brazil, Chile, Argentina,
Peru, Uruguay, Ecuador, Cuba, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Venezuela,
Mexico, Panama, and Paraguay, among others, and Asian counterparts, China,
India, Pakistan, Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Japan, Vietnam,
Myanmar, Thailand, Laos,. North Korea, South Korea, and Taiwan.

Brazil, which had in the past turned its back to Latin America and
prioritised traditional ties with North America and Europe, has under
President Lula focused its attention to building relations within its own
region and with Africa and Asia.

</quotes>

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h00G3nAMRqWyj3pZ2h_JrNCfKDzg

<quotes>

BEIJING (AFP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez arrived in China on Tuesday
to hold talks with his counterpart Hu Jintao and sign a deal for combat
aircraft in a visit likely to irk the United States.

China was eager to improve relations with Venezuela, Jiang said, while
dismissing US concerns that Chavez was seeking to use his growing military
and energy ties with Beijing to annoy the United States.

"China-Venezuela relations are normal state-to-state relations, (they) are
not based on ideology, are not targeted against any third party and will not
affect other countries' relations with Venezuela," Jiang said.

"Some of you have asked about the US relations with Venezuela. We maintain
that different countries should treat other countries equally and improve
their relations, which will be good for all of Latin America."

"Before we had to go to Washington to beg for money. Not now. Now we
negotiate with the Chinese," said Chavez.

</quotes>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24388649-36235,00.html

<quotes>

MOSCOW: A fleet of Russian warships led by a massive missile cruiser set
sail from their Arctic base yesterday headed for Venezuela to take part in
naval exercises that have not taken place so close to US waters since the
Cold War.

The deployment follows the arrival of two Russian Tu-160 nuclear bombers in
Venezuela this month, also for exercises, an event that Venezuelan President
Hugo Chavez called a warning to the US "empire".

"It's a warning. Russia is with us ... we are strategic allies. It is a
message to the empire -- Venezuela is no longer poor and alone," Mr Chavez
said during a public event this month after the Russian bombers landed.

</quotes>

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gasP927cxnt2vKELHk4Jcc00mySAD939U3KG0

<quotes>

LA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) - President Evo Morales says he regrets not deepening
Bolivia's ties to Russia years ago.

A week after kicking out the U.S. ambassador, Morales says his
administration "lost two and a half years in not strengthening relations
with Russia" and will now "use its time wisely" to build better ties.

Bolivia plans to seek seek Russian aid in energy, agriculture, and defense,
Morales says.

</quotes>

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h9FAveRrKKiZivWtMlQs4zp0kN3gD93A091G1

<quotes>

TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (AP) - President Manuel Zelaya said U.S. apathy toward
deepening poverty in Honduras forced the longtime Washington ally to turn
for help to Venezuela's leftist leader, Hugo Chavez.

Zelaya said rising food prices began hitting Hondurans hard six months ago
and he asked the local business sector, the United States and the World Bank
for help.

But he said his pleas fell on deaf ears and so he "sought out Chavez."

"Allies, friends, did not help me when I asked for help," Zelaya said in a
news release Friday.

</quotes>
date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:49:48 GMT   author:   The Happy Hippy

Re: World Power on the Move   
The Happy Hippy wrote:

> TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (AP) - President Manuel Zelaya said U.S. apathy toward
> deepening poverty in Honduras forced the longtime Washington ally to turn
> for help to Venezuela's leftist leader, Hugo Chavez.
> 
> Zelaya said rising food prices began hitting Hondurans hard six months ago
> and he asked the local business sector, the United States and the World Bank
> for help.
> 
> But he said his pleas fell on deaf ears and so he "sought out Chavez."
> 
> "Allies, friends, did not help me when I asked for help," Zelaya said in a
> news release Friday.

Typical brazen 3rd world beggar - "Help me, or else".
In this case, "or else" what ?
So he turned to a leftist banana farmer for "help" ... Well good luck 
Manuel Zelaya, let us know how that venture turns out.
date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:59:05 GMT   author:   Jesse

Re: World Power on the Move   
The Happy Hippy wrote:
> http://www.island.lk/2008/09/24/features7.html

> TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (AP) - President Manuel Zelaya said U.S. apathy toward
> deepening poverty in Honduras forced the longtime Washington ally to turn
> for help to Venezuela's leftist leader, Hugo Chavez.
> 
> Zelaya said rising food prices began hitting Hondurans hard six months ago
> and he asked the local business sector, the United States and the World Bank
> for help.
> 
> But he said his pleas fell on deaf ears and so he "sought out Chavez."
> 
> "Allies, friends, did not help me when I asked for help," Zelaya said in a
> news release Friday.

Begging for food lol, can't afford to feed the people, and this is your 
example of the emerging mighty latin power bloc ?
"World Power on the Move" oh, the corny 3rd grade theatrics !

I know how tempting it is to blame USA for their poor history blah blah 
blah ... Fact remains that they were, are, and always will be primitive, 
tribal jungle dwellers, and what prosperity they ever had, have or will 
have is directly tied to the USA - As it was directly tied to imperial 
European powers before us.
date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:39:23 GMT   author:   Jesse

Re: World Power on the Move   
"Jesse"  wrote ...

> Begging for food lol, can't afford to feed the people, and this is your
> example of the emerging mighty latin power bloc ?

It may be hard to believe, but the city of Los Angeles- in all it's
prosperity and abundance- is the hunger capital of the United States. ...
That includes the 580,000 people- mainly children and the elderly- who
cannot afford to eat, and therefore go hungry. It's sad to think that this
still goes on today in our prosperous nation, but it's true, and the
implications of this problem go far beyond the hunger pains of a
malnourished child

http://www.fit4free.org/hunger.htm

Each year, the U.S. Census Bureau counts the number of "poor" persons in the
U.S. In 2005, the Bureau found 37 million "poor" Americans. Presidential
candidate John Edwards claims that these 37 million Americans currently
"struggle with incredible poverty." Edwards asserts that America's poor, who
number "one in eight of us.do not have enough money for the food, shelter,
and clothing they need,"

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm

Between 8% and 16% (2.5 to 4.9 million) of the elder population have
experienced food insecurity within a 6-month period. Federal programs to
combat food insecurity reach only one-third of needy elders. While hunger
and poverty are linked directly to malnutrition, the multifaceted nature of
elderly malnutrition cuts across all economic, racial, and ethnic groups.

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S000282239700744X
date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:35:35 GMT   author:   The Happy Hippy

Re: World Power on the Move   
The Happy Hippy wrote:
> "Jesse"  wrote ...
> 
>> Begging for food lol, can't afford to feed the people, and this is your
>> example of the emerging mighty latin power bloc ?
> 
> It may be hard to believe, but the city of Los Angeles- in all it's
> prosperity and abundance- is the hunger capital of the United States. ...
> That includes the 580,000 people- mainly children and the elderly- who
> cannot afford to eat, and therefore go hungry. It's sad to think that this
> still goes on today in our prosperous nation, but it's true, and the
> implications of this problem go far beyond the hunger pains of a
> malnourished child

Consequences of 3rd world immigration flood.
Without "latinos" the figure of 580,000 would be reduced to 5,800.
Without lantrinos & blacks, 58.

Any other stupid points you'd like to make ?
date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:06:51 GMT   author:   Jesse

Re: World Power on the Move   
"Jesse"  wrote ...

> The Happy Hippy wrote:
> > "Jesse"  wrote ...
> >
> >> Begging for food lol, can't afford to feed the people, and this is your
> >> example of the emerging mighty latin power bloc ?
> >
> > It may be hard to believe, but the city of Los Angeles- in all it's
> > prosperity and abundance- is the hunger capital of the United States.
...
> > That includes the 580,000 people- mainly children and the elderly- who
> > cannot afford to eat, and therefore go hungry. It's sad to think that
this
> > still goes on today in our prosperous nation, but it's true, and the
> > implications of this problem go far beyond the hunger pains of a
> > malnourished child
>
> Consequences of 3rd world immigration flood.
> Without "latinos" the figure of 580,000 would be reduced to 5,800.
> Without lantrinos & blacks, 58.

And your evidence for this is ... ? Just because you believe it doesn't make
it fact.

"The poverty rate for non-Latino whites grew faster than for any other major
ethnic group."

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/aug/31/nation/na-income31
date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:47:49 GMT   author:   The Happy Hippy

Re: World Power on the Move   
On Sep 25, 4:06 am, Jesse  wrote:
> The Happy Hippy wrote:
> > "Jesse"  wrote ...
>
> >> Begging for food lol, can't afford to feed the people, and this is your
> >> example of the emerging mighty latin power bloc ?
>
> > It may be hard to believe, but the city of Los Angeles- in all it's
> > prosperity and abundance- is the hunger capital of the United States. .> > That includes the 580,000 people- mainly children and the elderly- who
> > cannot afford to eat, and therefore go hungry. It's sad to think that this
> > still goes on today in our prosperous nation, but it's true, and the
> > implications of this problem go far beyond the hunger pains of a
> > malnourished child
>
> Consequences of 3rd world immigration flood.
> Without "latinos" the figure of 580,000 would be reduced to 5,800.
> Without lantrinos & blacks, 58.
>
> Any other stupid points you'd like to make ?

Jesse has a plan!:

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=9069201&nav=EyAz

Lawmaker mulls old Duke idea: Paid sterilization
NEW ORLEANS -- A suburban New Orleans legislator has proposed
revisiting an idea from former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke: paying
poor women to undergo sterilization as a way to shrink welfare rolls
and government costs.

Rep. John LaBruzzo's suggestion prompted outrage Wednesday from
several of his fellow lawmakers and advocacy groups. The Louisiana
chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union called the idea mean-
spirited and said it would discriminate against black Louisianians.
LaBruzzo, R-Metairie, said the idea would involve the state giving
$1,000 to women who rely on government support like welfare and food
stamps if they agree to have their fallopian tubes tied. He said it
was too early to say whether he would introduce such a bill during the
2009 legislative session, but he said he was researching it.
"If we continue to have more people using government to support them
as opposed to those who are supporting government with their taxes,
government will collapse as we know it and will cease to exist,"
LaBruzzo said in a phone interview.
The idea _ first reported this week in an article in a local New
Orleans business publication _ lit up talk radio lines and prompted
fiery debate on blogs around the country. The former chairman of the
Louisiana Legislative Black Caucus said the idea was discriminatory.
"LaBruzzo's an idiot," said Rep. Juan LaFonta, D-New Orleans, whose
tenure as black caucus chairman ended this summer. "I think it's
totally disrespectful to poor people in this country."
The proposal appeared unlikely to garner the support needed for
passage in the Louisiana Legislature.
Gov. Bobby Jindal's office, when asked to comment on the idea,
responded with a statement from Chief of Staff Timmy Teepell. "It's a
non-starter," Teepell said.
House Speaker Jim Tucker, R-Terrytown, also said he didn't believe the
proposal would gain traction. "I doubt it, but he's free to put in a
bill and see where it goes," Tucker said.
The voluntary sterilization idea isn't new in Louisiana. Duke, who
held LaBruzzo's state House seat from 1989 to 1992, first raised the
idea.
Opponents of such plans have long called the proposal racist, a
suggestion LaBruzzo vehemently denied Wednesday. He said more whites
than blacks receive welfare checks in the state.
"Anybody who says this is racist is an idiot and doesn't have a grasp
of the facts. The people who say that are racist because they see
everything as black and white. They are racist because they assume
everyone on welfare is black," LaBruzzo said.
Marjorie Esman, the executive director of the ACLU of Louisiana,
didn't call LaBruzzo's proposal racist, but she said it would have
racial implications because blacks are disproportionately poorer in
the country.
She said the idea was a misguided attempt to eliminate poverty by
eliminating the poor. Esman said LaBruzzo should suggest instead
proposals that would provide economic and educational opportunities to
the poor so they can improve their circumstances.
"We would not want those people to feel like they have a quick cash
incentive to give up their rights to have children. You have people
being pressured to take money when they're in desperate
circumstances," Esman said.
LaBruzzo tossed such criticism aside.
"They're not responsible enough to make this decision, but they're
responsible enough to raise eight kids and make them productive
members of society?" he said.
LaBruzzo said a state incentive for voluntary sterilization was one of
several ideas he was studying as he looked at ways to break "the
generational welfare cycle." He said he's received more phone calls
from people supporting the proposal than criticizing it.
Louisiana welfare data indicate that LaBruzzo's claims about rising
welfare costs are unfounded: The number of people collecting welfare
has dropped every year for almost two decades.
In the 2006-07 fiscal year, more than 13,000 recipients got welfare
checks in Louisiana, for a cost of $16.5 million, according to data
from the Louisiana Department of Social Services. That's down from
279,000 recipients in 1990-91, costing $187.9 million.
Food stamp usage has remained more steady. In the 1990-91 year, food
stamps were given to nearly 737,000 recipients, at a cost of $585
million. By the 2006-07 year, the number of recipients had dropped to
nearly 616,000, but the cost had grown to $742 million.
LaFonta said LaBruzzo's "been known as the dumbest legislator in the
House of Representatives." He compared the sterilization proposal to
"a page out of a book of communism" and to Hitler's exterminations of
the Jews and other groups considered undesirable.
The idea also recalls the legacy of eugenics in the United States. In
the first half of the 20th century, more than two dozen states passed
laws allowing the involuntary sterilization of those deemed unfit for
reproduction, including convicts and those with what were considered
mental or physical defects.
LaFonta said just the mention of voluntary sterilization of poor women
hurts Louisiana nationally as it seeks federal aid from Gustav and Ike
_ and continuing assistance to rebuild the New Orleans area after
Hurricane Katrina.
"This is going to hammer us on our national perspective," LaFonta
said.
date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:28:31 -0700 (PDT)   author:   chatnoir

Re: World Power on the Move   
On Sep 25, 4:06 am, Jesse  wrote:
> The Happy Hippy wrote:
> > "Jesse"  wrote ...
>
> >> Begging for food lol, can't afford to feed the people, and this is your
> >> example of the emerging mighty latin power bloc ?
>
> > It may be hard to believe, but the city of Los Angeles- in all it's
> > prosperity and abundance- is the hunger capital of the United States. .> > That includes the 580,000 people- mainly children and the elderly- who
> > cannot afford to eat, and therefore go hungry. It's sad to think that this
> > still goes on today in our prosperous nation, but it's true, and the
> > implications of this problem go far beyond the hunger pains of a
> > malnourished child
>
> Consequences of 3rd world immigration flood.
> Without "latinos" the figure of 580,000 would be reduced to 5,800.
> Without lantrinos & blacks, 58.
>
> Any other stupid points you'd like to make ?

Jesse is a his "nice" meeting!:

http://www.morethings.com/fan/blazing_saddles/cleavon-little-klan-outfit.jpg


When suddenly!:

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/e/3/c/e3ce012aad0c873ec07597c9a01e4982.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g116/KRAZ_photos/SheriffBart.jpg
date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:59:08 -0700 (PDT)   author:   chatnoir

Re: World Power on the Move   
"chatnoir"  wrote ...

On Sep 25, 4:06 am, Jesse  wrote:
> The Happy Hippy wrote:
> > "Jesse"  wrote ...
>
> >> Begging for food lol, can't afford to feed the people, and this is your
> >> example of the emerging mighty latin power bloc ?
>
> > It may be hard to believe, but the city of Los Angeles- in all it's
> > prosperity and abundance- is the hunger capital of the United States.
...
> > That includes the 580,000 people- mainly children and the elderly- who
> > cannot afford to eat, and therefore go hungry. It's sad to think that
this
> > still goes on today in our prosperous nation, but it's true, and the
> > implications of this problem go far beyond the hunger pains of a
> > malnourished child
>
> Consequences of 3rd world immigration flood.
> Without "latinos" the figure of 580,000 would be reduced to 5,800.
> Without lantrinos & blacks, 58.
>
> Any other stupid points you'd like to make ?

Jesse has a plan!:

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=9069201&nav=EyAz

Lawmaker mulls old Duke idea: Paid sterilization
NEW ORLEANS -- A suburban New Orleans legislator has proposed
revisiting an idea from former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke: paying
poor women to undergo sterilization as a way to shrink welfare rolls
and government costs.

=====

I suppose it's better than the involuntary sterilisation forced upon the
Americn people in the past ( Virginia continued the practice until as late
as 1979 and it was only in 2002 they apologised for doing so ) but not by
much.

It amuses me to hear people talk of America as the land of the free and
democratic as if it has always been so when the US delivered so much abuse
in modern times, it treated blacks and Jews as second class citizens as late
as the 1970's, and there are those who still do. It's not even particulary
free nor democratic now.

Britain has plenty of cause to hang its head in shame over its history, but
not as much as America has. How America has any right to lecture the world
on their rights and duties when less than 60 years ago it enforced
segregation is beyond me.
date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:32:02 GMT   author:   The Happy Hippy

Re: World Power on the Move   
The Happy Hippy wrote:
> "Jesse"  wrote ...
> 
>> The Happy Hippy wrote:
>>> "Jesse"  wrote ...
>>>
>>>> Begging for food lol, can't afford to feed the people, and this is your
>>>> example of the emerging mighty latin power bloc ?
>>> It may be hard to believe, but the city of Los Angeles- in all it's
>>> prosperity and abundance- is the hunger capital of the United States.
> ...
>>> That includes the 580,000 people- mainly children and the elderly- who
>>> cannot afford to eat, and therefore go hungry. It's sad to think that
> this
>>> still goes on today in our prosperous nation, but it's true, and the
>>> implications of this problem go far beyond the hunger pains of a
>>> malnourished child
>> Consequences of 3rd world immigration flood.
>> Without "latinos" the figure of 580,000 would be reduced to 5,800.
>> Without lantrinos & blacks, 58.
> 
> And your evidence for this is ... ? Just because you believe it doesn't make
> it fact.
> 
> "The poverty rate for non-Latino whites grew faster than for any other major
> ethnic group."
> 
> http://articles.latimes.com/2005/aug/31/nation/na-income31

Way to go, dredging out a 3 year old article of highly debatable stats 
to prop up your straw man arguments.
Anyways, USA does not classify race anymore, latinos and muslims, as 
brown as a common turd, are now classified as whites, which is why crime 
stats mean nothing now either.
Even a black can now classify itself as white if they feel like it, all 
reasoning has truly turned upside down.
date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:27:09 GMT   author:   Jesse

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